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Ighalo will give us even better performances if his teammates can up their game.

Edopesin:
I'm sure I don't need to remind you that he contributed to more goals than anyone in the whole tournament, he contributed to all the 3 goals scored against Cameroon in R16 but no you chose to ignore that one

And as regards the Osimhen and Ighalo debate, even Osimhen will tell you he is still understudying Ighalo. Ighalo has performed in the EPL. Topped the goal scorers log at AFCON, and has shown that he can even play at the highest level for a clubside like Manchester. Osimhen is just one level below that. When he signs for a bigger club and performs then we can have the debate again. For me I'm okay with both of them starting

Just managed to catch up with the last 6 or so pages on here.

My take on the two major debates:

1. The relevance of Nwakaeme to SE

While it is true that Nwakaeme deserves another chance he will have to wait for it considering these wingers he comes against:
a. Samuel Kalu has been massive for SE. No national team coach will drop an already performing player for another player because of superior club stats alone, considering that Nwakaeme was given a chance before. We remember when Iheanacho was very impressive for SE and continued to get a look in despite not getting match time at the club level. Kalu is in that boat. And as longs as he keeps putting in a good shift for SE he will keep getting a call up, deservedly.

b. Yes it is true Ahmed Musa had just come back from injury and has not had a considerable amount of minutes under his belt in Saudi Arabia, when he was recalled. Musa has been MIA for SE since the WC, I stand to be corrected, but seems to keep getting invited based on his captainship status. I trust Rohr to drop Musa eventually if he does not up his club and country game, like he did to KC in the past. But how long should we wait?

c. Chidera Ejuke who has been getting more attention in the transfer market is an untested player in SE who suits the way Rohr likes to play from the wings. Chidera also has an impressive stats like Nwakaeme. Besides Ejuke there are wingers with superior performances considering their exploits in Europe. Olayinka and Dennis comes to mind. The latter players will likely get another look in before Nwakaeme because Rohr needs to see them playing more minutes to take a better look at them.

For now, I will say Nwakaeme is doing the right thing. He knows that before he will get a second chance he will have to be convincing in Turkey. This must be the reason for his impressive performance. Every Nigerian player must work hard to get a look in. And when they get their chance they must make sure not to blow it. If Anderson Esiti had his second chance, Nwakaeme certainly will. It's only a matter of time.

2. Sadiq Umar's resurgence and the SE question.

This argument is similar to the previous. But I will side with those who say Umar needs to be called up without delay for the sole reason that Paul Onuachu got a call up. Sadiq has far more to to offer SE than Onuachu can. Rohr once talked about Onuachu's height and the different option he can add to the front. Sadiq is all that and more. Onuchu has the fastest goal ever for SE and since then he has been an anonymous mouse. Sadiq proven and tested at the U23 level, and has been a lion in the lower league. I think Maja should not be hurried into SE.

both Collins and Ehizibue were in the loosing side today. Games to forget.

No long story. If K.Nwakali signs for a big club (na long thing)?and is consistent there, story go change.
Let’s leave past glory. I said at present Adarabioyo cannot make SE considering his form finito

komekn:
How can you be comparing a player who has done nothing beyond youth football glories for the past 5 years.

He was anonymous in the Eredivisie went lower to the second tier Eerste Divisie and was unheard of. The he descended to Porto B youth football and has gone to Huesca and has struggled to get a game.

Football is an open gallery you perform you get noticed there is no secret.

Nwakali has only performed on youth football.

Tosin Adarabioyo is still a City player who has had a very good season in the Championship. That's why multiple EPL clubs want him.

Finally, the Segunda División is so poorly funded they can't attract quality players the league is no where near the level of competitivness and quality seen in the Championship.

I can guess superficially that the transfer expenditure of one club in the Championship could compete with almost the whole Segunda División transfer expenditure.

