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Hmmmnnn... Me I don't agree o. With my understanding of miracles , the chemical composition of the sand has nothing to do with that miracle. He could have used saw dust .

Goshen360: ^
So when a person does that, what is such person doing to his/her body....which is the temple of God (if born again)

You tell us what you think he is doing to his body. What is a man who is chewing Gum doing to his body?

If we are talking about someone not born again, NO PROBLEM o. It might be okay for the worldly people but am talking about a believer or true christian.

You guys makes it looks as though someone is encouraging mastubation. That's the attitude Paul complain about in Rom 3:8 . No spiritual man will encourage any person to do mastubation . The. Question is . Has anyone who done it committed a sin against God? . My answer is No. But that doesnt take away the fact that it's a bad habit. Pastor Christ was very clear on this, he said .the way to stop a bad habit is to replace it with a good one.

Whoever say mastubation is Cain against God is simply adding to scripture.

Jenwitemi: But Lucifer/devil was not that perfect, was he? .

He was created perfect. He had a choice to remain so or rebell. He had choice of will.

Ezekiel 28:15
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Solution is prayer and the word. Listen to messages on prayer. You I'll naturally bust into prayer.

Demos are spirits who have lost thier bodies thats why they desperstely look for human bodies to dwell. They dont belong to this plain .they Should be CAST OUT!

So what's the point

Ozegbe: The rate at which our pastors are establishing on the earth doesnt show that h we is coming soon. I cant remember the last time I heard a popular pastors use that almost obsolete line "repent for the kingdom of God is hand, Jesus is coming very soon". Perhaps somebody has recently heard, dont know. ~ozegbe~

The delay if for the perfection of the saints ,the maturity of the church . Jesus is coming for a perfect mature church. That is why the word has to be taught to mature the church. The delay is also for more souls to come into Gods kingdom ,just like the delay in the days of Noah.

2 Peter 3:3-4
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

luckyCO: Brothers & Sisters!'
They recommend that Christ has died that we might live so we are not expected to keep quite while witches and wizard destroy our happiness and our future.
Please I want best explanation that can come from you!
Thanks

I think I understand your point. certain Men of God believe you should kill your enemies by fire . Kill witches and kill demons by fire. So when you talk about forgiveness . They will say its only Jesus that does that.

We ought not to pray against enemies. We are embodiment of love.

Kenneth4u205: I've always been odd since childhood.stays away from other kid.plays and eat alone.speaks less than 500 words in a day.but the confusing part of it is that i dont even eat meat.i can feel all the pain,anger,etc that the animal experienced at the point of slaughter.can feel those negative emotions inside the meat.is this sensitivity to the pain of others?.or is it demonic?.is there any verse in the bible that support vegetarianism?.is this a type of fasting or what?.am confused

Do you feel the pain of mosquitoes and flies that you kill ? What of rats and cockroaches ? Or do you live with them?

Life is a choice . If you were wrongly programmed from childhood by man, you can still re programme yourself by the word of God if you're born again. It is not a must to at meat . It's a choice .

God gave us the herbs and meat .

Genesis 1:29-30
And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

If you feel for the meat (animals) you should feel for the vegetables too who's life was cut short.

nuella2: Thank you Mabel,Goshen and Joagbaje

I think Rebellion can be used for a Christian, I personally don't think that word is too hard,

you are right in a sense. a Christian can be rebellious. it depens on the issue.

talking of witchcraft, we have them in churches churches, those group of people are they just merely sense ruled?

there are different kinds of witchcraft. the English language is not rich enough to eexpress some Greek words of the bible. witcraft here is not talking about the witch that is flying. it connotes two things.The first one medicine ,the second one I've forgotten! but I know the Greek word there has sometimes to do with pharmacy. I'm.using an android. so I dontt have my bible here.

Is rebellion not caused by a demon? apart from just been sense ruled.

anything can be rebellious caused by a demon. at the same time everything is not caused by a demon. it depends on a particular issue at hand

And does that mean no Christian can be called spiritual since most Christians still make mistakes from time to time. Are there level of sins that make you carnal.

spirituality is not based on perfection. but attitude and reverence to the word of God.

Goshen360: ^
Okay, do you have prove of turning water into wine before? OR I should send someone to you with water so you can turn it into wine and we can see proof OR I send someone to take you to the beach so you can walk on the water?

Deal or No deal?

No deal .

But When such need arise ,we can cut deal

nuella2: what is the difference between a baby Christian and a rebellious Christian.
will a rebellious Christian go to heaven ?

A baby christian is someone who is new in the faith , lacks knowledge to a great extent and may make some mistakes. But a " rebellious" christian seem to be someone who knows better but outrightly refuse to submit to the word. It's like some one who cheats in business . It's not a mistake or someone who cohabits etc.

why will a Christian be rebellious since he has the nature of God in him as a child of God.

man has a choice. When a man allows his conscience to be seared , he can get to that level where he no longer feel after God. I think using the word "rebellious " may be too extreme for the carnal man here. I will rather call him "A SENSE RULED MAN"

Goshen360: Okay,

@ Joagbaje,

Can I ask you these kweshion since you fail to understand where am going. I know you also have read that the devil also believe and quote scriptures right?

