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Ellexy:
Same with Havertz. Look at the CL final.

Lol, for you to use 3 ago something to make a case tells me all I need to know

Mostob lemme tell you. If we'd use our normal formation, it would have been Rice and Partey in midfield. Once we went ahead, those two would have given us solidity and in Gab/Saliba, we would have held on especially when we were one man advantage.

But guess what, since We went need a goal, he removed Partey (because he's a RB) to put Zinny and when we were 2-1 up, we were light in midfield defensively (Rice, Viera and Odegaard) reason why Fulham were successful in aerial ball(something that wouldn't have happened If Partey was present with rice and he didn't play the FB role). To correct that, Arteta put in Jorginho, a supposed DM who's weak defensively. To see out the win, Jorginho would have joined Partey and Rice In Midfield but the mistake of removing Partey disbalanced everything.

In defence, Our CB also was still a big step down with Kiwi who's not good aerially and not confident enough like Gab and his side was exploited to good effect. I mean Kiwi and Zinny are the weak areas in our defence and that's where Fulham targeted.


If only we had stuck with our Standard last season formation, Fulham wouldn't have gotten back into this game no matter what. But the earlier formation and personnel scattered everything

This is why I said it's fundamental and structural.

So many things wrong

Defence
Gabriel and Saliba was very very strong last season which helped us nullify attack

This season, Saliba and White/Kiwi isn't as strong, Fast or aerially good as Gab/Sali. In fact, Kiwi is so so inferior.

Partey is not good at Inverted role and is limiting him. That's 3 places weak because of wrong/inferior personnel.

Midfield
Xhaka and Partey was a good combo. Both guys give solidity and creativity

Rice and Havertz are weak combo. Havertz is weak in everything solidity and creativity.

We might dominate and dominate because of the quality of the players but we'll always be on the edge once shii gets real.

mostob:
Thank you. I think where there is misunderstanding is that we are not really conversant with the whole inverting stuffs. When we have the ball, our formation changes to 3-5-2 with one FB inverting. Zinny did it last season.

However, when Zinny inverts, the other must be capable of playing as the RCB. White played the role perfectly last season too. Also, he comfortably overlaps when situation demands.

This season, Arteta want to improvise and try the right side which is why Partey is playing as RB. We don't have a RB similar to Zinny. Timber was brought in for this but unfortunately he got injured. TBH, he was not that impressive in the role in preseason.

Now, if Partey inverts from the right, the LB must be someone who is comfortable as a LB as well as a LCB. Timber, Tomiyasu and Kiwior are perfect for this role. Gabriel can't overlap which is why he is getting benched. Timber is injured and Tomi is suspended...this is why Kiwior started today's match.

I really hope some of us understand this and stop having the insinuation that Arteta is tweaking the team to accommodate Havertz.

I think he is just trying to be flexible and be unpredictable that's why he is shifting to the right.

Nobody says he shouldn't do RB invert if he wants to do, but he shouldn't be weakening two areas of the team (and more areas) when doing that.

Playing Inverted is a skill on its own. The FB knows when to invert and when to overlap. He should also be good driving forward and knowing when to drop back. It's not just about Entering Midfield. Ask yourself, how many times did you see Partey driving forward in the past 3 games? How many times do you see him overlapping and making quick exchange with Saka?
Did you see the Big difference when Zinny came on and played that inverted role?

The big issue is that Partey can't play that Inverted role effectively and also the midfield is missing his utmost presence(two areas suffering).

That's what have been affecting us these past 3 games. I will also talk about the spiral effects on how it affects the team compared to last season

ObaIgwe1:
Actually Arteta made too many changes to our team structure last season that is affecting us.

There is no problem making one or two tactical changes sometimes depending on the opponent style of play. But Arteta has stuck to this his new formation that is not helping us since the start of the season and it doesn't look like an experiment, or a tactics against a particular team any longer, but this has become his new style of play. And I am not feeling it.

If you want to invert from either LB or RB using Zinny, Kiwor, Chamber, White or Tomi...fine by me. But leave our core CB alone if they are not injured. As it is, only Saliba is playing as CB because Partey is not there at RB so White has to cover his back.

