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@samarobo

What more evidence do you want wrt SAs GDP:

https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NGDPD@WEO/OEMDC/ADVEC/WEOWORLD

p.s copy entire link

samorobo:
Nope Twitter belong to Elon musk,whoever created it is now largely irrelevant.

Somewhere along this video this nigga talked about the previous load shedding before this one last up to 10 hours and he had to leave his house for somewhere else,so yeah .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUmHKyUrz2s

OK Twitter is now South African since its owned by a South African..... I like your logic sammyboy

I don't have to look at a video to tell you there as never ever been 10 hours of loadshedding in one go.....

samorobo:
Nonsense. What decision have you made that has in anyway affected or influenced Africa.
Your tags are just as useless as the P in psychology.


And yes your gdp is nothing close to the figure you are quoting. It’s a mere $320bn economy. You only showed me estimates not the real deal.

Read my responses to GeneralDae and theentancher

Secondly it not a debate.... Our GDP is 435 billion as per the IMF..... Hence why nobody questioned it..... Even you agreed it was 435 billion when I debated Shma.

theenchanter:
this, I believe. being chaired 2x at AU doesn't automatically mean influence, bro. AU is rotated among the five African regions and there are 10 or so countries in southern Africa, SA being the major country with a majority of smaller nations, where else do u expect the chair to go when it gets to southern Africa's turn?

I'm not disputing d fact that, just like many African nations, u're among several international bodies, I'm only asking for what has been done by those bodies to the continent, particularly because of SA.

And don't mention BRICS that one is more for the five nations, G20 will be better.......

in Africa we only have regional powers, no African country has the influence of China or the US,and neither did I claim such, what I said was SA has more influence thanks to having more soft power, because of the fact that we are in G20, Brics and aEU stratigic partner as well has the fact that we are the most visible African investor in Africa...
Everyone knows our products and franchises... The fact that you shop at Shoprite, watch your shows on DSTV and buy your airtime at MTN is what I mean by soft power...... I never said SA influences WA more than Nigeria does but that was never my argument in the first place

Lurker4Long:
Seen the sizes of rugby schoolboys nowadays? I was at the Indoor Rock Climbing place in Observatory and several teams (playing some tournament at Bishops) came in. Bloody hell!

Anyway, whilst rugby might approximate combat for some of us, I fear we've derailed the thread long enough for others.

yeah, school boys these days hey!!!

kikuyu1:
At first I was shocked competing HSs are poaching each others players but after a rethink I'm not!


https://www.sarugbymag.co.za/dark-side-of-schools-rugby-rears-its-head-again/

Which is why I hope your schoolboys massive size is natural but......


https://rugbyonslaught.com/massive-68-teenager-is-going-viral-with-his-destructive-highlight-reel/

https://youtu.be/x67B5HsmH-U

Also NOWHERE else in the world,[b]NOWHERE[/b]has this quality of schoolboy rugby.

I remember playing Rohan Jansen Van Rensburg(see pic) in a provincial trail game when I was 18.... I played prop(supposed to be the biggest oak on the field)...... Back then I was 6,2 95kg...Ruan playing center was 6,1 110kg......

theenchanter:
Since he has a limited knowledge on the topic, u can do well to clear his ignorance by teaching him what he needs to know..... But unfortunately, u lack the prerequisite knowledge of which u're accusing another person of.

And for u to know, being listed among a body, a foreign body for that doesn't make u have a de facto influence over the continent.

And until jln15 deliberately tell us a significant impact of SA, being among BRICS, influenced d continent, or a particular decision/action/assistance that has been meted out to the continent by BRICS because of SA's input.... All he's been saying is mere deflection.

go read my response to GeneralDae

GeneralDae:
But there is no example of it showing that so called influence. What policies of South Africa have influenced the continent or the AU for example. That is the question.

Well firstly we are the only country to have chaired the AU twice...so yeah...

But like I said no African country has the influence of Germany in the EU.... We have regional powers and in those regions you can see the sphere of influence of SA, Nigeria and to a degree Kenya....... What SA does have is more soft power thanks to being on G20, BRICS, EU partner ect ect.... And that's is why SA has the biggest influence in Africa vs other African countries

GeneralDae:
The fines on MTN and Multichoice made them complain bitterly almost involving your Government in the matter. If they wanted to leave at that point, they would have done so and the Nigerian Government was aware they could decide to leave as a consequence before taking that decision. Some South African companies have left or sold their companies to Nigerian companies afterall.

of course they complained!!.....its business bru!! In fact they complained so much that your Government more than halved the fines......

