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akintom:
By this, do you mean that anyone who's not a Christian, is demon possessed?

Sure ,a man who is not born again is already a child of the devil by default. Even though he may hate Satan, just as bakassi people can claim to hate to be called cameroonians but they have no Choice .

Like a Christian marrying an atheist, will she be exposing herself to demon possession?

but I may not use the word possession but the word demonized is more appropriate. As long as the person is born again and loves christ . He can't be possessed by devil. But can be demonized . Possession means ownership

2 Corinthians 6:14-17 (KJV Strong's)
14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

In an ordinary sense or in a mystical/esoteric sense?

In every sense . I do cast out Devils . And dealt with many cases where even a demon speaks through its victim and confesses how it enters the victims life through sex .

Apart from these biblical references that are just a thoughts formed by unsubstantiated claims, do you have other sources of support?

Just as stated in my post above . There are practical experience in dealing with real people . You can't dectect demons in a lab . It's only by the spirit of God, Agbe word of God ,experience and observation in the lives of victims they are detected . Many victims may not even know they have trouble with demons and some experience the troubles but don't even know the sources . A guy once slept with a prostiture and from that day he lost control of himself sexually . He can even run out of exam hall to satisfy urge . He only got free when it was cast out. Another guy had his international business collapse . Every thing just started going wrong when he had a sexual experience with a lady . The only good thing about this two cases was that they knew the source . Some may not even remember it thought about it that way.

When was it given

tessywithsexy:
Now Gal 5:1-6, Paul made us to understand that each time you do any aspects of the law to get justified, you are fallen from grace,

True . A man can only be justified by faith in christ

Gal 3:10 is either you do all or you do none. Below are 365 laws out of the 613 laws in the old testament is either you do all, or you do none.

But that doesn't condemn the principles of God in the law. The law is the written record of rights and wrong

akintom:
How can you explain or establish this assertion.

Why do you think God forbade isreal marry from other nation ? It's because of demonic transfer through idolatry .

Sex is a covenant . It joins two people together .

1 Corinthians 6:16-18 (KJV Strong's)
16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. 17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

Your case is very easy and simple to deal with . I'm sure in Assemblies of God. They do deliverance there why not meet your pastor there . If he's not into it he will recommend someone else he can trust . Don't just be moving from
Church to church .

This mischievous thread should be closed
I don't believe its hardmirror. But it's the same spirit of fabrication.

akintom:
I have asked the author of the "discovery" of the above "physico-spiritual" disease or syndrome, to provide details of his discovery, but he's not responded.

Can anyone, who knows what this author is talking about, provide enlightenment on the nature of the disease, how it can be diagnosed, how it can be prevented and treated.

Am tempted to assume whether this is the STD that Pastor Adeboye predicted its emergence this year.

Demons do transfer from one person to the other through sex

MrPresident1:
I have explained it to you how I got the date,

Maybe I didn't see it . You can kindly repost it

but you are not taking note. It is a step by step process..the first step is to identify the falling away and in this also identify the son of perdition. According to Paul, if these two signs are not unravelled, no prophecy of the coming of Christ should be believed.

Falling away has been taking place right from the days of the apostles. .And many antichrists also manifested

2 Timothy 4:10
For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia.

1 John 2:18-19
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

What is the falling away, and who is the son of perdition?

You have to explain it in clear terms .not vague presentation. Take out time to make your presentations clear.

1 Peter 3:15
. . . .and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

2 Timothy 2:24
And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

Please read my thread on the falling away and the revelation of the son of perdition

It's not politeness sending me to be searching Internet for your threads just to get an answer for what you could have pasted or typed.

Proverbs 3:27
Withhold not good from them to whom it is due,
when it is in the power of thine hand to do it.

MrPresident1:
According to the book of Daniel chapter 2 verse 44, the kingdom of Christ will be established by the LORD during the days when the Iron and Clay are ruling, and trying to mix: they will not mix.

I agree with you that we are in the period of iron and clay . I will rather call it democracy.

The days of trying to mix Iron and Clay ends on the 20th of January 2017.

My contention is the date 20th of January. How did you arrive at this conclusion.

MrPresident1:
Jesus will come and Trump will not be president

May I ask what's the significance of the date

MrPresident1:
It is 3 days to 2017

Do you think Donald is the antichrist ?

LoJ:
https://www.nairaland.com/1995144/breaking-news-joagbajes-miracle-hiv

And who was the other person? I read each post of that thread many times.

