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Start with your mosque .

It is possible, some who didn't have the opportunity to hear the gospel may go to heaven.They can't be judged by the gospel

gsuccess:
Joagbaje,
In Mathew 3:8 the Bible said a christian should bring forth fruits meet for repentance. And again, it is written, by their fruits ye shall know them. A born again christian must bring forth fruits of righteousness, not fruits of pollution or defilement or seduction or Lusting.

I agree with you

As well, if you say you are saved, be willing and ready to do restitution like Zachaeus. Return stolen things, in order to have a conscience void of offence toward God and toward men (Acts 24:16). Ask yourself, what is the motive of your dressing, to cover your unclothedness or to show your unclothedness, to show off (beware of pride), to seduce or to edify.

I agree a christian should dress decently and moderately .But the fact that someone dress inappropriately doesn't mean he is not a christian. Salvation is by faith not works.

A SEDUCER IS NOT A CHRISTIAN; A CHRISTIAN IS NOT A SEDUCER. PERIOD!!

A seducer is not someone who dress funny, a seducer according to the bible is someone who lure others into false doctrine.

2 Timothy 3:13. (king james)
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

2 Timothy 3:13 ( living bible )
13 In fact, evil men and false teachers will become worse and worse, deceiving many, they themselves having been deceived by Satan.

Seducing spirits are doctrinal spirits. I know some deliverance ministry used the term wrongly on ladies  who fit their idea of immorality. Actually what they ought to be dealing with is the Spirit of Lust and not seducing spirit.

HE THAT COMMITETH SIN IS OF THE DEVIL (1 John 3:9,8a
GENUINE REPENTANCE AND SALVATION FROM ALL SIN WILL DEFINITELY BRING ABOUT LIFE TRANSFORMATION THAT WILL PRODUCE FRUITS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS. SO, YOUR DRESSING AFTER YOU SAY YOU ARE BORN AGAIN MATTERS BEFORE GOD.

As much as it is good to dress appropriately ,Inappropriate  dressing is not a sin to God. Even if you appear unclothed on the road, it is not a sin.  The bible didn't say so.

James 1:26
If anyone thinks to be religious among you, yet does not bridle his tongue, but deceives his own heart, this one’s religion is vain

1 Corinthians 2:9-10 says,

“But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by His Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea the deep things of God.”

Here, the Apostle Paul shows us that the Holy Spirit searches the deep and profound things of God. The Greek word translated “searcheth” is akin to the English word “scan,” which means that the Holy Spirit seeks, investigates, inquires or scans through the divine counsel of God with the purpose of bringing them to pass.
 
The 11th verse of the same 1 Corinthians 2 reveals that the human spirit also operates the same way:

“For what man knoweth the things of man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.”

The Bible calls the human spirit the candle of the Lord (Proverbs 20:27); that’s where the light of God is; that’s where He guides you from. Therefore, a Christian who utters words that are inconsistent with the realities of the new life in Christ deceives his own spirit. As a result, his spirit will no longer be a trustworthy guide.

For example, someone might say “We don’t live past age forty in our family.” What he hasn’t realized is that as long as he continues to talk that way, his spirit will believe it and that’s what will be established for him and he wouldn’t live past forty. Rather, he ought to declare “I live a long, healthy, prosperous and impactful life here on earth, and there’s no death in my path” (Exodus 23:25-26).

Never speak contrary to the will, purpose and plan of God for your life. Let your words be full of grace, and void of guile and deceit. Talk heath, prosperity, success, and victory, and that’s exactly what your spirit will produce for you. James 3:2 says “For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.”

Corinthians 4:13
We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

Hebrews 13:5-6
Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me

Confession
I speak in agreement with what God has said concerning me. I live in the reality of my inheritance in Christ Jesus – a long life, full of joy, peace, prosperity and divine health, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Refugee 1:
I become greatly confused when people start speaking in tongues in our churches these days. You go to an all-speaking English church and during prayer time some people start speaking in tongues and no one interpreting. I remember the disciples spoke in other tongues (languages) to spread the word of God to these people. A friend of mine said it is biblical to speak in tongue at least once a day and I asked him in which tongue - Yoruba, Idoma, Chinese or which. Which languages are the tongues that some of these churches speak?

