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wetu:
There is nothing in the Bible, nor in my post, to suggest that those promises are only IF we give.

The highlighted part is manipulative . I used the word obedience. Sin robs a man of graces, obedience cause grace to abound upon a person. So the emphasis on giving only is suspicious . Y

You seem to have a complete misunderstanding of GRACE. You seem not to understand how God loves us unconditionally and how we can please Him not to get something in return but simply because:

1Jn 4:19  We love him, because he first loved us.

No you misunderstand grace. Grace wont function for a greedy man. Or fleshly ruled man. They may function in the general blessing.

God promised us health unconditionally but there are deed of faith that will cause you to walk in divine health.

God has blessed every christian unconditionally . Either you give or not. Either you o ey or not. But one thing is being blessed another thing is to actually walk in the blessing or to receive it. Our blessing is a full package but it takes deeds of faith for a man to actually walk in them. The fact that God blessed you does not mean you will walk in them or recieve them. Sin for example robs a man of graces. Grace can abound or decrease.

Romans 6:1
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?. God forbid. . . ,

Many believe that every suffering comes from God. Sufferings such as sickness ,poverty and hardship.

Some people suffer due to their ignorance of God’s Word, and others do out of foolishness or some form of wrongdoing on their part. But suffering for the sake of Gospel is of high value in the sight of God. For example, it took a lot of missionaries to get the message of the Gospel to Africa. Back then, they faced many hardships and suffered severe persecutions. Some even went without food, good shelter, and other vital requirements needed for comfort. They had to put up with all these hardships just to bring the Gospel to others.

1 Peter 4:14-16
If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: … But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men’s matters. Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf


Paul testifies of his experience, the things he suffered for preaching the Gospel in 2corinthians

  2 Corinthians 11:23-27
. . .  in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft. Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one. Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep; In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren; In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and unclothedness.”

To suffer for the sake of the Gospel in this matter means that the Spirit of glory, and of our God rests upon you!
Every kind of suffering that you undertake because of the Lord will surely turn into a reward for you. So you should never despair, give up or feel like you’re suffering for nothing. When such things happen to you, learn to take them patiently and be glad because it means that the glory of God has increased in your life.

1 Peter 2:20 AMP  “…But if you bear patiently with suffering [which results] when you do right and that is undeserved, it is acceptable and pleasing to God.”

There are Christians who have joyfully laid down life’s luxuries, so that the Gospel will be preached around the world! They’ve consciously deprived themselves of life’s comfort, for the sake of advancing God’s kingdom. This is the right and acceptable kind of suffering for the Christian; where you make the choice to go with or without or to face whatever persecution may arise because of the right and positive actions you’ve taken for the Lord.

