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mostob:
You don't have any tangible proof for this bro.....short passes? agreed but not aerial balls please. Although, I might partially agree about Jesus. I remember Ramsdale almost gave him an assist against Leceister. Even at that, his penchant to drop deep doesn't exactly make him a good outlet.


BTW why aren't you responding to the other excuse of the recipients miscontrolling the passes? That was my first major point.

I just told you to check that name on YouTube and you said I don't have evidence?

Ramsdale that was finding even Laca and G.jesus in deep Midfield, Auba in midfield, Saka and Martinelli In wings is who you say no evidence.

That's because it's only one you named(, Ben White). All our players can't be miscontrolling in one match. If they do, then the pass is wrong.

We no dey hear of miscontrolling during Ramsdale time

mostob:
1. If you are trying to cook soup and ended up adding kerosene to the soup as part of the ingredients, will that make the soup more delicious? One of the reasons we couldn't play our game yesterday was due to Jorginho starting and I rated the manager low for this. What exactly is wrong here? Bringing in ESR was another naive move when he knew he was going to let Chelsea have the ball.


2. You're twisting this argument bro. When you brought in a player to provide an outlet and give you an option to bypass press, where do you expect him to play? Then going by your logic, Tomi was playing CF too right? Havertz in Midfield has not really clicked for us but why was he brought in? Why not Vieira? ESR? Trossard can play CF too right? Why didn't Arteta move him to CF and bring in Nelson? Answer these questions and you would understand what I'm saying.

1. So you are saying the above Is the big reasons why he should be rated 0/10 for team selection and substitutions. Starting Jorginho and subbing in Esr is the reasons he should be rated 0/10 In ystdy match?
If you don't see how harsh it is, then it's okay.


2. Tomi against Man city played as an attacker. It's a tactical switch. I won't be wrong to say he played as an attacker. If tomorrow, Tomi starts playing as Cf, then obviously he's a CF. Ben White was a CB and he started playing RB last season, nobody says he's still a CB.
So yeah, In those matches, Havertz played as a CF, it's no debate

mostob:
Lol... Statistically, how many of Ramsdale's long balls were accurate? Back then, most of his long balls were not even looped which made it easy for Auba to quickly knock the ball down for onrushing teammate. Laca may just drop into space and boom, Rammy would launch a low pass.



At Brentford, Toney, Wissa and even Mbeumo are players that are very good in the air irrespective of their heights. Give me one...like one player currently in our squad that is as good as them aerially. Moreso, most of Raya's long balls at Brentford were often sent to the channels towards any of the trio. Yesterday, he played the same passes but our players failed to control them. Saka and White specifically were the recipients. I've seen him played a lot of accurate long balls this season so this is not even a debate. The debate is his positioning and lack of concentration.

Watching Ramsdale playing long balls for us, you won't use height as excuse


Last season, Jesus was winning a lot of aerial balls because of passes from Ramsdale. Saka, Martinelli, White were winning and receiving passes from Ramsdale. They weren't tall players.

It seems you've forgotten how I always praise Ramsdale for being a modern keeper her during most of my post match analysis

mostob:
It is like you don't know the extent of the damage Jorginho did to our entire system yesterday. Yes, he started against City but what exactly were his contributions? Does that mean we expect Chelsea and City games to turn out the same?


The only match Havertz started as the natural CF among all the games I listed was that community shield. Havertz might have drifted to the CF but he didn't play as a CF. Whenever Havertz move to the center, Ode will drop deep while the wingers and Rice would all contested for the second ball. (this one na another topic sha).


BTW, what I'm talking about here is what each player brings to the team not a general comparison per say. ESR came in yesterday but couldn't influence the match. Against a team sitting deep and defending their lead, ESR would have 'cooked'. So before we started protesting against a player starting or whatever, we need to consider their importance to the tactic the coach wants to execute. That's my point.