Now in the midfield, I have no problem with him wanting to play 2 No8, IMO, we don't need Havertz to achieve that (still waiting to be convinced), we have ESR and Viera that can play the role with Odegard. Only our forward personnel are left unchanged, even then he still want to force Havertz there sometimes. It's okay to gamble playing Trossard as CF, and when it didn't click he brought in Nketiah..that is fine. But don't start a stupid lineup or keep playing players out of their comfortable position or keep the best on the bench for whatever reason.

We have our key players known for their best position and a good bench, if any player is having a bad day on the field, we have good replacement for him, but I don't understand the need of changing an already winning structure, not just for a match, but for 3 matches going on now....honestly it is looking more like a agenda to accommodate and justify the buy of Havertz at all cost.... I have no problem with him getting Havertz but don't change a winning structure just cos of him or looking for who to bench to accommodate him. It will not be funny for Arteta when the players themselves start believing this agenda.

Thank you very much jarey.
Na wetin dey my mind be this and na wetin dey vex me

iamoyindamola:
You get time na why I say na you they always bring them here

As long as he wasn't rude or disrespectful, I don't see any issues

Liposure:
why does Kai play as a DM?

Dm ke??

Honestly, I no know Kai position

mostob:
When I see Vieira coming in, e remain small make I throw away my phone. However, the guy really surprised me. Na that overhead kick shock me most. I was like, did Arteta exchange Tbag for the Vieira during off-season?


That said, I've refrained myself from going deeper concerning Havertz because I don't want it to be as if I'm making excuse for him. The guy vex me today...there was this pass he received between the line..all he had to do was turn and give final pass but may guy passed back to Rice who was already marked by two players. However, I wouldn't make early conclusion on him.

Omorr, I wan cry when I see Viera. I was like "where is ESR?"
I'm one of his biggest critics but he surprised me today. Long may it continue.

You see that bolded too? Omorr, as I see that thing I been just remember you and Spy,I been dey wait for Una defence


NB: in one of your latter post, you claimed Arteta did no such wrong and that it was the players that fvcked up. Hopefully, tonight or tomorrow, I'll tell you all his faults in this game

It was not individual, it was fundamental and structural. I'll tag you!!

kingofcasting:
10 against 11? Abi 10 against 9? You dey count Martial and Rashford? Abeg una get the advantage any way una wan look am. 😒😒

Lol... Rashford can still be dangerous on a good day anyhow wey you wan look am.(just like last season first leg and second leg)

Havertz? Heaven forbid

Fkhalifa:
Hmmm

In paper Rice is an upgrade to Xhaka, but on field, Xhaka's performance last season I know it would be difficult for any new buy to outshine him.

What Rice is giving us this past two matches is very very comparable to Xhaka. It was as if I was seeing Xhaka all over again.

The only difference is that this "Xhaka" doesn't have Partey by his side but Havertz

Ellexy:
I'm on my knees cos I'm already sensing a disgrace in that game.

no fear, Arteta go play that game 10 against 11 with Havertz inclusion

We saw how Viera, alongside Nketiah and Zinny came in to change the game.

Talking about Viera, we saw how he shone through with quality today. His off the ball run was what resulted to the penalty we won. We no need stats or coach's eye or go analytical school to know what he brought in today.

We saw that quality assist he gave to Nketiah and his overall play making arsenal play better. We no need go coaching school to understand what he brought in today's game.


But if na Havertz, we go dey need spiritual eyes to understand wetin him dey bring.

Omorr, this season no suppose long but Arteta just wan scatter everything

ObaIgwe1:
I hope this draw will be a blessing in disguise. Maybe our coach will have a rethink.

I am actually tired of these new tactics...last season we were more fluid and sharp than this, we are suppose to be better and not regress.

What has not broken doesn't need to be fixed. Arteta should let the formation with personnel that worked well last season remain and improve only the weak/injury points.

