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izzou:
[color=royalblue]Watch the video again sir.

Fabinho was struggling with a City player before the ball landed on his feet. It would take a very good striker to even think of playing it once. Nobody anticipated that Rodri would show up. Like Morata said, all these happened in less than a second.


Also, the angle was pretty tight to just any player to try a shot.

The block was super class. Many players would take that decision he did.

I don't think his decision was poor. It was the block that was way out of this world.

That picture doesn't tell the story[/color]

I'm not even referencing it with the picture morata brought sef cos I've watched the clip countless times between ystdy and Sunday.
I feel since he made that run, evaded the city player cleanly that was marking him and reaching the ball without any one disturbing him, I felt he should have just slot it once.
The only reason I might understand his decision taken is that he's not a striker (or an attacker) thus he's not expected to have such scoring instincts in such situation. 2ndly also is because not having that scoring instincts made him go for the right leg(in order to control since it's his stronger foot) instead of his left leg which is better placed to play the ball once into the net.

Any striker or forward (even if it's an average one) that misses such an opportunity deserves a stick from fans and critics alike cos that's a clean goal for professional basic forwards

BlueMann:
It's not even just the fact that he trapped the ball, he took too long to make the shot after trapping the ball.

Still on still, twas an exceptional piece of defending. Block of the season contender.

Reminds me of that off the line clearance stones made couple of seasons ago, ironically against same Liverpool. Arguably the moment which decided the title race.

Let's see if this one by Rodri will prove to be equally as decisive.

Actually, I didn't think he wasted time in playing that ball after he controlled it, I feel he was fast enough. The big credit goes to Rodri for perhaps reading his thought that he'll trap it and immediately went for the sliding block before he could play it. Like you said, it was an exceptional block for a season contender, and the worst of all these is that when such a thing happens in favor of Man city against Liverpool, it always count favorably at the end of the season for Man city(in the title race). From that stones block to the Sané winner against Liverpool.

Like you say, let's see if this will count against Liverpool too

iamoyindamola:
I doubt it's this season
Lonkonga suppose they sef if na this season
Maybe tier 5 sha

hensben:
Nobody Dey bash Firmino, na Raumdeuter Dey bring those him wack theory to discredit players, before you know it him go get followers on the matter. Na so him Dey do since I know am.

Lol.. Not only dayo, there were some monikers here who also felt Firmino wasn't doing anything, just salah and mane. Sure, dayo might be the first to bring it up but it's not only him that have such opinion about Firmino

iamoyindamola:
Partey was injured last season na
How many matches e play count am
Moreover partey hardly tackles, he read game and intercept

oh... I thought it was this season. If it's last season then I understand

izzou:
[color=royalblue]If you watched this part of the match, you would know that this picture doesn't tell the full story.

That incident happened in less than two seconds.

Rodri did very well there[/color]

Rodri did very well there by making that block thus he deserved some praise. But on a flipside, fabinho fvc.ked up by controlling that ball instead of a one time kick into the gaping net. Worst of it all is that he was anticipating the ball and ran towards it, not that the ball mistakenly fell to him. Why then did he decide to control the ball??

It was such a poor decision he made there

bisqit:
Firmino is an unusual striker

Lol... Na wetin most people criticizing Firmino don't know.
The good thing about this issues is that during Firmino prime, I never see any Liverpool fans (both offline and online) bashing Firmino. On the contrary they all love him and his play, most of the few bashings na from non-liverpool fans whom I believe don't watch ALL or MOST of their matches

daveP:
That's true o!

Nelli that i want to see playing.

I just imagined how that LHS will be easier for Tierney if Alexis comes back. Especially the Counterattacks, a smooth gel with ESR no doubt.

I watched the day we beat Man Utd, 3-0. Alexis(2), Ozil(1)

The NLD goal of Auba was an exact replica. The midfield flick of ESR to set Ozil up....

These guys are recreating too many past buildups.
Can't predict which.


Overall, i won't mind.

Martinelli have good press and he's direct. I still don't understand how he doesn't fit into Arteta setup. It's so sad we're wasting such talent, esp wen he was the one heralded alongside Saka and even before person hear ESR self.

