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Trevor012:
The man question was how did messi win balon dor in 2010? Thats the question you need to answer.

This was the main question that we countered

When you bring question referencing why Milito or Iniesta and co Should win Balon dor over Messi from any reputable site, I'll answer you.

Ijustwantto:
Let dem cry blood. It is only first position dat matters but they have to defend their pidol because messi is second and Ribery third. Anytime you hear robbed, rigged, unfair, not deserved, just know they are penaldologist. Leo messi has given them eternal pains especially woman united fans. They hate him so badly because he sent them packing in ucl final twice. It is not easy to be too good. If they are pained, they should go and give haaland his balon dor so dat they can have peace of mind. Yeye fans

Lmaoo.
I no blame them. Na because internet never strong around that 2010 na why Dem carry this Sneijder lie go this far

Ronaldo of 2013 is the greatest scam. Someone who won balon dor because of world cup playoffs round

Jamiuokolaa:
Between Jackson and Nunez, who worse pass?

Nunez without any eye blink

Tho Jackson is not far behind. They're probably the 2 worst clinical strikers in top teams

Trevor012:
Voting was extended for the entire 23 men on the shortlist. You see why i said messi dogs are stupid, common sense is soo far from them.

Dey there dey deceive yourself

Trevor012:
Someone in first position robbed ribery in 3rd lol. Nigga even without Ronaldo, ribery wouldn't have won the award. If Ronaldo robbed ribery then your Messi in 2nd position also robbed Ribery. Messi lap dogs can never seize to amaze me with their foolish takes.

Lmaoo

But Someone in 1st position is robbing someone that's not even in 3rd position according to Ronaldo fans.

You and all Ronaldo fans worldwide are shameless for hyping someone that didn't even climb balon dor podium in 2010

Trevor012:
Stop avoiding the main question with all these shalayes. Why was Messi given the balon dor in 2010 over Snejider, Iniesta, Militao, Forlan, Xavi etc Infact anybody other than Messi would have been justified.

This was not the main question.

The main question was that Sneijder was "wrongfully denied" balon dor and that's what we countered. When you bring evidences of Milito and co being denied 2010 balon dor, then I'll answer you

germaphobe:
Abeg he Sabi over do against Arsenal. Diving, rough play and what not. He's a good player not just on any match day against Arsenal.

Lol... Abii

The thing be say personally I just like the guy. And even though he scored most goals against us(especially at Spurs), but realistically most of his goals are harmless.
Person wey I dey even vex normally na Drogba. If no be say na African Bobo, I for hate am. Na that guy really give me Pstd no be Kane wey just dey use him goals against us dey statpad him goals collection

andrewbaba44:
World Cup golden ball : Diego forlan
Uefa club footballer of the year : Diego milito
Seria A footballer of the year : Diego milito
Seria a foreign footballer of the year : Diego milito
Seria A midfielder of the year : Javier pastore
But yeah Sneidjer should have won the ballon d or

If you doubt me to make your research and get back to me and tell me where I was wrong

Una no see iniesta push na sneidjer because una hate Messi and Barca

I don tell people taya about all these bolded but mostly Ronaldo fans no go gree. The Pr to give Sneijder that balon dor was so loud that at a certain point the lies started to turn truth and even Sneijder himself starts to believe it.

He was not even Inter and Seria A best player, he isn't even world cup best player or winner, yet people expect him to win the balon dor.

Lmaooo

Roland17:
Avoid me I will not tolerate any Spud love fest here.

Once a Spud, always a Dirt, except they openly swear allegiance and denounce their Spud roots....Sol Campbell. Kane is the dirtiest of them all, the refs allowed him get away with some of the dirtiest plays against our defenders.

You're forgetting Kane is from our academy and famously celebrated the invcibles.

The guy still get small arsenal blood in his veins bro

germaphobe:
I sat down one day and studied how kompany's team plays and saw why Bayern went for him. Let's just say his Burnley team wasn't made for EPL, though I can argue that they should have showed more strength than they did. At Anderlecht he performed well because the players he had was close to the league standards, in the championship Burnley achieve success cus of the same thing, but not improving his squad to match EPL standard affected them last season. He has the vision and system of play that makes sense, it's just the right players that was lacking and that is something Bayern always have. Kane is certainly winning a trophy next season, every hustler have his pay day and that man is a real hustler. I only hate Kane when he scores against Arsenal.

Lol, normally I don't even hate Kane at all

mostob:
Yea. I really wish he can win something next season but this one Bayern went to hire Kompany eh.

Ger.maphobe don do justice to wetin I get for mind

mostob:
I pray so bro... With trophies, Harry Kane would be in the same conversation as Lewadowski, Suarez...
He has worked hard and he deserves to win something.

Yeah, he truly deserves it.