There is a difference between praying in tongues and speaking with tongues. When you speak with tongues ,you don't need interpretation. When you pray in tongues it's between you and God ,you don't need interpretation.

frosbel:
Please show me in the bible where it says YOU must HAVE A PASTOR 

There were Christians in the churches of those days who had the office of pastor ( shepherd ), evangelist etc, but they were never called by that title. For example pastor meant shepherd, who was supposed to feed and tend for the sheep, or Evangelist who was to preach the gospel etc .

By the way the leadership of those days was never like you have it today , where the leaders are cult figures and lord it over the brethren.

The logic of having many elders in the church was to counter false doctrine, prevent disorder ,feed the sheep, exhort, etc etc.

"Likewise, you who are younger, be subject to the elders. Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”" - 1 Peter 5:5

"Let the elders who rule well ( not those who lord it over the brethren )  be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in preaching and teaching." - 1 Timothy 5:17

"But you are not to be like that. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves." - Luke 22:26

"Are any of you sick? You should call for the elders of the church to come and pray over you, anointing you with oil in the name of the Lord" - James 5:14


The concept of having one man as pastor and the entire congregation looking up to him is NO different from what you have in the catholic church where the priest is supreme.

Problem is that if the priest or pastor is wrong, or falls into sin or mischief,  the sheep scatter and many lose their faith.

Stop preaching FALSE DOCTRINE.

Thanks,

You are the one that should stop false doctrine dude.  Your doctrine is against christ. He is the one building the church. You are attacking the structure of the church unknowingly , it is wrong . No matter how sincere you think you are.  The eldership of the church makes reference to leadership generally.  But among these leaders there is hierarchy . Among the apostles ,peter was leader. In the early church peter led. Then james the brother of Jesus  took over.There must be a head. It is Gods structure.he is nit author of confusion. You can't have several heads. God always deal with people through a leader. The doctrine you are spreading is satanic.  You give impression as though people should not attend church services. Not submitted to leadership. It is wrong. You can't make Gods people sheep without shepherd .

You attacked local church membership

Hebrews 10:25
25 Let us not neglect our church meetings, as some people do, but encourage and warn each other, especially now that the day of his coming back again is drawing near.

You attacked pastoral leadership

Hebrews 13:17
Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

Leadership is not lordship , but you manipulate the idea of leadership to mean lordship . It is wrong.

^^^^
You spoke erroneously about followership and You didn't comment on the scriptures I quoted. I'm waiting for your comment on those scriptures

@Sisi_Kill

Sisi_Kill:
Why on earth should one pray to prevent something one does not even think about? I'm not going out there thinking I'm going to get in an accident, which if I did think would call for me to say a preventive prayer. In my every day going and coming I take solace in the word of God that he's guide and order my steps. . .I believe this, I believe him so why would I go around praying to prevent something I don't even think about? I mean doesn’t the whole Preventive prayer thingy just perpetuate fear and isn’t that contrary to the bible verse that says God has not given us the spirit of fear.

2 Timothy 4:18
18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

It's not about nurturing fear it's about creating the right atmosphere.  Many a times people have bad dreams and they do nothing about it. But the dream could have been a signal. When the evil eventually take place , the say things like ". . And I saw it in my dream o" so that's why we speak words against evil and by that prevent such evil. It doesn't mean one has to live in fear. It is word of faith. Just as paul prayed above.

So if they still die. . .does that mean the parent's faith wasn't enough to santify them, despite the fact that the parent already has thoughts of them being born, growing up and becoming someone great, proclaimed with her mouth that it shall be well it her child because she's drawn strength on the word of God that says Commit everything you do to the Lord. Trust Him, and He will help you. Be still in the presence of the Lord, and wait patiently for Him to act and also believes that He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty. I will say of the Lord, “He is my refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust. In addition to that, she's taken several steps to ensure that it will be well with her child. These aren't the actions of a mother who doesn't have faith. . . so what do we say happened then?

We may not have the sufficient faith to deal with certain situation. We are still growing our faith day by day.  

Mark 9:23
23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.

