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Spy360:


I took 6 as a DM (some people say it's 4, but it doesn't matter because it's all useless in the first place) and 10 as an AM. A combination gives you a half 6+half 10 which is a CM.

If I know get the answer correct me na

Me I sabi laugh in Fulani o

Lol, you don see yasef abi??
Now you wan make I show you the correct terms wey dey generally accepted.

Na because of issues like this dem dey bring update on new terms come give am English name. Cos no football term be half 6 half 10

Anyways, He's a DM. You can call him creative DM or if possible CDM, or Modern DM. Maybe CDM might fit your satisfaction because of the C for central there which helps in him responsible for buildup and ball transitioning and creativity from deep.

While I'm always insisting he's a DM is because he's the anchor man(base player) in a 433. Hardly you see a triangle 433 that the anchor/base man isn't a DM and that was what Arteta deployed. I would have agreed with you that he played as Cm last season if we were playing a flat 433 but obviously we didn't and we aren't.

ObaIgwe1:
Fenerbahce have terminated Mesut Ozil's contract.

Brilliant guy with some attitude problem.

He should just retire honorably.

I like this guy well sha. I no just understand wetin be him issue

Roland17:
Absolutely! We have come a very long way though because in the past it used to get nasty and heated for days with no reprieve.

I have a ton of respect for a lot of handles here because of the way we debate/ argue. Despite our differences in opinion, we keep it civil and respectful for the most part. It does take a lot of maturity. There have been instances where things could have degenerated but I have seen cooler heads prevail.

Kudos everyone!

I tell you boss. I really respect alot of handles here. Maturity is really top notch.

Na real kudos to everyone. E dey rare!

mostob:
Na that second goal dey worry me sef....the way he stretched like lizard wey get menstrual cramp ehn.... Let's hope Rammy doesn't get injured this season o. And I don't know why Leno is going to Fulham who may likely battle relegation instead of staying around and play Europa league and FA cup. Match go dey na

Omo, that 2nd goal was like 1 on 1 reason why I wan even spare am for that goal.

But that first goal ehh, it's as if turner dey withdraw him hand as ball dey come. E just too funny me walahi

Me I know say Leno go wan go and I understand him. He's already in his 30s and such keeper with talents of his can't become backup to a younger keeper. At least his services will be needed with average club.

Na just make we pray say the guy we Sabi turn (Turner) no go dey act like the son of a runner oo(Runnarson)

mostob:
Exactly...na why I like this thread o. We too Sabi for here. If na another thread, the Partey argument you dey debate with spy go don turn world war 4.

Lol, na big War oo

mostob:
When you realized Turner is the one competing with you next season...

e dey always skip my mind to ask sef.

How that first goal take pass turner?
I still dey wonder how e take happen. Hope say we never buy runnarson 2.1 oo

mostob:
Not just bright minds... Matured minds...
When last we quarrel here sef

Lol, I no even remember sef.

That's one of the thing I even enjoy this thread well. We might argue, debate and always have contrasting opinions/ideas but hardly you'll see bitter name-calling or e-fight.

Na real matured minds dey here

Spy360:
Number roles are outdated and obsolete. Absolutely.

There are eleven players for each team on the pitch at the start of a game. That's all. Johan Cruyff ended all that use of numbers to define roles with his introduction of total football.

However, if you insists, Partey's will be a blend of 6 and 10. But even this does not clearly define his role in the team. In other words he is like a half 6 + half 10.

Lol, no anchor plays 10 or half 6 half 10. Infact is there any player that have played the half 6 half 10?
If yes, I would love to hear it.

As for your first paragraph, you see how ironic you sound? You clearly defined Xhaka as 8 and always says we use double 8s. You've most times criticed Lacazette for not scoring because he's a 9.

E don reach Partey own now, you don remember say numbers are obsolete and outdated

I laff in Swahili guy

Ibime:
You sef done see iphone17 problem. His self-esteem depends on being right even on the most trivial or light-hearted matter.

Lol .. make I no lie you boss, as I see that reply e weak me

According to him, we no suppose dey follow official updates again.

Spy360:
I never ruled out Partey's defensive contribution. My post is still there, dig it if you wish.

My stand has always been that Partey has the unique qualities to play that role and while he was injured the likes of Odegaard was tried there but did not work out. Which implies that they were not cut out for the job.