Abeg, no dey remind us the bolded. That's like the few good things on the last years of Wenger I'll always cherish. Cazorla- Sanchez- Ozil. What a combination then.

Such sweet combination naim Wenger go spoil by giving them giroud is one of the few reasons I'll always vex for Wenger

iamoyindamola:
Where's xhaka abeg
When we say improve the midfield first e get reason

Lol... But even partey I no see am
At least I see matic who I believe played fewer games than partey

daveP:
Lacazette Replacement from the EPL. Who do you prefer?

Ollie Watkins or Dominic Calvert-Lewin

Actually we need the two, but Ollie Watkins all day all time.

If we can just get Ollie Watkins and Ivan Toney for lacazette and Auba replacement, e go dope.

Both good at pressing, both good goal scorers, both good hold up play and good movement. Just add those two and bring correct wingers then we're good

daveP:
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My take: same as usual

What can he do when he notices he's being outsmarted? That's what makes a great tactician to me. Else, its just crap. I think in this aspect, Emery is by faaaar better than him.

Nice Analysis. But I think the two chief problems from that match was not starting Lacazette (for auba) early enough cos he helped to cause overload in the midfield thereby making us have a little more control. I also understand his pepe introduction, cos he felt pepe directness might limit cucurella attack-mindedness a bit alas reverse was the case. Pepe wasn't direct and he wasn't Even helping tomi too.

All in all, it was a nice analysis and Arteta should learn his in-game reading and management better

daveP:
Lol. I'm not defending pepe here na. Just needing a shoo in when Afcon comes.

Lol... I know.
Na Pepe just dey disappoint me na why I dey vex

mostob:
He is not a CF.

Lol... It's just like man u fans saying greenwood is not a Cf

daveP:
Exactly! I won't mind a Second Option available for the wings if the first isn't working. Especially as Afcon is nearby and Pepe will be gone. I think it ticks all boxes to me. A lil skeptical, but we may just need him.

Lol... Afcon or no afcon sef, difference no dey concerning Pepe

raumdeuter:
How many seasons did Klopp endure Lovren

by 2018, lovren was already a bench Warmer with matip and van dijk being the favored CBs. Same thing with Karius(first it was mignolet). meanwhile he met firmino in Liverpool.
Tell me why he didn't buy a player to replace him(like he did lovren) till after dem don finish carry league and champions league, especially such a useless player is firmino

raumdeuter:
Salah is more effective on the right, So why will you reduce the effectiveness of Salah just to include Shaqiri

Firmino being better than Shaqiri is not a big deal there is a reason why Shaq was bundled out of Bayern Inter and Liverpool

So you can't tell me the reason why for more than 3 seasons firmino is playing top 9 as a Liverpool and in any of those seasons, Liverpool didn't think to buy a new striker even tho firmino was useless. Within those times, they broke money for van dijk, Chamberlain, shaqiri, fabinho, keita yet the number one uselessness they couldn't replace him?
O wrong now?

raumdeuter:
Not scoring at home is a symptom of few goals to start with. If you score 20 goals like Salah and Mane were doing you will likely have scored at home but when you are dropping single digits then you will be dealing with ish like that

Lukaku has scored 3 goals in the league both home and away but Firmino will go an entire calendar year without any goal and wearing number 9 jersey

Like I said, his role is different. He's to serve Mane and Salah and make the front three fluid. He did that exceptionally while popping in goals, same way benzema was made to serve Ronaldo. We can see big Benz goal tally increased since Ronaldo's departure. Not saying firmino own will increase but just telling you the system at play here.

raumdeuter:
Salah is more effective on the right Mane is more effective on the left, and from the way things look Firmino might be more effective sitting on the bench

Why will a coach weaken his strongest point to accomodate another player?
Do you think Ole should move Ronaldo to the right to accomodate Lingard in the middle?
Or do you think Klopp should move Mane to the right and Salah to the left too?
Right now, Mane retained his postion, Salah retained his position and Firmino was promoted to coach