@ogoamaka

ogoamaka99:
GOD in His infinite plan and purpose has packaged a glorious destiny for HIS people. However many live and die without fulfilling and realizing their GOD’S ordained plan and purpose for their life .They die without realizing or fulfilling their destiny in life. Others die without fulfilling their destiny because they used their own hand to destroy their own destiny while others die as a result of ignorance. Psalms 82:5-7 "They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes."
Oh! When people who ought to understand fail to understand, they walk on in darkness. This is exactly what is happening to many people in this forum. Because they lack the understanding of GOD’S word due to their spiritual blindness and that is why they are misbehaving the way they do.
Others fail to fulfill their destiny in life because they destroy their own life and destiny by themselves. They do so by their words and action. When a man sells his soul to the devil and goes ahead to serve the devil and promote the kingdom of darkness, he ends up destroying his life and destiny.
Others did not sale their soul to the devil but by their actions and relationship are partnering with the kingdom of darkness unknowingly. See what Jesus said in Mathew12:30-32 "He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."
When a man by his actions and operations are doing things that are promoting the kingdom of darkness rather than the kingdom of GOD, destroys his life and destiny. By your actions and postings in this forum are you promoting the kingdom of GOD or kingdom of satan? That is, are you for GOD or for satan. When you partner with the kingdom of darkness you end up destroying your life and destiny. There are many in this forum that has sold their soul to the devil and many also partnering with the kingdom of darkness by their actions thereby destroying their lives and destinies.
And one way to silently destroy your life and destiny is to mock and abuse an anointed man of GOD. Also when you falsely accuse a man of GOD or lie against a man of GOD you end up destroying yourself. I know that the sons of belial and sons of perdition will surely react violently on what I am saying but truth must be told.
(1)Remember the captains of fifty and their fifties were consumed when they went to arrest the prophet Elijah, 2Kings 1:9-12 "Then the king sent unto him a captain of fifty with his fifty. And he went up to him: and, behold, he sat on the top of an hill. And he spake unto him, Thou man of God, the king hath said, Come down.
And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, If I be a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And there came down fire from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.
Again also he sent unto him another captain of fifty with his fifty. And he answered and said unto him, O man of God, thus hath the king said, Come down quickly. And Elijah answered and said unto them, If I be a man of God, let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And the fire of God came down from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.
(2) In Numbers 12 verses 1-10 Miriam got an unbar gained leprosy because she opened her mouth wide to speak against Moses. “And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman. And they said, Hath the Lord indeed spoken only by Moses? hath he not spoken also by us? And the Lord heard it.(Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.)
And the Lord spake suddenly unto Moses, and unto Aaron, and unto Miriam, Come out ye three unto the tabernacle of the congregation. And they three came out. And the Lord came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood in the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth.
And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the Lord will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream. My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.
With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the Lord shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses? And the anger of the Lord was kindled against them; and he departed. And the cloud departed from off the tabernacle; and, behold, Miriam became leprous, white as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, she was leprous.
(3) Gehazi got leprosy because he lied to the man of GOD prophet Elisha 2Kings 5:25-27 “ But he went in, and stood before his master. And Elisha said unto him, Whence comest thou, Gehazi? And he said, Thy servant went no whither. And he said unto him, Went not mine heart with thee, when the man turned again from his chariot to meet thee? Is it a time to receive money, and to receive garments, and oliveyards, and vineyards, and sheep, and oxen, and menservants, and maidservants? The leprosy therefore of Naaman shall cleave unto thee, and unto thy seed for ever. And he went out from his presence a leper as white as snow.”
(4) Also in Numbers chapters 16 verses 1-35 Korah and entire members of his families got destroyed because Korah opened his mouth wide against Moses." And Moses said, Hereby ye shall know that the Lord hath sent me to do all these works; for I have not done them of mine own mind.
If these men die the common death of all men, or if they be visited after the visitation of all men; then the Lord hath not sent me. But if the Lord make a new thing, and the earth open her mouth, and swallow them up, with all that appertain unto them, and they go down quick into the pit; then ye shall understand that these men have provoked the Lord.
And it came to pass, as he had made an end of speaking all these words, that the ground clave asunder that was under them: And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods. They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation.
(5) Again 42 children lost their lives to a she bear because they were mocking the man of GOD prophet Elisha who in his anger cursed them2Kings 2:23-24 "And he went up from thence unto Beth–el: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them."
(6)In 2Chr 26:19-21 "Then Uzziah was wroth, and had a censer in his hand to burn incense: and while he was wroth with the priests, the leprosy even rose up in his forehead before the priests in the house of the Lord, from beside the incense altar. And Azariah the chief priest, and all the priests, looked upon him, and, behold, he was leprous in his forehead, and they thrust him out from thence; yea, himself hasted also to go out, because the Lord had smitten him.
And Uzziah the king was a leper unto the day of his death, and dwelt in a several house, being a leper; for he was cut off from the house of the Lord: and Jotham his son was over the king's house, judging the people of the land.

