European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 2:47pm On Aug 24, 2023 |
odizeey: That's two years. Including the "minor" overhauling  Which one be minor overhauling again  Buying 3 players in 1-2 windows don turn overhauling?  |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Jodera: 2:39pm On Aug 24, 2023 |
Roland17: Stop it fam! If you truly know the history of this club, our finances and transition of ownership and stadium you will not type this thing u typed.
Wenger kept us competitive for as long as he could with our realities. Arsenal director Lord Harris claimed that arsenal can buy any player in the world and that they were much financial muscle in the bank. This is a director from arsenal oo, not tabloids, not journalist, not fake news. Here's one of the quotes " You could say to Arsene we've got no money and he wouldn't worry, or you could give him £100m and he might not spend it". Guess what, few years later, Wenger still denied that we were financially capable. Omorr, I'm grateful for what he did for us oo, but there's this disappointing feeling that we would have achieved more since he's a very good coach if only he wasn't stingy |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 2:31pm On Aug 24, 2023 |
odizeey: Yeah. Overhauling his own signings.
When does your 2021 start and when does your 22 end Lol... I thought we already had an agreement. Year starts Jan and ends Dec. Using that metric, arsenal did major overhauling starting 2021 and ending 2022 |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 2:29pm On Aug 24, 2023 |
ChristoBam: When Rangnick started saying those things in the interviews. I and so many other people said the man won't get the consultant job.
The Hierarchy didn't want Rangnick. Ten Hag definitely wasn't too excited about working with him. No one would.
If the board wanted Rangnick, he'd be here now. I think the board wanted him but since they needed (or were desperate for) Ten Haag more and Ten Haag doesn't Ragnick, I think that's what resulted to their decision |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Jodera: 2:25pm On Aug 24, 2023 |
daveP: Me i see everything as not giving him money to execute what he wanted. If he was getting 100m every window, it will be obvious. But we were getting some windows with only 20m spent overall. That was a money issue. Not wenger. But i agree that he was stubborn o. But it was majorly was was given to him.
Years that we go wait till last 2 weeks of transfer before we get linked to anybody?? Omo Money was not an Issue, Wenger ambition was. He couldn't care less about spending high as long as he got that top 4. Ask yourself this question, which season did Wenger break back to back arsenal spending record? It's simple, it was the season where we finished outside his darling top 4 and it was difficult to claw back in. Forget that lamba Wenger dey sell us... Arsenal really had money to spend then. Certainly not like Man city but it was enough to keep us competitive but Wenger refused until it was too late |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Jodera: 2:21pm On Aug 24, 2023 |
daveP: Sanchez was a beast. The PFA cheating vos of Hazard summed it all up. Guy made the hazard talk look ordinary and we fans didn't need to shout it cos the facts were there. I don't blame Le Prof. I recall days we'll id potential buy and use 80diff price before we shift focus.
7m rejected 7.5, 7.9, 8m, 8.2, 10m
Plus all those guys that were using us to do see finish. They'll know we are interested but snub us cos we are Arsenal. Omo!
Very embarrassing years. Na the owners cause that wahala majorly. If they were giving wenger huge funds, what Pep is currently doing would not be so super impressive and that's just facts. But they failed us all. Smh I believe say na Wenger deh cause all these things. Like Klopp, he doesn't believe that any player should be overpriced. While Klopp was flexible with time, Wenger was very rigid and we as club paid dearly for it |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Jodera: 2:18pm On Aug 24, 2023 |
Spy360: Which 200m?
The fact be say Wenger wasn't given money. He had to sell to buy.
The argument is that, if he had insisted he would have gotten money. But he was the type that preferred the love of the owners to the trophy cabinet. One of arsenal Director then claimed that Arsenal have £200m ready to spend. No be dem say dem say ooo. Forget that lamba wey Wenger dey sell us talk say we only need to sell to buy. Same lamba he told us that we'll be cashstrapped because of our move to Emirates. Stingy coach |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Jodera: 2:14pm On Aug 24, 2023 |
sod09: Ngbo jode.ra them no give baba money😂 The 200m transfer nko Baba wey return 200m cos he felt squad was good enough. Omorr, I no wan too vex for Wenger sha |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 2:12pm On Aug 24, 2023 |
odizeey: Stop this twisting of facts chief. We have two windows in a year no matter how you want to look at it.
How can you have two Augusts in one year? Okay, I goofed on that. I was thinking it as football year. Then If that's the case, Arteta used exact 1year to do overhauling (2021-2022). Is it not what you thought was impossible to do overhauling in one year? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 2:02pm On Aug 24, 2023 |
odizeey: Wow. We now have three windows in a year. Hehehe.
