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raumdeuter:
Jodera

A coach like Klopp or Pep will always continue praising you as long as you are his player. Up till he binned Lovren and Karius he was always praising them. The same way he praised and always hailed Firmino yet at first opportunity he benched him with an above average attacker like Jota

Klopp is a competitive and ambitious coach, he's not like Wenger that will keep misfiring striker like giroud without competition esp wen he's dropping stinkers.
The question you'll ask is
1... Why didn't klopp buy a striker(or attacker) when they lost cl 2018?
2... Why didn't he buy an attacker wen he narrowly lost to man city with one point in 2019?
3... Entering 2020 wen they need the league, why didn't he buy another striker if firmino was so useless.

Mind you, firmino isn't a big money signing that the issue of "he'll need to justify his money" will be used. Also he is benching strikers in sturridge and origi. It's not like Liverpool doesn't have money that you'll say it's lack of money.

raumdeuter:
When a striker is useless that is when they will start finding other roles for him to play on the field. Just like Gabriel Jesus that is now shunted on the wings. When you leave his main responsibility and start looking for fine handwriting like you are doing for Firmino then that is a useless striker

When Liverpool won the league Firmino the striker contributed 9 goals. If that is what other attackers are contributing will they win?

A coach will always praise his player the same Klopp praising him dropped him to the bench as fast as possible. Even today if you ask Klopp he will still tell you how important Firmino is for the bench.
The main reason Firmino lasted that long in the starting eleven was because the other option was Origi
Immediately Jota who isn't even close to world class just a decent striker. Jota who couldn't even strike for Wolves show face Firmino found out his relevance to the team and those lies they were telling him about him linking attack suddenly became him linking the bench together

Everyone knows firmino isn't a natural striker. Firmino's case is different from giroud own cos most arsenal fans watching him wanted him out as he kills so many attack amongst other things. Same can't be said for firmino who interpreted his role well till his loss of form post covid.

Havertz10:
when I used to randomly visit this thread, I didn't like raumdeuter

He was always critical of our players and naturally it annoyed me

Then I listened to his assertions and he actually made a lot of sense most times with his assertions

We aren't both Chelsea fans but I will agree with him 98% of the time meanwhile i'm in disagreement with Chelsea fans 50% of the time

Tribes and clans are overrated, an aboki can share more in values with an igbo man than his own brother, religion and tribes really hinders us as humans

Actually, I respect raumdeu.ter to the core but when talking about football and Chelsea I feel most of his takes is just for banter and troll esp when it comes to Air.mark favorites. But aside the trolling and all, he's very very knowledgeable and I enjoy his takes.

As for the bolded, you're right. And I think many people (esp Nigerians) knows this but some don't just wanna accept it even tho they know it's true

CAPdan21:
Omo d thing choke Dayo...e nor fit turn d Amala again na baba give up, maybe one day e go accept d one wey alagolo boathand dey serve am since

Lol... That will be accepting Air.mark have finally won him na

Even if he agree for any other one, not this one certainly

CAPdan21:
Dayo and his useless criterias...wonder what he saw in ayinde martial that made him to say he has more in his arsenal than kane and lukaku

Na the only L dayo accepted on this forum
It shall not be well with Ayinde for making dayo swallow an L with humility

CAPdan21:
Raumdeter just dey shameless...afterall we know of one striker from Poland that took his country to last in a group containing the mighty Senegal,Japan and Colombia...

The one and only striker that fits all his criteria yet doesn't fit all his criteria

The only reason why egbon never drag Lewy na because him dey play for bayern, if not, na like gen him for dey drag am

CAPdan21:
The funniest part of his criticism is that firmino fulfills all aparisport criteria by winning CL, EPL and Copa America on the field

Lol... I didn't even remember this sef

hensben:
Leave raumdeuter, na only score regularly Dey influence win. Firmino acted as false 9 to Mane and Salah that gave them ucl and epl. Firmino is not a natural 9. That is how Havertz10 and co want Mount to be scoring and assisting all the time like Lampard before they can see his importance to the way the team play but if you understand football you will appreciate Mount, this is why Tuchel, Lampard and South Gate make him a sure starter in their set up, his play link midfield and attack very well which is positive to winning a game. You rarely lose with this type of players because they help in dominating opponent. If Mount play man city game there is no way we will lose that game or rather no way man city will dominate us like that.