(7) Look at 2Chr 36:16 But they mocked the messengers of God, and despised his words, and misused his prophets, until the wrath of the Lord arose against his people, till there was no remedy.
All these goes to confirm that it is very dangerous to mock, despise or abuse MOG because doing so may attract the wrath of GOD upon us and as well destroy our life and destiny.
What! Does it mean we have no right to criticize a man of GOD? No we have every right to criticize a MOG if he is doing wrong but we should do so with respect without abusing the MOG in question. But what is going on in this forum is not criticism but flagrant abuse of MOG by a group of demonized elements. This word may be raw but that is the raw truth because they have no conscience at all having sold their souls to the devil. You see these sons of perdition in action having formed a confederacy in this forum with the mission all targeted against MOG. One of them said that he was raised to expose charlatans referring to great and anointed men of GOD like Oyedepo, pastor Chris, pastor E.A. Adeboye, pastor Mathew Ashimolowo etc. Oh! What a folly guy, by his level of education and understanding he seems not to understand the meaning of charlatan in the first place. I leave it for you to judge.

Pls try as much as possible to introduce paragraphs to your long epistles.

@ Wetu

wetu:
Pastor Joe, I know that verse well:

2Co 9:6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.


But it's not what you guys teach that it should be from your payslip, God said from your heart:

2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.


And what you reap is not riches but sufficiency:

2Co 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:


And the increase is not in riches, but righteousness:

2Co 9:10 Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness;)


In other words if tithing works, Pastor Joe will increase his fruits of righteousness and stop changing his posts on Nairaland (that's like lying) and my tithing friend will repay my money.

I'm not trying to convert Pastor Joe to the truth but those who are reading should be able to see the light.

Firstly,The stand you are taking defeats your initial stand that we dont need to do anything because Jesus had paid the price. That's the error I was trying to point out. The blessings of God are connected to obedience. That's faith. If you don't do the word. You will not see the benefit. Even though it's the will of God.

Secondly I will appreciate you address me by my ID joagbaje

^^^^
I dont understand your post

apocalypse:
What the heck are you saying , what might be a sin to me in God's eye might not be a sin to another. Let me get this straight , if man A kills a person it might be a sin but if man B kills the same person it might not be a sin. Christians , you guys carry the cup for being the most deluded of religions

It's possible. Sarah lied to God , it wasn't a sin. But annanias lied and he died for it.

@Newmi
Thanks ,its true, You don't have to be born again to live forever. Everyone will live forever. So longevity is not. eternal life.

d_oracle:
If you are asked to say in one sentence why you love God, what will it be?

I love God because I am love. Love is my nature, God is love and he has put his nature of love within me. So I love him ,I love brethren because love is my new nature.

Most people don't remember to do that. Besides you don't need to get to church to pray for people. Most people ask for it religiously. And we accept religiously. It's more of a courtesy thing or the good religious feeling . But it not really spiritual. You don't just ask for prayers. If you want prayers, it must be specific. Those who ask for such prayers don't really have anything in mind. If you ask them "what should I pray about"? They don't really have anything specific. How can you pray without a purpose.

@op
God bless you. We need to educate Christians by the word of God of these evils. Many do it ignorantly.

1 Timothy 1:13
13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

John 16:2
. . . the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

It is a sin to speak against ministers of God . We hope they realise this in time.

Yet are gullible for write ups of criticism . But they do t believe in write ups of Miracles

wetu:
The richest African, Aliko Dangote, is not a Christian. The richest born again Christian is mostly not a tithe-payer but rather a tithe-receiver like Bishop Oyedepo, Pastor Chris and others.

Nobody is a tithe receiver. The church money doesn't belong to a pastor. A pastor  gives his tithes as any christian. The idea that a pastor spend people's tithes to buy cars and live in luxury is satanic propaganda .

A pastors wealth comes through his giving and faith. He must put the word to work in his life. People will always bless a real pastor just As he bless others by his ministry gift and grace, they respond to him in turn also . People build houses ,buy cars  for a pastor who gives. God will place his Desire in the hearts of others.

I know a tither who borrowed money from me and never paid it back. He has fallen from grace:

Gal 5:4  Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Story story. . .

Tithing doesn't work because God is not an accountant:

Rom 8:32  He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also [size=15pt]freely give us all things[/size]?