Salah can also be effective on the center, he's done that numerous times. If firmino is so useless as you claimed, klopp would have played shaqiri on the left and Salah in middle, but maybe, just maybe, firmino is not as useless as you claim

raumdeuter:
Shaqiri is a right wnger and couldnt bench Salah until he left. Jota is a left winger he couldnt bench Mane succesfully until he found a weak person

If Shaqiri and Chamberlain were as good as Jota, they would have benched Firmino long time ago

Salah can play the number 9 very well for Liverpool (he's done so numerous times).
If firmino is so useless, why didn't klopp shunt Salah to the 9 spot while Shaqiri plays the wing. After all averagely shaqiri scores more goals than firmino right?

raumdeuter:
Why is the Liverpool site not writing about Salah not scoring headers, or with bicycle kick etc because its not important just google Firminos goal drought and you will see different article.

Liverpool plays over 25 games at home every season and a 9 did not score any shows why he was quickly shunted out and your excuse that it was post covid is false because most of those articles complaining about Firmino were pre covid

Not scoring at home in over 25 games is a symptom of a bigger issue which has come to show face , Firmino is a liability and a leech on other peoples effort under the guise of hardworking

Lol... I didn't even notice he had such goal drought cos he was popping in goals(tho away). Lemme use this example... Lukaku have scored up to 4 goals in league this season. I know he is performing and he's getting the winning goals, but I no send weda it's home goals or away goals. That one no concern me(or Chelsea fans), as long as he keeps on popping winning goals this season and Chelsea is winning while rudiger, havertz and kante is scoring the home goals for them. You think any one will begrudge him?
Lol

raumdeuter:
Liverpool bought Shaqiri who is a right sided player, at the end of the day he left in frustration because the beast on the right side was irreplaceable

Of the front 3 Salah is the most productive and most irreplaceable, If someone offered good money for Mane they would consider but for Firmino no one wants him

When you buy a player who is mainly a left wing player who do you think they are planning to use him for?

Liverpool had shaqiri who can also play that 9 and Chamberlain who can play the wings while Salah plays 9 yet they are always on the bench or played in midfield while Firmino still plays the no9 slot for over 3years.
I don't know why you think klopp will keep on using a useless player when options yakata on the bench

raumdeuter:
Firmino in 365 days would have played over 25 home matches and went without a goal
If its not an issue, the Liverpool official website will not write about it. Its not like they are saying he didnt score with his right leg or head. No goals in a yr at home

That is why he was quickly replaced. Why are they not replacing Mane?

It is only an issue for you cos you didn't read the content instead you just jumped on the catchy headline.
Like I said, it's not as if he wasn't scoring, but he wasn't scoring at home. Also it's not as if he's not scoring important or winning goals... He is, tho it's away.

Everyone knows Anfield is a fortress and that different scorers can emerge, the key is beating those small teams and other big teams at their home and if firmino is doing that (esp popping in the winning goals) who will begrudge him??

It would have been bad if he wasn't scoring or assisting at all, but he is. That's why I ask, would scoring the 3rd goal in a 3-0 win at home better than scoring the winner in a 2-1 win away??

daveP:
Meanwhile, CuCu is in TOTW

Will it be good to use his performance as yardstick for consequent 3s in XI?

is Alan Shearer 11 the official EPL team of the week?

daveP:
Sanchez will be a free agent this coming January.


I'd take him back, especially if his wage isn't going to be a bottleneck. That LW side needs him. What do you think?

Even tho I love Sanchez to the core, but I won't advice we take him back on a normals, but seeing that Pepe can't even beat a barn door I might.