There are some situations also that we can only respond by saying "God knows best"

@Sisi_Kill

Sisi_Kill:
I'm sorry but I don't get this power of the tongue crapola. Many things have happened to people which were never professed by the tongue, thought of or even imagined. . . So why did it happen?? 

It happened because the mouth was not used to prevent it. Apart from the fact that the mouth can be used to launch us into success , it is also used to prevent evil. Such evil could have been prevented by constant confessions of good things .
We should also refrain from speaking evil and curses upon ourselves. E.g. "I'm finished " I don die.

1 Peter 3:10
10 For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:

Or a baby that didn't get the chance to be born at all. . . what could he have confessed with his mouth or maybe it was his thoughts seeing as he can't talk yet. Oh I know! it was probably his actions, yeah the little dude kicked his mom once too many times that's why he didn't get to live at all.

This is a very good question and I hope the OP finds time to address it.

A baby in the womb and a young child has not reach the age of accountability yet . So they can't be hheld responsible for their life. The parents have the responsibility to speak over their lives until they reach the age of accountability where they can expresss them selves and be held accountable for their words and action. The faith of the parents sanctifies them for the time being.

1 Corinthians 7:14
14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.but now are they holy.

musKeeto:
With the recent surge of threads criticising famous Men of God, i have notice a warning that has been present in most of these threads.

'Do not judge. Only God can judge'

I have 2 questions regarding this

1. Are courts biblical?
2. Will lawyers/judges go to hell?

Further questions to come, depending on responses

Judges and lawyers are doing their jobs. That is justice and the bible is not against that. How ever the church has her own system of judgement. The bible is against christian dragging each other to court. We ought not to disgrace the name of christ in public especially to the view of sinners.

1 Corinthians 6:1-6
Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? 2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? 4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. 5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren? 6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers

@newmi

newmi:
@ Joabgaje
l am yet to get a reply l wanted to know based on your own understanding what your opinion was with respect to the possibility of the fulfillment of this scripture in Ephesians 4:13 "Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ" especially when one puts into perspective the increased difference and variance in beliefs that exist in the body Christ and more than ever seem to be escalating.
How can this "unity of faith" happen

Yes , I believe according to that passage that a time will come that perfect truth will be made manifest. The denominational wall will be broken down. And the universal church will gain ascendancy. God is doing that gradually . Doctrines are changing. Human doctrines are fading away. The spiritual truth is overtaking all . We are gradually seeing into the perfect light . before the rapture , God will perfect his church. One major thing the body of christ needs is to function by love. This is the greatest truth in the bible . That's the peak of spiritual maturity. That's one of the reason for threads like this. Many Christians don't understand the live of christnyet. They are yet to understand how much christ love his church. The body of christ can only be deified by love. If you really love christ , you will love those who are born of him. One of the signs of the rapture I believe will be the teachings on love.

Ephesians 4:16
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

Gsucccess
You should focuss on preaching the gospel rather than preaching condemnation and salvation by works . Salvation is by faith in christ and not in dresses and drink . I admire your zeal but get the perspective right.

bicici:
If no one inspire you,you'd soon expire.I've been looking for a thread where 'Iron could sharpens Iron' no assault or insult but purely edifying.I perceive this is one of them.God bless you brother Joagbaje.

Bicici, thanks for being a great inspiration too. I enjoy your thread on names.

Gold represent royalty. It stands for his kingship, frankinsence represents his sacrifice and myrr for his burial

it is gibberish oga joe. you wanna call it mystery. go ahead. the truth is clear. meaningless, orderless speech is inspired by satan. jesus didn't leave you with any of these tongue [in the cheek] speech. it is satan that makes it seemingly good in your eyes.

there are diffent communications in the spirit, paul talked about singing in the spirit and in understanding. Groaning is a level of praying in the spirit.  It is not an earthly language.

Romans 8:26
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

These groanings are part of heavenly communications. A man groans like someone in pain and yet he is speaking mysteries in heaven.

John 11:38
38 Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it.

So these deep sighs are not mere emotional outbursts . Its a heavenly communication. The holy spirit intercedes through us according to Gods will for the particular situation we are dealing with.

Romans 8:26-27
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit,  because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

So in eartly tongues one may communicate with others in an unlearned language supernaturally . But in heavenly language , some stammerings may be involved and it sounds as gibberish . If the power of God could be released through a groan , how much more through gibberish sounding stammerings.