The next time I see this kind face na Tammy I go bring. *ready to shoot* lol

Subzero047:
Guess who scored today

Yes Toru is ahead now but the tides can change again.

sheyishemba:
exactly moreover sef Naija no need am
udokhai and apkoguma are no better to we have already the main deal is torunarigha and I pray we get him

lol. Cuz The story no get head and tail

Edopesin:
no be lie o!
it might have been arranged lmao

Systematic Attention seeking

few pages ago you assumed that i differed with you because I was bearing a grudge or whatever you were trying to imply. Now you are playing victim that someone got you banned. I wonder what stops you from creating a new moniker to argue your case. I didn't rain any abuses in your direction so nothing stops you from answering my posts. I advise others to stay out of the discussion and watch. So no excuses now. So many claims you made in your posts that has no factual backing. I'm waiting for you to prove it without resorting to calling names. It's as easy as that.

elunico:
Oh you think I'm lacking in substance right?

I was ready to take on all of you before I got banned. My silence should no way be mistaken for concession despite going all homimem on me.

Like I said, I'm done with the topic, you can't bring me back in.

Well there is no standard definition to it. But I would like you to ask the world class question as regards Ozil, and let' see if it would sound right. Else, it supports my position.

benji93:
We agree to disagree. World-class itself can be used in two lights. Momentarily or extensively(all-time). Was Ozil world-class 5/6 years ago, yes. But all-time, maybe not. He dominated for about 5 years. I consider that borderline all-time. If your argument is, once you attain world-class, even if your form deeps, the potential to ascend to that point still exists, I'll probably take it. Ozil has been a journeyman for over 4 years and still counting. He probably has settled with the journeyman status. If he lost form, and 1 or 2 years into his struggles, you ask me if he is still world-class, I'll probably say yes without thinking twice. 5 years of dominance followed by 4 years of Journey-man status in your role cannot be considered world-class momentarily, and perhaps borderline world-class all-time, IMO.

The truth is Akpoguma dey use the guy get attention.. lol

Edopesin:
https://www.goal.com/en/news/teammate-doesnt-want-akpoguma-to-play-for-the-super-eagles/319tg5km0ghc126ltrpc4nmlr


Samassekou doesn’t want Akpoguma to play for the Super Eagles


The Hoffenheim midfielder believes, nonetheless, that the centre-back would be a good addition for Nigeria


Hoffenheim midfielder Diadie Samassekou has acknowledged that he doesn’t want his club teammate Kevin Akpoguma to represent the Super Eagles, as he’s worried about how much the centre-back could improve Nigeria.


The defender was born in Germany but is eligible for the West African giants via his father, and has previously stated that he’d be open to representing the Super Eagles, despite having represented Germany at youth level.


While teammate Samassekou believes the 25-year-old would be a good asset for Gernot Rohr’s side, he’s attempted to dissuade the towering defender from committing to Nigeria.
“I think he would be a great help for [Nigeria],” Mali international Samassekou told Goal , “so for me, it would be better if they didn’t have Akpo.
“[I haven’t really asked him about it] because I’m not Nigerian,” the midfielder continued, “but for the development and improvement of African football, it would be great if he goes there.”


Akpoguma hasn’t represented Germany at any level since 2017, having worked his way up from U-16 level to the U-21s, but is yet to formally be introduced to the Nigeria set-up despite opening the door to a switch in 2018.


“I don’t know what he’s thinking,” Samassekou concluded. “This is a question you should ask him, and he’ll give you the right answer.”
Akpoguma signed for Hoffenheim from Karlsruher in 2013, but has taken his time settling in the first team.


This season, however, having previously had loan stints with Fortuna Dusseldorf and Hannover 96, he’s made 16 appearances in the Bundesliga including 12 starts.
It’s been a strong campaign from the club, who are still firmly in the race for European qualification with four matches to go.


Ahead of Friday evening’s game against RasenBallsport Leipzig, the villagers are only two points behind sixth-placed Wolfsburg, who currently occupy the last Europa League qualification berth.
The German top flight is currently a hotbed for Nigerian players and dual-nationality Nigerian talents.


Kingsley Ehizibue is one of the most recent new call-ups to Rohr’s Nigeria squad, while the likes of Anthony Ujah and Jamilu Collins have been familiar faces in the past and present.


There’s also a seam of potential new invitees to the national side, with Ademola Lookman and Jordan Torunarigha among several players eligible to turn out for the Eagles.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/FC_Admira_Wacker_M%C3%B6dling_vs._FC_Red_Bull_Salzburg_2018-04-15_%28043%29.jpg

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bad belle

IF he starts playing for City, I definitely will. Same applies to any player now having a rough patch. K.Nwakali etc
Like I said, if he commits to Nigeria today he will be down the pecking order in SE. That's the context of my original post.