1.My point was you saying he deserves 0/10 for starting Jorginho and for the subs. Everyone knows Jorginho is not that good but you can't slate a coach for putting in his best players bar Jorginho and you say he deserves 0/10.
I agree ESR shouldn't start cos presently the game would be too big for him as he hasn't really imposed himself this season.
But you're just only on ESR forgetting that Tomi, Trossard (who scored equalising goal) and Havertz (who had a good game) are all subs too.
Giving Arteta 0/10 for both scenerios is harsh to be honest


2. You called EPL game against Man city. Everyone knows he played as Cf when he came on.
Against Crystal palace, where he really influenced the game was when he was shifted to CF and he served as outlet for aerial balls.

That same crystal palace before the switch he was average in midfield.

tintedniggz:
You nailed your comments! I’m yet to see him prove in any slightest that he’s better than Ramsdale. Man can’t even command his defenders the Ram does

Lol... It's just surprising Tbh.

I had a really high expectations from him and the manner Ramsdale was dropped, I expected something premium. Mehnn, I'm disappointed so far but make we dey see sha

Mostob, watch "Ramsdale passing compilation of 2021/22" in YouTube. You'll see that you don't necessarily need tall players or height to give a good long ball. Ederson and Allison are good long ball passers, how many of their attackers had height??. None!!!(pre Haaland for Man City)

Just try and watch it and you'll see this your "height" reasons no hold water.

The reason why I'm even hard on Raya like this is because we already had a set system that was good and he's brought in to elevate that system. He was suppose to be the premium and from the look of things, he's our number one. I would have been less critical if they're made to compete for that role the way Arteta sold it to us

mostob:
You're twisting this thing bro.... Height!!!!! That's the point.


You can't be expecting him to be puffing the ball towards Jesus or Nketiah who are clearly shorter. His passes are not the main issue but the kind of goals he conceded.

When Ramsdale was punting it for us during his last two seasons, who were the height players we had? Havertz?

When Raya was adjudged to have good long ball accuracy in Brentford, who were the height players? Toney, wissa or Mbeumo?

Lol, so If Havertz go injury, Raya no go play long ball again?

And does he necessarily have to give it to Havertz? We have tall Midfielders and defenders bumping forward like Ben White, why is he not locating them. At least, Ramsdale effectively uses those group. No?

mostob:
1. The Jorginho he started is exactly what destabilized the entire team yesterday. And bringing in ESR in that kind of game was a very bad idea. If he had gotten his selection right, we would be walking home with three points yesterday.




2.City (community shield), Crystal Palace, City (EPL) and Chelsea matches are the games that exactly differentiate what Havertz bring to the team compared to ESR and Vieira. I just dey laugh when some here will be complaining about Arteta playing Havertz ahead of Vieira and ESR. Man gives us that physical presence we so much lack in the final third which none of the other 8s can provide.

Like I said it's only Jorginho that he started that has question mark. That was our best 11 bar Jorginho, so it's unfair to pin only Jorginho. When the lineup came out, nobody talked ill of the lineup and I'm not sure you saw it that way too.
Same Jorginho started against Man city, I didn't see you rate Arteta poorly for the starting selection after the match.


2. Isn't it surprising that the match you rated Havertz as influential (against Man city CC, crystal palace towards the end of the game and City EPL) are times in which he played as Cf? Same thing have been harping since beginning of preseason. He always always underwhelms in midfield (Nottingham forest, Fulham, Man u, crystal palace before we went one man down). This are match I watched and every single time he underwhelms in midfield

Anytime he does well, it's certainly when he plays CF and you want to use that to compare with ESR who just played his 2nd match in midfield this season from bench?

O wrong nau!!

mostob:
Bro... you need to start taking note of his long passes henceforth. I vividly remember White miscontrolling one of his passes yesterday. Moreso, he tends to go long whenever Havertz is on the pitch. Ramsdale was once a good passer too but Raya has more accuracy.

I go deh watch the accuracy again from now on and note am.

But it's really sad if only he tends to get accuracy when Havertz is on the pitch. If that's true, then his not really good the way he's touted to be.

Shegzdave:
Nice points you’ve given.. Partey should kuku maintain his no4 position.