If you really read it well as you said then you ought to know that's the bone of contention. The idea of two persons. I will like you to maintain an open mind while I explain briefly the mixup .

An individual who I never met before testified of being healed of Hiv after I had prayed for him . He wasn't even my member . But in his testimony he mentioned his pastor . (Another branch) . I contacted the pastor to ask for his number . And I told him to do Hiv test . Which he told me he had booked for appointment for the test. The story was forgotten

Then later my video editor while compiling some testimonies showed me video of praying for the guy . Jeff . I actually felt he looked different to be honest because the guy in being prayed for looked emantiated in the video. (I never said this before ) but the editor said the slight different look was due to the sickness . And when I watched it . What the Jeff the testifying guy narrated was exactly what happened in the video . That convinced me and that even made the testimony more powerful as far as I was concerned that if it's the same person even Without any medical proof the difference in looks of the guy before and after prayer was enough proof there was a miracle . And I decided to post it on nairaland . Not for personal publicity but for testimony For those who don't believe in healing. But to be sure I still sent a message to the guy .

I sent a message to his pastor on Facebook and sent the photo of the guy i was praying for if it was his member Jeff. At this time I was very convince it was Jeff . But the pastor said it was him . I posted the testimony on nairaland.

You gave a video of someone being healed of HIV, his testimony and you gave his contacts. You challenged anyone to prove it false, and promised to pay 500K to whoever is able to prove you are wrong.

Yes on the ground that the guy I prayed for wasn't healed . The guy I prayed for in the video received healing but it happens that the guy I prayed for was not Jeff the Hiv man

Now after someone carried diligent and time costing investigation and prove beyond reasonable doubt, that it is a huge scam and lie, you could not honor your word and pay the 500k.

Firstly I was the one doing the investigation and paying the bills . And John himself who challenged me testified of my honesty . I was the one who sent someone to accompany JEFF to see the doctor when I discovered he didn't have the medical papers . If I wanted to tell a lie ,I shouldn't be investigating myself , I shouldn't have brought a real Hiv case . I could have forged papers at least . Truth is truth . There wasn't any deceptive intention.

Even the humility to admit that you were wrong

It was not from me . The guy was not honest . Because his pastor later confirmed he came to testify so as to hit back at his ex fiancée and to save his face . Because the church usually conducts Hiv test for those who plan to marry. It was during the test he was diagnosed with hiv. His fiancée dumped him. And he came on stage later to claim healing . I didn't see him in prayer line .

and confess that you can't (or do not want to) pay the 500k, you did not have.

The money is not issue. I have travelled to pray for the sick outside this country at my own cost. And refusing to collect a dime not even flight ticket . It was on the ground that the guy I prayed for wasn't healed . Jeff turned out to be imposter.

Although I have great admiration for Christ, Pastors like you are the reason why christianity nowadays is a huge joke. Tell me, did you go back to your church/TV station to let people know, that video was fake and the person testifying is not the original person?

It was only posted here. And I explained to the people here what happen . It's a simple mix up. But the dishonest people was the guy who came to lie at the altar of God . No video showed he was there . I would rather have used his own video . Why would I use the video of another when the mans video is there ? I only saw him the day he testified . And as at that time the throw back video used was not seen . The editor searched and searched and the only video that tells his story happens to be another man .

What about the kenya lady that your pastor and you encouraged to believe she is healed, who almost died because she no longer took her drugs? Are you guys even conscious of what you are doing?

She was perfectly healed . Nobody pronounced her healed . She testified with her own mouth here . The church had nothing to do with it . She was only prayed for . She got healed .
, symptoms stoped , she went for test , negative . The church was not even aware of her healing till today . They didn't show her on tv. She was the one that went on her own to the church in Kenya to testify. She came on nairaland abusing all Cec enemies. I even had to contact her privately and warned her of the vulgarity and abusive words she use . Her doctor even testified here for her. So what was the church gain? She was healed . Years passed , she got married , gave birth. Whatever may her lose her healing is between her and God. I know she had extreme issue with anger . Also whatever brought the ailment the first time can bring it again . Jesus said go sin no more let's something worse happens to you .

When she too ill I reached out to help . Because initially she still testified that she knew she was healed but how come it came back was her question . she could have been healed again if it's just an attack .I even contacted the pastor in Kenya and arranged a prayer session , she refused to go. Because the wonderful people here helped her destroy her faith telling her she was never healed . Finally she gave in and believed them . At that point no prayer could help. Her faith was gone

You mean better "doctored" proofs? Who will investigate them, when you could not honor your word the first time?