Secondly, I made clear that a players position is what he does not necessarily who he is. I gave an example with Xhaka playing in an AM position last season. One may claim he is not an AM but that's where he plays. You may say Partey is a DM, and will be correct in terms of who he is (that's not my argument) but what he does for Arsenal is a CM role ( which brings to bear his attacking and defending qualities- his pass for Nketiah in the friendly with Ipswich being an example).

Anyways, whether we stated it or not, at least we have a common ground of agreement that he does both attacking and defending duties well which makes him what he is. Whether you stated it first or not, I AM AGREEING TO IT.

Now based on this agreement, doesn't that mean he is something more than a DM? You call it modern but that's off key. He is a CM.

Okayy... Just answer this.

We all know that Nketiah and Jesus are number 9 in terms of role.
We know that Odegaard and Xhaka are number 8s in terms of role

What number is Partey last season?

ObaIgwe1:
That is another good possibility... Arteta and his team should link up with this thread to get good ideas from great minds like you and others here jare

Lol .. Thanks bro .
Plenty bright minds full sha, na why we dey always rub minds together

iamoyindamola:
It was here we complain that xhaka was useless in lb
Don't worry I will remind us when ESR fvck up

Xhaka has always being useless as a Lb. Have we ever won a match in which Xhaka was a Lb sef? I don't think so

ESR own was different. Martinelli started seeing shirt on the wings by mid December. Guess who was Manning that place in his absence and scoring those goals? ESR.

We've won matches with ESR on wings, he's not done badly unlike Pepe on the wings and most importantly, he's scored goals.

If Arteta feels he can play there and ESR is comfortable with it, then I see no qualms

TeslaFC:
Honestly, VDB wasn’t signed to bench Bruno. They were supposed to work together with a solid pivot behind them.

Things got to this point simply because none of McFred could handle the pivot role singlehandedly. The only person that could handle it was Matic.

I know that but some of Una fans no know this.

Someone's darling manager wanted to pair vdb and Bruno but didn't deem it wise enough to buy a good DM like Matic.

Darling manager!!

Spy360:
Here's what we have agreed on...

That Partey does both attacking and defending duties very well.

I will boldly accuse you now of being arrogant based on what we have agreed already.

This bolded here was the beginning of our debate and we didn't agree on anything. If we did, we wouldn't have gotten here.

You said Partey duties is just attacking in that role while I said the bolded. That's why anytime you're bringing dem Tielemans or Odegaard to play that role, I'm always insisting that they can't since they lack the defensive attributes to play that role (I didn't bring attacking attributes since I know they already have it) but you said it doesn't matter. You even said Partey is not focused on the defensive duties and I proved it to you that it was false. It's that defensive issue that brought about the DM-CM brouhaha.

How you now suddenly agreed on Partey doing defensive duties well needs to be studied sha. From nowhere to are now-here

ObaIgwe1:
LoL

We can have Saka/Marquinhos for now..

But Marquinhos is not Premier League proven so it will be better we sell Pepe and get another reliable right winger, before we have another "Lokonga disappointment" when we have to rest Saka.

Lol, thank God you know Marquinhos can't be counted for now and that's the main reason I did that triple questions mark

Another thing I'm suspecting is that Jesus might play that wing then Nketiah drafted into the 9 role. I believe that's one of the reasons again he was bought while marquinhos will use Europa to grow into the role.

Just my thoughts sha

iamoyindamola:
We need players in their natural position
All these turning like he want to prepare amala no follow at all
ESR scored majority of his goals from midfield why change that

Lol, but ESR wasn't doing bad when he was asked to play Martinelli wing na. Even most of his goals last season came from there.

Maybe Arteta trusts him to slug it out with Martinelli than with Odegaard Or Xhaka.

Not bad if you ask me sha cos na Saka side be my problem

iamoyindamola:
We don't need paqueta
This man is beginning to go outside our transfer
Paqueta is an AM why do we need another one
Viera is AM
ESR is AM
Odegaard is AM

Well, I think he wants to turn ESR to a winger to battle it out with Martinelli on the left side

If that's the case then it'll be

Odegaard/Viera, Xhaka/Paqueta, Partey/Elneny/Torreira.

Nketiah/Jesus, ESR/Martinelli, Saka/

Not bad if you ask me.

iamoyindamola:
Spuds want to sell regulion
He's way better and younger than Grimaldo though
Not injury prone too

I'm never too sold on that reguilon sha. Tho, I've not watched Grimaldo but if we need someone better, I'll pass on reguilon

Read arsenal are going for Paqueta too.

Tielemans or Paqueta which one do you guys prefer.