From 2020 till 2021 can be two years depends on where you are looking at it from. Football season starts August and that's when most clubs hire coaches who wants to rebuild or that's when coach starts rebuilding if he came mid season. Also, we all know major transfers mostly starts August. So we Have Aug-Jan-Aug, which is one year for a rebuild |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 1:59pm On Aug 24, 2023 |
odizeey: Where is the link where Edu stared helping him? Well, you've seen that he once had a major say in transfer at first. Edu was signed the next season (end of 2020) as our dof and while I don't have the link proper of where he was seen to help him, Arsenal all or nothing series did justice to that |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 12:00pm On Aug 24, 2023 |
TrebleChamp: Well he is currently working with Murtough, i think his complete self believe is blocking his eyes from seeing the reality on ground. He needs help on players recruitment, but will he accept an experience football person as DoF? I don't think the board can force a DoF on him either, let him start giving us good football with the 8 players he signed. Well, he needs to start with the 8 players rightly so. At least, na him handpick dem |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 11:27am On Aug 24, 2023 |
odizeey: Ragnick says one year is enough. one year is 3 transfer windows. From 2020 to 2021.... Only 3 players were starters that Wasn't from Arteta (Xhaka, Tierney and Auba/Laca) |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 11:23am On Aug 24, 2023 |
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 11:22am On Aug 24, 2023 |
TrebleChamp: I don't think Ten Hag is ready to work with a DoF. He forced Rangnick out because he wanted full control, appointing a DoF now might lead to clash of interest unless their are changes in contract terms... I feel the reason why he forced Ragnick out was because he felt he won't be comfortable working with him. Perhaps if Man U employs someone who can work hand in hand harmoniously with Ten Haag, someone whom he probably likes and respect, then I feel he'll be open to it. Maybe an experienced Dof from you guys Golden generation or from Ajax golden generation. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 10:36am On Aug 24, 2023 |
odizeey: They have a director of football.
Ten Hag's condition was freedom with transfers and player management
Did Klopp and Arteta request that? Yes, Arteta did make such request. It was after his early failings with transfer like Willian and Luiz that arsenal have to review it and bring in Edu to help him. And both of them have major say while working hand in hand harmoniously. For some reasons, I can't send pictures here else I for bring receipts |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Jodera: 9:32am On Aug 24, 2023 |
sod09: The unbeaten sef how old was i  Na why last season enter me too because I never experience correct trophy as an adult na soso fa cup and shield we pack  |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 9:27am On Aug 24, 2023 |
odizeey: He said he wants complete control o.
If they got another person to take charge now them go say them no give am control. Him fit still get complete control but this time it'll be alongside the Dof. Klopp/Edwards did it perfectly before Edward left Arteta/Edu are doing it presently Maybe Ten Haag wouldn't have been comfortable with RR which isn't bad, but him go get correct person wey him go dey comfortable with. It's up to Man u to sign that person. I don't think Ten Haag will be that stubborn to that extent |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Jodera: 9:23am On Aug 24, 2023 |
sod09: I still they talk am I will never forgive wengay He caused me alot of pain Lol, just forgive am At least, him fit make you brag about unbeaten  |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 9:15am On Aug 24, 2023 |
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 9:03am On Aug 24, 2023 |
odizeey: How many players did you think we brought in last season? So we did open heart surgery last season na. Just only 3 were starters na if I'm not mistaken. Licha, Casemiro and Antony or am I missing anyone Modified: I just remembered Eriksen |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Jodera: 9:00am On Aug 24, 2023 |
sod09: Blame wengay nobody else The man was arrogant, hypocrite and power drunk Even a blind man know if we invested we would be unstoppable, imagine ozil and Sanchez in their peak having auba kind of striker Just forget the defence for now I am sure if our opponents score 5 we will return 10 that's how good those 2 were The man just use our emotions play thru turn us upside down those that invested reap the reward na Omo, no make us imagine abeg Person fit cry if him imagine am  |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 8:53am On Aug 24, 2023 |
eph12: Whatever happens, ETH has this season to make a statement. His friends are becoming smaller True tho... |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 8:52am On Aug 24, 2023 |
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 8:51am On Aug 24, 2023 |
afrodoc2: The difference is that Arteta had other proper football people that were advising him on how to build the team. ETH has nobody to do that which is why most of his acquisitions have been suspect. He brought it upon himself though. E dey very very difficult for a good coach to build the team without proper footballing people around him and advising him. Even Guardiola had Txiki on ground and I think Soriano too before he was appointed to take Man city to this height. Arsenal's downfall under Wenger started when Dein left and he had autonomous power. We went from steel to sissies at such a short span  |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 8:43am On Aug 24, 2023 |