God power doesn't need doctored proof . We see miracles daily . Waiting for the right spectacular ones . That nobody can doubt .

LoJ:
With what happened to pastor Joagbaje, (who btw still owe 500k to a nairalander who debunked right here his false HIV healing claims) did you really think any informed faith healer nairalander would dare subject his claims to rational investigations?

What happened in the guy case wasn't my fault . It was someone else video that was posted.
You should read my post before jumping to conclusion. The person who was prayed for in the video was healed . But he wasnt the guy who testified . I still hope to post more videos with better proof .

lepasharon:
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If you don't pray about what is in Gods will and plan .it may never come to pass . Even if it's Gods will

MrPresident1:
Merry Christmas Joagbaje

Merry Christmas. Still waiting for you response sir

MrPresident1:
They are all here with us, Paul, Isaac, David, Joshua, Abraham etc., they are all here waiting for the coming of Christ to receive their blessings for a job well done. He is the God of the living and not of the dead.

Where are they ? . If they reincarnated When we're they born? How old are they now?

The day of trying to mix Iron and Clay ends on the 20th of January 2017

I understand you very well but how did you arrive at the day . How do you know it ends on 20th of January. You may be right but kindly carry me along

MrPresident1:
One thing you must know Joagbaje is that I am not expecting you to believe me,

That's not the point . Its about backing your teaching from scriptures. If you're correct I will believe.

I have had this argument severally,

Well not with me

I have proven myself severally, I don't want to disturb myself anymore.

Can a minister get tired of teaching the truth ? If it's the truth. If you ask me a thousand time of what I believe I will answer you from scripture a thousand time .

MrPresident1:
The Bible is full of reincarnation. .

Can we have at least 3 examples from the Bible

MrPresident1:
We are all waiting for the day. The thing is that we use a composite of verses to build doctrine, Paul says we are not in darkness that the day will overtake us as a thief, Peter says- do not forget the gathering of yourselfs all the more important as ye see the day approaching...so they had a time in mind. Daniel says that God will set up the kingdom of His dear son Jesus Christ during the days of the kings of iron and clay, the day of the kings of iron and clay will end on the 20th of January 2017, the kingdom must be set up before that date.

If christ will come Jan 20th according to your doctrine Paul and others ought to have been back on earth . And by reincarnation. They ought to be given birth to . So where is Paul now and others . Are they babies now or adult . Where are they living now? Isreal or America and what are they doing now ? Going to church to read their epistles and laff . I will appreciate honest response .

So when we combine Paul's you are not in darkness, with Peter's as ye see the day approaching, then joined with Daniel's it will be during the time of iron and clay, we come to a certainty of the period when Christ will be enthroned.
On or before 20th January 2017

How did you arrive at the date?

MrPresident1:
He will be here on or before the 20th of January 2017

Broda He's not coming January 20th. Let me ask you if January 20th pass and he hasn't come . What will you say?

MrPresident1:
The Bible is full of reincarnation. Paul unequivocally says he will be here when Christ will come back, how do you explain this when Paul died hundreds of years ago? .

It's as simple as ABC. And I and others have explained it. Paul was expecting christ in his time . And that's is the attitude we should all have . We may have evangelistic plan of 50 years to come but we live our lives as individuals as though the rapture will take place today. Christ may not come in the next 100 years but we are prepared if he comes today . That's what Paul was talking about

MrPresident1:
I have already proven it all on this thread. Elijah/John the Baptist is another example.
https://www.nairaland.com/2948312/paul-say-he-here-when.

Well I checked the thread and I observed you couldn't separate the difference between reincarnation and resurrection. They are two different things. Reincarnation means someone who died comes back by birth. There's no scripture supporting that . I believe others like scholar. . . responded to you appropriately already on that thread

I read only KJV Bible, I do not trust other translations, their motive is to create confusion. Imagine in church, the pastor asks people to open and read from their Bibles and 50 persons open and read 50 different versions, how can there be harmony? That is great confusion.

Strictly KJV for me.

This verse I quoted was from king James .


1 Corinthians 1:7 (KJV Strong's)
7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:


What do you say about it?

MrPresident1:
https://www.nairaland.com/2948312/paul-say-he-here-when

No Joagbaje, if you are willing to receive it, it is a verse about reincarnation I know mainstream Christianity does not believe in reincarnation but reincarnation full Bible. Paul is saying that he will be here, reincarnated here, living here when Christ returns.