Modified,

Certainly, Uduokhai, Torunarigha are players that would push for places if they commit today.

komekn:
IMO he has had a steep learning curve he has had some very hard schooling in the Championship.

He has stopped being a boy, I watched him in one game bully Dominic Iorfa and score.

He is now outside of Tomori the best Nigerian origin central defender l expect to see him either playing for Man City, ( l will absolutely not be suprised) at the very least in the EPL.

So if he starts playing for City will that change our perception or any other EPL club.

Finally, who do you think is better than him currently or other prospects ❓

Still waiting for Nwakali to take his bow. Huesca leading Malaga 3-1 away.

na Getafe I dey support before..lol

chrisooblog:
who scored?

goal!!!

Who be Musa Yahaya agent sef? lol

I said they are used in a similar vein. That does not mean on the same level. I’m speaking in respect to what happens next after you attain that status in whatever context. While legend can be used at a period that that player etc is not longer active, world class is used when they are still active. It takes a lot to achieve world class status. If a player achieves that status and then lose form for an extended spell, can the player still be described as world class? I say yes.

benji93:
I am afraid I don't quite agree with your first sentence. World-class and Legend are not quite on the same level. You attain world-class status, then you become a legend. You could definitely get stuck and never attain the legendary status. Even legends at the club level may not necessarily pass as legends in football. Although i agree with your other point. The question get as he be. It's not quite clear what kind of treatment it needs..

I think the term word class is used in a similar vein with legend. However if you ask if a player is world class at a particular moment it can be interpreted as present performance. I think there is something wrong with the question in the first place. I agree with Nerdie. Is Ozil a world class player? Yes, because world class is a status you earn and is somewhat permanent.

But if you ask is Ozil presently a world class player? Don’t the question sound awkward?

So Safarigirl that twitter debate get k leg.

benji93:
Some may say you are reading too much meaning to the question. If we take that question literally, they are both no longer world-class. I mean if that question is only a prelude to making an informed decision such as playing any of those in your team. Ozil was world-class for about 5 years. Whether that is worthy of all-time great status is another thing, which depends on your criteria for such a status.

Adarabioyo will want to switch allegiance. But I'm afraid he is way down the pecking order and it would be hard for him to break into this current SE. He should be warned just like Lookman.

On Merriam-Webster, expect to see the words 'systematic oppression'. Are you also going to deny that this exists against blacks in the US, even now that many whites in the public, in the police force, in the military are openly admitting to this fact? have you heard the statements of high ranking blacks in government as well as very successful blacks highlighting what they have went through in their life, and you want to make it seem like the blacks who talk about racism are low lifes claiming victims. I'm still awaiting your responses to my previous posts because I am locked and loaded with facts.

elunico:
How would that sound if it's coming from a white man? When a white man says: I don't have any Black friends. He dares not, else he gets hanged and shamed publicly.

Merriam-Webster is planning on redefining Racism, it'd be interesting to see what they come up with.

I've been insulted here enough, I'm done with this topic.

You can check the credibility of all posts from any site. I still visit ANS alot but I don't stop at that. ANS often post links to their sources. OGN often times just give opinions and state inside sources. OGN has been right eventually sometimes but I rather go with posts that can be verified immediately.

andrewbaba44:
Una still Dey take such site serious

Chai

Sevilla tackle Real Betis as La Liga resumes today.
There will be no Nigerian in action.

Liga Nos continues.

Mikel Agu in Vitoria's dug out. After about 67 minutes it's 1-1 away to Belenenses.

just a digression. Talking about symbolisms or coincidences

Trump will get back on the campaign trail on Juneteenth Day (June 19th) -- when many Americans commemorate the end of slavery -- in a city that was home to an infamous 1921 massacre of Black people, one of the worst racial atrocities in the nation’s history.

uwc sir!

solonnachi:
Noted. Thank you sir

so does one lose that status because of a deep in form?

Edopesin:
Marcelo is certified world class
I used to consider ozil world class but not anymore

The experience of playing in the Europa Leauge is also adding more steel to his game. Sadiq carry on!