eph12: But this was one of the condition he gave before he agreed to join Manchester United. I agree with you that we need someone really experienced handling the scouting and player acquisitions but this ETH is stubborn and a silent killer. He will have problems with anyone that assumes this role unless he realizes his own mistakes and limitations I think Arteta requested for such power too before taking the Job (judging from the way he was ruthless with the players while having backing from the board) but along the line he has to be sat down to see reasons why he needs help. Not as if the technical director will have the final say (like the way Chelsea was doing) but both of them will work hand in hand in harmony to get things done just like how Edu/ Arteta and Edwards/Klopp was doing. If it happens like that, I don't think Man u would have shelled out 60m to buy old man casemiro when you can buy good young Dm with same amount across Europe. And I don't think ETH will be so stubborn if he feels he'll be working alongside such technical director |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 8:32am On Aug 24, 2023 |
odizeey: How many players did you buy in 2022 Ramsdale, Tomi, White, Odegaard, Tavarez, Lokonga Those 5 out of 6 where starters with the exception of Lokonga who was playing at first due to Partey being injured. Tavarez kept our Tierney for most part till December. So that's half of Outfield players totally changed. I don't want to talk about the other ones that were bought/promoted by 2020/2021 which started the surgery |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 8:22am On Aug 24, 2023 |
afrodoc2: The difference is that Arteta had other proper football people that were advising him on how to build the team. ETH has nobody to do that which is why most of his acquisitions have been suspect. He brought it upon himself though. Exactly, I didn't even see this your response before my reply to Eph sef. The earlier ETH is helped, the better for you guys |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 8:19am On Aug 24, 2023 |
eph12: How much has Arteta spent at Arsenal? How much has ETH spent in just a year plus since he joined Manchester United?
He already has about 8 new first team players without needing to terminate any contract. He has been supported enough to show some result. We're not asking him to compete with City for the league, just show some progress at least. A child they gave birth to since ETH joined don dey waka I just feel you people need a good technical director to support ETH sha cos him go still make mistakes. Arteta at first was the one doing point and kill for players and he was landing Willian and Luiz for us until Edu was appointed and they have to go back to drawing board while clearing their earlier mistakes (Willian and Luiz) I feel ETH might tow same part if he doesn't get a helping hand no matter the amount spent |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Jodera: 7:57am On Aug 24, 2023 |
mostob: The performance are not different.
A single moment where we lost concentration almost cost us against Forest. Tomi's red card made us sweat against Palace.
If our performance against Villa was so convincing, we should have won them convincingly. It is what it is. You don't always win all your convincing match convincingly. There are some matches were you'll play poorly and you'll still wallop the opponent. Football is funny like that and you know that reason why I'm always emphasizing about process and fundamentals. Anyways, let's put this to rest. Hopefully, we'll play a very good game against Fulham were we'll all agree that this is a convincing performance  |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 7:52am On Aug 24, 2023 |
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 7:43am On Aug 24, 2023 |
ChristineC: Arterta that was cancelling contracts and banishing players to force them out not giving a damn, even though he was struggling to make it to European spots on the table. this is recent memory and facts are being twisted already. whatever the plan was or is for a new manager, you need the full backing of the board. when you get half-hazard blinkers, the atmosphere won't be right. I'm surprised some fans still believe the solution is to keep sacking. we hope for castles in the air. it is not a coincidence that several managers are failing at the club after SAF. they cannot all be bad, and all managers cannot be strong in all areas. that's why football people around the club are also important. Ten Hag is showing a weakness trusting new talents or scouting report for whatever reason. it is the duty of the club to bring it together and say alright you need help in this or that area, here and here are administrative recommendations. a citation at the model that brought him success at his former employment or structures that are proving to be a success in other clubs in the EPL. stories like Maguire and Bailly are refusing to leave doesn't help. they put these things out there because they are not willing to invest in the team. Man United can think they are champions in PR stunts but it is a ridicule and more serious minded players will look elsewhere. constant overspending on average players will only provide temporary succour till it all falls apart. What you said here are real facts. The backing of the board in the gaffer's plans and subsequent appointment of the rights heads In appropriate places is really essential for any coach's success else they'll just be beating around the bush and sacking unnecessarily. I'm certain if Arteta was in Man u, dem for don sack am since and people everywhere would be thinking Arteta is a bad coach. Imagine Ten Haag asking 80% of Man u players contract be terminated (at a loss o) and that funds will be needed to buy new ones. Maybe na that day that day, Ten Haag go receive him sack letter  You people need appropriate good administrative heads and better money to help Ten Haag since he's a good coach else you guys might just be running in circles |