Lol... It's just funny really. Who wouldn't love firmino of Liverpool??

raumdeuter:
Firmino is a 9 and what does he contribute asides forming activity. It's Salah and Mane that carry everything in that attack. They replaced Firmino without missing a beat. I dare Klopp to try that with Salah. That is how you know an effective player and one disguising. Jota barely joined and Firmino was placed on the bench.
Even at Brazil at that peak he was still struggling to play ahead of fellow activity former Gabriel Jesus

It will be better for Firmino to go back to midfield where he started at Hoffenheim

He contributes assists, he creates chances and he scores important goals too. He might not score as frequently as Salah or Mane, but even those two will laugh at your joke for calling him unimportant. Klopp will be the one to even laugh at your jokes the most sef. There's a reason Mane dip in form coincides with firmino but you won't notice since Mane still scores goals abi

Jota is good and he's proved himself worthy of starting over Firmino, but every Liverpool fan cherishes firmino-salah-mane partnership than jota-salah-mane partnership even tho jota scores more than firmino.

I can't talk about firmino of Brazil cos I hardly watch them, but no way in hell is firmino in Liverpool an activity former. But then, Na only stats you like to the watch so it's not surprising

CapitalCee:
Not pending anything. Who will Arsenal fans swap Arteta for Ole?

Lol...

daveP:
I clearly didn't expect their tactic would flourish against us. But Lallana bossed that middle.

I don't care about time for gelling together, cos if it was a matter of understanding or compliment each other, it would be different. But both were unable to do their individual part yesternight. Then together again,no connection. I'd put more on Partey tho. Lokonga really helped Tierney, compare to the Tomiyasu side with Partey. If Arteta have a Lallana, I'd say we got gold. He's so good.

This is the first time partey and lokonga are playing together if I'm not mistaken. You can't just say the two personnel don't have understanding based on one match and especially a match Partey particularly was sub par

raumdeuter:
Firmino was just disguising and hiding behind Salah and Mane claiming Liverpool front 3. We have now seen that there is no front 3. It was a front 2 plus anyone

Firmino actually dropped form immediately after restart of covid football. But saying Liverpool's attack pre-covid was just mane and Salah is false. Firmino was highly instrumental from the season they reached cl final in 2018, to the season they won the cl in 2019 to the season they won the league in 2020. Any fan who watches football and thinks firmino is just hiding all those while (as you put it) just closes his/her eyes during Liverpool's play then open it wen a player scores or just watch football directly from livescores.

raumdeuter:
At no point was Firmino important nor Giroud

That was why the first opportunity the coaches had they sent them to the bench

This can only come from you. True Liverpool fans or people who actually watched liverpool won't yarn this rubbish. So sorry to say!

Yesterday match proved that there are some games Lacazette can play and there are some games Auba can play. Ystdy Auba was anonymous, but the introduction of lacazette made arsenal get a foothold of the game as he tends to drop deep and combine with the midfielders.
Another conundrum is Pepe, at least laca brought an effect, but I don't see what pepe brings to this side to be honest, I dunno if it's the right wing he plays or that he's not just in sync with his co-attackers. I hope Saka injury isn't serious cos he and ESR got those two wings locked down and Auba at top 9 is good(seeing him on the wing is sickening). Any injury to any of our two wingers might be a problem cos I don't see pepe doing wonders for the time being.

Who also noticed, wen pepe went to the right and saka went to the left, both wings got shut down completely?. Time and time again have proved saka plays better on the right and pepe plays potentially better on the left. Is it not better for Arteta to at least keep one wing working instead of killing our two wings with wrong positioning??

Shout out to our defence(esp Gabriel and White). The thing about tomiyasu ystdy is that even tho he was beaten time and again, he never backed away or backed down. That's the attitude of a champion I loved cos if he did otherwise, I'm sure a goal would have sufficed.

Still hoping for lokonga and Partey partnership. Their individual attributes esp how they progress the ball, gives that forward pass and still make tackles is what I love in them. Hoping for their blending and we'll have that midfield on a lockdown.

Shout out to ramdale... Still proving while he ousted Leno to the no1 spot.

ESR also, what a great game.

I dunno if it's just me, but that push on ESR in the penalty box looks like a foul. I know there's no more soft foul for penalties(which I clearly agree with), but that doesn't look like a soft foul to me as ESR was clearly pushed and shoved.

Anyways, positive is another clean sheet and that our defence is good (esp aerially). Hope for improved attack after the break

CapitalCee:
Yeah we know Arteta is sh.it, But will Arsenal fans swap Ole for him? I dont thinks so. Thats an absolute disgrace. But Offer them Tuchel, Klopp or Pep, they will bite off your hands

Lol.... Lemme twist it also.

