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Spy360:
It's agenda because you are looking for a cheap way to claim that midfield is what has been making us successful. As though defense and attack are just there for numbers.

It's like you have been waiting for when we will lose to stake your claim. But it won't work.

The entire team had a bad day as you admit so there's no need calling names as any name you call is already part of the entire team. Simple logic.

Besides, 'core structure' (where did you conjure that from ) is absolutely petty as every department as a block is a core structure.
Singling out just two people as core structure means we can do without the others. If this isn't so then this new excuse won't hold water.

There was a time you told me quality doesn't matter in this our structure that any player called upon can easily fill in any role as long as say na Arteta be the coach. I know I gave you 3 examples whether if replaced will give us same result and dominance we were always having. (Leno for Ramsdale, Partey for elneny and Saka for Pepe). It was very intentional I did that.
NB: I didn't mean others were useless

While I'm really Sad Partey is injured, I pray it's not so serious and lengthy. But in the meantime, It will be very very interesting to see who replaces Partey and how arsenal fare from there with the said player as the Base 4.

I really don't want us to go back and forth on this right now, but I just want us to look at how we play the match against Brighton while keeping the bolded In mind.

I just hope you don't see this as another agenda I'm conjuring, but just a way I'm understanding the structure I've been watching so far(for the past 3½ months).

LostMyZeal:
Omo..this one na eyesore jare

I remember when Pep was still in Barca, haba, Simeone gave him a Mou a good run for their money then.

They played way better than this nonsense they do now.

Noticed how Griezmann has become a shadow of who he even was at Atletico?

This crop of Atleti players no just be am at all

No worry, 3 other matches dey wey go entertain you.

Moreover, this present athletico doesn't even have same quality as the previous one reason why they're playing this drab. It's expected

LostMyZeal:
This Simeone deserves to have his coaching badge seized

UCL Q/Final ought to be entertaining at least nau. WTF is this rubbish style of play.

This is dubious and opportunistic.

If every team begin park bus. Omo dis beautiful game go ruin oh

All coaches aren't meant to entertain especially in this era of results first. It was this rubbish play that made athletico the force they were today.
After listening to people's mouth and wanted to play beautiful football, athletico knew the kind of stupid scorelines they were receiving left right and center even sailing out of top 3

Thank God My guy have comeback to his senses and reverted to type.

DissTroy:
Bringing up Salah in a debate about the impacts of the greatest players (s) is like sneaking in the Nigerian Civil Defense Corps in a conversation about military might where the Nigerian Air force and the Navy are slugging it out.

We get it. He also carries guns and can shoot well but don't push it.

Lol, you know what I said it's true and you couldn't find anything to counter it so no need with this your examples.

CAPdan21:
This argument is tired, let's agree to disagree...Make I stroll reach bar for the match today..

Safe bro

BlueRayDick:
Maybe na inside their own half messi for dey do all those body feint àbí na for front of their box he go dey exchange one-two pass dey score hat trick like pure water

CAPdan21:
Van dijk was balling at Southampton and got offers from all the top clubs in England...I don't expect raphinha to be in Leeds next season...dem nor dey hide shine, Messi greatness is sure

Lol . No be Rudiger be the caricature of CB wey bin dey Chelsea?

How come his life changed when he met tuchel instead of the akpola shoe attributes he was always showing pre-tuchel

BlueRayDick:
Leeemao

Does Simeone even look like a coach that can handle attack minded players like Xavi, Iniesta or the GOAT Messi? The weyrey will use park the bus to frustrate their lives.

Ronaldo for Don get like 12 Balon D'or now if messi played under Simeone instead.

The Oga make me burst laff wen I read that bolded from him

raumdeuter:
Without Pep Messi would be a great player but he would never do 70goals a season

Same way without Klopp Salah will never become a 20 goals a season attacker

Exactly what some people don't know.
They think it's just normal talent that's playing.
They don't know the work and enabling environment most of these coaches put into to turn these players into World class.

DissTroy:
Pep didn't make Messi. Pep has never publicly or privately taken even the smallest credit for Messi's greatest. Instead, Pep would continually tell you he is in awe of Messi and Leo being the greatest player he has ever seen; and has kept saying this even at the other club(s) he managed/manages.

Nobody makes players like Messi, Ronaldinho and CR (as much I love to troll him). They are icings on the cakes of any decent coach and team.
Messi won an average and drab coach like Luis Enrique the Treble.
Simeone would have more with peak Messi, Ronaldo or Ronaldinho. That truth is as certain as Will Smith simping.