O God! this na our season o....let not our enemies rejoice over us o 🙏

With the way we played and dominated last season, I was so so sure about this season especially after the signings well had. It was a massive improvement, depth and upgrade on what we had last season plus the experience we had entering into this season. Coupled with how most teams aren't that strong, I felt we'll be one of the main challengers alongside Man city and if harnessed right, we can surpass them this season cos man for man, we have the qualities over them.


How he just scattered everything this season is what is biting me. I don dey shout this thing since first match. I wonder how a stronger team looks so weaker when nothing was left.

Arteta dey weak me this season abeg!!

iamoyindamola:
Na why I no reply sef
The question taste bitter for mouth

Roland17:
The kain anger wen I take read that him question, no allow me respond because na with frustration I for use respond and that will be disrespectful to him.

That question na real anger-inducing question. Nobody weh no go see that question wey no go boil

iamoyindamola:
So we spent so much to have partey and kiwior as full backs and someone is asking what arteta did wrong 🤣🤣🤣

Mos.tob na my guy, I just no wan use vex answer am

mostob:
I just want to ask a question.... what exactly was Arteta's fault in this match?

Omorr, na vex I take read this your question.

I no just wan answer am, make I calm down fest.

But lemme just tell you, EVERYTHING IS ARTETA'S FAULT IN THIS MATCH

Katcall:
Who's the better playmaker

Odegaard

Ozil

lampard

jodera

Jodera

odizeey:
My name is Ralf. I studied structural engineering. I'm the one man structure.

Odizeey, take it easy na

Jokerman:
11 league goals in 3 years for Martial & still at the club collecting fat salaries?

They are not serious at Man Utd.

They don't do season review?

sod09:
How did kolasinac manage to find himself a decent club like Atlanta

Same way we manage carry 65m go dash Chelsea for Havertz

Leyqute:
United can’t go for Overmars. He was dismissed for sexually assaulting female employees at Ajax.

Oh really?
I never knew. Thanks

odizeey:
You didn't talk about structure when he was working, doing cleanup, and the rest.

You didn't talk of structure when he deleted Ronaldo.

You did not talk of structure when he relegated Maguire.

It's now when we are asking of style of play that you are talking about structure.

You want to hide under structure now.

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odizeey:
Yeah. He overhauled Saliba, Tierney, Martinelli

Saliba is just like pellestri. If pellestri starts seeing first team shirt, he'll be credited to Ten Haag and not Ole for the opportunities. Pellestri never played any serious game for Ole just like how Saliba never did for Emery

I counted Tierney as one of Emery signings that survived the overhaul na

Also Martinelli/Saka would be credited to Arteta to cos they were first teamers under him.

larride:
I think Overmars left Ajax. We can try to get Overmars.

Exactly. If he'll be communicated that overmars will help him and that both should work hand in hand, I doubt he won't change his stance about the total control thingy.

Roland17:
I am sorry, I don't believe in tendencies, I believe in facts and no where did the quote affirm they gave Wenger any funds. He wanted Karim Benzema, did they give it to him? Usmanov, the 2nd highest share holder behind Kroenke rubbished this claim that Wenger was being backed financially. How did Arsenal pay for the Emirates? Did the board tell you how it was financed?

This is a link of Arsenal board restricting Wenger's transfer budget to 50M during one cycle. What the hell was he supposed to do with 50M in 2018?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2772177-report-arsenal-to-limit-arsene-wenger-replacement-to-a-50m-budget-this-summer

After reading the link and considering that it'll be Wenger last season with the club, I think that's a valid reason.

sod09:
That's one thing with Wenger if you show desire to leave he will sell you straight away
He doesn't believe player is bigger than a club to hold such club ransom I like that about him

Where I blame mostly Wenger for na few years after the Emirates move.
We had money to sign a striker which we all need but he stuck with Giroud.

Na why that 2015/16 season dey always pain me because we were very ripe to win that title

Spy360:
My brother, trying to convince these guys is like moving Olumo Rock.

Help me tell Jodera that Wenger in the early and late 90s would compete with any manager for any good player and he won titles too.

Wenger was just the type that sees quality in a different way like in Henry, Vieira, Toure, Kanu, Lauren, etc.

