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mostob:
I may watch because of Mbappe's saga. But I won't be as enthusiastic as I would be when watching Arsenal's.

... Lol, you see why I said I no trust you .

mostob:
I won't .... trust me. Messi was the reason why I supported Barcelona then and since he left the club, my mind no dey the club totally.

Lol....
Meaning if they do PSG all or nothing you'll watch?

Spy360, this is the sequence that led to the penalty.

The purple arrow is the direction of the ball

The red marker is the player(attacker) whom the ball was intended for

The green marker is Marc Roca. (your supposed 'dangerous' player)


From the screenshot we can see how everybody was looking at the direction of the ball(including Ramsdale) and how Saliba had already man marked his attacker before ball mistakenly hit his hand.

How will you look at this sequence (with respect to the direction of the ball) and say that Marc Roca (the one marked green) have an open goal opportunity and that the decision for Saliba to handle the ball is a good decision.

Isn't it ridiculous to think that Marc Roca who is faraway from the sequence is now the most dangerous so the best way to avoid that is by handling the ball?
How is Saliba handling the ball the best/last resort to prevent Marc Roca from scoring in this scenario?

You see why I said you're justifying PKs but you'll say I'm witch hunting you

ovoP:
truth is if most Madrid players played for us, alot of our fans will call vinicius Dan James.. say he doesn't know how to play in tight spaces like sancho.. dey will say valverde is fred all energy.. mendy cannot attack.. basically malacia.. Carvajal is too slow.. heck they will say kroos is too slow for our midfield...

Lol... You must be kidding sha

Vini can beat a Man, can attack... Can Dan James do it?
Valverde to Fred? Lmao .. The only thing comparable to Fred and Valverde is energy. Finish!!

Maybe Mendy to Malacia and I'll agree. While Kroos is already old and can be done away with but those two aren't even the core players.

We've Vini, Benz, Modric, Valverde. These 4, who can be comparable to them in Man u?

Spy360:
I used Saliba handball as an example of penalty missed.

Unfortunately it wasn't same for Gabriel.

Go and watch Tottenham Vs Everton highlights and see what led to the penalty. Pickford missed the ball and clipped Kane's legs. But again unfortunately Kane scored. Had he missed, it would have been a good decision from Pickford.

that's a wrong example cos he didn't intentionally clip Kane's leg. You're making it seem as if Pickford deliberately did that but it isn't. Pickford spilled a low shot and in the process of catching the ball back, Kane quickly kicked the ball away from him and commited him(Pickford). Looking at it from all angles, Kane even add dive join but the contact with Pickford was what made that thing a penalty.

If Kane wasn't looking for penalty in that scenario, why do you think he dived?

You're making it seem conceding a penalty is good and that's the issue.... It is not good!!

Whether the penalty is scored or not, it is not good!! There's a reason why attacking teams and fans scream for joy when a penalty is given and there's a reason why the defending team are always downcast when they concede a penalty.

That's because this probability of a striker missing it is very very very very low.

ovoP:
we need to score early in our games.. we scored 4 or 5 under ole, when we managed to score early... it will always open up a game.. teams don't sit, back full 90 mins even against city, but 1s dey get the first goal, there's a lot of space..

The problem with our play currently are the wingers.. they need to fast and direct and actually beat their man..

Gbam!!... This is really the issue

ovoP:
True you have to learn to break teams down, but even when Madrid play small teams, most of their goals still come from a counter attack or set pieces.. I watch alot of Madrid games, they never almost dominate all their games.. the thing is teams often attack them.. even almeria was giving Madrid fits.. courtour has been a blessing for them.. their games are always end to end, with a bit of penalty to Madrid.

Well, you might have a point coupled with the fact that la Liga hardly play deep defensive lines compared to EPL but even at that they have players with good ball control in tight spaces, penetrating runs and dribble that can beat a man as well as ruthlessness in front of goal. These are the things I think Man u lack

nitrogen:
This guy gets it. I don’t have issues with playing counter attacking styles against the big boys. Man Utd is struggling against small teams. If they don’t come out to play, we can’t score. Not sure we would achieve anything if things continue this way.

I think the biggest issue have been you guys attackers if I'm being honest with what I see. Sancho doesn't do enough especially in beating his man and making darting runs. Antony aside the goals he's scored hardly makes penetrating dribbles too(and he's too one trick pony imho). If those two can work on those abilities, Man u might be more deadlier cos I've seen that Bruno you guys Midfield have improved (Casemiro, Eriksen and Bruno). Those two wingers not deadly enough is what's making man u lacking that ruthlessness

ChristineC:
breaking down teams is not what the team will master after 15 games. I'm not saying we need to bunker by default, even now we don't bunker by default. the point is dominating teams is not something that will happen at the frequency our fans seem to demand in a few months. there will be moments and there will be inconsistencies. the team may master it or they may not, that's the manager's headache but antecedent say his team's play a certain way when it's all said and done. our play in front of goal have been profligate of late so fans complain we don't break down teams at all.