If I'm to go for one, I'll choose Paqueta sha

Spy360:
Why can't you just accept. If it was me, I'd quickly take a bow and moved on.

I have just explained to you and you refuse after seeing the clear picture.

You said Partey is a DM. I said Partey is a CM not a DM according to what he does for Arsenal. You said he is a modern DM. I asked if he defends in midfield. You said no, he also does attack. I said, if he does both then he is a CM. You said no, it's called modern DM according to some coaches. I asked, what makes it modern, because in the past people have done same, and I gave you examples. You said, it's English and coaches have used the term. I said, it doesn't matter if it's wrong.

If Partey does more than DM in this Arsenal team, doesn't it mean he is something else? Yes or no. Don't run, admit.

I've shown on this board countless times that If I'm certainly wrong over something with so much proofs and fact, I'll apologize, accept my goof and move on. I no stubborn too much to dey form agidi for head or to claim one unnecessary W, afterall we are all here to learn.

In this case,

1.. I've explained to you why someone like Tielemans or Odegaard can't play Partey role and why we need someone like Partey attributes, you still no wan open your mind
2.. I've explained and showed you countless proofs on why Partey is a DM and what DM does but you still no gree nor open your mind
3.. I've explained, used examples, quotes and screenshot on why the word "modern" exist and why it's an official generally accepted word in football terms, you still no gree nor open your mind


And the worst part is that you don't want to even give proofs or reason but you're just always stuck with your claim then start looking on how to punch holes in mine . This is just exactly like our Sambi-tavarez debate where instead of giving me points you just counter my already laid points

And the main reason why I even want us to end it is simple — the basics of that Partey's position is what we have contrasting ideas on.

Until we reach an agreement on that, I'm not sure we'll ever agree on that or even reach a compromise. Reason why I'm leaving it to time. You see it as running away, but I'm not.

Same way I left your "Nketiah will bench Lacazette before season end" to time and it favoured you spectacularly and also same way that you said "Sambi can replace Partey in that role as long as it's the same structure" and it backfired spectacularly.

It's also same way I'm saying let's leave this to time and it'll always have a way of answering all these debates. It's simple.

Spy360:
You are now twisting things. If he is a DM then there is no need to say modern just as I have explained.

If he does more than DM it means he is something else. Just admit it

Like I said, we have different understanding of what we've been saying. I even brought a recent coach quote using the word "modern" and I can even bring more for you if you want but you still insist that it doesn't exist thereby denying the facts.

At this juncture let's just stick to what we know cos it seems we won't meet at a point in this discussion. Hopefully, time will explain it better to one of us. Time explains most things.

LostMyZeal:
Simple.. . na why we say IF he doesn't adapt, then straight to bench

Very fair then

Spy360:
I accept that words are dynamic, but please don't claim them to be correct if they are not simply because people use them. For example, people refer to all northerners as Hausa or aboki, but that will never ever make it correct. So if someone tries to use the better term, don't tag the person as not dynamic.

Again, I am not against anyone using any terms, it's a personal thing, but people should not impose it just because it aids their arguments. There is a reason why inverted commas are used in writing.

Back to the main discuss, if Partey is a 'modern DM' as you put it and hence not a DM, doesn't that mean that I am correct?

Lol, he's a DM. The modern just means he contributes to attacking roles.

But he's a DM.

If I say modern GK, I can't think of anything else than a GK and more.

Meaning Partey is a DM and more

iamoyindamola:
Yes

Ope ooo

iamoyindamola:
Full squad tomorrow including saliba,saka,xhaka and the rest of the team

I read Partey will be joining them too

LostMyZeal:
It's baffling that you read all what I wrote and deduced that I've written Bruno off oh. You can check my previous posts about this matter and you'll see that I've been consistent with same message of 'bruno needs to work on his ball retention' - a message which his worshippers no like to hear.

You seem to have me mistaken for someone who hates Bruno oh. And then again, I never really compared Bruno and KDB. I have never compared them.

Feel free to check my previous posts and point out the anomalies and contradictions because at this point I'm confused.

What's even more strange is how you're telling me about Bruno's struggle - like Idg how it's relevant to what I wrote.

Walahi I'm confused

Lol, Maybe I did mistake you for someone who dislikes Bruno (not hate per se) at the expense of vdb reason why my responses are like that.

To me, I feel Bruno will adapt. I still believe vdb will come from bench and alternate with Eriksen as Bruno will become a mainstay.