But he definitely was not afraid to spend.
I know how the English media reacted we Arsene signed Bergkamp.

Most of those signings weren't marquee signings. They were just quality low key signings just as how we bought them fabregas and Édouardo which was testament of Arsene good eyes for talent. The difference is that we were able to hold onto those players compared to latter years.

The signing and spending we're talking about is marquee signings.

ChristoBam:
No they didn't. I know what the conversation was in certain quarters before ETH was appointed. Mark Goldbridge did one morning show and ranted about leaks Rangnick would be let go at the end of the season. This was before ETH was even appointed o.

He was always going to be let go. Man was consistently ranting about a total overhaul. United fans foolishly didn't like him because of his performance as an interim manager.

Hmmmm... That's interesting

odizeey:
If there was a major, there would have been a minor.

How many players do you need to buy for it to be an overhaul

What does overhauling means first?

Changing the face of something shey?
So yeah, that's when Arteta overhauling started.

Those first 3 players he bought was just to IMPROVE the team. When he saw he couldn't work with them, he overhauled all of them join (including his signings )

Roland17:
Oyindamola no naa..

You forget before Kroenke assumed full ownership, we were managed by a board that had some nasty infighting about the finances of the club. When exactly did Arsenal even start spending under the Kroenkes? Was it not 3 or there about seasons ago? Was it not 3-4 seasons ago, post Wenger that we bout Pepe on installments for 72M or there about? Wasn't that post Wenger? After Wenger left, why did the fans stage a serious protest when the Kronke's expressed intention to join the Super league alongside other clubs purely for the monetary benefits? Was that also Wenger?

Post Wenger, even after Pepe, were we not still buying Chelsea rejects to fill up the squad?

Make una stop this thing abeg!

This one na Arteta palava.

We could have used that 65m on Havertz (a Chelsea reject) for better players and not because he Havertz was cheap.

We went for Caicedo even as much as dropping over 80m but fell back on Jorginho as a stop gap when we realized Brighton meant big business.

The Chelsea rejects na just Arteta wahala and not lack of funds like Wenger portrayed it during his time

sod09:
Bro you know wengay na
Very secretive and arrogant too, he will never come out plain there was money
Okay can I ask why do we have money all of a sudden after all it was same owner when Wenger was there
This was aan that went to officiate in Italy on deadline day or thean that went on spending spree after being humiliated by the scummies 8-2
Why are the board saying there's money the man always return it
He sent th14 out of arsenal when he was getting involved using punditry method
None of our legends associated with the club because of respect for him and they don't want to tarnish his reputation
Wengay portray the kronekes as the culprit whereas he the main villain
Why did he break out transfer record 2 times in a season if there wa no money

Na this one dey muse me.

Suddenly he could break back to back record to sign strikers. Same striker that was the missing puzzle and we were begging him to sign during our good years

Roland17:
And that is who you want to believe. Read that quote again and show me where he affirmed Wenger did not spend! Did any thing in that quote affirm Wenger was given 100M and did not spend?

Have you read what Usmanov had to say about the board and backing Wenger financially? Have u read about the infighting going on with the board and how Wenger continued to douse the noise by keeping us in the UCL and EPL? Do you want me to post that?

You think Wenger was happy about RVPs exit? Or the other stars he had to sell after painstaking development?

https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2009/may/23/arsenal-arsene-wenger-transfer-policy

He's one of arsenal's top board, why shouldn't I believe him. I don't think he'll make such careless statement if really there was no money to spend.
And if you reason that quote well, you'll know that there's a tendency for Wenger to return huge sum given to him(I mean 100m was massive then). Here's the full link tho.

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/arsenal-transfer-news-arsene-wenger-has-over-ps200m-in-the-bank-to-spend-as-gunners-ready-karim-benzema-bid-10412448.html&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjC4b-QufWAAxUXQEEAHTlJD9YQFnoECAEQAg&usg=AOvVaw1g6EUYWX0GmbCwKZynR6Bp


I believe Wenger had some sort of powers to get some things he wants if he wants to (esp holding on to star players) but basically he's too principled for be that.