KDB has 9 assists or so from an xA of 4.5. he may well have an xA of 10 playing for us right now and have an assist of 2.

since the Liverpool game, I can count how many counter attacking goals United have scored on one hand.

the game against Arsenal, some fans were adamant we scored all goals by counter attacks even on this thread until clips started to show there were series of passes for the first goal. the Arsenal goal had three touches from when United lost the ball in our half till Saka scored, which was a counter press move, nobody cared. the same happened for our last two goals, fans celebrated and came online to not like it.

Tbf, I think you guys are going about it the right way as like you said, it's just being profligate and lack of ruthlessness that's costing Man u recently.

Games against omonnia and Newcastle is a good example and if that ruthlessness is there, then the confidence will easily rub off on the team which would yield better gameplay. It might not be perfect tho but goals will surely bring significant change in the way people view the team

Lush100:
Guys
Many strikers or forward players are having injuries and some will miss world cup.
Jota: liverpool
Isak: newcastle
Diaz: liverpool
Kulusevki: Tot spurs

Lesson. We need to rotate to avoid this scenario

God of wonders just deh protect us this season sha.

We haven't had any significant injuries and I hope we'll scale through this season

Roland17:
ESR's injury situation gives me concern. This was the season I was hoping he could establish his place and relevance in the 1st team but he has struggled with nagging injuries. His is projected to return sometime in December and I pray there is no relapse because he is such a talented kid that I want to see succeed, especially when you consider he is a Hale End product.

Get well soon bro!

I read he is suffering from this "growth spurt" especially in his groin region or sort which is a rare condition and that's what really have been affecting him. So he was advised to go on this surgery to get it done especially for his future seeing he won't be making the world cup anyway.

Since he's done the surgery successfully and he's healing, I believe we'll get to see the best of him from December/January. It's said he needs to be carefully managed and that's what Arsenal are trying to do.

He'll come back better

Roland17:
Ahhh....In my books, it is a capital sin for any coach to lose to Spuds, irrespective of the competition, I hate them like that You no dey see my activity for this thread any day when we dey play Spuds?

When Sol Campbell tore their hearts into shreds by turning down an offer from United, run down his contract to sign for us remains one of my happiest moments against Spuds. Baba even Zobo dem say he will never sign for Arsenal until Baba show up for news conference with Wenger (I will stan Wenger even after death because things like dis)...

Till today, they are in tears about that transfer... I love to see them in tears. Anytime we beat them or they lose, I always pray for the camera to show the faces of their wailing fans...

COYG!!!!!!!

Lol, I know say you hate spurs cos most of your posts points to that but mehn I didn't know the thing was this deep laidat ooo

Thank goodness say you no dey London, you for dey pepper dem for that city

mostob:
Not only him bro... Even me too.. anything apart from Arsenal,I no dey watch

Taahh!!... I no believe you.

So tell me say If Barca get all or nothing, you no go watch?

mostob:
Everything concerns the ref if the offside leads to a goal bro. Countless number of goals has been ruled out due to a player being offside. The ref may choose to ignore like the one on Sunday

I didn't dispute the bolded but what I'm saying is that ref never makes any decisions concerning offsides. It's only Var. Any other thing aside offsides (fouls, penalties, violent conduct or sort) is within ref right to check the pitchside monitor.

Okay, let's do this. Anytime an Offside call is being reviewed, if ref doesn't go with what Var says but goes to the pitchside monitor to check things out, just call me out.

Spy360:
This is witch hunting and taking things completely out of context

I'm sorry if I sound so but that's how it you made me understand it

If you feel that Saliba handling that ball in the Penalty area(whether deliberate or not) or Gabriel conceding a penalty against tottenham is a good decision for us to concede a penalty, then It'll be difficult to know how else to put it

Spy360:
In the past that handball would not have been given because it was more like ball to hand. It was not deliberate. Just that new rules demand penalty if any hand ball or ball hand (whatever it is) happens inside the box. Same thing happened against Liverpool and it was overlooked due to proximity.

Such fouls are not carded (I am not too sure though). That's what I wanted Jod.era to see.

That ball is never a ball to hand. How many handballs are deliberate?

Any any handball Is carded (whether deliberate or not), as long as it stops any goalscoring chance(whether it's a big chance or not).

That's the reason why Saliba was carded even though his handball wasn't deliberate.

And please don't confuse goal-scoring chances with open goal chance please.

Spy360:
I think you are taking things a bit far and making it sound like all I meant is that conceding a penalty is a good thing in football and wins you points.

You forget that you brought up a scenerio and asked for judgement on whether a defender should allow an open shot on goal or concede a penalty. Repeat.

