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afrodoc2:
Na Thiago Silva cause all this confusion. Immediately he won COPA the 2 main protagonists switched sides.

The one that was denigrating Copa America before now remembered that it was a top competition and the one that thought it was a top competition before is now comparing it to Principal’s Cup.

airmark:
Anytime Raumdeuter wants to talk shiit about Copa America, just copy and paste. It's free of charge.




cc andrewbaba44, patrickmuf

You don do justice finish.. I no sure say dayo suppose use that punchline again

afrodoc2:
Who was winning World’s best when Pele was playing?

I swear, I no know o, But e sure me say him world best no reach messi amount

afrodoc2:
Internet never forgets. All of us get skeleton for cupboard.

I tell you

I dey wait the day Abraham go start over shine make Iamonyin.damola come drag me

afrodoc2:
Diamond or wing?

na diamond e suppose be since the trophy is made in diamond

afrodoc2:
Win something then we consider you, not win something and we just give you the title.

What do you want us to tell Pele with his 3 World Cups?

To be the outright GOAT Messi needs to win at least 2 World Cups with him winning MVP in at least 1 of those World Cups.


It’s not too much to ask for a GOAT na.

Pele have his own achievements same as Messi.
While Pele can claim 3 WCs for goatship,messi fit claim 5 world best for goatship. All of messi goals are documented but for Pele, there's controversy concerning most of his official goals he scored.

So both have good arguments for goatship and copa win still gives messi more strength

afrodoc2:
Jodera is the Euros a nonsense cup compared to UCL?

I am asking for a friend.

Chai.... I no gree for that one oo

Is like you asking if winning the EPL is nonsense to winning the CL

OVA200:
I know that and i perfectly understand you. But that one is slightly different to this; raumdeuter is a Messi Stan and the genesis of this argument is airmark digging one of his old post ranking Nations league, Yuropa league and Copa America as a useless tournament and someone ask him why Copa is among the other na so gospel begin.

Okayy.... Fair enough

afrodoc2:
Omo!

This life no balance o!

cc Leyqute, Raumdeuter, Nihilistjnr, Jodera, Jodeci, Giorgio Lekinson.

Wait.. What!!
Ah... Internet na bas.tard

How una dey dig this things sef


Modified: I know say Air.mark must wriggle himself out

afrodoc2:
My brother na so we see am o. Please help me ask Messianic cultists for the interval between COPA America tournaments.

lol.. 442

afrodoc2:
Nobody is dragging Ogbe Hard Court today, but if you want to say that because your favourite player won Ogbe Hard Court he is better than Federer and Djokovic we will drag you, your favourite player and Ogbe Hard Court.

That is the case of COPA. It was left on its own until people tried to use it as evidence of GOATSHIP.

Lol.. You won't blame us. He was asked to win something for his country else he can't have a legitimate claim to goatship. Wen he won the copa, narrative change

Wetin you want make we do na

afrodoc2:
Hehehe.

If you ask anybody to tell you the interval between COPA tournaments they will start stammering.

Competition that the interval between tournaments is like football formation. 4-2-1-3

Abeg na doc, wetin be this na??

No tear my Belle with laff biko

airmark:
They didn't need to invite Angola to join the Bundesliga, they already have them in teams like Bochum, Schalke, collecting 7-0, 8-0.

Mention the number of times 2 Burnthisleaguedown teams met in the UCL final in the last 20yrs or last time a team not named Bayern won it?

That Argentina didn't win Copa America with Messi for a long time speaks volume and stabbed the 'useless' tag.


Raumdeuter, when Copa America wasn't useless:





Now the shocker:











Raumdeuter will only mislead mumus into the gutter and disappear. Share his opinion and get your fingers burnt.

Church closed.

The way God suppose dey bless you eh

OVA200:
You are wrong the argument started with raumdeuter ranking both tournament in different tier not saying it's useless.
He ranked Euro in tier 2 and Copa in tier 3.

Lol... This argument didn't start ystdy. All these excuses and writeup that's being brandished about ystdy didn't initially started ystdy. It started when Argentina won the copa and barca (plus messi fans) started saying messi have confirmed his status quo as Goat, then the counter rebuttal was that copa is useless and all those writeups and reasons emerged.

Lol... I come deh reason weda na anoda final I watch abi na still the Sunday own?

Leyqute:


And now Raumdeuter is dealing severe blows to that narrative.

They fit even start another Copa before Saturday. If Brazil and Chile say it’s too short notice they’ll invite Ikorodu boys instead.