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Freely, yes, but it carry obedience. Why do you pray?  ;DEvery blessing in God is connected to obedience. If heallth is a free gift in christ and you live in sin, you will fall sick or even die. There is a law of sowing and reaping.

2 Corinthians 9:6
But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.

Tee_Jay:
Pro. 21:27 The sacrifice of the wicked [is] abomination: how much more, [when] he bringeth it with a wicked mind, Pro.15:8 The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD: but the prayer of the upright is his delight.

Pls tell them. We have some people who give tithes religiously . They say things like " I don't go to church but I always send my tithe."

@ogoamaka

(1)First before you start to be a tither, you must enter into covenant relationship with GOD i.e. you must first be a child of GOD. You must first be born again.
(2) Secondly you must pay your tithe with a clean hand (heart)-correct heart acceptable before GOD.

God bless you, ogoamaka. Many are dwelling on tithe argument yet they are not born again. God is not interested in your tithe at the expense of your soul . Salvation first

dare2think:
Poverty is not of God??

Who is the God of poor folks?

You tell me . Is there a God of poor folks ?

So, people who are not in poverty, i.e Rich and Middle-class are of God, but not poor people?

Are you asking a question or you are manipulating my post.

And you are speaking on behalf of God??

God doesn't make people poor. He makes men great. The devil and ignorance make men poor.

And you are a pastor?? lol, funny world.

I didn't say I am

If names have no significant ,why would God change people's names

@muskeeto

musKeeto:
Still no scriptural references, you do realise that people of other faith give similar testimonies,

What scriptures are you asking for

She has a freewill as a christian. She has a right to follow her conviction.

Papido:
Holiness is not synonymous with wealth like you rightly said but holy people have no reason to be poor. The bible said ''my people (God's own holy people) perish for lack of knowledge''. Wealth is information intensive. Whether you go to church or not, when you have the right info, you are on your way up.

True , poverty is not of God. It's based on ignorance .

What van of joint? And what is he doing there? Preaching to sinners? Or enjoying joint life?

I think rather that anyone who had been tithing Religiously before can now do it with full understanding . And everyone who had been deceived out of tithing have learned how wrong those teachings were.

Enigma:
Of course the above bolded in red is what the false pastors would say in order to deceive people. Compare with the below:

You and your oga Kunle are yet to show us where the bible mentioned false pastors. You are twisting the thing anyhow.

You love me .

KunleOshob:
@joagbaje

I am sure you didn't fail to realize that this topic is addressing the issue of anti christ pastors in the mold of your Oga pastor chris. I know you are also pastoring in that mold. Instead of you to reflect on these and repent of your evil ways you are twisting christ's prophecy to say something else. As prophesized false christs/pastors are already amongst us and you are one of them.

Ignorance is your problem , instead of raining abuses on me why don't you prove the point with your bible how I have twisted the scriptures. Besides the bible never talk about FALSE PASTORS in the church. This is your addition

Names needs to be changed because names are confessions and prophecies . When ever you are called by your name ,let's take for example your name means "empty head" or "poor man" when they call you that name . They are prophesying a curse and when you answer yes, you are agreeing to the curse.

Christ has become my wisdom . In christ we have become wiser than Solomon .

Can I have an audio version?

Papido:
@Dare2think, your question has already been answered. The only mystery in Oyedepo's source of wealth is the fact that people who don't know him one on one would even think of paying money into his account at all. The man doesn't even say thank you to those who drop this money. if you are familiar with his style, you would see that the way he talks should even discourage you from dropping any money at all. He doesnt beg and he wouldn't even say thank you for dropping anything. That is not conventional.

This is what we are talking about , there is grace upon a giver. Mysterious things keeps happening. The man who chops his own seed can't underdtsnd this . He will feel it's a make up story.

Have you received the infilling of the holy spirt ?

Jesus has been here all along ,working through his church. Evil gates shall not prevail against it.

Matthew 16:18
. . . I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.


when you receive the holyghost ,you become a constructive instrument in his hand. And not an instrument of criticism in the devils hand