Will you swap Ole for Arteta pending wen you'll get the next pep or klopp?

tobiboss:
I actually thought a key pass was a pass before a shot, thanks

Actually, it's the other way.
I was wrong, you were right

BlueMann:
Doesn't count as a key pass actually.

A key pass is the final pass that leads to a shot being taken - but it doesn't end up in the back of the net.

A pass that leads to a shot which doesn't go in - Key Pass

A pass that leads to a shot which does go in - Assist

Key Passes + assists = Chances created.

Thanks for the info.
You're right

Griffon:
I guess this answers Bville02's question to Ibime. Fabregas would have spurned that up-through pass to Azpi, no debates there.

So, Fabregas >>>>>>>>>>> Jorginho.

Aside perhaps Ibi.me that might think otherwise, is this really up for debate??

Ibime:
People who developed psychological problem with Mount for stymieing Havertz progress and had problem with Lampard for not playing 4-2-3-1 to accommodate Havertz in the no10 position are starting to develop problem with Lukaku for similar reasons.

Next will be Tuchel either for not playing 4-2-3-1 or for picking Lukaku.

How two very diverse players in different positions like Mount and Lukaku will be the source of one man's problem doesn't sound ironic to them.

A failure never runs out of excuses.

tobiboss:
Shame it won't even count as an assist or key pass

Key pass .... Yes
Chance creation .... Yes

Assist .... No

daveP:
Man did nothing to take pressure off from a Defence that were always on the backfoot. He should have increased Presence in Midfield and set offside traps. Even BA set for us sef. You're right, this guy just go mark register for Pep side abeg. Or maybe he needs the moneybag like Pep to make a difference.

As for that midfield solution i expected someone like Elneny, don't be shocked. Yeah back passes but he does well in settling a rushing opponent. But who will then be sacrificed? Saka? Auba?


If Xhaka was available, i know half of us would believe he'd have gotten a red for clumsy tackle. But i think Lokonga and Partey is a no no IMO going forward.

This is the wrongest match for those two to gel. I told you how our test with Brighton starts this week cos of how they play and not crystal palace. I still feel with time those two will blend(remember this is their first game together). Crystal palace will be a perfect opportunity for the two to get their game better, not Brighton and certainly not Aston Villa.

I love how lokonga played, but partey was off the pace, with more game time those two will understand themselves

Omo... Pepe no be am.
Na just deliverance we need for him head, cos if na just him improvement, him don over us be that

iamoyindamola:
Jodera I tell you
This one won't do shít today
If he wasn't off he won't score

Lol... Laca even changed our game for the better sef

iamoyindamola:
Tomiyasu welcome to the premier League
That cucurella na bastard
We need change of approach in the second half, the personnel are okay for now.
Auba is always like this when the team is not playing well, I won't mind laca coming on

Na real welcome to premier league dem do tomiyasu .
The way dem dey use him side eh

I just hope tactics change, that first half no be am at all. And na true, na here we need Laca, but then we no know which auba go turn up for 2nd half

Half time can come soon enough. We needed that.
I just hope that these guys bring a better half than the nonsense they displayed in the first half.

Dem dey press us like kilode

Ibime:
If Jorginho did his work well, Kovacic won't even have to do any work. You forgot that bit?

Lol.... You're just intent of roping Jorg in. Jorginho situation is an error which even normal Dms do and they try to correct it by tackling and all(or a defender mops it up). The biggest culprit is Kovacic cos he didn't even make any attempt to track chiesa sef. The no-option Bernardeschi now have a good option just because of kova error. Error that made Silva and rudiger helpless unlike in jorg own

Ibime:
Stop playing chicken and egg. Jogginghoe error led to a direct one-on-one with the last man and you are saying it's 98%. Is that how you judge risk of an opposition player running one-on-one with your last man? What if Jorginho doing his job ensures that whatever Kovacic does has 0% chance of leading to a goal.

Like I said earlier if Kovacic had done is work well, Bernadeschi would have Silva and Jorginho (who was already closing down on him) to outwit. Bernardeschi is not a good dribbler and the highest thing he would have done was to draw a foul finish. Chiesa giving him the sweet option of laying a pass was what caused that goal and he (chiesa) didn't just appear.
And that's not a last man Silva, even Rudiger was closing in to mop up in case of anything. You've already agreed that kovacic is the biggest culprit, why do you still wanna drag Jorginho into this again?
Your argument would have been valid if Jorginho and kovacic swapped places.