Oga, this was MSN era na.

We can say all we want but great coaches maximize great players potential to the fullest. While potential differs, but if a great potential player meets an average team or coach, his potential is not fully maximized.

Salah is a good example. Chased away from Chelsea even when he had WC potential. Just a good player at Serie A(across fiorentina and Roma) but turned into a World class player as he met Klopp. We can say all we want to say from hindsight, but we all know he won't be this heralded if Sam Allardyce bought him from As Roma instead of Klopp

CAPdan21:
I said he would shine not put up thesame numbers..I made the comparison to show that messi's greatness was not a matter of 'if' but 'when'

He might shine, but probably not at that height we all know.

Shine pass shine and we know that. Say Raphinha dey shine no mean say him be left footed Salah

Spy360:
You don finish work. No mind my man Jodera with his agenda...

I know how to hold am for blokos.

Dey feel yourself dey go

Spy360:
If the emboldened has any meaning, then why blame two people? The entire team had a bad day, why mentioning two people as if they are responsible for how others play?

Are Partey and Odegaard responsible for the performance of other players?

Because they're one of core in this structure.
You saying the entire team have a bad day means I shouldn't call out any player is like you saying because we won a game, I shouldn't call out any player that performed well.

Partey and Odegaard was terrible ystdy which was an anomaly. I pointed that out and you said I shouldn't, that I should just forget it and move on... Haba Spy.

Even the way Blueray even brought out his points countering my point was even cool and we ended it on an understanding note(because he brought points), but you, you just came and dismissed my points as agenda


Spy Spy.. no be only you the match vex ystdy. Just calm down


NB: As for the bolded, Yes, most times. As long as those duo are the core structure of that team, it mostly affects how our attackers play.

airmark:


Jodera reasoning like Raumdeuter is disappointing.

CAPdan21:
Saying Pep maximized Messi talent I would not have argued with... Saying he made Messi is a travesty I suppose only hear from cr7 fangirls

But na wetin bring you come the argument na. Na almost the same thing

You said put Messi with big Sam and he'll post same numbers. From what I understood, it means big Sam will maximize Messi the way pep did. Aside agenda, we all know that's a lie

Even Xavi and iniesta didn't have that great height pre-Pep even though they're known before.

And that's the work of world class coach

raumdeuter:
Simple question : Did Messis talent leave him the moment Pep left?

Nope..

airmark:
Stop turning fact on its head.

What Hensben told you was that Messi was in top form and that made Fraudiola win his UCLs. You countered it by asking



For your information, people knew Messi before Fraudiola coached Barca and definitely was developing without him. In fact he won UCL before him and the previous season before Fraudiola joined, he scored 6 goals in UCL. He was a blessing to Fraudiola.

Even Raumdeuter called Fraudiola, a fraud at Bayern.

He was developing but the height he reached was courtesy of Pep. Stats says so, the team was built around him in one of the most beautiful Barca in history and his goal tally increased.

If it was that easy to win treble with young prime Messi, why was young prime Messi always crashing out with Argentina national team in any FIFA or conmebol competition?

raumdeuter:
He will soon ask why JS Park, Nani, Tevez etc did not become Ronaldo under Ferguson

CAPdan21:
E nor concern me whether Pep is a Fraud tho we might visit this later if ATM dumps Pep out....Saying Pep made Messi is like saying Sir Alex made Ronaldo or all that bullshit...It's why in table tennis Nadal, Federer and Djokovic would still dominate with me as their coach but no table tennis coach can make an Andy Murray a Federer...My point in a nutshell, Messi would have been great regardless of Pep

Why I understand where you're driving at, but it's not really straight forward as you're making it sound.

See Rashford for example. He'll always thank Van gaal for giving him the opportunity and entrusting him into that number 9 position. While you might say his talent might shine through, but we really don't know if we would have still known Rashford till now If not that exposure. Check Man u thread and see how Midfield talents are not exposed due to the coach not promoting and using any of them.

Aside Exposure, there's still player usage. Pep made Messi the focal point of that team eliminating the big boys which made his goal tally increase. The next season sef, he made him as a number 9 thus making his tally increase even more. While I don't doubt Messi had the talents but you Pep ensured he maximized his talents(to Barca and Messi benefits) to the fullest

raumdeuter:
Sterlings best goal scoring season under Pep
Messis best goal scoring season under Pep
Mullers best goal scoring season under Pep

Pep never claimed he can turn you to Messi but he will try to get the best version of you

Louder boss!!!!

afrodoc2:
Gotze even had a metabolic disorder that was damaging his muscles. I don't know when Pep became liquid metal Odumeje performing miracles to heal the sick.