God bless Arteta and the board for giving us Rice

I swear, I just hope he maintains and even improve on this form for us

mostob:
Rice won the game for us. That instinctive shot from him, not many players can do that.



Raya? I remember telling people to calm down and not to throw Ramsdale under the bus yet. Every GKs has their own lapses. His positioning for that second goal was poor especially when you consider the fact that he is short.



BTW, I hope this match have shown the fans the glaring differences between ESR, Vieira and Havertz.



0/10 for Arteta for the points lost. His player selection and substitution gave Chelsea a strange confidence.




January should come fast...we need some emergency transfer. Ivan Toney, and maybe another midfielder. Hopefully Timber comes back asap cos this Zinny no be am.

Lol...Arteta 0/10 for player selection and substitution?
This was our best 11 bar Jorginho and you criticized him for that?
His substitute in Trossard scored and Tomi tried. No credit for that?
Are you sure you aren't harsh with the rating?


Lol, na this match we wan use know difference between Havertz, ESR and Viera? Only one match shey?
Same ESR wey dey hardly see match this season but Havertz wey even don over see match dieeee. Haba na!!!


But I agree with on that January transfer. We really need a scoring striker. Jesus have shown time and again that he isn't ruthless enough (you saw that his free shot that nearly went to throw in). And we really need a deputy for Saka. Saka ought not to have played ystdy if we had a very good replacement for him

MSGAMBLE9:
If you remember the Barca game , he (Trossard) was the best player on the pitch that day...even at Brighton when lined up as left winger he will always drift inside as 8 leaving Caicedo and Mac Allister as double pivot...

Exactly.
I was thinking that would be something Arteta will incorporate entering into season this season but he just dropped it like hot oil when season started

mostob:
It was not the passes but the recipients. Most of our forwards are short. The few times he went long yesterday, we either miscontrolled the ball or the opponent won the duel.

Lol... Most of his long passes were just inacurate. I can count how many of his passes that went directly to throw in or just won by Chelsea players. Even against Man city too, same thing. I can't even believe our players miscontrol cos I didn't see any tbh. And even if I didn't watch the match, I'll find it difficult to believe it cos all our players are very very good at ball control no matter the ball.

Ramsdale of 2021/2022 season (his debut season), he was a beast even in long passes. Last season first half, he was very very good in long passes too(I remember our loss against Man u 3-1, and how he beats Man u presses with up long passes that's accurate, Liverpool first leg too is another good example).

The reason I felt Raya would bench Ramsdale is because I thought he's just a tier below Ederson and Allison in passes but so far, he hasn't really justified in my eyes why Ramsdale should be benched.

Ibime:
You like to chook mouth in Jogginghoe matter at Chelsea then. Na who wear shoe know where e dey pinch am. Taste and enjoy

Lol, I won't deny that I'm wasn't chooking mouth in Jorginho matter then.

My only issue is that even when he's playing well, you guys still find a way to make him the scapegoat and that's the only place I've been chooking mouth in. Last season, there were some matches he played well, even some of our fans acknowledged it

Itsrm:


Rice has been a steal for you guys. He was the standout player.

I tell you bro. Most of us wouldn't have thought he would be have been this influential since donning our jersey

Amoto94:
BEIN Sports Interviewer to Arteta :

“Mudryk has actually come out and revealed that his goal keeping coach Toni Jiminez said that Raya likes to come out and to loop it over him!”

Arteta: “He said it was intentional? Ah okay, it didn’t seem, but if they done it on purpose then credit to them”

(
@beINSPORTS
)

The same thing Saka said when he also scored that fluke goal against Chelsea 2yrs ago


But we all know say all na LAMBA!!!

Itsrm:
Yes. I can only wish the ball fell at the feet of your MCM Jorginho

The question is that would Jorginho rush and intercept the ball the way rice did.

Jorginho in Rice position and we won't even know Sanchez made a mistake sef

patrickmuf:
If Partey is not fit then the lineup below should suffice.