Isaiah 28:11
11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.


So the issue is not about the sound but the source and the power discharged through the spirit

Principle of exchange is a demonstration of faith.

Every christian ought to be able to cast out devils.

Mark 16:17
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Its a fire from God. We were baptised with holyghost and fire. A man of God can pass the anointing to anything , cloth ,had ,handkerchief ,apron , water, sand etc

Acts 19:11-12
11 And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul: 12 So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.

dorox:
Thank you for your response joagbaje, I still don not think that you have addressed the fundamental issue that I raised. but i will start by saying that i regret the comment i made about you a couple of days ago, It was unnecessary and uncalled for, it doesn't help in creating the kind of environment where the word of God can be discussed.
The pastor in my post doesn't work and so are other pastors that i know of. anybody can wakeup one day and start a church, there is no regulation stopping a gifted public speaker that doesn't even believe in god to make money by opening his/her own church. My point is about accountability what do you do to fake pastors that have defrauded people of their hard earned income?

A fake pastor can't last, but we have to first define what "fake" is. We have used the word wrongly many times. Are we talking about a non christian trying to deceive people or a christian trying to Pastor when God didn't call him to pastor or a man of God who's doctrine we don't agree with or an MOG with questionable character.

Firstly people don't start a church as a business, church is about people , to raise them in God to fulfill their purpose in God , and to be perfected in the faith. Church is not about money. And of course any where we worship we give offerings to God. The pastor must worship God with his own offerings too. The church money is not the pastors .

If we have anyone who starts a church for a wrong motive. He has several problems. Even if he is a christian.

1. he is doing what God hasn't called him to do.
 
Hebrews 5:4
  And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God. .

2. for doing what he wasn't called to do, that means he had abandoned his own purpose. Which he will account for.
3. For his wrong motive he will be judged of God.
4. Because God didn't send him ,he will lack power and ability . He has title without power. If God didn't send you ,he won't equip you
5.people will leave him. If a man claim to be a pastor and can't solve people's trouble won't the people go somewhere else? That is why God confirm his ministers with the supernatural. Such people can only function for a while. Ministry is by the holy spirit. And it's a tough respinsiblitiy .

But it still depends on what you mean by fake pastor.

Marriage is marriage, which one is marrying in unbelief. And you should stop labelling churches as cults. As you profess to be part of christ.

frosbel:
My Diagnosis :
Stop following Christ Embassy, TB Joshua etc etc.
In other words stop following MEN otherwise you are doomed.

Your diagnosis is wrong. You will kill the patient

What do you say to these scriptures.

2 Thessalonians 3:7
7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;

1 Corinthians 4:16
16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

Philippians 3:17
17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.

1 Corinthians 11:1
1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

Every christian must have a pastor and worship in a church. That' doesn't take away the universality of the church . You must belong to a local church .

You may be sincere , but sincerely wrong

musKeeto:
Continue selling your lies for money. God will find our people like you. It's been shown and proven to you that what you're preaching is fallacy, but instead of apologizing and correcting your ways, you're determined to force everyone to believe this bullshit. I don't blame people like you though. Someone has to profit from the gullible. May God forgive you

What has names got to do with money. The guy quoted scriptures . Name really have significance in people's lives. This who had terribles names in the bible had the name working against them. Thats why God would change people's names. Name is a confession and prophecy.

God bless , the idea of the church is a work of the holy spirit . That's why we can't be dogmatic in the church. Because the spirt works in different ways ,but still according to the foundation of the gospel.

This way of doing things have become quite foreign in churches of nowadays, though it is not so different from what has happened in recent decades in the growth of some African indigenous Christian churches like (Aladura  C&S and Celestial Church of Christ) that I have personally experienced. E.g. in this churches, the name of a children is given by divine revelation of the Holy Spirit. My children got their names this way. This difference of approach underlines a fundamental distinction that must be drawn between the life of the earliest church and the way in which the Christian church subsequently developed within the Western cultural context from which most African Pentecostal churches share values from.