I just dey pity am because any human with such a talent and such achievements deserves trophies. It'll be very very unfair if he doesn't win at least 2 major trophies before he retires.

Jamiuokolaa:
You are creating a different argument here - no one is comparing and contrasting the quality of the players of different eras when they were about the same age.

Standards have dropped - that's the discussion here.

We have gone from them prime Iniesta, Robben etc who struggled to enter top 3 rankings, to players like Vini and Bellingham who are still developing, yet are top 2-3 players in the world.

True Sha.

You might be right to some extent

mostob:
Na Dortmund go carry Burnthisleague next season

I didn't mention Bayer for two reasons. They might lost some of their players to other clubs and might find it difficult to cope with UCL.

Lol..
Make we dey see sha cos I still tip Kane to break his "curse" record

Shegzdave:
Putting someone who didn’t start a match they lost on their front page is nothing?

You don’t have to call someone name to put them in bad light

Lol... Tbh I don't see what you people are seeing Sha but it's alright

Ijustwantto:
I can't wait to see how mbappe Madrid go turn out especially for me as a barca fan. But one thing I know is dat heaven cannot fall and nobody is above collecting. Messi sef collect 8-2. So next season, here we go

Lol.. abii

I wan see how una go do let's season. This rivalry don deh weak

Jamiuokolaa:
Thats why we say the standards have dropped - what we have on our hands is a crop of upcoming players wey never reach the heights of wetin them Iniesta, Scneijder etc been dey serve us before them retire.

Maybe when them mature finish, we fit compare

Lol.... Even during those times, young boys still dey so it's not really about age and maturity.

Kaka for example deh ball just like the age of Vini and there's also young Ronaldo too. And if you see their stats those times, na similar stuff with Dem present Vini.

Ijustwantto:
Exactly. Haaland sef wey dem dey force on mbappe, him no fit do Goat debate tins. How I wish we have a beast like players in Barcelona. He for sweet die as mbappe don dey come.

I swear.
Perez just did the world a big disservice.

Mbappe and Vini in one team is like prime Ronaldo and Messi in one team. E no make sense at all to football world(tho Madrid fans no go complain)

Halaand is too limited for Goat debate fight

Jamiuokolaa:
Even if you remove Ronaldo and Messi from the equation, is Vini as Good as Prime Robben?

Is Bellingham as good as Iniesta/Prime Scneijder?

Yet these are the top 3 players in the world today - them go struggle to enter top 6 those years

Lol, how old was Prime robben?
Remember prime robben was in Bayern which was when he moved at 25yrs. Before his move to Bayern, he wasn't a big star like Vini was in the last 2-3years. And that was Robben of Chelsea/R.madrid . And same Vini is only 23yrs and still improving cos this isn't even his peak
How are you sure before he reaches prime Robben he won't even eclipse him?

As for Bellingham, you guys seems to forget say na small boy him be. For him to be top 3 at such age shows you his talent he has. Dem iniesta and Sneijder wasn't pulling trees at same age of Bellingham. This is someone who did it almost everywhere he went (from Birmingham to Dortmund to Madrid). No be fluke be that na.

Most of these players you called sef start becoming world stars at almost mid 20s sef

Ijustwantto:
If only there's another intensity. Or if someone fit rival mbapppe especially in barca it will go back higher. But currently I no see mbappe rival, and I don't know if he will continue at the top level consistently like messi and Ronaldo

Mbappe himself go fit calm down.

The only possible reason if Mbappe would have a rival is if someone like Vini was in Barca.

We all know the only reason Messi and Ronaldo have those numbers was because they were at the two biggest clubs and rivals in the world. So they elevated each other

E go hard for anybody to dey post 50goals a season consistently without a major rival putting fire in his ass

Jamiuokolaa:
Lol

So you dey accept say standards don drop generally?

Drop? Nope!!
This have always been the standards generally.

Na Messi and Ronaldo just up the standards to an unsustainable height reason why they both dominated the balon dors. Once those two are gone, the standards are back to its normal stuff

Check it out, how many players were matching or even nearing Ronaldo/Messi awesomeness in terms of goal/assist/performance CONSISTENTLY? No one!!

That tells you that, that's not really the normal trend or standards of football. Na just anomaly Dem dey do

Awesome01:
During Messi/Ronaldo era, Vinicius, Bellingham etc would be seen at distant 6th and 7th positions.

Before we can see any other player winning 4 or more Balon d'ors like those two. E go far...

I swear. Dem for no even near top 5 as you said
Na why I believe them Ribery and lewandowski were unlucky to play in their era and not Vini cos na this era be the normal balon dor/world best era.

