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Shma2022:
Again, common sense!

yes... Something you clearly lack

Mkenya2019:
There is hardly any road in Nairobi that is unpaved...just very few in slums. I don't understand how joburg can have more roads than Nairobi. That is assuming both are the same size.Gauteng yes..Nairobi metro its equivalent still has majority of roads unpaved Murram.Nairobi is completely built up...what is happening the last two decades is destruction of old low rises for high rise...the Nairobi metro still has spaces for those who want suburban living

Joburg has nearly the road network length as Kenya bru, as in your entire country ... Talk less of Nairobi.... You don't understand it because your brain can't comprehend the sheer magnitude of Johannesburg

Shma2022:
You're being moved by too much amour propre, and it's becoming nuisancical.

Nairobi CBD is filled up. we are building new CBDs, and they are growing at a rate that SAn cities can't near. Westlands & upper hill has a development progress that is unmatched by any city in SA. They are growing to a standard of first world countries.

We agreed on specifics. Not Your entirely aggravating submission.

Our population is on a downward trajectory; how do you expect to catch up with kenya? By 2025, we will be at an equal rate in terms of pp growth. So forget catching up!

Gaddamit! It's either Ghana is more developed than Kenya, or Not. Stop these cheap stunts to sound holier than thou. Understand the topic! Don't just answer like a madman. Anyways, my point regarding this specific paragraph is; Don't use city development trying to compare with a village or other deserted regions.
Heck! Is Lagos better than Ghana as a whole, simply because they have bigger GDP than her? I will wait for this answer.

- the irony in this statement ;DI'm not the one comparing Nairobi with Johannesburg.... If anything it's your own amour propre driving you to nonsensical comparisons.

- Do you really want to go there?? Must we compare the values of South Africas new urban developments to Kenya's?? ..... Must we go there.... Because I really want to you are a one city state my bru....we have several that are beyond Nairobi.

- you said you agree... Not me

- Are you retarded?? Can you not read your own source?? Not only is Kenya growing faster than SA but SAs growth rate is in an even steeper decline.

-muppet who's talking about GDP?..... It was one of many indexes I used when comparing Joburg to kenya.... Now you are fixated on it...and it depends on what development you are talking about, hdi and QOL Ghana leads infrastructure its Kenya

Shma2022:
Just because I quoted you doesn't mean the message is directed to you. COMMON SENSE!

it's literally what it means..... You could've qouted him directly

Shma2022:
Appisko is a hater. He just came to like this

why are you telling me this?

Shma2022:
Anyways, economy wise, Kenya needs time to catch up.

Buildings and infrastructure, Nairobi is bridging the gap.
Sporting facilities: Joburg takes it.
Pretty much everything is correct.

Population : Kenya is on a downward trajectory. We increase the economic growth rate while reducing population growth.

Don't compare a city with a country, Nairobi has more development than Ghana, and with more skyscrapers than Nigeria. It doesn't mean anything.
Lagos has bigger population than Kenya and huge GDP than Ghana as a whole.

- Joburg can't expand further hence why new cities are being built.

- glad we agree

- you are still far outgrowing SA, you will over take our population within 10 years probably sooner

- Does though? Ghana might not have skyscrapers but its decently developed and leads Kenya in most development indexes

- I know

rvp2018:
Kenya has long way to get to South Africa current level - earliest 15yrs. Kenya has to triple it GDP.
Nairobi metro has some way to get to Gauteng.

Nairobi is very close to Joburg.
Pop 4.5M versus 5.5M - infrastructure, housing, name it -- very very close.
In 5yrs - Nairobi will have China like 20-30 floors highrises of 500,000 units
Road network will be as good...with BRTs and all.
Office, malls, hotels and such will be at par
The rail network - we just need big upgrade of nairobi commutter rail.

What next?
Example - Makogeni has maybe 500 houses that look like soweto - gov will put 50,000 units high rise units

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpDuSz7TH-w

We've already done the math.... Even if SA stood completely still it would still take 30 or so years for Kenya to reach SA with a 6 % growth rate.... And that is if SA grows at 0% per year.