BlueRayDick:
If this is ur position , then u should have no problem agreeing that World Cup is a tier 1 completion ,euros tier 2 and Copa America tier 3..... of course this is based on competitiveness of the respective cups

I believe in intl level

World cup - tier 1

Intercontinental cup (Afcon, Euros, copa etc) - Tier 2

Confederation cup (probably) - Tier 3

And so on and so forth.

That euros is more competitive than the other doesn't make its tier higher than the others

andrewbaba44:
Europe might be more competitive doesn’t change the fact that the both competition are rated at the same level

No be anybody fault say South America no get many countries

This has been my point. In FIFA's eyes and other footballing bodies eyes euros, afcon copa and all are all the same continental tournament. No one is bigger than others in their eyes, so I dunno which is is 3rd grade or fifth grade tournament again as if na u17 or u20 WC we dey talk

BlueRayDick:
I think what u misconstrue to be an attempt to mean Copa America is useless is this ; Euros is quite more competitive compared to Copa America . That’s an undeniable fact.

A competition where everybody qualifies automatically just dey somehow . Even AFCON we dey play qualifies and some big teams dey drop enroute the main tournament . I think it’s the little or no competitiveness in Copa America that makes it receive whatever stick it’s getting now. The fact that they host the competition whenever they feel like sef doesn’t help matters .

Aside Euros, I don't see any tournament bigger or more competitive than copa sha(I stand to be corrected)

I agree that not having qualifiers and even bringing other continental teams to participate is a big worrying concern to get the sticks they're receiving but they're still bigger and more competitive than afcon, concacaf, and other co-continental tournaments.

andrewbaba44:
Not just Man U Thread ,they do it indirectly here even Madrid fans at Barca Thread

Yeah it spread here and also at barca thread (from Madrid fans) but one thing is certain, it started initially in man u thread.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Has anybody called out Messi for winning the COPA America? No

We all understand that it's not his fault he has to play there. Messi na GOAT na.

But you see that tourney? It's useless. A tournament that an invited Mexico is fielding it's under 23 team

A tournament that Japan pulled out close to the commencement.

Omo, make Una no turn here to joke abeg [/color]

The bolded is yes! In man u thread. Why do you think someone like Patrick.muf and andrew.baba carry the matter for head and afro.doc dey slightly shade Patrick.muf?

andrewbaba44:
Don’t mind them

They criticize Messi for not winning such tournament ,we Dey tell them say Messi don win Olympics dem no still count am as international trophy ,suddenly Messi won the copa America and it became useless immediately and olympics became more important

People no get shame sha

it's the "Brazil and Argentina takes Olympic more serious than copa" for me. So all these while we no know say Olympic dey more prestigious than copa naim we dey hope make messi win one copa. Chaii

izzou:
[color=royalblue]How you guys always squeeze Messi into everything should be studied as a 4 unit course in Nigerian universities.

The argument was what makes COPA America a 2nd grade tournament, and suddenly we are seeing Messi everywhere.

You guys no fit surprise me again, walahi [/color]

Lol... I mean you won't blame barca fans, messi fans or neutral fans who squeeze in messi into the discourse would you?

I mean, messi started ball since 2005 and copa started since the nineties. Throughout 2005(lemme start from there) to 2020, copa wasn't talked about how it was useless even though they showed all those characteristics but immediately Argentina won it in 2021(which coincided with messi winning) we started seeing write-ups on how it's useless a day after.


Please as a human being, wetin you want make we think??

BlueRayDick:
I don’t copa America is useless , what I think is it’s less competitive compared to Euros .

I’m a Messi Stan and I know Messi didn’t create himself neither did he make sure he was born in Argentina where’s mandated to play against some ragtag South American teams plus japan and Qatar; however I can’t compare the competitiveness of that tournament with euros.

At the euros we saw teams like Belgium, Spain with top players getting dumped out on the way to the finals ..... same can’t be said of Copa America . If j are fortunate not to face both Brazil and Argentina then u are surely on ur way to the finals .

I don't think anybody would have faulted the bolded if that was the initial premise. Everyone knows that after world cup, the next main big event is the euros when it comes to Intl footy cos of the competitive nature of it. This argument wouldn't have even started if it was compared outrightly to Europe but the argument was how useless it was as an international competition.
My point is whether teams like Brazil takes it serious or not shouldn't be anyone's concern, whether copa is held every week also shouldn't be anyone's concern as long it's a tourney recognized by FIFA like other intercontinental competitions, it should be given its due respect.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Did anybody say COPA America is not an international trophy?