Is it better for a defender to allow a shot on open goal (with only the keeper to beat) or concede a penalty?

My response is this, that coaches always asked their players not to miss their man if they miss the ball- this is a very common mantra unless you have never kicked a ball in public . My only drawback on this is the risk of getting red carded which must be considered especially if there's enough time to play.

I am yet to get your contrary opinion. All you have been doing is make me sound wrong.

1..If this is the question you asked in the first bolded, then the answer is yes. I gave you examples in Saliba ystdy who allowed Bamford a free run to take a shot at goal after his error even when he had the opportunity to "engage". I gave you another example with Ramsdale and Vardy with more recent one in Pope and Rashford this weekend. All these people had the opportunity to engage the attacking player but they preferred the player a free run on open goal and in the case of Saliba, he allowed Bamford a free run on one on one with Ramsdale.

2.. As for the 2nd bolded. That instructions work only when attacking players are outside the Penalty box and never inside. No coach will ever ever tell you do that nonsense inside the penalty box and that's the issue of this our differences. Even Simeone and Mourinho, two of the world's aggressive coaches never ever allow their players to be aggressive in the box. You think if Gabriel slide Richarlison outside the Penalty box, there would be backlash?

My contrary opinion is that, no team should try to concede a penalty, no matter what. No team should have a choice to gift his opponent a penalty no matter the situation except if it's last minute or almost last minutes of the game and it's an open goal . Anything aside that, penalty should be avoided at all cost

You implying that it's good that Saliba handled the ball just to prevent an open goal from Bamford is totally wrong. Worst part is that Bamford didn't even have an open goal to score from in that sequence leading to the penalty

Roland17:
I Dey gbadun you and @Jo. dera

But….I rather die or live in North Korea than watch anything positive about Spuds

The only reason I will even watch Spuds highlight is when they lose or are in pains grinding their teeth

Lol,


This your hatred strong oo

iamoyindamola:
Omo
Go and watch all or nothing totteham

I need to watch all or nothing to know whether Bergwijn ball for Tottenham?

Lemme put it this way, would you recommend someone to watch all or nothing —arsenal to prove that Saka balled for us last season. Abi how all or nothing wan show say Partey was very very instrumental to us last season?

iamoyindamola:
Are you saying bergwijn also flop at spuds
I am saying haller is a good replacement for auba

Bergwijn didn't ball at Spurs, everyone knew that.

If you still want us to consistently drag for 6-8th position, then yeah, Haller is a good replacement for Auba

Leyqute:
LooL. You be case.

What prompted me to make that statement was that Arteta dey always do agidi when e meet Liverpool. Energy to plenty. E go even fight the coach.

But at the end of the day, na beating e dey collect. The 5 goals wasn’t literal.

But he seems to be doing well at the moment.

As is everything with Arsenal, we wait for February

That "5 goals" didn't sound like literal especially when we all know say Arsenal (not Arteta) dey chop 5 goals on a steady from Liverpool.
But now sha wey e don clear, I don dey okay now : D


As for the bolded, I don mark your own say na Feb. Mind you I no dey drag for trophy, if by end of February we still dey in contention for top 4, I go come drag you.
So you can keep on waiting and hoping

ChristineC:
I'm still not sure why people always say counter attacks like it's now a taboo.
Real Madrid have won a lot of trophies in recent years scoring from counters, basically being a counter attacking force.
we conceded 3 solid goals against City via counters.
Liverpool won their last game scoring straight out of route one football. who cares?
I don't understand United fans especially. it's filled with swinging pendulums.

The thing is counter attack is not sustainable in the long run since most teams you guys will meet will not teams not set up to be counter-attacked. Even Madrid dominate small teams and try to break them down with Modric, Vinicius (most especially) and rodrygo. Man city are kings of breaking teams down as well as Liverpool.

Granted, you can score counter once in a while, but to make it your standard style of play is a big no no

raumdeuter:
Simple things like this dey confuse Popizaino

In 2018 was Modric the best player in Madrid? Yet he won balon dor award

If hens.ben can understand, looks like Popi.zaino is Even out-hensbening the original hens.ben

Lol... Na wa ooo

iamoyindamola:
Yes na
He left westham and suddenly appear in ballon d'or
Also his ucl stats is fluke too abi

Will he be the first Ajax player to appear in Balon d'Or list or have nice stats in Ajax?
We still dey look Vdb, De Jong and de ligt since they left Ajax. Even bergwijn wey dey average for Tottenham don dey ball Ajax again.

If to say you said he's to come as Auba deputy I might agree, but to say Haller should come as a main starter for us. Lai lai

Lush100:
@iamoy.indamola and @jo.dera.
The 2 of u be like Arteta and Auba.
Scammaca just started playing well.
Initially he was struggling, to the point they called him scam-westham.
He has started scoring in EPL.

