rvp2018: WB/IMF uses nominal GDP for that - and also for daily poverty rate and middle class. I know Kenya will get to upper middle income when we approach 4,000usd. South Africa need to get to 12,000usd to become like Mauritus a developed country.
USD is just gold standard for international comparison despite drawbacks like temporary currency shocks and of course south asains who keep their economies strength hidden.
no they don't, the WB and IMF use GNI wrt income class.
GDP ppp is better at comparing countries for the reasons I already mentioned
rvp2018: Now that we are on the right track - let resume next year on those indicators. Leave political-social indicators. Egypt is military islamic dictatorship. I wont want to live there.
like I said before SA is ahead of Egypt in terms of pure infrastructure as well.....so what's your point
rvp2018: It has drawbacks - it hard to update (for example we already know Ghana has tanked using USD) and secondly it doesnt take care of quality - haircut in Kenya and South Africa - are not exactly the same - South Africa one likely to be more hygienic and will include massage. Here in Geneva I pay 10 times for haircut - but the number of haircutting machines they have is also 10 times.
Yes its more complicated to calculate however it is a much more fair means to compare economies.... That's why they developed it.
Also glad you saw your mistake wrt to GDP nominal not being a factor when measuring which income class a country falls in.
rvp2018: Rural south africa has those 30% indicators - of political freedoms. I am not interested in such. I am interested in Joburg city and Nairobi city in terms of urban development - and purely economic indicators. When we add indicators of political and social nature - human rights - then obviously western cities will always win.
And it's a good thing - I dont have beef with Mercer.
I have beef with you using it wrongly. Mercer QOL is meant to help expat choose where to live happily - most of them are western nation experts. They have to choose btw middle eastern or chinese 1st or next world cities - or Joburg - where they can live a more wholesome free life - although crime and power cuts will soon take them down.
Ive already posted several sources that clearly show SA is far ahead of Egypt wrt infrastructure as well so yeah.... Even this argument of yours has gone bust
rvp2018: Everyone uses nominal GDP - a country is LDC< Low MIddle or Upper Middle Income or Developed based on Nominal GDP; It's default gold standard. PPP is mainly used for internal purposes really.
GDP ppp is much more useful at comparing countries with each other since it takes into account cost of living.....a fvcking important factor when evaluating the efficiency and well being of an economy.
And no, GNI is used to classify a country within a certain income group, not gdp nominal
rvp2018: Yes anything less than 100% urban development which includes political-social-cultural-huma-rights indicators - we cannot use to compare cities in terms of urban development. We rather use the naked eye test.
why you shifting the goal posts?? You said less urban development categories were included vs political /environmental.... Yet that statement was found to be untrue.
No such thing as "naked I eye test" when we are talking about actual researched indexes
rvp2018: Nominal GDP I will keep repeating is gold standard as PPP is rarely accurate while USD can run ahead and tell us Ghana is going down - and people are about to suffer economic depression.
That is why USD is the king except for a few currency manipulators like Chinese/Japanase - and those south asians who export tonnes of things - way beyond their GDP.
Veitnam has weakest currency as their export is already way above their GDP. Those are countries where PPP can tell us their true economic strength - which they understate.
rvp2018: Again - I used the word "contains" - which mean INCLUDES - those are synonyms. In fact in my programming life - I use either Contain or Include interchangeably.
Focused is totally different thing.
Should I learn Afrikaaner or will you learn English
Muppet I'm not debating wether "focus" means the same as contain/ includes.
You clearly said "less on urban development"..... Meaning mercer includes/contains less urban development categories.... Which as we've established the opposite is true.
rvp2018: I see you twisted after realizing you tied yourself in a knot. I didnt say focused. I said INCLUDES "useless" political-cultural-social indicators that distort it from purely urban development. Those soft issues you cannot see from your naked eyes when you watch Asian city video and South Africa. You can clearly see from your own naked eye that one is miles away. But of course they dont have political rights, gays have no right, and they are not a democracy.
Again if we were to race - and I start 30% ahead of you - how will you catch up.
Did you go to school or you're just a hunter? If you went to school 30% is HUGE - even 10% is huge.
Refresh your memory :
rvp2018: You always tout the Mercer QOL - as measure of cities - while it contains HDI like indicators on human rights, freedoms, life expectancy - and less on urban development. That only way South Africa can measure up to Chinese or Middle East cities because they will score zero in political freedoms.
Also my name isn't Samorobo.... The naked eye test b.s doesn't float with me.
rvp2018: How much does Joburg beat Nairobi for example. Let assume 1 category is 10 points. If you take off 30 points from Asia cities because of their political enviroment; you've made huge difference.
That again is why I warned you about using one indices like a desperate Ghanian or Tanzanian
I don't do assumptions..... You said the Mercer QOL ranking focus more on political stability and freedoms than urban development... Yet 7 out of the 10 categories are infrastructure related..... That's the point
rvp2018: The remainder is how you come close to many Asian cities. Nobody said South Africa cities dont have infrastructure better than many in Africa. But they are far behind many in Asia now.