We are just saying it is useless compared to other continental cups.

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This here is the issue. It wasn't said so like this from the onset till after messi won the trophy. I know cos I've been in this forum for a very long time and I've been visiting all club's threads mostly and not one ever mentioned copa was a useless tourney compared to others all those years. Suddenly we started seeing history of copa, how copa was held every week, how they invited other nations (as if we didn't know), how nations like Brazil are sending secondary sch boys to represent. All these things happened a day after messi won the trophy.

While I will agree all those things said are true, but it still doesn't validate how it's useless as long as FIFA recognizes it as a main continental tournament. How they(Conmebol) decides to do their seeding, arrangements and tournament ought not to be anybody's issue if I'm being honest here

Spy360:
I did not counter what both said. My stand is that if Usmanov really wanted Arsenal solely he would have done so because he had the capacity. He had the majority shareholding and by law could declare a take over. He didn't, he was comfortable with being a part owner until Kroenke usurped him.

I don't like people making flimsy excuses for him about politics and all those shiits. Coming out later to say he had intentions for me doesn't hold water. And I stand by this, which also holds true for me as a principle. If you want something go get it, stop giving excuses. Besides what are the chances that Usmanov will release sugar money? We all thought Kroenke would but look now.

As I said, I will appreciate sugar daddies from any nationality. But it's those from Arabia that I can guarantee. So far they are the only ones save Abrahamovic.

Do you know before the advent of Arab sugar daddies, it was the Russian Oligarchs that was the in-thing? Arsenal is a big club and usmanov is a Russian Oligarch, I'm just imagining the kind of rivalry Chelsea and arsenal matches would have been all these years not this kind of ekuke matches we've been having.
Was it not Arab sugar daddies that came to limelight in 2008(man city) and later PSG (2011). As at then Russian sugar daddies had Abrahamovic in Chelsea and even a club in Russia (I think Anzhi) but they couldn't sustain due to the low market there. All these signs points that Usmanov would have taken us to an enviable height Chelsea and Man city are enjoying presently if not for our stupid board decisions.

While I understand you saying Usmanov would have acted fast if he wanted arsenal the way he claim is you coming from a neutral point of view and giving arsenal board and kroenke benefit of doubt, but if you really followed the news that time, you'll know that politics played a big part in Usmanov not getting his desired ambition. Usmanov been no dey like our Dangote wey na so so talk talk him dey do

Silentgroper:
I'm curious. Do u have dz infos up in ur head or u go quick google, com drop am 4 here.

Most are from my head na. If you've read and followed something before, the events will always stick (tho not word for word)

My question is
If copa was that useless and if the belief that Olympic was greater than copa (according to most folks here), why was Messi initially criticized for not winning an international trophy for his country even when he had the Olympic medal safe in his cabinet? After all, South Americans fancy Olympic more than copa

iamoyindamola:
I remember wengay sef no like usmanov cause he once question his transfer policy, he was part of the leak when they offered him(wengay) 200m for transfer which he rejected.

Na another of the reason wey I no like Wenger be this and why I felt he ran us to the ground. This news wen we needed strengthening then bin pain me die. It further strengthened my Wengerout mantra dat year.

Spy360:
I agree it has nothing to do with nationality. But we all know where most of the money is coming from.
The Leicester owner did not throw in sugar-money. The success he achieved was largely a product of chance and opportunity. Ordinarily, his investment in Leicester, while credible would never be enough to usurp the likes of City and co. I stand with my Arabs.

Everything Blueray wrote(and afrodoc supplemented) was indeed correct, I remember that saga then, tho I couldn't deeply read all up but all the nit bits I read here was exactly what I read then. Then I remember my friends who were arsenal fans then were happy that Usmanov wants to take over and that Wenger will start spending massively(since him dey always use Emirates excuse as cover up) but were later disappointed as they read that the board didn't really want him.

Forget, Arsenal for win much more trophies if usmanov was our owner cos it was only him who had different idea on how our club was going, only him who was voicing out then and it was only him who accused our club of lacking ambition in winning trophies. E sure me say Wenger for don receive sack letter before 2017 sef

iamoyindamola:
I think usmanov is now in Everton

It was his friend farhad Moshiri that went to Everton.

TheGoodJoe:
Your sister is a grown-up woman. Let her live her life the way she wants. Move on.

So you support one to just shut him/herself away from the it family just because he/she should live their life the way dey want?

How people think anyone is an island really baffles me