...........................................Rice...................................
......................Odegaard...........Trossard.....................
............... Saka..............Jesus........Martinelli..............

Jorginho was useless yesterday. It wasn't until Rice dropped back as DM after the removal of the clown that Arsenal had a foothold on the game.

I wanted you guys to destroy Chelsea.

This was what is reigning in preseason that Trossard was awarded our best player at the end of the preseason but Omorr Arteta no even dey think am again.

Arteta have so ditched it that I've forgotten we even used something like this if not that you brought it up

As for the penalty, while it's unfortunate for Saliba in that scenario (I mean his hand must be out if he needs to gain balance to jump well) but that doesn't mean his outstretched hand didn't deny a goal scoring opportunity. I would only disagree if the nodded ball was going off target (by projection) but if it's definitely on target then it's definitely a penalty.

Let's switch it, if it was Gabriel Jesus that was in Mudryk shoes, do you think it won't be unfair if thiago Silva uses his outstretched hand to stop a potential goal in the air and the reason given was that he needed to gain balance. Balance ontop our own goal kwa? How e take concern us?

And yeah, the ref understood he needed that hand to be stretched in order to nod the ball reason why he wasn't given a card(especially yellow). It's a known fact that any denial of any goal scoring opportunity attracts a card.

johnjunior39:
Do you get, I feel we have regressed witht his Raya dude honestly.

He cant even be influential to his defence. Nothing

Like throughout man city and Chelsea, my mind is always pounding any time he gets the ball.

Unless he improves, I prefer Ramsdale to him anyday anytime oo. Even the passing from back, I know how I'm raving about Ramsdale's feet since he came here. With Raya, I expected something premium way more than Ramsdale, not this shaky shaky he's doing.

Shegzdave:
Can we try Partey in that no8 cuz I'm okay with Rice playing that DM Position and moreover Partey have shot precision(at least the number of times I've seen him take shot they were accurate), nice spliting passes, some other offensive abilities.

What are your takes on this?

My take on this is that Rice should play the number 8 position while Partey plays Dm.

Now Rice can play DM while Partey can play that LCM but according their attributes where do you think each will be very effective in?
To me it's Partey in DM and Rice at LCM and here are my reasons


1. Rice is a good ball progressor of the ball more than Partey. Now I'm not saying Partey doesn't do so, but if you watch Rice, he does it frequently more than Partey even in that Dm position. And when I mean ball progressor, I don't mean forward passes. I mean carrying the ball and be running at a good distance before releasing it forward. And the good part is that Rice hardly loses possession when doing such.

2. Rice takes more Shots than Partey statistically and most of his shots are on target statistically. Yeah, Partey is good at shots but we need to know he only improved on it last season. I know prior to last season, I was always begging Partey not to take shots(the way Enzo is for Chelsea presently) cos he always dash the stadium the ball. But Rice Always have that effective shots for me even right from West ham and he's proven it here too.

3. The biggest of all is that Rice can find space in and around the 18 yard box. He's a very good space interpretor and he'll score a whole lot of goals than Partey if he eventually plays that role and Partey plays Dm.

4. Partey is a beast at DM. Press resistance, quick dribble, Quick release of passes for counter, nice and disguise passes both long and short. I don't want to talk about his defensive capabilities cos we all know that. I mean, to us, he's the best in DM. Why do we want to shift him away from there when Rice have all those abilities I just outlined to play further forward?
Just because of outside the box shots?

And Ohhh, did I tell you that Rice is very good in marking and stealing ball in opposition half just because he can read passes just before the opponents release it?

We have a big upgrade on Xhaka in our hands (something we've all been praying for). It's just for us to harness it and I'm sure no team will dominate our Midfield the way Chelsea did yesterday. If dem like make their coach read our tactics, the quality of all 3 (Partey, rice and Odegaard) will certainly shine through.

iamoyindamola:
Raya is actually better with feet
That yesterday match just get one kind bad vibes all round although Raya have been fvcking up lately you need to see him against city

You know I started watching him Against man city after my last match against Everton where he started. And he was that bad in feet against Man city. In fact, almost all the balls he got accurately (to G.jesus mostly) was after we had scored. Before then he was a mistake waiting to happen.