Make Dem Vini and Bellingham thank God say football world don come back to its normalcy

mostob:
England's main issue has always been about finding that cohesion and synergy. There is also the issue of not having a proper leader in that team...a winner specifically. That's the price to pay for having many superstars in the team. And Southgate is not someone that is tactically savvy. I expect him to flop when selecting his midfield combination as usual. And then there is the.... *coughs* ... Harry Kane curse.

Lol, that synergy is what good coaching brings and that's what they're lacking. In terms of leadership, they have a lot of leaders and less ego players. This is something most successful teams have and they have it in abundance

They have a lot of winners and people who can change game just with a flip of fingers. Na just coaching be the issue las las. I don't know why Wenger no wan coach this team esp when he left arsenal. Na him for fit Dem well

And personally, I never still believe this Harry Kane curse Sha. Make I see how next season go be, if Bayern no carry anything then I'll know the curse is real

raumdeuter:
Which Bayern player person wan compare to Chelsea

Even in this low state we dey

E tire me oo

Like a Bayern fan would start comparing his players to this Chelsea players??

Na why I said he's just clutching at straws

Ijustwantto:
Well said. But my own point is dat with the way balon dor tins has been, no player can win it with messi in barca and Ronaldo in Madrid. There were other good, better, best players but the media really focused on those two. . But if we should be straight forward, neymar jr deserves balon dor. That is why dis current madristas guys like vini are lucky not to fall into prime Ronaldo and messi era

They were other good players but everyone knows the main Pr are England and Spain (Only). Any other country na Oyo be your own if you're looking for balon dor. I'm very certain that Neymar would have won at least one if he'd moved to England just same way I'm certain if Bayern Munich was in England then Ribery would have won balon dor (their treble season campaign).

See kekere Jorginho is winning European best and coming 3rd in balon dor ranking. This is someone who's not even Chelsea best midfielder (I'm not even talking player) that season oo. All he just did was to be a starter in his teams when winning UCL and Euros. He wasn't even a standout player there even though I believe he's instrumental to their wins. I doubt any other country not named England or Spain would give you that privilege.

Presently, I won't say Vini and Bellingham are lucky because football is coming back to its normalcy where 20-30 g/a will give you balon dor cos that's how it has always been.

Na Messi and Ronaldo go change the order of things. Those two devils!!!!

Ijustwantto:
England has always had the best squad even before rooney era but nothing to show for it

If you compare both sets, this one have the better chance.

Aside from being balanced across all areas of the pitch, their talents is even better than most of their national counterparts which (like Germany, Spain, Italy, etc). This is something their Rooney era didn't enjoy cos their own national counterparts were really strong

germaphobe:
The only reason I will watch England matches is cus of Jude and Saka. But winning the Euros?.. they can dream shaa, I don't see it happening, but what do I even know.

Lol, you don't see it happening OR personally you don't want it happening..

Which one??

mostob:
I'll like to see the posters whenever England win any of their matches sha. I hope the newspapers keep the same energy.

I'll also be on the watch out tho cos to start digging cover pictures of England wins will be pretty difficult

Ijustwantto:
Exactly. He should have gone to epl. Psg no be club. Even man u or Chelsea would be a better option because they were still good back then in 2017 when he left. He was under a lot of pressure just to leave messi and shine on his own which latter went sour for him. Winning balon dor in Ronaldo messi era is not easy. Ask Ribery, snejer, zlatan, ozil, suarez and others. But if I were him I would have stayed. Balon dor wouldn't be my priority because people will still recognize you as a great player. So many countless players deserved balon dor not only neymar

Lmaoo. You think the bolded is easy for any player aiming for balon dor to just stay put?

Like you said, balon dor is not your priority. The way Neymar was hot that time, balon dor was really his priority and the way Messi was going, he(Messi) wasn't slowing down anytime soon. Neymar already had the Pr as them Messi and Ronaldo (tho certainly not on the same level), but the Pr was good enough for him to win a balon dor if he went to a club like Man City and perhaps ended up winning the UCL.

I'm very certain that if Neymar was in Haaland shoes last season (or any other season during prime Messi and Ronaldo), he would have won that balon dor that Haaland missed out on.

andrewbaba44:
Not sure if he announced his international retirement

He won’t play under this current management ,he will be back for selection if southgate and his crew leaves .

Yeah you're right. That's why I used quotation marks in the retired cos I know it's just under this manager/management he doesn't want to play under.

hensben:
Here is where any Monica compares everything. I’ve being the one saying you guys should stop comparison due to different league of players but Raum.deuter, And.rew and co nor Dey hear.

So Dayo and Andrew dey compare their players to Chelsea players every now and then unprovoked?

You're clutching at straws really

hensben:
But you guys always come here to compare your players which brought us to this stage of comparison.

Lmaooo...
Show me any moniker that continuously compare their club's players to yours?

Aside you, I can call at least 2 monikers that always do comparison back to back unprovoked.