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rvp2018:
Rated by who...your basic education that affect 90 percent of kids...and you're talking about few universities you got..where only 5 percent of students. Your middle class trap is firmly and deeply routed in your poor education.That I can predict with lots of confidence that Kenya will eventually catch up and beat South Africa unless our education as whole fails.

UNDP's Human Development Report, now stop crying.... Only Seychelles and Mauritius ranked higher than SA in Africa and only by 1 spot

rvp2018:
The boarding schools and its unrest are directly linked to high education expectations on poor kids - some of who are mentally stunted anyway.

Canning is now banned - after many serious assault cases - but during our time - the whipping kids endured.

https://workingwiththegrain.com/2018/02/28/better-education-kenyas-history-lesson-for-south-africa/

In the 2007 standardized tests for sixth graders conducted by the Southern (and East?) African Consortium for Monitoring Educational Quality (SACMEQ), Kenya’s average score was 557 points – well above South Africa’s average of 495 points, and only marginally below the Western Cape (the top performing province) score of 560 points; at the poorer 25th percentile, Kenya (with a score of 509 points) outperformed the Western Cape (496 points). These results were achieved notwithstanding higher levels of poverty, average per pupil expenditures which were one fifth of South Africa’s, a cadre of teachers who were no better trained, and (when compared with the Western Cape) a relatively messy bureaucracy.

Once the socio-economic influences on educational outcomes are taken into account, Kenya’s 2007 (and earlier) outperformance is even more remarkable. South Africa is among the countries below and to the right of the 45 degree line in the figure, which underperformed in SACMEQ relative to their socio-economic characteristics. Countries above and to the left of the line are over-achievers; Kenya stands out in the figure as far and away the most over-achieving of the countries participating in the 2007 SACMEQ assessments.

What seems to have made the key difference in Kenya are the ‘softer’ dimensions of governance. Dr. Ben Piper, a seasoned educational specialist, and long-term resident in Nairobi, put it this way:

“What one sees in rural Kenya is an expectation for kids to learn and be able to have basic skills….Exam results are far more readily available in Kenya than other countries in the region. The ‘mean scores’ for the Kenya Certificate of Primary Education (KCPE) and equivalent KCSE at secondary school are posted in every school and over time so that trends can be seen. Head teachers are held accountable for those results to the extent of being paraded around the community if they did well, or literally banned from school and kicked out of the community if they did badly.”

The role of the highly-visible KCPE test is striking, but is not the focus of this piece. Rather, my interest here is on the active engagement of communities.

all this rambling and yet our education system is rated much higher than that of kenya

rvp2018:
Our blacks are experiencing fast growth that is empowering and dignified.Their growing the economy from agriculture that you deride as dirty job or beyond african.In a decade once South Africans discovers Kenya economic miracle they will kick the boer out.We are building modern economy on the back of smallholder farmers,motorcycles,mobile money and information technology.

They still earn less than half than their SAn counter parts, they are more than twice as likely to live in poverty.... How is this dignified?

rvp2018:
So story has changed to everyone is equal. There many modern form of slavery. https://pmg.org.za/committee-meeting/34671/

the world can always be more fair I agree, however there is no slavery in SA, by your definition there should then be more slavery in Kenya since you earn half of what black SAns earn and Kenya's minimum wage is half that of SA.

rvp2018:
Lame excuse...South Africa was ahead in many things and we heard Africans can't farm..Kenya smallholders farming is working..so is Ghana and ivory Coast.But seeing how the slumdog enjoy the Boer slavery and seeing how he is killing Africa immigrants...I think we leave them to their folly. The reality in those farms..its blacks who do the donkey work like US & LATAM slave plantations.Then slumdog turn around to claim...he can't farm..yet he is the farm hand. You have one Boer owning thousands of acres with village of modern willing African farm slaves...who apparently can't farm.

-nobody said Africans can't farms.

- we are one of the most free countries in the Africa, if you don't won't to work for someone then you don't have to simple, there isn't any slavery in SA

chrisooblog:
What do you think could be responsible for why SA don't produce as many quality footballers as they did in the 1990s?

Also what's up with the Proteas? Watched them get a serious shellacking from the Aussies down under.