Try read it in other translations. It all points to the fact that Paul was expecting the rapture in his generation.

1 Thessalonians 4:15 (TLB)
15 I can tell you this directly from the Lord: that we who are still living when the Lord returns will not rise to meet him ahead of those who are in their graves.

This is another scripture you may need to look at that indicates that Paul was expecting the rapture in his generation .

1 Corinthians 1:7 (KJV Strong's)
7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:

The Bible is full of reincarnation

Kindly prove it by references .

MrPresident1:
1 Thessalonians 5:2-4
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

Look at how that chapter started, Paul talks about times and seasons, just what I am saying here that the time and season is upon us, I have given no specific day I have only given a reference period. In verse 2, Paul says what we all know- the day of the Lord cometh as a thief in the night.

in Verse 3 Paul says when they say peace and safety, that is the signal for sudden destruction, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

In verse 4, Paul now says- we brethren are not in darkness that that day should overtake us as a thief. You see the progression? You see it? I am not twisting Scriptures as ignorant Image123 like to ignorantly say, I am laying it bare for anyone who is ready to receive it.

Brethren will not be caught unawares. Brethren will see the day coming.

Joagbaje, you have been woken up, do not let the Master catch you flatfooted and fast asleep

Remember that Paul was expecting christ in that their generation .

1 Thessalonians 4:15 (KJV)
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

Anas09:
No sir. Jesus appears once. The Trumpet sounds, the dead rises, the living gets cut off to meet Jesus IN THE AIR (He does not come down). Afterwards the PERSON OF THE ANTICHRIST TAKES OVER the worlds government. MILE TRIBULATION BEGINS. For 3 and half years. He will win many to himself using peaceful policies.

The remaining 3 and half years, he declares himslef God and demands open worship. The Jews will denounce him and cast him out of their temple. The Fake Peaceful Mask will be taken off, the real beast will be known.
The Mark of the beast becomes fully operational at this point.

The Persecution of the Jews will begin. At this point, the dispensation of the Jewish Nation (Grace) commences.

At the close of the 3 and hald years, Jesus returns with the saints, Michael puts satan in chains for 1000 years.

After the 1000 years, satan gets freedom, he rallies around and mobilizes his hordes for war agsisnt Christ(Armageddon), no one will even fight at that war. because only with the Word, the Master will defeat him.

Afterwards, the white thrown Judgment.

This is the true bible potsition .

Anas09:
Pls let me call in some brethren to help us treat this topic because what am seeing here needs proper treatment

Brother Charles.
Abeg where Oyeludef nah?
4everGod
Gombs
Scholar
Joagbaje
Jcross
Image123
I can't believe i can lose Warrior1 like this.
Promise10
Felixomor.
Butterflylion.

There had been 3 major schools of thoughts on the time of the rapture and they all have bible reference . But comparing scripture with scripture we can see the facts that seems most scriptural . But the idea. Of no rapture doesn't make bible sense .

MrPresident1:

1 Thessalonians 5:4
But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

The verse only deals with preparedness and readiness . The day won't come on us unprepared not about . Anouncement of date.

alchemist13:
In addition to what he said above?

1. Matt 5: 27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[a] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

The term "woman " refers to a married woman. Not a single lady. Single ladies are called maiden , virgins etc.

2. John 8:1-11 New Living Translation (NLT) A Woman Caught in Adultery:
I am sure you are familiar with the Bible passage so I will not quote it. Adultery can only mean this woman was sleeping with man other than her husband. Note that Jesus did not argue her innocence or that she didn't deserve the punishment but only that those who are condemning her were not righteous enough to carryout the punishment.

She was an adultress because she was married.

Anas09:
When he is married and meets a single woman?

IT's fornication

Anas09:
Ah, Men dont.commit adultery?

If a man meets a married woman it's adultery .

Adultery has to do with a married woman .

xolomonstrides:
Don't assume that I condemn homosexuality because of the old testament. I condemn it because the new testament says do not commit homosexuality.

On what ground did Paul condemn it? It's because the law says so . The law is the document of right and wrong. Paul had no ground to Condemn homosexuality except the law said so

Romans 7:7
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.


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Now let me make my assumptions . The bible says the old is nailed to the cross, the sabbath- which you not keep, the animal sacrifices- which you don't keep, the stoning if sinners- which you don't keep. All nailed to the cross. The deceiving leaders left all these and cherry picked the ones that would benefit their stomach and body.

IT's the condemnation and judgement that is nailed. Not the good deeds