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iamoyindamola:
Me way dan they vex they prepare thunder to strike him down not knowing na useless news

Thank God say you read the news come modify am, else you for just plant unnecessary seed of sentiments on top the guy from viewers

Ibime:
Like I said, keep your monkey post talks for monkey post. Yes, when the ball is in the other end of the pitch, I am looking for man to mark if I play in a defensive position. I played striker for my uni team 2 seasons and centreback for one season after injury. Played leftback for my college team and LW and CM for my school team and age-grade competitions. When playing defensive positions, that's all we do when the ball is in opponents half, look for players to mark and leave one man spare 5 yards behind to clean up any loose ball.

Sometimes this your jorginho sentiments too much. You don't look for ball to win or any loose ball to mop up, instead you look for one innocent player without the ball to mark when ball dey near you?? .
You didn't blame Silva for not allowing the pass slip through him, you didn't blame kovacic for allowing Chiesa running from midfield to receive the final ball, na benardeschi wey just dey naim you expect make jorginho man mark even without the ball getting to him at first?.

Most people acknowledge jorginho is not deserving of the award but that doesn't mean every single goal conceded by Chelsea must be his fault

iamoyindamola:
I read lonkonga said he felt humiliated for sitting on bench against city
Is this real?


Modified
Stupid bloggers twisted the narration, he was embarrassed by the trashing from bench

Lol... Reason why I always read the story itself and look for the player's quote on such topic before laying a conclusion.
If you just read only headlines, you fit hate all your players sef

afrodoc2:

E shock you?


This life ehn, na janglover. E fit swing reach your turn at any time.

afrodoc2:
Hehehe.


Meanwhile how is it anybody's problem if Hazard got injured.

Karma karma!!
Guys dey dish wetin dem no fit take

The same injury wey no concern anybody during neymar's time done suddenly concern us during hazard time.

Isn't time wonderful??

Silentgroper:
But wait! If u think haller cant come back to epl nd excell. What then would u say 4 salah or better still debruyne.

Na two different contexts na.
Salah and de bruyne wasn't given chance at Chelsea plus they were still young and Chelsea. Debruyne shone in bundesliga and I think even winning their pfa footballer of the year. So at least we've a precedent to look at

Salah on the other hand wasn't given a chance too and he was young, wen he was sold. He was good at both as Roma and Florentina even tho I admit he wasn't prolific unlike in Liverpool.

But for Haller, aside being in Dutch league(which he wasn't too popular), his bundesliga stint was average at best and his stint at EPL wasn't great(note he was given chances at west ham unlike salah and kdb at Chelsea). Arsenal need V.good players to lift us up just like how mane and salah lifted you guys up, and Haller with his attributes I don't think he can. If he comes to another EPL team or other competitive league and shine, I'll humbly collect my L. After all who knows, maybe he's a late bloomer

BlueRayDick:
I already told Jodera u weren't going to agree no matter what he says.

Wo, I have leave the argument for u two.

iamoyindamola:
But you said he flopped at westham, how did he if not for goals

His performances. Lemme use Abraham as example, he has a very impressive record in Chelsea yet wen arsenal wanted to go for him, I wasn't happy. That's because I know his attributes is not someone that will take arsenal higher. While stats might mask Abraham attributes, but in Haller's case, he didn't even have both the stats and the attributes sef

iamoyindamola:
Now you are dancing to another angle, I wanted him to replace laca not auba.
This haller is 27yo in his peak, you went to pull out his stats when he was younger
Why do you think i have given up on pepe, he's 26 peak period with no improvement if he continue to be like this for the next 3 years it's over for him

How many years does Auba have with us? If he replaces laca, won't he with time replaces Auba as we're nurturing balogun as a top 9 figure too.

See we need good striker not someone like Haller na

BlueRayDick:
The problem I do have with u is that u are so skilled in the art of making one lose sight of the initial point of discussion tell one enters into another totally different argument.

The point of discussion is Haller not being good enough for Arsenal as at the time you recommended him. You claimed because Haller is doing well at Ajax now he wouldn't have been a bad deal for Arsenal; Jodera does not agree with you and so do I beacause we believe he's more suited to play in the Dutch league and not EPL. I have proven this to you by shwoing you Haller's goal return in the Dutch League, EPL and Bundesliga.

You are the one who brought the West Ham matter and I have pointed it out that It's fallacy blaming West Ham's style of play for Haller's woes in the EPL. The way you are dwelling on the matter as if its Anthonio we are discussing and not Haller you recommended for Arsenal

Like e tire me oo.
Na Haller we dey discuss, wetin concern me with their other strikers

The Haller I saw at west ham was unimpressive, how he wants such striker to fill in at arsenal without previously doing it big elsewhere at a competitive league is what I don't understand at all.