Secondly Joburg and Nairobi aren't even close, the road network in Joburg alone is nearly the size of your entire country same for the rail network, Joburg has more sporting facilities than your entire country, Joburg gdp is nearly the size of the entire Kenya, there several times more schools, universities and research centres, the housing market in Joburg is worth more than your entire country, retail space larger than your entire country, BRTs ect ect ect

Be realistic, SA and Kenya are not yet in the same league...maybe around 2080-90 when your population growth has made it possible for Kenya's gdp to overtake SAs much like Nigeria

rvp2018:
Nairobi has growing so fast thanks to private sector; now gov coming to build maybe half a million house will be game changer.

Listen to Knight Frank MD - Nairobi growth the last 15yrs is staggering.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG7RWwkJV0A


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR1HpE_AwCI

That is great for Nairobi...really happy for you, genuinely

However still doesn't change the fact that Kenya hasn't even caught up to Gauteng yet wrt development levels yet you want to compare Nairobi with Joburg?? Please...........stay rational!

rvp2018:
Crazy logic. First have reliable and stable electricity for basic stuff (QOL). Then move on to industrialization and mining. Your Eskom troubles cannot be wished away. Right now, neither homes nor industries nor mines have enough electricity. The economy is projected to "grow" at 1% at best - less than pop growth - at least for next 3yrs - thanks to Eskom.

Did I say SA don't have problems?? no I didn't, go read my original response and comprehend.

GeneralDae:
I just don't get it. What happened to the generators in SA?

what you mean?

Just30:
we are not comparing industrialization and infrastructure development...

We are talking about the availability and reliability of electricity and at the moment of SA crisis, this is down for SA.

The move to solar for household use is happening everywhere except very poor countries

no you are talking that, that was never my point, also what good is your reliable and available electricity when there isn't enough of it to drive industrialization and developed?

South Africa is one of the fastest growing solar markets in the world right now

rvp2018 post=120551759:
When I said Nairobi will need 15yrs - then 10yrs - to overtake Joburg. I was wrong. Only 5yrs. Ruto is building a million housing units - most will be in Nairobi - with seriousness it deserves.

This month some of those unveiled...more than 30,000 units.

Gov gives building contractors free land - zero rate all inputs and corporates - they in turn sell houses for less than10K usd for 1 bedroom, 20K usd for 2 bedroom and less 30k usd for 3 bedroom.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp3jeOcYCeM&t=74s

oh you are a clown....everyday your projection changes!!

Let Kenya catch Joburg first, then we talk Nairobi

Just30:
well Ghana has 86% electrification rate, just a little above SA at the moment .... Plus Ghanaians have their light on 24/7

Thousands of South Africans are moving of Eskoms grid every month, no surprise it's gone down.........also keep in mind SA has twice the population.....and Eskom still produces 15 times more electricity than Ghana.......Electricity production is more than just being able to put your lights on and watch some TV.

How do you expect to reach SAs level in terms of industrialisation and infrastructure development when you are only producing 18000Ghw?

Just30:
sorry kid

If you're receiving 8 hours of load shedding, then Ghana has a better situation than what you're facing because Ghana does not have load shedding

Ghana also only has a electrification rate of just over 80% and you produce only 18000Gwh of electricity........So yes you are still light years behind

Shma2022:
You and the guy you just quoted are twins in intellectual dwarfism.

The link he gave has nothing to do with wealth, resource, reputation, or things they offer to the global platform.

Kenya is world wide known for safari destination - National geographic is a Kenyan channel.
Kenya is the giant of sports in Africa - Check Olympic record. We're known for sports events.
World Safari rally is a Kenyan rally event!
Only two countries in Africa are in the HSBC rugby sevens: South Africa and Kenya.
Kenya is a regional power in EA.
We're the technology giant in Africa, maybe slightly behind Nigeria.
Kenya has the best reputation globally, that's why we have visa-free from some nations. One of the most hardworking people in diaspora are Kenyan.
Kenya is well known for eco-environment conscious in the world.
Kenya has produce prominent leaders in the world - Obama, Rishi sunak - current uK president.
Some of the most viewed Hollywood movies: cry freedom, Tomb raider: the cradle of life, sense 8, Inception, and many more were produced in Kenya.
When it comes to wealth, Kenya is 5th in Africa, behind SA and Nigeria in sub saharan.

Do research before yapping.