I asked my arsenal friends how he fared against Tottenham and aside that wondersave, most of his passes were erratic too.

Yesterday's game he was erratic in passing too. I mean, goalkeepers makes mistakes sometimes passing from the back, but his own is just way too much panick. Ramsdale doesn't bring such vibes at all.

See the pass he gave to Chelsea ystdy, two players were rushing his intended target yet he still gives the pass. Haba!!!

iamoyindamola:
We don't complain
Even though we were shit it will take more than 1 billion Chelsea squad 🤣🤣

Lol... The thing vex me ooo

iamoyindamola:
Omo I never see this kind pain before they really want to beat arsenal
Sanchez is their excuse but nobody for here blame Raya

This Raya sef, the guy dey give me palpitations wey I no even know say I get when Ramsdale dey keep.

The long passes wey dem ditch Ramsdale for, I no dey see am. His passing out from the back is always always jittery (he always seems panicky as if him deh learn the work). I can't even measure his saves to Ramsdale cos he hasn't really been tested so far(thanks to our standard back 4 so far)...

So how this Raya take better pass Ramsdale wey dem bench?. At least when Ramsdale bench Leno, the difference was clear

iamoyindamola:
We were also denied a clear penalty when Sanchez clashed on Jesus
Same mistake the mumu ref did in Man utd first game against wolves

That was obviously bad Tbh, the thing shock me as we weren't given that PK.

Kbs468:
Wao! What a game earlier this evening.

Unbeaten still intact

I'm glad we drew the game ystdy cos omorr we could have easily have lost it But.....

I'm not too effused about this unbeaten ish. I mean, Man city have lost two matches yet we're still the same points just because we drew 3 matches.

It means 2 losses is equivalent to 3 draws.
Sometimes this unbeaten na scam!!

Hahh!!!!

Spy360:
We started playing better when Rice dropped to DM and Havertz took the 8 position. Havertz simply kept Enzo and Caicedo on lock which allowed the team to flow

While I agree Havertz helped but I think we played better due to Chelsea gifting us the first goal. It's always known that a 2 goal lead is a very very dangerous lead. Worse still was that we didn't even have to stress ourselves to score that first goal, they literally gave us.

Nothing can be more demoralising to a team that conceded in that manner and nothing can be more motivating to a team was gifted a goal in that manner. It's normal in football. It's just up to arsenal to ride with the wave because they(Chelsea) will be panicky and I'm grateful we obviously did

Roland17:
Odegaard needs to start imposing himself when opposing tactics work against him, he has the quality to do that.

Saka had a horrible game but when it mattered, he imposed himself and forced the issue with that intelligent play for the assist. Odegaard no even wan try anything different. He kept running into cluttered space which was exactly what Poch wanted.

Jorg did not help matters with his constant back passing which ensured Chelsea either stayed compact or reset their press formation.

Lol, Odegaard simply just gave up. That was really shocking to be honest. The last two seasons consecutively, you'll see Odegaard trying to make things happen even dropping deep and demanding for the ball. Yesterday, he just wasn't interested. The second half was even worse. I didn't even see him at all. At least Jorginho will play back and form activity that he wants to tackle just for camera to catch him.... But Odegaard?, He just ghosted. It's shocking to say it.

Is it fatigue?

iamoyindamola:
Na why I no bother quote am

Lol... Okayy.

iamoyindamola:
Looking at the mumu profile you can't say if it's a he or a she

Lol, I think say you agree say you no go dey give this Kain people relevance na

Lush100:
@Jod.era welcome back.
And may God bless your well.being and may your pocket be replenished in jesus name.

Amen and God bless you too bro. I really appreciate. Thank a lot.

iamoyindamola:
If you are jumping won't your hands be stretched?

Of course, they know this that's why he wasn't carded.

He his hand denied a clear scoring opportunity, that was what was penalised