As for football we've been fvcked by the incompetence wrt the running of SAFA

Cricket we just in a rebuilding fase, everyone is quick to blame politics and incompetence of CSA for our poor performances but the reality is we just don't have the quality of players we used to, we have a couple of good youngsters coming through and our bowling attack is still the best in the world imo.... Also I've played against a lot of the current Proteas (Markram, Pretorius, Van der Dussen, Malan, Ngidi, Olivier ect ect) at club level, our talent now just ain't that good currently but we will be at the top again in 4-5 year's

AfriqueDuZuid:
It has indeed also boxing


Each tribe has its strong points

seconded

rvp2018:
Small holders can become commercial..see Kenya..we already beat boer in milk production..we evertook them in avocado's..name any fruits and vegies.. name it..Kenya tea is on the back of smallholder farming..the smallholder organised into cooperative can beat large farms.The southern Africa negros needs to realise it can be done ...the idea that only white commercial can farm is silly..boer has land in entire white world..USA,Australia, Brazil are rolling carpets for them...a black south Africa only land is their ancestors land..they cannot be allowed to farm in rural Georgia without getting shot by white racist boys

- South Africa doesn't have an environment which is conducive for dairy cattle, we have a lot of diseases and low waterfall and cattle need to be resistant to that, unfortunately dairy cattle are soft hence why SA has never been a large dairy producing country. Avocado's need a lot of water... Thus again only a few farmers grow them... Kenya in general is wetter than SA so no surprise you are growing more avocado's.

- Some black South Africans have formed partnerships and are doing very well for themselves

- I never said Boere are the only ones that can farm Commercially.... What I said was a great number more Boere want to be commercial farmers than Black South Africans... My grandfather had a commercial dairy farm, its a sh1t job, so much so that not one of his sons decided to carry on with it and he sold his farm.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Xhosas seems to be doing very well in rugby ie Mampimpi, Xolisi, lukhanyo Am etc

definitely!!! Rugby and Cricket seem to be over taking soccer in Xhosa communities.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Just like its ancestors in France and Netherlands

Infact boere translates to farmer, evident to good farming practices

exactly besides being a commercial farmer is a very very sh1t job....much different to just being a subsistence farmer which has a lot less stress.

rvp2018:
Slumdog with strawman arguments to deflect the elephant in the room.
I actually had to search few pages just to be sure I did not make such a boneheaded statement.
I always know it's 70%.

You need that agriculture farm to save yourself from that slum.
70% for people who are 10% of the population is a problem.

I support Malema and EFF on land issue.

Boere are good commercial farmers, just like they are good at Rugby, it's not surprising that the majority of commercial farmers are Boer.... I mean its in the name... Boer means farmer

And during the first land redistribution process only 8% of applicants actually chose land above compensation.... So this again proves that SAns don't want land

rvp2018:
First Google results -70% despite being 10%.

The growing fight in South Africa over land and identityhttps://abcnews.go.com › International › story
10 Apr 2019 — Whites in South Africa own over 70% of the farm and agricultural holdings in the country despite people of color making up 90% of the population

I'm talking about total land my friend....67% of South Africas population is urban

rvp2018:
Motorcycle debate - they cannot understand the nexus btw land and their immediate problems. If land is non issue - why is Boer sitting on it.Ideally because most boers can get formal jobs - you should leave land to unskilled africans to forage, hunt, gather and farm it. It requires no skills..you're very skilled and can hack urban living.

How much total land do whites own? Give me a figure then we see if Boere really are sitting on all the land

rvp2018:
You think DA/ASA will have numbers to form gov? That would take ANC capitulation. Most likely scenario ANC will lose that 5% of moderate to DA/ASA but will remain with hardliners who will go to bed with Malema...driving South Africa to a ditch.

After Ramaphosa the ANC is practically finished, the ANC are polling around 40% now,of that 40% 35% said they will not vote ANC if Ramaphosa is not the President, the ANC will be a non factor by 2029.

Also ASA is not just taking the moderate vote its also climbing into a lot of EFF vote,who's voters have become disillusioned with the party because of its open border policy, ActionSA took nearly 3% of the national vote during the previous yet only contesting 6 municipalities... They will be up around 6-8% in 2024 and after that probably around 17-19% in 2029

rvp2018:
I am sure during apartheid they had such polls..no self respecting South Africans can agree to their land being sat on by boer

I'm also sure they don't agree with it, you are right! .......... however having a job, not being killed or raped and not being robbed, seemed more important than land when they were asked that question.

rvp2018:
I am talking next election...post ramaphosa..we will likely have malema and anc hardliners..or for your da,action party and malema..I don't see malema working with any boer..your best bet is moderate anc continue..please pray for ramaphosa

the EFF has reached its peak, the DA could maybe grow another 4-5%, but Imo Action SA will become the 3rd maybe even 2nd largest party by 2029....meaning that a DA/ASA coalition will be most likely then.

rvp2018:
it's OK for you to regale us with your hunting and gathering escapades but we can't tell you about our search knowledge. HUMANS EVOVLE FROM HUNTING N GATHERING 70,000 years ago.Restrain your neartherdal gene .For almost all Africans hunting is childish activity people outgrow...hunt better things..

bru? Wtf are you on about?

rvp2018:
ANC will fall below 50 percent..next election..ushering coalition politics in Azania...malema will decide South Africa future..his 10 percent..he backs progressive boer party..or very likely he back hardliners in ANC. I see ANC hardliners ruling with Malema..you might get Zimbabwe soon.The boer will wish Zuma was president as malema and anc hardliners don't give a damn about boer economy.I don't see malema ever backing DA..he would be killing his party