Tbh, I'm at a cross here cos I want to fully access arsenal wings issue fully if pepe plays on the left and saka plays on the right but Arteta isn't just seeing it. If pepe still plays the nonsense he do play on the right on the left, then I'll take a low wage Sanchez in a heartbeat

raumdeuter:
Jota is mainly a left sided forward, I am sure he has layed on the left more than any other side. Most attackers in their career would have played all sides but they will have a dominant preferred side

Jota was mainly a left sided player and would naturally have been a Mane replacement but Firmino was the weakest link

Liverpool fans knows he was bought as an option for any of the front three. No way was any concrete bid or strong rumours that mane was leaving. Their front three didn't have any replacement and Liverpool shelled out good dough to buy a player who can play all 3 positions instead of 3 different players.
He's started a match wen Salah was on the bench, same also wen Mane was on the bench and also for firmino. This is the first time I'm hearing he's specifically bought for mane replacement

raumdeuter:
Jota who was mainly a left winger was bought to do what? Who does a left winger replace

Lol... Was there any concrete bid or serious intention from Madrid to buy mane then?
This is why they bought Jota

raumdeuter:
Which role did he interpret? The part of being barren. Firmino a striker that went almost a whole year without a goal at Anfield before covid and you are here blaming post covid

See the attached below, see the date that was before COVID and Firmino was already celebrating 324days without a goal at Anfield

No wonder Jota an above average left winger sharply sent him to the bench

You are an Arsenal fan. Do you hope your number 9 goals a whole year without a home goal?

So he's been scoring away(and even giving assists during home games to show he's influential) but just because he didn't score at home, na problem. I dunno if scoring at home gives 4points while scoring away gives 3points. Even in that same site, they talked about how he scored the winning goals in semi finals and finals of their CWC in which they won, and how he also scored winning goals in match in which they would have drawn that season all away from home, but to you all that counts for nothing.

I believe you'll hype firmino more if he scores the 4th goal in a 5-0 winning match than scoring a 2-1 winner away from home right?? I'm not a Liverpool fan, but I know which one Liverpool fans will pick

raumdeuter:
Man city got 100points with Fabian Delph. Where is Fabian Delph today?

How long did Klopp wait to replace Lovren

Jota was probably bought to be a replacement for Mane but na Firmino even fall shows how useless he is

This is false

Jota was bought cos he can play across the front 3 and was bought for squad depth cos Origi can't play across the front 3

raumdeuter:
Its the Liverpool site and club official sites praise every player and find ways to get positives for the player. Surely Liverpool site will be praisiring Karius even when its obvious he was a disaster

Just give me the link lemme read up, then I can answer you.
I don't think that will be hard for you na

raumdeuter:
See the name of strikers Firmino is benching. Origi and Sturridge Can you tell everyone here the clubs Sturridge played for after leaving Liverpool? That will tell you the reason Klopp kept using Firmino, the moment a semi decent player surfaced in jota, a left winger sef, Firmino quickly found his calling on the bench

Klopp is ambitious yet he endured Lovren and Karius for many seasons. That is how he endured Firmino until he found a decent option

Matip like Jota that benched that benched Lovren was not even a super defender or anything but he immediately dumped Lovren on the bench same reason Jota a left winger dumped Firmino No look, No goals on the bench

it's same thing we're saying na. If firmino is so useless for Liverpool like sturridge and origi, do you think klopp will wait up to 3 years to replace him? Do you think they'll be able to get up to 90+ points and follow man city bumper to bumper all those years with one useless player upfront?
We're talking about league here not even knockout, one-off competition o

How many season did he endure karius? Just 1 season plus

Lovren that because of him he was pursuing van dijk up and down. Immediately van dijk came, it was van dijk and matip that was pairing

raumdeuter:
Which role did he interpret? The part of being barren. Firmino a striker that went almost a whole year without a goal at Anfield before covid and you are here blaming post covid

See the attached below, see the date that was before COVID and Firmino was already celebrating 324days without a goal at Anfield

No wonder Jota an above average left winger sharply sent him to the bench

You are an Arsenal fan. Do you hope your number 9 goals a whole year without a home goal?

before I proceed, can I see the link to that story lemme read it up?
Thanks

izzou:
[color=royalblue]I really can't wait to see Firminho in another club, without Salah and Mane.

Let me see how that club would go far relying on him as their goalscorer.[/color]

firmino is a striker that his skillset flourished under klopp. If you can call him a system player in that striker role under klopp, I might agree with you, but saying he's useless to Liverpool's success or he's an activity former is pure false.