My question to you is, You believe in God and in Jesus, CAN YOU TURN WATER INTO WINE AND CAN YOU WALK ON THE WATER?

YES OR NO?

After you answer me, I will prove what I intend to prove from scriptures,okay.

I can turn water into wine I can walk on the water.

Goshen360: Joagbaje and I will start again o, .

@ Joagbaje, What makes you think a pastor can turn water into wine or walk on the water? We need to learn something from this thread and I hope to show God's people about it.

Jesus was clear enough . Christianity is in power . Signs and wonders are integral part of Christianity . But those who seem loudest hardly know the power of God. And they end up persecuting those who dare to believe and act on Gods word.

Galatians 4:29
But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now..

Logic Mind: didn't i just tell you i have everything i want?

What about your soul?

Mark 8:36-37
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? 37 Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

I understand your pont. Blood is life. But our life in Christ is beyond the human blood.

John 1:13
Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

1 Corinthians 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

giftnwala: Jesus christ said greater things shall will do on earth if we believe, if u see pastor that turns water to wine or walk on water, will u see him as a geniue pastor or a magician?

They will call him false prophet who shall arise

Is such possible? If it ever happens its either he was never a christian . Even though he was around but never understood salvation .

1 John 2:19
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

On the other hand , he might have been born again but fell out of faith through seducing spirits and lost his salvation by confessing that Jesus is no longer lord.

Hebrews 6:4-6
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Anti-PastChris:
He said tattoos are not in the bible

I posted all the passages and translation with it proving him to be a liar and you would say white is black and black is white if pastor Chris said white was black you would say it would be the spectrum of light

Thers no lying there? The scriptures you quoted ate not about tattoos . But italics tic marks made for the dead. Not decorative tattoos or fashion. Try get the point.

i.chuka:
Then he's not a Christain at first.
Because,God cannot lie..Nums23:19,when He said whosoever believes in Him shall have ETERNAL LIFE,HE meant it.

Yes a christian can't go to hell but It's possible for someone who had been born again before to end up in hell and be damned . That's why the bible says to work out ones salvation.

Hebrews 6:4-6
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Remember what paul said Con earning his own salvation.

1 Corinthians 9:27
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. .

Also remember the words of Jesus .

Matthew 7:22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

A christian can lose his salvation.

The bible is not talking about tattoo as what people do today. But ritualistic mark on the body. Pastor chris answerd him right in that context. The tattoo people do today is mere decoration. (I don't subscribe to it) So forget the false claim you're making .

Anti-PastChris:
this is you out to defend him again he said the bible does not talk about tattoos yet I proved this to wrong it is you that does not love to hear the truth you worship pastor Chris and not God you love what he says over the bible, the bible is only a second hand truth not first-hand I say this in love.

I'm defending truth aginst false accusations like yours. Can you make this clear in plain terms? Did you read my post on this . Tattoo is a relative word it depends on what perspective you look at it. Is tattoo a sin? Is mark on the body a sin? Is tribal mark a in? Is make up a sin. Is body decoration a sin? . Pls explain.

Deep Sight: Haaa. . .u fall my hand small. . .but i guess you are still on point. . .let me rephrase: is there any limit to the new tunes that may be conceived?

I thought as much but I just wanted to be sure. I play music . I write songs and i play the keyboards . My answer is yes and no. Yes in the sense that there are basic movements and progressions In music which I feel may be exhausted. That's why we have many songs following same progression if we have to follow the fundamentals . You can al,oat put the lyrics of one song into another by a different musician and it will fit perfectly. Some do this deliberately , a kind of copyright abuse. Like the popular church song "ose o Jesu a o mayin o" which was done by ebenezer obey. The lyrics. Was written by Obey but the tune was copied from Bonny M. There' are situation where similar things happen but purely coincidental because the music was based on basic progression of cords.

But on the other hand I can still answer No because. Music is changing from the basic styles into many things. The basic laws. May no longer. Be followed . It's free for all . For that ,the madness is endless .

" FOR THE DEAD" . . Sayeth the lord. Every reference to body msrk in the bible has to do with rituals for the dead

Deuteronomy 14:1
Ye are the children of the LORD your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the dead.

Leviticus 19:28
Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord.

Jeremiah 16:7
Neither shall men tear themselves for them in mourning, to comfort them for the dead. . . .

The point of emphasis is not the cutting or mark on the body but the ritualistic purpose

ebamma: i have been in an arguement with a friend about sowing seed and i was telling him that i can't sow seed for no pastor to use my money to buy jet,sometimes some christians are plain stupid, is it only when a pastor prays for u that God will answer,many of this pentecostal churches are plain exploitation centres.

It's your salvation that counts, your soul first. Your money can only be precious if you're saved

@OP

You're misquoting pastor chris. And you also misunderstand his teaching. The tattoo hes talking about is body decoration. The bible is not against such. Even though it may not be edifying .its a matter of choice. Tribal marks and other marks in the body falls into this category .

The scripture you quoted has to do with demonic activivites . Marks made for the dead. This is not decoration . It's rather a ritualistic thing .

Leviticus 19:28
Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord.

Make up and tribal marks would be wrong according to your ideology.

We will not stay in heaven forverver . Our being in heaven will only be for 7years. We will come back to the earth. It's in earth will dwell forever. According to the bible

Welcome back Godprophet. Happy new year