Ibime:
Nothing like critical or non-critical. Good DMs snuff out situations while escorts always contribute to them and start playing word games about who was more critical. Even in the days of Mikel, we always argue whether goals were his fault or that of the defenders. When good DMs come on the scene, no more arguments, showing what the problem always was in the first place.

Kovacic is the biggest culprit for that goal followed by Jorginho but a good DM in Jorginho position would not even allow a Kovacic-Chiesa situation to develop. No goal is the making of one man alone. Kovacic could also claim he fell asleep assuming Jorginho will deal with his zone effectively.

Thank you, that bolded is exactly what I wanted to read from you.

No matter how you wanna look at it there are errors that can lead to goals and there are some that can not. Jorginho error have 98% chance of the ball not being in the back of the net, same can't be said of Kovacic

Ibime:
Since when do players get criticised for standing goalside.of their opponent when ball is in the air. That's the natural place to stand.

Jorginho gets criticised for hiding in tough games when his teammates have the ball to feet and he refuses to open passing lanes, but will stand behind opponents as he is not confident in receiving the ball when players are around him. Nobody will criticise him for not making passing lane for a teammate engaged in an aerial duel.

My point is this, while Jorginho made a mistake, it's not critical the way you're painting it. He could have protected the zone better(being in control of his zone), a smart midfielder would have intercepted that ball before it gets to Bernardeschi(and not necessarily marking him as you opined) but even as such, situations like that happens.
The biggest culprit is kovacic who allowed chiesa run freely behind the backline of Chelsea and giving Bernardeschi option for a pass. If kovacic wasn't asleep, Chiesa wouldn't have being available the way he was, thus bernadeschi will be forced to improvise either by going into a blind alley or trying to beat Silva and everyone knows he's not a good dribbler. (Same situation happened during the 7th or 8th minute and Bernardeschi was confused making kovacic winning the ball from him easily)

In a nutshell, It was kovacic fault which was critical for juventus goal not Jorginho as you wanna make us to believe.

Ibime:
Who said ball is near you? If you are a defensive player and play is going on in the opponents half, you should absolutely be marking the opposing attackers still in your half if not one clearance or long ball puts them in. Unless you want to be unfortunate like Barca leaving Torres unmarked for an Ashley Cole bouday to land to him to run unchallenged on Valdes in 2012.

The kain comments man dey read here these days makes me wonder which kain people dey discuss football here.




Which kain talk be the bolded. Is it when ball lands to man's feet that you remember he is a threat? Is Kovacic not also foolish for doing exactly what you recommended in the bolded - waiting for ball to land to Chiesa before remembering that Chiesa is a threat, by which time it's too late

I have blamed Kovacic of being guilty of the same thing, however my focus is not Kovacic. Nobody is hyping Kovacic as the best thing since sliced bread here. Silva has little fault. He is the spare man. Silva will be stupid to commit too early to a one on one with Bernadeschi being the last man. Last man does not commit to duels early especially in a 3 man defence cos if you lose a duel as last man, it is over. He would be surprised to see a ball dropping to Bernadeschi unchallenged in-between the DM and last man. The last man is insurance, and only duels if absolutely necessary, that's why I said we keep a spare man 5 yards back when playing defence. Everybody else duels and anything that falls from a duel will fall to spare man 90% of the time. If Silva had gone tight to Bernadeschi early in that sequence, Bernadeschi is open to the possibility of one dribble putting him through on goal.

Kovacic case is different from jorginho's case na. Chiesa is clearly kovacic man thus it's wrong for kovacic to allow chiesa to run free, but in Jorginho case the ball was in the air before it landed to bernadeschi. The blame of Jorginho (to me) is not reading that 2nd ball quickly like the way bernadeschi did. When ball is in the air, any DM(or player close to that side) is looking to mop out the 2nd ball and not looking for who to mark, you only look for who to mark when ball is on the floor or if in kovacic's case (far away from you).

The only big culprit is see there is kovacic for sleeping in allowing that chiesa's run. Jorginho's fault is not anticipating better to win the 2nd ball and not looking for bernadeschi to mark cos if Chelsea player had won that header, Jorginho will rightly be criticized here also for hiding behind bernadeschi

If only Kovacic haven't given chiesa free run into the box thus not making chiesa present, that would have been a dead end for bernadeschi cos nobody will be there to bail him out. It's that chiesa option that's causing all these wahala. Not exonerating Jorginho for not winning the 2nd ball tho cos he was slow in covering up his zone.

CapitalCee:
Unpopular Opinion, I prefer Rice to Ndidi

Lol... Na real definition of unpopular opinion be this