- No
- South Africa is the giant of sports in Africa, Kenya is comfortable 2nd
- Its a WRC event....which in itself is very impressive Kenya takes this one
- the only 2 permanent members yes, other African nations do compete regularly
- Correct
- SA is the technology Giant, very close between Kenya and Nigeria though
- Kenya has an average Passport ranking, you are below the likes of Malawi, Lesotho and Eswatini. Kenya is only ranked 9th in Africa in terms of visa free countries.
- Is it? I believe habitat loss and game population loss is a major problem.
- True
- Cry Freedom-Kenya only used to film some locations almost the entire movie was shot in Zimbabwe, Tomb raider: the cradle of life - shot in Kenya not produced in Kenya, sense 8 yes together with 15 other countries, inception no Kenyan involvement
- Correct

Luzebox:
Its regressing...8 hours electricity...crime rate doubled...killing normal...its becoming wild

As bad as it is, its still light years ahead of Nigeria, Kenya, Ghana and Tanzania

Appisko:
What is really happening to SA

Eskom

kabe1:
It is possible Ethiopia has a very fantastic military and are no push overs.

Pictures showing chinese M20 and A200 short range balistic missiles systems (SRBM) of the Ethiopian military.

couldn't even beat Eritrea or Tigray

AskiaHarem:
So you have no problem with Far-Right groups going on calculated mass killing sprees in the US? Wow.

have you not read my posts? I said I don't identify as right or left and I'm against oppression of freedom from both the right and left.

GreenandGold:
Our bird has aged, to be honest... A Rooivalk Lite is needed...

With enough coffee, Redbull and free time, I could pull us a design in 2 months..

we wait in anticipation

Covert1:
As everyone knows you are living in an alternate universe not this one of reality.

Except for mentioning Corvettes the professor was spot on. The derelict nature of the South African Navy is an open secret. And if the Southies want to play big they need to consult with the Nigerians which is Africa's superpower.

So are these Ghost submarines? How if none of our submarines have been to sea in 4 years, how can these foto exist?

Covert1:
A must watch | You have no busy on this thread without watching this. Professor Bolaji Akinyemi is brimming with intelligence on foreign policy in Africa. Brilliant idea on the South Atlantic power block against the North.

Most of what has been highlighted here he touched on them. This is is coming from an authority that is acknowledged worldwide.

So no dispute again. By the way he asked a question what excercises is South Africa holding with basically a moribund Navy and went on to list Southies assets stuck in port.
So you see everyone knows. Punching above your weight might get you in the Tiger's belly.

And he was clear Nigeria is too important. Our leaders have abandoned the Deep Blue Sea for a coastal Navy. Things we warn about daily.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcYXEknNIi8

To bad he has his facts wrong wrt South African Frigates and Subs...

Looks fvcking sick the apache might be the more beautiful bird compared to the Rooivalk

GreenandGold:
In an alternative universe where the SAAF ordered the AH-64D... we somehow gave it the Rooivalk paint scheme from the other universe

Appisko:
Accra

It really makes me question peoples intelligence when they don't even know what their own country looks like......SMH

AskiaHarem:
Who controls what depends on the state or city. For example the right controls Texas along with many inland southern states while the left controls California along with many coastal and northern states. California is the media capital of the nation so of course they have a digital advantage.

Everyone right and left participates in cancel culture they only go about it in different methods.

Prescribed pronouns are grossly over exaggerated the vast majority of liberals don’t even mess with it.

Although the west has weaponized LGBTQ to an extent that’s no reason for alt righters to go on Killing Sprees targeting them. That’s barbarism.

Single parent homes has little to do with politics it can be found anywhere by everyone. If the relationship is good it’s good; if it goes to crap it’s crap. Matter of fact alt righters banning abortion is only going to make it far worse and more prevalent. Don’t get me started on alt right INCELS and the grooming of children.

By CRT do you mean Critical Race Theory; If so then what of it? It’s TRUE in some places ESPECIALLY in the USA; much of the West, Latin America and once upon a time South Africa.

- who is currently the governing party in the US? Who controls Hollywood?