Hopefully, we'll see how this season pans out for you guys

Debroslink:
I saw Eto'o win UCL twice without prime Messi beside him. Show us Suarez's exploits in UCL without prime Messi.

Etoo won one with Messi and won one with Ronaldinho. Suarez won one with Messi, maybe if he had Ronaldinho he would have two like Etoo.
Both won treble with Messi too

Shebi na Messi and dinho be Si unit of UCL win to know better strikers ?

Expert17:
Off ya mic, someone that can't start for Holland

VDB kor DVD ni

My own be say if e cast, I no wan hear excuse from Lostmy.zeal sha

LostMyZeal:
See ehn... Let's be fair and objective; VDB never really had the chance, plus he was constantly under pressure to prove himself, and that mindset can fvck with a player's confidence.

When I'm talking about chances, let's take Fred for instance. Under Mourinho, Fred struggled a lot and even when Ole came in, Fred continued struggling until Pogba got injured and it became inevitable for Ole to Pair Fred & McTom for our games.

That was when Fred started getting enough game time. I mean, he'd make grave mistakes, but as Pogba dey injured options no really dey like that. So, that was how Fred broke into the first team.

But of course some people expect VDB to start turning water to wine immediately . Where's the game time?

How can you use a player once in a blue moon and expect him to have that confidence?

Where's the morale and encouragement?

Cast your mind back and tell me how many times VDB started EPL games.

He came into a confused United team from Ajax and it was so easy to tell he was the odd one out. You know why? It's cos people who're excelling aren't used to mediocre things. How can one play footy at the top level and come to an 'express yourself' team that's clearly void of team work, and you expect magic from him.

It was easy for Bruno to hit the ground running because Ole's dubious counter attack set up suited him really well. You can see how he struggled last season because Ralf came in with a 'we must dominate our games' agenda.

I've seen countless times that we recovered ball in our half, gave it to Bruno and the man couldn't even keep the ball, but instead played a stupid pass that was intercepted.

Omo, anybody wey dey watch United games wella, and is honest will tell you about how Bruno's always eager to release the ball prematurely. It's annoying ffs and he needs to work on that Shaolin soccer mindset.

Lemme ask you a question.
Cast your mind back to when Bruno was signed and then when Vdb was signed. Who do you think was under more pressure to perform.
You think Bruno entering into a team where Una dey score binary goals and was indeed lacking creativity wouldn't be a pressure on him to perform?
Lingard, perriera, Pogba were all counter attack merchants, why didn't they give the type of impact Bruno did? You guys seems to forget all these things sha

And as for Vdb, I agree he wasn't given minutes but was he signed to bench Bruno or signed to see if he'll break into the first team?
I feel it was the latter and while Ole might treat him unfairly given his minutes, what will you say about Rangnick and Lampard?

I no even see the hype around Vdb to be honest sha. Nobody is even saying he won't see more starts next season but the way you guys are hyping him as if he's one Kdb-wannabe, naim I no understand.

You've already ruled out Bruno and seemed certain that vdb will always see first shirt cos of ETH. August-Dec no too far again sha(esp Aug). Na here all of us dey

So for this life, the only person wey fit unleash vdb na only ten Haag?
So if no ten Haag, no vdb be that.
From solkjaer to Carrick to Rangnick to Lampard

Anyways, Next season no far again sha

LostMyZeal:
Hahaha... You must be kidding if you think any serious coach would accommodate Bruno's reckless adventure.

Like say I no watch Bruno last season

Baba couldn't even convert very good chances that would have become Ororo's assist.

This is a no-brainer bro, anybody wey watch United last season cannot be taking Bruno seriously walahi.

The good thing sha be say everybody go get clean slate and we'll see

Exactly, we shall see cos e be like say you no wan give Bruno clean slate sef. Make we see sha.

Btw, is this about Ororo or man u sef? How many Ororo clean chances Bruno miss?
Shebi we go also count him own assist wey him suppose get wey others troway shey?

Leyqute:
Please take a break from strongly stroking VDB’s cocxk.

Sure, VDB has worked with EtH before and May have knowledge about his systems.

But then Bruno has a better vision, passing range and goal sense than VDB. Naturally.

What tells you that he will be useless in a new system?

Who’s to say he won’t be even more effective?

We’ve seen VDB play under this coach, have we witnessed Bruno do the same thing?

Chill with the diccck grabbing abeg.

Lol, the bolded na exactly same thing I dey tell am.

E fit shock people for here sha when vdb go dey bench Bruno go dey start