From Auba(and laca) to Haller. Na so we wan mediocre reach?
Not that we have great midfielders presently

iamoyindamola:
Tah no go there
You judged Haller cos of his goals at West ham,I told you they don't succeed with proper striker
I also back it up with link, also with Haller present performance you claimed he went to a weak league
Now prove to me your point you gave me dicanio and anthonio I showed you their stats you wan change narration
Should I be calling you lodera already

You're funny at the bolded.

I didn't judge Haller cos of goals, you did. I said his attributes isn't good for a club like arsenal, and I listed them. It was wen he was banging at Ajax you now bring Haller up again.

iamoyindamola:
So how's Haller own different are you expecting him to score 80/100goals
Anywhere you dance to I follow you

it's different cos aside the stat which is subpar, he was also subpar for them too. I mean he scored 7 goals for west ham and was shipped away. Not only that, his performances was unimpressive. Blueray just showed you his stats that he's not a prolific goalscorer, I showed you his attributes that he won't even bring certain things aside goals sef. So how do you want such striker to be arsenal top 9, worst of all wen we're struggling??

iamoyindamola:
Shebi you wan to turn amala
No problem, below is anthonio stats
Do they look like a striker own, remember you said he's excelling

Lol... This is the exact reason why I didn't want to answer you questions wen you said let's name a striker that excelled in west ham. I suspected the discourse will veer of from Haller to those strikers and then different discourse entirely.

At least I've done my part by naming di canio and presently Antonio for you. Do your own part by hitting me up wen Haller goes to a competitive league and impresses the way he's impressing at Ajax so dat I can swallow my L

iamoyindamola:
Stop it, you are embarassing me
Di canio
141apps 51goals

Tevez
29 apps 7 goals
Abeg no kill me with laugh
I will say it again, westham system doesn't allow CF to shine, they can only do with a makeshift midfielder or defender
That is why the likes of soucek, anthonio, this austrian guy can survive in CF position
Even chicharito struggled, only asthon could have broken the curse but he retired early

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/jan/17/west-ham-strikers-david-sullivan-gold-simone-zaza-scott-hogan

kindly read up
Una no know ball

The thing is you're taking west ham like one big club in England that their striker had to have same strike rate as them henry, Owen and van nistelrooy

Do canio with such a good strike rate is good for them cos dem no even be top club for EPL then.

Antonio presently is a very good striker for them too. If he retires today, tomorrow you'll tell us how Antonio scored only 50+ goals in 100+ appearances

iamoyindamola:
I asked him a simple question bring out the cf that shine in westham
you can also help him out

Di canio shone in west ham. Even tevez in his short stint there shone.
Presently, Antonio is shining.

Spy360:
The last line is the problem you will have.

It's easier to draw the basis of the argument before proceeding if not e nor go end.

Which club is bigger?

In terms of
1. European success
2. UEFA coefficient
3. Fan base
4. Player quality
5. Financial muscle
6. Popularity
7. History

You and iamoyindamola should use these to determine how the argument will end. Cheers!

Well, actually I'm not even arguing whether which club is bigger or not and I think our basis of argument is whether Haller is a good fit to take over auba and lacazette as top striker for us. While he believes Haller is a very good striker that should come be our top 9, I strongly disagreed.
He has been recommending Haller wen he was at west ham not even Ajax(cos he feels west ham was limiting him), it was just this his Ajax's form that reinforces his opinion about how Haller would have being a good fit for us again


But your criteria for knowing which is a bigger club is spot on

BlueRayDick:
iamoyindamola will never agree with you no matter the point you bring to the fore on this una discussion. Na when u tire u go agree with him

Now here is what I think about the whole discussion; as of today the dutch league is not rated as high as at the 1990's when Ajax became European champions. Their league has regressed really bad that nobody really rate players from there as much one would rate EPL, La Liga or Serie Stars. In fact, some people do take the French league more serious nowadays. If na dem Bergkamp days, one would take any breakout star from the Dutch leagu serious, but nowadays same cannot be .

You were not wrong with your position that Haller shinning in Ajax doesn't necessary make him at par with other strikers available in the market playing across other aforementioned leagues.

It would be a huge gamble for Arsenal to sign a player who flopped at West Ham to come replace any of our current strikers. It will just turn Arsenal to the Barca of England with a lot of player on its books yet not so much quality in the team's output to show for it.