GeneralDae:
I am asking for the evidence of South Africa's influence on the continent through these bodies.

For example: Whatever Germany does in Europe is significant for all of Europe. Because of Germany, Greece is alive today. Germany's body language and policies towards Russia and Russian gas has effects on the European union, etc etc. So this means Germany is not just the most diversified economy but they are also the powerhouse of the EU.

Is South Africa more of a powerhouse in the AU than Ethiopia or even small Rwanda?

I never said SA has the same influence as Germany, I said it has the most influence in Africa.... That doesn't mean it has the same influence as China or the US...it simply means it has more influence than any other African country, even if that influence is not that apparent or that big.

samorobo:
The mere fact we could bully you with outrageous prices and have you come beg for mercy doesn’t position you as the one with the influence,in fact if there is anything it’s speak cowardice,weakness,pushover and the lists go on and on.

Influence comes with power. You don’t value anyone’s but your decision. You speak and you want it done otherwise your inferiors face the consequences. You going to beg and nag to the media is nothing short of sissy-ness. I hope the picture is clear this time

Bully MTN? If you wanted to bully MTN you could've kicked them out of Nigeria or nationalised them.... But no you gave them a slap on the wrist for potentially aiding Boko Haram......MTN has bullied the Nigerian government, not the other way around

samorobo:
You found it,we bought. Superior move.
Elon musk is the new owner of Twitter,who ever found it is irrelevant.

-uhmm nope I just say a video where a certain American guy that relocated to SA complained of enduring load shedding in Cape Town for about 10 hours. Now that right there is Nigeria. So permit me to gloat my laatije.

Twitter is still twitter just like shop rite is still Shoprite.... And it not a superior move to buy a business..... Its just business, either way we make money.

- there has never been loadshedding for longer than 2.5 hours....that 10 hours you talking about is a made up story

GeneralDae:
So how have you influenced Africa with all these? Give some examples.

those are international decision making bodies... Meaning SA has the ability to influence decisions wrt G20 and BRICS that directly effect Africa especially economically

samorobo:
If control a country’s economy and interfering in their internal politics is not influence then I don’t what else influence could be described as. Perhaps you need to update your archaic dictionary.

Your G20 title abd all that havent give any influence whatsoever on Nigeria,so really what’s the point. You are just a mere $300bn economy piggybacking on the effort of other sane countries in those categories.

My bru and you think SA doesn't have the same influence? Are you good bro?

Also being on G20, BRICS ect ect means we have the ability to make decisions that affect Africa as a whole.... Also I've clearly showed you that SAs GDP is $436 billion

GeneralDae:
All these are irrelevant because they don't help you influence Africa. Maybe one of us do not know what influence means.

..... uhhmmm, maybe if you start thinking logically for one second you would see that it does infact help SAs influence in Africa

samorobo:
Oh that’s true, I remember that incident.
@ jl115 over to you.
The bolded doesn’t speak influence,it’s screams I am at your mercy.

Why would they leave when you are gifting our companies billions in revenue?? The mere fact that the fine that MTN got was just a slap on the wrist is what actually screams influence

samorobo:
I am not about to go on and on.

Shoprite Nigeria belongs to Nigerians. Stop with the sticky fingers

And yes eskom now supply about the same electricity we consume to SA. So yes I will make fun of it,so brace yourself and stop heckling.

- who founded shop rite?

- nope, Eskom produces 5 times Nigeria can produce....your generator fumes must be getting to your head

samorobo:
Is this even a question?. We influence politics,economy in this region we’ve interfered in some countries internal affair here(govt affairs and their politics). Same with economy. The most recent was when we shut our boarders down and most of our neighbors economy hit rock bottom. Now that there is influence not some nonsense secondary school girls talk on shoprite and DSTV. Learn to separate investment from influence. A company cannot influence Nigeria,A country can and so far no country has,talk more of common SA.

ohh my fvck bru!! this gibberish above is why you think Nigeria has more influence than SA? Let me just say this: G20, Brics, EU strategic partner, Largest African FDI contributer....

Omofaye99:
Rugby for me is not interesting like football.

OK and?