7 out of the 10 categories are infrastructure related... So try again
rvp2018: I already pasted the indicators they look for in their QOL - which are western civilization concept heavy on political freedoms. South Africa accept gay rights and marriage - such things can take down Chinese smart cities. Otherwise if Dubais, Shanghais and Shenhzen were considered purely on urban living - aka naked eye test - few western nations would come close.
This year, Mercer provides a separate ranking on personal safety, which analyses cities’ internal stability; crime levels; law enforcement; limitations on personal freedom; relationships with other countries and freedom of the press. Personal safety is the cornerstone of stability in any city, without which business and talent cannot thrive. This year, Western Europe dominates the rankings, with Luxembourg named as the safest city in the world, followed by Helsinki and the Swiss cities of Basel, Bern and Zurich in joint second. According to Mercer’s 2019 personal safety ranking, Damascus ranked bottom in 231st place and Bangui in the Central African Republic scored second lowest in 230th place.
Reposting again their indicators and methodologies
Mercer evaluates local living conditions in more than 450 cities surveyed worldwide. Living conditions are analysed according to 39 factors, grouped in 10 categories:
Political and social environment (political stability, crime, law enforcement, etc.). Economic environment (currency exchange regulations, banking services). Socio-cultural environment (media availability and censorship, limitations on personal freedom). Medical and health considerations (medical supplies and services, infectious diseases, sewage, waste disposal, air pollution). Schools and education (standards and availability of international schools). Public services and transportation (electricity, water, public transportation, traffic congestion, etc.). Recreation (restaurants, theatres, cinemas, sports and leisure). Consumer goods (availability of food/daily consumption items, cars). Housing (rental housing, household appliances, furniture, maintenance services). Natural environment (climate, record of natural disasters).
the bolded are all infrastructure related FYI.... So try answering my question again since 7 out of the 10 categories are infrastructure related
rvp2018: You always tout the Mercer QOL - as measure of cities - while it contains HDI like indicators on human rights, freedoms, life expectancy - and less on urban development. That only way South Africa can measure up to Chinese or Middle East cities because they will score zero in political freedoms.
Excuses after excuses! Do you believe Cairo's nominal GDP is way above Joburg's? I know you didn't say, but that's one among many indexes where Cairo smashes Joburg.
But from your source, do you believe Kenya only comes second to South Africa in the Quality infrustraructire index? THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT SOURCE!
It's better than QOL --- in the aspect of the most dynamic cities.
statista? Really bru
I brought you rankings from the World Bank and the global quality of infrastructure index and you bring me statista??
Again with the GDP..... Did I say Joburg has a larger gdp?? No I didn't.... But it does have a higher gdp per capita..... Your argument is fvcking ret@rded, its like saying Nigeria smashes SA(or Kenya) because it has a bigger economy.....
And yes Kenya has good infrastructure that was never a debate, ignoring small and island nations like Mauritius, Botswana and Seychelles.... I would say Kenya is in the top 5 in Africa wrt infrastructure quality
But I believe the information contained in the description is way above a deranged fathomable ability. Or reading and grasping the content goes beyond the capacity of a glaucoma-affected eye.
Nevertheless, since you know better, go ahead and decompound it for us, Mr know it all.
rvp2018: QOL - ranks stuff like political stability and democracy - gay rights - and that is where Egypt will score poorly - and South Africa will win - but everyone knows Joburg is crime capital, rape capital, drug capital and now even electricity & water are no longer assured.
Be afraid of the dangers of one story.
It reeks of desperation to always have one index like DESPERATE Tanzanian.
One of my favourite Nigerian - this very brilliant writer - she talks about the danger of single story. You need to widen your horizon - and you'll see many cities in last two decades have left South Africa - Dubais, Qatars, Chinese cities.
These chinese and middle east cities will score zero for democracy - but when it come to infrastructure, housing, transport - they are WORD CLASS - better than any city in the world.
South Africa cities are slowly become just another SSA city - without basic services with crime out of hand - and that is very clear to me. Nairobi on the other hand is growing very rapidly.
another long monologue that says very little.... I said show me an index that puts Cairo ahead of Joburg be it in QoL or infrastructure , its a simple request.
Shma2022: Cairo economy is nearly twice Joburg, That's one. On Infrastructure development index ; Egypt thrushes South Africa by far. Problemchild1, continue.
When did I say Johannesburg has a bigger economy? Cairo has 4 times the population of Joburg.
Accra is a fourth-tier city according to the global research institute. Nairobi, Capetown, and Casablanca in the same class --- closely followed by Lagos. Cairo and Joburg are in the same 1st class lower.
rvp2018: Cairo left any South Africa city long time ago by investing 45B dollars.
They actually have spent 60B dollars...while you've be thumbing and sucking your fingers waiting for day boers return to south africa political leadership
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