- yes I agree, read my previous reply wrt cancel culture

- any law that prescribes speech is a gross attack on one's freedom of speech, there is a difference between things you can't say(hate speech) and forcing people to say and use certain words

- its been made political, BLM has actively advocated for single parent homes, stats don't lie, a child is something like 70% more likely to grow up in poverty and be involved in crime compare to homes with a mom and dad, the democratic part also attack this through their attack on the supposed male patriarchy.

- abortion is a touchy subject, from a religious and moral standpoint I'm against it however people's freedom is more important than my beliefs and thus I'm pro choice, however I do believe abortion should take place when the fetus is no older than 5 days.

- as I said I don't consider myself right or left, any attack on a person's freedom should be dealt with swiftly, no person should be attacked based on their sexuality, I also believe that gay marriage should be legal... A view not shared by many Africans.

- I have a problem with children being indoctrinated with ideas that you are either disadvantaged or privileged solely based on your skin....how can you tell a child that and expect him or her to exceed in life?

AskiaHarem:
There are only so many alt-Right mass shootings and others acts of domestic Terrorism one can take haybe Somethings gotta give especially since there only growing in intensity.

OK and?

AskiaHarem:
The bat $hit wild imagination of the right wingers.

ahhh at least Green&Gold has a friend

Faithful007:
You are losing track of your own statements. You said left wing rhetoric is getting dangerous in the US. My reply was to let you understand that the most divisive positions are generally progressive and doesn't even carry the full support of the left. For example, Illhan Omar, Minnesota rep almost lost her primaries but still won her congressional seat convincingly in the general elections.

Progressives and Liberals make up the left-wing spectrum in America.

yes I said leftist ideologies are getting dangerous, you say progressives are part of the left.... So what according to your own argument is wrong with my statement when even you are saying progressives are part of the left?

Faithful007:
It would be of benefit if you let me know whether you're speak of politicans or activists when you say THE LEFT. I doubt if any Democrat poltician ever supported defunding of police. Infact many did openly disagree.

As for cancel culture, it exists everywhere not just with the left. It depends on who controls that social group. Do you know the amount of evangelical pastors who were removed from their churches or cancelled for criticizing Trump's presidency? Meanwhile criticizing Biden is allowed. It is very usual for NRA and gun rights activists to threaten gun manufacturers with boycotts if they stop producing civilian semi-auto rifles. It is usual for people to react that way to non-conformists within their group. Be in a group of smokers then keep telling them you hate smoking. Guess they would react favorably?

As for single parenting, it is not a political position in America. Most people are not against single parenting, if they were, it certainly doesn't factor into politics and government.

Im speaking of people on the far left that support fascism, equality of outcome, prescribed speech, defunding of policy ect ect I'm not talking about people that support things like gay marriage or abortion but rather.... And yes not only have democrats supported defunding of police they have actually done it in democratic states.

I'm not necessarily against cancel culture itself but rather the act of taking away a persons freedom of speech because his or her opinion is different to yours, im such an advocate for freedom of speech and expression that I do not believe racist speech or hate speech should be criminalised I'm not at all supporting these acts however laws that do criminalise it are to vague.... Like what exactly constitutes racism? And who can be racist and who can't?

You are misunderstanding the point, you should 100% be against single parent households(if possible) , you shouldn't be advocating for it like the BLM organisation.....children in single parent households are something like 70% more likely to grow up in poverty and be involved in crime and gangs than in a household with a mother and father, this figure stays consistent regardless of race.

Faithful007:
We were never talking about Africa but the US. Ain't it?

Being socially liberal is not considered a far left position in the US. Close to 70% of the US are pro LGBT and pro Abortion. What divides Americans are generally progressive ideologies rather.

I was with GreenandGold

Also I didn't say anything about liberals.... I said leftists,also I never said being Liberal is a far left ideology

kabe1:
Lazy Black South-Africans always whining and crying.

The next thing he'll be looking for the shop of a foreigner to burn and loot from.

Exhibiting in this thread the sort of "not taking responsibility for one's action" that comes with Xenophobic attacks.

I would stay out of it if I were you you don't want to go comparing South Africans with Nigerians

GreenandGold:
Ok... we see what you are doing here...

" Im not a racist, I have black friends" vibes

okay

I could have no black friends, honestly doesn't matter to me..... I either like you or I don't.....unlike you I don't have racial prejudice