GreenandGold:
@Lurker4Long and jl115

Say hello to the new kings of SA rugby, us the inland people.. come pay homage

for my Nigerian friends the Pumas winning the Currie Cup was like Leicester winning the Premier league.....

samorobo:
- we shopped at shoprite when you owned it but we decided to switch it up by buying the entire venture and upgrade it. The past should not even be up for discussion,it’s simply not the crux of this matter. Bla de bla, we are the ow era of shoprite Nigeria,no amount of wailing will change that. Now Take that to access bank and cash it

- Uhmm no ret@rd,it’s called investment and not influence,get the difference. You influence no one,not even Namibia.

- OK let me switch it up.... How does Nigeria influence anyone with the sane logic you applied above?

samorobo:
- Shoprite is owned by Nigerians, we already paid you for both the babe and the entire company. So yeah it’s Nigerian you fraud. Stop trying to Take that glory.

- uhmmm no. You tried to sell me some silly cheap lie you fraud. It’s clearly stated there that it is an estimate but I trust you went blind to see that.

- Your eskom provide about the same daily power supply as Nigeria (remember you should at stage 20 load shedding by now ) so give me a pass when I decide to call that out and make a mockery of it. Classic example of “how the mighty has fallen”.

-Who founded shoprite? Was it a Nigerian?.... No it wasn't, no stop acting like you did.

- I asked you if you want to see the report..... I find it hypocritical that you fully supported these same figures when I was debating the kenyans yet now you want to question figures that are straight from the IMF... But here is the link to the full report as well https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WEO/Issues/2022/04/19/world-economic-outlook-april-2022

-actually stage 2....and like I said, get to 20% of Eskom then we can talk.... Or maybe when you one day don't need your generator then call me up bru ..... Also remind me what Nigerias electrification rate is again?

samorobo:
So this is the influence. Now I know I was wasting my time.


We watch dstv cos it’s our content and not SAns,so I don’t see the influence. Plus we are the partial owners down here.

STANBIC ibtc is no where near the top performing banks so rest.

We shop in shoprite cos we own the goddam place. I mean why not.

Did Nigerians not shop at shoprite when it was still owned by Shoprite group? Also its influence just like KFC is US influence....

The argument was never the sort of influence China or USA has.... It was simply down to which African countries has the most influence be it how small or big

samorobo:
We are paying fir the name,otherwise we are 100% owners so yeah it’s no longer a SAns but a Nigerian.

Liar, it’s clearly stated there than both 2021 and 2022 are estimates ret@rd. It was probably released before your 2021 economic reports were released.

- when eskom becomes competent then hit me otherwise save me your fanatical stories.

- so far you've only showed me Shoprite that is now fully owned by Nigerians.... Still doesn't change the fact that it will still be associated with the Shoprite Group which SAn

- do you want the report? But then again you'll make another ret@rded excuse to dismiss it..

- my stories ain't fanatical but simple fact..... Also you can talk about Eskom once Nigeria can produce a 5th of what Eskom produces

samorobo:
You are still mentioning shoprite. Oga shop rite Nigeria no longer belongs to SA. It’s owned by a Nigerian group.

I don’t have time for this needless back and forth argument,show me how you have influenced us or stfu.

Don’t quote me if you can’t do what I requested of you.

yes I mentioning shoprite since it is still a South African company.

The fact that you watch DSTV, bank at Stanbic and by your groceries at Shoprite... That is influence

samorobo:
- household what. Thesame ventures that are fully owned or partially owned by Nigerians.

- yes and their branches are co-owned by Nigerians. So what’s the fuss?

- silly cow. It’s and estimate as they stated not reality.

- We are we king solution,SA is stucked in eskom rot. 2 decades back this wasn’t the case in SA but things appears to be changing fir the worse.

- I don't know which are partially owned by Nigerians or not, but the fact remains those are South African franchises and people recognise it as such

-yes and KFC franchises in Nigeria are also owned by Nigerians but we all know KFC is a USA product

- yes the 2022 figure is an estimate but the 2021 figure of $418 billion is published in the April 2022 WEO report

- how are things changing for the worse when IPP have been approved by government and Eskom is being decentralised?

tom4greatness:
If you interested to solve maths problem on an American site that pays in dollars then send me a message on Whatsapp 07031912193 ( for only those who can solve maths problem accurately). You can make at least $500 monthly.

lll do it for $5000 a month

samorobo:
Stupid question but let me assist a ret@rded kid when I can.

Nigeria companies in SA.

I thought you will also ask me of dangote


Now tell me how SA has managed to influence Nigeria. Lol the whole world is waiting to hear it.

look my laaitjie, Nigerian companies aren't household names In SA like DSTV, MTN, Shoprite, Showmax, Stanbic Bank, Remgro ect ect are In Nigeria.... Now again what do those companies do?

samorobo:
- thought you once claimed it isn’t there. Refreshing to see you know better now

- Netflix,DSTV, showmax and the list goes on and on.