When I left the White garment church, I used to criticise it , but as I get to know better I see that God was in all . The foundation was pure and sincere Even though some haven't built on the word over the years ,some have embraced teaching of the gospel.

@buzugee

buzugee:
my friend you misinterpret the good book. ok first off it says as you quoted 'death and hell were cast into the lake of fire'. yes this is exactly what i said. 'death' is cast into the lake of fire. this means it is destroyed. this means the second death (physical death) will never happen again to the third who made it through because of their belief in God. at the same time you quoted 'and whomsoever was not found in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire'. yes this is also true. the lake of fire in this case will be the fire that destroys the two third in the world. isaiah 30 vs 30. the lord will make his majestiv voice heard. he will come down with all his might, with furious anger with FIRESTORMS'  ISAIAH 24 VS 6, that is why a curse devours the earth and its people are punished for their guilt, that is why those who live on the earth are BURNED UP and only a few people are left (the saved)

so as you can see bruh ? we are saying exactly the same thing only you are misinterpreting the scriptures. the lake of fire will destroy the sinners on earth and leave the non-sinners. once they are destroyed thats it. they are gone forever.

I think you are the one misrepresenting the bible bros. The bible never say that people will die in lake of fire. Death means separation from God. We were once dead in sins . That didn't mean we were physically dead.  So the second death is damnation from God. People won't die in hell, neither in the lake of fire. They will be tormented for ever.

Revelation 20:10
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

@unphilaz

unphilaz:
@Earswide

Regarding salvation, I like to think it is down to two things

1) Loving God
2) Loving your neighbour like yourself.

If we follow these two simple yet difficult concepts then our salvation is assured.

On this i disagree with u and this is not the Gospel Paul preached! Even humanist believe in this then does it mean humanist/atheist are having salvation?

Thank you. It's very obvious the guy doesn't understan salvation.

Behold, we put bits in the horses’ mouths, that they may obey us; and we turn about their whole body. Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth. Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth! (James 3:3-5).

A rudder is a small piece or structure of wood or metal attached upright to the stern of a boat or ship that sets it on course to a desired direction. The captain uses it to direct the ship wherever he wants.

The Apostle James in our opening scripture likened the tongue to the rudder of a great ship. Though so little, the tongue can accomplish anything – good or bad:

“Proverbs 18:21
Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof” (.

The life you have today is the result of your tongue-work; everything you’ve been saying. Your words direct the course of your destiny, positively or otherwise; never forget that.

The Bible says

“James 3:2)
For in many ways we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body” (.

Your tongue is the tool by which you chart your course in life. This means you actually have the control over your life through your tongue; you can determine the quality of life you live here on earth. This is the reason you shouldn’t talk poverty, defeat, sickness or death; rather, talk prosperity, victory, success, health and life, and that’s what you’ll have in your life.

Steer “your ship” – your life – in the direction of God’s destiny for you, with your tongue. Make a choice to speak the right words about yourself, and you’ll have a glorious and successful life.

Mark 11:23
For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.


Proverbs 6:2
Thou art snared with the words of thy mouth, thou art taken with the words of thy mouth.

Proverbs 18:21
Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

@Image 123

Image123:
@Joagbaje
While i reason with your plea, and to an extent understand what you're saying. i wish to restate like some already did that the apostles were not disagreed in doctrine, neither did Paul shield any ministry from Peter or James(still wondering what that means btw).
Also believers can teach one another where there's humility and spiritual growth, instead of the catchy 'leave him to his master'. That's why God gave His church gifts. The example is clear in the case of Apollus with Aquila and his wife.

Thanks for the illustration on Aquila and priscila that's what christian correction should be. I thank God that spiritual minded ones understand my language.

But for the difference in doctrines of the apostles , I will explain myself one more time in my next post.

Pastor AIO:
The up side of all the deceit and lies is that it tells us one good thing. That they are desperate and the reason that they are desperate is because they are getting exposed and many people, enough to prompt a reaction, are waking up to who and what they are.

Why would he fake multiple ids to vote for himself and pat himself on the back? Because there is no one else that would actually do so. If he actually had that many supporters he wouldn't have to invent supporters. The only thing wey dey pain be say many africans will not have access to internet to come and see how they are exposing and disgracing themselves.