Thanks a lot for your contribution. I feel this is more explicit and explanatory than what I've been yarning since.

I just hope iamoyindamola sees this and see my point
Kudos bro!!

iamoyindamola:
Lol
They are former champion, make arsenal even manage enter semi final again na if e easy.

Lol.. Ajax as a club is a former champion, I agree, but the players present there aren't the ones that are former champions na, else we for go Nottingham forest to go buy players too

Now here is my point, I'm not saying all players in Dutch league are bad or won't gel in EPL but that there are some attributes a player will have that will make them thrive in Dutch league but not EPL. There are things I look out for when recommending players and if it's strikers they are (in no particular order)

Good ball control, Positioning, Average to good speed, Finishing(both outside and inside the box), Interplay with your wingers, Strength

Now if a striker have at least 4 of this attributes, no matter the league I'll recommend him. I didn't see those in Haller and Abraham reason why even if dey bang 20+ goals in Ajax and As Roma just same way batshuayi bang in goals in Dortmund, I won't still be moved cos EPL have a way of exposing such players. That's not to say they're bad strikers or such leagues can't produce good players that can thrive in EPL.

Hope you get my point??

FaithfuII18:
I can recommend you the best sniper that will make you quickly end it painlessly.
useless arsenal fan

Lol... A simple google search would have saved you from this embarrassment, but you've decided to always be faithfull to ignorance.

Who am I to part you two?

Spy360:
You are right about it being flat. I was personally an advocate of that formation so that ESR and Odegaard can both play in AM but I have noticed that it impedes their movements and technicalities in that either if them will have to drop deeper each time to link up play. That job can easily be done by either Partey or Lokonga hence it's better seeing them spaced out and ESR doing what he does best- drifting infield from LW with pace.
Also playing 4-3-3 would mean an extra attacker. Which will not add much to our attacking pressure as the options left are Martinelli or Pepe in LW which we don't want at all as starting lineup. I'd rather see both come in to close a game in the post 60mins of the match.

Thank you, you get exactly where I'm coming from

Fkhalifa:
You could have said a feat in the past decade And not entirety.

The way dem dey hype this ajax, someone will think it's one athletico who do well in cl but narrowly miss out in finals or semifinals.
Just one season wey ajax reach semifinals (not even final sef), they're the best thing after slice bread.

FaithfuII18:
I taya oh. this is Just a perfect illustration you just brought up.
ajax that year wey wipe off Juventus, real Madrid and Tottenham narrowly escaped, a feat that arsenal in all their entirely years can't measure up to it

If you don't know something, it's better to just keep mute than spewing fallacy just to troll a club

patrickmuf:
Jodera abeg answer that clown so he can sleep well this night...

The thing with tre.vor is not just only the attention he craves but the exhibition of anger/emotions one shows wen he trolls such a person. Don't just take him serious, laugh it off and most times ignore him.
Just free am

odizeey:
You no dey see the crosses?

Lol all those dalot 30 crosses?? I dey see am

Odizeey and Eph12, una no go kee person with sarcastic banter abeg

Wetin be the thing wey I been read for past pages so, I don tear laff troway?

raumdeuter:
So out of these 7yrs Messi only won the CL 3 times 2 with Pep. What happened the other 4yrs when he was at his peak and chopping 7-0 from Bayern

No be every team be real Madrid that can win 3 peat

BlueRayDick:
You are not going to win this “peak Messi” argument u are about engaging in....

Messi Na god, no beginning and no ending. Person wey still win international trophy in 2021 winning the tournament’s best player among other accolades and on course to win the 7th balon d’or that same year. Calling 2009-2016 his peak period just dey somehow.

If that little man never retire , u honestly can’t name his peak period .

Lol... Na true you talk bros

daveP:
We however remain indifferent about the Trust the Process. No he NLD go suddenly make me believe abeg.

Lol... Na big time indifferent I dey ooo. No time to give myself hi bp on top hope

raumdeuter:
when was this Messis peak what year o what year?

2009-2016

hensben:
Read again, De Lima is fifth best player of all time while cr7 is fourth all time.

Oh... Okayy

Skimpledawg:
Imagine Mount being a contender for Balon d'Or

Havertz10 and swiz123 go just burn down this thread

Wetin Dos.tan18 for use dem do ehhh

BlueMann:
At the expense of his own employers?

You have not answered my question sir: Are you saying Pep prefers the success of his 'student' to that of his employers, so much so that he would prefer for TT to win his first CL, than for City to win their first CL?

Are you indirectly accusing Pep of sabotaging his own club in favor of Tuchel?

Yes or no?

hollam for jugular