Imagine!
Pep Na miracle worker for cap.dan eyes

CAPdan21:
Omoh I nor know who follow you argue all those arguments wey u mention...my first post to you was the one addressing how Pep made Messi great...Why u dey turn Amala because u nor get answer?

You're just the follow up of those earlier arguments na

If you don't know that it's good coaches and clubs that makes players great and mostly not otherwise. Many players have entered doldrums or haven't reached the expected heights because of the kinda coach or club they met

andrewbaba44:


My Omo is omoed

my brother The thing tire me oo.

CAPdan21:
Ok you've left that angle...let me juxtapose messi with gotze who was nicknamed the German messi...he played his best football under klopp at 19-21 before he left BVB, why did Pep the prime Messi maker not make gotze a world beater?..

You're grasping at straws here

You said pep is a fraud, we debunked that.
You guys said he met a stable team in barca that's why he excelled, we debunked that.

You said Messi was already great before Pep that's why pep excelled, we debunked that again.

Now you wan carry me go gotze like say gotze na bayern, wetin concern Pep with Gotze biko kwanu?

Spy360:
Calling out Partey and Odegaard when the main culprit was Tavares sounds like agenda to me.

We were dominated all round in that first half. From goalkeeper to centre forward. Saying that the defense fell because of midfield is agenda.

in Wolves game, the main culprit was Gabriel abi. Did we later go on to win the game or not?

Tavarez have a bad game, fine, I didn't deny it, but we can actually still win that game if we weren't dominated all over the pitch. I've watched our games (esp switching to this 433) and while I know our defence have improved massively, I still have hope we'll win any game if our midfield is not dominated cos I know we'll surely conceded one odd goal here and there. In fact, I made that statement even on our good winning run not just something I said ystdy cos of a loss.

I've always been praising Partey and Odegaard when they're on song, why should I keep mute when they drop a stinker?

CAPdan21:
Tell me why you're comparing Messi @ 34 with a 21-29 yr old Messi...at which age did de Lima and dinho leave their prime...the fact that a 34 year old is still expected to put up numbers of a 20 something year old is a testament to his greatness..
CC: Raumdeuter

I didn't deny Messi greatness, did I?

Okay, tell me the individual award, goals scored(both in cl and league) Messi won prior to meeting guardiola?

FirstbornWds:
Pep has paid his dues to earn any amount he asks for.

No be beans to carry team to win treble as an academy coach.

Make Klopp too try that one and he can now be and ask Liverpool for any amount.

That's the thing. You'll hear, give anybody 1bn and they'll win trebles.

The question is, do the "anybody" deserved to be given 1bn? No be person get 200m still go use am buy wan bisaka and Maguire? Na dat same person you wan dash 1bn abi??

raumdeuter:
Messi is shining now under Poch in PSG

I no even see your reply to am sef

CAPdan21:
this is fallacious...Put Messi under big Sam he will still shine...Messi does not need pep, Pep needed Messi...Put prime Messi in the city team of the last 4 years and there's no way city would not have won a Cl by now

Start first by telling us why Messi wasn't shining under poch

airmark:
It was Messi's job in 2008/2009 season that fetched him those awards. So he was hot and at his prime that season. Was it not the season he scored the Scummies in the Ucl final?

You goofed bro.

Exactly what I'm telling you and hensben. Messi never showed that prime until Pep came to his life not the other way round like you and hensben are making us to believe.

No pep = No busquet, no prime Messi, no prime Xavi and iniesta, no Pedro.

That's Pep for you boss

airmark:
Asking if the La Liga best player and the best player in the world, was at his peak, makes answering your subsequent questions unappealing.

Lol, it isn't. As a matter of fact, you're answering post-hindsight, reason why I asked you who was FIFA and uefa coach of the same year.

If Messi who hasn't won FIFA and la Liga best is a peaked player, then it means you believed Pep who won the coach's version was a world class coach even though that was his first stint at coaching/managing a top club.
Right?

airmark:
Answer my question first bro.

You attacked Hensben's post but it was you, popizaino, Tlona1, that actually goofed on Messi.

You need to answer my question(s) first boss.

The way you answered my question with question, I thought that's your policy , reason why I did same