Ramaphosa is still ANC president and I can assure you there is a much better chance of a DA ANC coalition than ANC EFF coalition

gallivant:
Why are you getting technical Boer, aren't humans also animals?

no.... Maybe Kenyans though? just joking bru... But yeah naaahhh we ain't animals

rvp2018:
Race is a germaine issues in South Africa.The land issue need to be solved.I speak the truth always.I support malema that poor african without any hope like you need to get small pieces of land to grow their food.With your low IQ..you can only become a thug in joburg.Go back to the village and farm goats

what land issue? They did a poll infact asking people what the most important things are that need to be addressed in South Africa.... Do you know how many people said land?..... Less than 1%, literally less than 1% think that land is an issue that needs resolving in SA.

AfriqueDuZuid:


Evidence is clear to see

rvp2018:
You're highest achievement is cpas..you're an idiot to me..I did accounting in high school...nobody came to close me...I read proper cpas in my free time from my brother books..learnt law 101,economies 101, financial accounting.My friend I can read your cpa in a two days n pass.I didn't go to university class in whole forty year..I read a night before exam..accept some people have special brains.I can write you another quickbooks if I you want.Obama the US president has quoted my work.I have done stuff they send CIAs to see.Our startup became us federal contractor very early...

I started PayPal, tesla and space x.... I'm worth $200 billion.... You spend an hour on Nairaland as an anonymous user telling other anonymous users that you got 97 for math

rvp2018:
You're too protein deficient to have special brain.Elon musk definitely has one

I also cured cancer btw

gallivant:
How old were you when you stalked and murdered your first animal in cold blood?

you can't murder an animal

These fvcking bots just banned rvp20182 for nothing....
Mods really got to sort that sh1t out.

Anyway enjoy your ban RVP

rvp20182:
That what I call madness

Yes.... That's how gifted I am.... Also I scored 100 in all my subjects I ever took.... You only managed 97 in math you dumb bro

rvp20182:
But mine is true story that everyone in our village knows..my primary maths record of 97 marks remained unbeaten to date..I was nicknamed � in high school. I am a savant..you're a not.I take in incredible amount of knowledge

Mine is a true story also

rvp20182:
No one can predict future with certainty. No one is authority in it.PWC certainly not.In computing we call the NP Hard problem. YOU MAKE YOUR PREDICTION WITHOUT YOUR ASSUMPTION.

So if no one including massive companies with billions of dollars to spend on research can't predict the future... How is it possible you can?

rvp20182:
How can I doubt my intelligence when in grade 2 I was competing against grade 8 kid in mathematics. When i have litany of academic records. You only hate me because I always speak the truth regarding the Zoo.Yes Zoo gov fails but Nigeria as people's are quite remarkable. Just deal with criminal behaviour.

oh please.... I was competing with grade 12 kids in science a mere 30 seconds after leaving my mother's womb

rvp20182:
I can predict Kenya gdp will double in less than a decade while South African will be stuck.. Kenya and South African will both Middle class in 2030.

Yet you said no one can predict the future?.... Why are you being so hypocritical?

rvp20182:
Why don't admit the rather obvious fact that almost all of you of here are babies and I'm your daddy. I never make crazy arguments. I have twice your IQ, I am deeply read and from early age of 10yrs I have been a ferocious reader.I started reading Times and Economist in 1990.There is almost nothing you can teach me. You may disagree with me on many things due to your shallow knowledge but definitely I always thrive to make sound arguments backed by empirical evidence. The impact on motorcycle on Asian economies and now Africa is too obvious to be substantiated. The fact that in Kenya it has grown 400 times in 15 yrs is statement enough that they filing a huge gap.We have had people argue about mobile money too...now in Kenya crossing 300b dollars per year...3 times Kenya gdp..
..and just getting started. Mobile money and motorcycles can fix Africa financial and transportation problems..and have multiplier impact.They should be on top priority of any serious gov wishing to transform their people fortune.These kind of things eventually set the conditions a country need to leapfrog..Chinese started with everyone with bicycle..then everyone got a motorcycle..now everyone getting a car.We have to avoid South Africa and Latin America mess...where economy work for a few..and fails many..who eventually resort to crime and drugs..if not war's.. dragging the country down.Asians are avoiding that trap and moving unprecedented billions into prosperity.

same person that claims he is the only one on this planet that can predict the future ladies and gentlemen

rvp2018:
Youth and poor don't need welfare; they need jobs; they need economic opportunities;
Welfare should be for disabled, vulnerable, orphans, old, sickly, those dealing with natural disasters and etc.

You're killing south africans - making them dependant on social welfare - no wonder only immigrants work - the south africans are drinking cheap beer from SASSA

I actually agree...we subsidise unemployment.... It is one of the reasons we have such high unemployment, however it also the reason our poverty is relatively low