- firstly where those Ur show SA? Secondly don’t show me snapshot of something that can be recreated with Microsoft excel. You gdp is a mere $329bn you fraud.

- Nigeria has grown out of economics recession and would be doing Atleast 5% or above this year. SA would be lucky to do 0.5% this year. Now that right there is the difference. You are sinking - we are crawling out.

- yours is decaying, ours is getting better. Joburg cbd is becoming one big dumpsite,just like Durban and Pretoria, it’s only Capetown and sandton tgat seems to be getting it right.
What of Eskom load shedding . Nah I do t think you want me talking about that.

- I said I would like to see actual atms and banks...access bank is virtually unknown in SA unlike Stanbic bank which is a household name.

- so 2 out of the 3 sites you just mentioned are South African

- here is the link... Go check it out for yourself https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WEO/weo-database/2021/October/weo-report?c=199&s=NGDPD

- cool story bru... However we grew 4.9% in 2021...and we are expected to grow 3.7% in 2022 which is more than Nigeria which is expected to grow by 3.4%

- and yet our Cities continue to rank highly wrt QOL and yours continue to rank at the bottom.

- also you talk about Eskom while you are running your generator all day just to post on Nairaland?

samorobo:
Also, Might I remind you that Jumia, paystack is also in SA.
Same with dangote cement

what is jumia and pay stack?

samorobo:
That you haven’t heard of access bank doesn’t mean it’s doesn’t exist. Get off that high horse,your ignorance is not the standard.

Also because you haven’t heard or watch BBNAIJA, RHOL and other popular Nigerian tv shows doesn’t mean million of SAns arent head of heels for this shows. We see their comment on our screens,Twitter,this celebs pages(tiktok,Instagram,YouTube) and comments section,heck some even go as far as creating SA fan pages for this Nigerian celebrities - yeah obsessed is the word.
Again your ignorance is not the standard here.

And nope your economy is a mere $329bn to be precise. Egypt has surpassed you to be Africa’s second largest economy and I think they are around $390bn ,so go sell that cheap lies somewhere else.
Atleast you admit we grew,SA has been economically,politically, socio-economically and ,infrastructurally retrogressive for more than 2 decades now. Hit me the year you decide to grow Atleast 0.5%, otherwise we are ready receive the usual SA prognosis of 0.1-0.2% on a good day,on bad days is -8%

And yeah I am still waiting for you to point out how you can influence or better still give an instance where the common stagnant SA influenced Nigeria. Lol that can never be possible. We would all rather die than ever let common SA influence us. Gawd forbid rubbish.


And yes every of your ventures here are either fully bought ,partially owned by Nigerians. So
Please save it already.

- Did I say access bank doesn't exist?

- cool story bro, now tell me on which service provider do you and these so called millions of SAns watch these shows on?

-I'm not debating you wrt SA GDP since it 100% is $436billion as per the latest IMF report... See pic

- Nigeria an oil rich nation, with a massive population could only barely out grow a state captured SA over the past decade..... Let that sink in!!.

-SA infrastructure gap 0.6% Nigeria infrastructure gap 30%

samorobo:
Strawman argument. You asked for just a single presence of Nigerian companies in SA,I showed you that now you are down to counting numbers and splitting hairs. All grobank branches in SA is now access bank,the SA headquarters is in sandton.

Your multichoice is a dead joke without Nigeria contents,talents and investment. Little wonder why shows like big brother naija, Real housewives of Lagos is a big deal across the continent but her counterparts in SA is not heard of outside mzanzi republic.

And yes again, having an investment here doesn’t mean you control shiit. You are daft if you think common SA has any influence whatsoever in Nigeria. Lol you are a mere $300bn economy,you can never pull that off. Focus on seeing 1% growth annually for the next decade. That shou on d consume all your attention.

Let's get a couple of things straight.... 1. Our franchises are all over Nigeria and are actually well known, unlike Access bank which I've never heard of niether have I heard of Grobank.

2. The fact is DSTV is well known in Nigeria, that's the point, also Ive never seen BB Nigeria or real housewives in Lagos.... Sounds ret@rded if you ask me.

3. Our economy is $436 billion in 2022 not 300....maybe you missed the part where we rebased our GDP

4. Nigerias average growth rate over the last 10 years isn't even 2% I believe.... Even though your population is over 200mil