I don't have multiple Id my dear, and I dint vote myself .

spamdare:
Enigma------


You say it must be done spiritually,
but dude, you can only speak for yourself.

I did not see you rebuke tonye-t for his arrogant and disgraceful attitude. Is it because he supports tithing?

I know you can't speak for him.  But you want to speak for others to criticize "spiritually" when some of your members spew filth and exhibit disgraceful and un- christianlike utterance.

Then again, you can't speak for them. But you want critics to be more spiritual.  That sounds like bias to me.
However I still commend some of your matured approach, unfortunatly same cannot be said for your conterparts.

Like I said to you once. This is not a church gathering where preachers go un- challenged, this is a site for EVERYONE, so ppl will write their opinions however they choose. Spiritual or not.

Not much you and I can do about it.  Which is good.

what I wrote , I wrote for us all. Including me. I said in some other posts , I once towed the line of responding back to those who cause offences.  I had left that level long ago. Even when i get tempted to respond as they do. It is not spiritual. It is carnal. We are one body either you like me or not. If you are born again .you must tolerate you brethren. Correct if there need be but it must be in love. Rebuke if there need be ,it must be in love. But the one that is the worst  is the unfruitful gossip and busybody we do. Especially of things we don't know. If a minister buys a plane  for example and it is of concern to you , or you feel it is worldly , if you want to discuss such, fine,but do it in an atmosphere of maturity knowing also that you may be wrong in your assumption . I will rather ask sensible questions of "why" than name callings.But when we call people 419 ,theif, etc. And yet you stand the chance of being proven wrong . It is really bad. How sure are you the man is a thef?

So I'm not against anyone talking. My own is let's follow scriptural rules. I said earlier ,If I see a man with tattoo on his body wand yet he is making impact by reaching gangsters for christ in their den. And I see these gangsters weeping under the conviction of the holyghost to be saved. who I'm I to condemn such a man for his tattoo and appearance? I may not approve of his appearance , but I must recognise his passion and peculiar ministry, he is my brother in faith. That's my point.

Acidosis:
People can be very funny atimes. What gives y'all the impression that the rich i.e Oyedepo is not a true christian. Oh! Because he has more money, you think he won't make heaven?

Thats the religious belief of many.

@enigma

Why should I try to shut people down on a public forum. If I introduce a teaching or a post here. I brought it open to edify and also to be scrutinised. But it must be done scripturallly. Name callings and insults is unethical in a christian discussion.

But on this thread  I'm only clearing the air on some issues that many may not understand. About different callings. We may have difference in doctrines but we must accept one another. We may have different ways of ministry . Jesus had different operation from John .

Luke 7:33-34
33 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil. 34 The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!

Those who didn't understand the operations of diversity of callings always call others name. As they did to John and Jesus. I thank God many understood my point.

Pastor AIO:
.  I'm not even really sure that you believe the things that you profess to believe.  But that is a different matter altogether.

I will be glad to know this things. 

As regards the speaking in tongues, I have a few tongues at my disposal, some relatively new ones and some old ones, and even bits of some extinct ones.

I guess you know what I meant. You only make mockery of the passage to avoid the direct answer.

While we are on that particular passage in the bible . . .

17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

I would like to ask you if you can drink poison and live and if you can play with deadly serpents.  If that is the criteria that you want to use to judge people then I am very happy to make a concoction for you and your minions and if you can drink it I promise to accept whatever you say for ever and ever titi lai lai.

He was simply talking about dominion over death. He wasn't saying we should go about looking for serpent . If situation arise and a serpent attacks me , Im immuned to it's poison or the food poison. We once read a post here of a man that was made to drink poison during jos crisis. He was given an option, to die by arrow or the poison. He chose poison. A mixture of cement and other things They poured it into his mouth. He pass out  but while he was passing out or dieing , he said he remembered pastor chris message on such things and began to speak it to himself. He woke up in the night and saw dead people all over. He survived. That's the kind of thing Jesus was talking about.

I cast out devils , I speak in to tongues .and if I find myself in deadly situation, I will live. As Jesus had said.

John 11:25-26
, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

. If Jesus considered jumping down from the pinnacle of the temple tempting God. I won't tempt God also by looking for poison and snakes