While Norway dragon Halaand surprisingly hasn't scored 4 2 games running
Make the mata die oh

I don't even believe he was struggling since season is still fresh. If you check stats of Kane as at 3 seasons ago down to his Tottenham debut, you'll find out that he's Normally a slow starter meaning most of his first EPL goals starts around Oct or early November time. Yet by end of season he's always winning golden boot or contention for golden boot.

So is it logical for someone by September to say Kane is not a good striker?

mostob:
I disagree with this... Saliba was already in control. It is either he clear the ball or Ramsdale catches it. The way he handled the ball was foolish.

Like any penalty we concede now, Spy would always think it's the right decision and that nothing can be done to avert it.
If any team go with that mentality eh, relegation no go sure for them?

iamoyindamola:
Check haller bundesliga stats and every other places
Only west ham stats were low which i explained to you but you still use that to judge him
Between scamacca is 35m thats a big money move i except more just the way you expected more from haller while he was in westham

This is Haller bundesliga stats.

This is someone whom you want us to replace Auba with and take us to the next level . 9 goals first season, 15 goals next season in bundesliga (not even In EPL). That's person you want him to walk straight into our starting 11.

I'm not even fooled by his Ajax form reason why I told you he needs to go to a big club and replicate it. It was just unfortunate that Cancer did him bad thing.

Btw, Haller was bought for 45m, hope you remember

Spy360:
How na? You need to explain in details. I have told you the usual mantra coaches tell their defenders whenever they find themselves in such situations.

I have explained that a penalty call is better than a shot on open goal. This is because there is further room for that penalty to be missed. We saw an example against Leeds, if Saliba had not handled (though it was a mistake) Bamford would have had a clear shot on goal. The ensuring penalty was missed. That's why we won that game- knowing that we had already lost momentum and conceding again would have been very possible.

Like I said, the only risk is to get red carded but if the foul is a technical foul (just as on Sunday), then no red card would be issued.

I am still waiting for your elaborate explanation.

What do you mean by technical foul In penalty area. Are you justifying it was a right decision to gift that penalty? That we conceding that penalty was a good one because Bamford had an open goal? In fact, did bamford had an open goal leading to that penalty?

I don't understand how someone will say you need to do technical foul to get a penalty just to prevent a goal? No coach advice it and will never do such unless it's last minute of the game (or almost last minute) and there's no other option.
And for info, any 'technical' foul that denies an open goal opportunity is a red card. Whether technical or not... It's a red card cos that's the rule. You can't have it both ways.

You think if Bamford was really on an open goal, Saliba wouldn't have been red carded? (whether it's a mistake or not).

Omo, this is the first time I'm seeing someone glorifying conceding a penalty sha. Something all teams avoid no matter what and all attacking teams pray to have.

iamoyindamola:
You can't say it's too early to judge scamacca
If I ask you is Jesus playing well or not will you say it's also early to judge
I want you to own up with full chest
Is scamacca playing well or struggling at Westham
Just say you don't like Haller I will understand
This is the stats in bundesliga that you claimed he didn't do well
Check scamacca stats too that the person that's doing well

it's too early to judge Scamacca same way it's too early to judge G. Jesus, same way it's too early to say arsenal will win the league.

But as of current form, Scamacca is doing very very well. I don't know how scoring 6 goals in 14 matches in a Westham team is termed as struggling. Like how does that work? Are you expecting him to score 15g in 14matches in Westham to know he's doing Better?
For a team like Westham he's currently doing well. But whether he's a good signing or not will be at the end of season or towards end of season when we can assess him further.

Abi no be here Mustafi is called a flop? Didn't he shine during his first few months here?

NB: As for Haller stats, me and Blueray have broken it down for you before his move to Ajax. You only found your mouth again when he started banging goals at Ajax. All these things we don dissect them here taya

mostob:
Seriously, the VAR video should also be made available to both coaches. The ref only shouldn't be the only one to access it.

Even Var regulates what the ref sees how much more coach. Moreover, nothing concerns ref with offsides as that's really at the discretion of Var (reason why you never see ref go to pitchside monitor to have a look). So as long as it's Offside, there's nothing ref or even coach can do. All rights points to Var

mostob:
No, it is not legit. It was a pure offside. I posted the picture here na.

Lol, Var didn't see(or prefer not to see) the offside, if it was seen, the pk wouldn't have been given.

So it's the same way, if they didn't see the offside while we no score, why do you think they'll give it when we do?

Abi na you be Var

iamoyindamola:
The koko is you rated the guy on his Westham days which I explained to you cf struggle in Westham
Is scamacca playing well or not

if you go through that our convo you'll know I never only rated him because of his Westham stint but also his stint before west ham. It's there na, we argued it and brought out all his stats

As for scamacca, currently he's playing well but it's too early to judge. He's even benching Antonio, something Haller found difficult to do as a big signing for them