TheSuperNerd:


That game had 10 foreign scouts present from AC Milan, Lyon, Valencia et al. Sadiq was named MOTM and one of the foreign Journos who covered the game, whose report I read, said this:

"For over 10 years in Serbia, no striker has terrorized Red Star Belgrade defenders like Sadiq did during the derby"

If he was exaggerating about the decade thing I wouldn't know for now because I haven't done personal check, but he was clearly impressed. Lol

the problem is I don't see any quotes in this.
You guys should always put sources or quotes so it would reduce unnecessary arguments.

solonnachi:
Tammy Abraham's reasons for choosing England over Nigeria
1. England has more chances at the world cup which Nigeria does not
2. He can't sing the Nigerian national anthem
3. EURO is better than AFCON
4. He feels more English than Nigerian
.

This is the height of disrespect for a nation and continent. I pray he keeps roasting on the England bench when SE reach the semis of world cup 2022 that's if he's selected to play for England at the world cup. I don't really blame him, I blame Pinnick for having picnic and taking pictures with him even promising him a place in SE.

It's on record those who have spoken well of Sadiq despite his previous setbacks. As a striker, stats don't lie. People will believe in him more when he moves up to a bigger league. It's not like he has not played in one before (Italy)

TheSuperNerd:
Perhaps no one reported this here so here it is... Sadiq Umar still bossing Serbia. It is clear he is above that league and level of competition.

He bagged a beauty of an assist for Partizan Belgrade in the Semis of the Serbian Cup and that assist provided the only goal of the tie against their "Bitterest" rivals, Red Star Belgrade.

Here are highlights:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j61Qyg2yF2g

Note the skill on show from Sadiq to create that assist. Check from 1.53 of the clip. Excellent and beautifully intelligent play. He has other highlights in same clip ofcos especially on that last action of the clip where be should have done better. In all, time to leave Serbia abeg... He is too much for that level



That makes it 17 goals and 16 assists in 38 appearances for Sadiq in all competitions.

In the league alone he now has 12 goals and 13 assists in 24 games. Since the return from the Covid break, he has bagged 1 goal and 2 assists in the league in two games played on May 30 and June 6.

I agree with you. People would quote Oma as a credible source when making such arguments compared to random posts by anonymous folks on Nairaland. His words carry more weight because he is a known figure. That kind joke expensive when coming from someone of his caliber.

safarigirl:
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Because he has a wider audience, yes. He is supposedly a journalist of repute as well, not just some faceless Nairaland commentator.

The fact that you don't understand why his own jokes are particularly offensive, is disturbing.

Do you know Andrew's full name and profession? Can you compare his jokes on a Nigerian site, to that of Oma Akatugba, a supposed renowned journalist on a global platform like Twitter? If he can make such jokes, what stops Fabio from Italy from concluding every Nigerian player is overaged?

The kind of nonsense you lot allow people that should know better get away with, says a lot about why Nigeria has such a shit reputation abroad. No other journalist from other sensible countries would get away with such a joke, but foolish Nigerians are under his comment section cackling like degenerate fowls and agreeing to his statement.

Foolish people, with zero idea of how much a narrative can form opinions.

I understand. Really it could go either way. There were also reports of some states manipulating the numbers to make a strong case for the ease of lockdowns. So yes I agree, accuracy will always be a challenge for different reasons.

Modified.
How do you determine how healthy your population is? Every country has to look into their situation and take measures they deem necessary.

junnyjake:
I'm not calling it a hoax, I'm not sure if you get me. I'm implying that with the death from Covid are not up to 100,000. The flu kills 10s of thousands of Americans, but, this year, all attention has been diverted to covid, no one is recording deaths from the flu.

Covid kills, but not as much as we're made to believe.

Talking about measures, it may be right for the US, they have one of the most unhealthy population in the world. But Japan, Sweden, Belarus never locked down and they've been able to manage the spread.

Well, with the presence of other underlying causes one can't say that they died exclusively due to covid. But if they test positive for covid it's recorded as such. Agreed. But to correct you on the record of death, please find attached below a snapshot from CDC. Take note the + is a record of excess deaths. Compare the period in view for 2020 to that of the most recent years, then ask is the spike in death a coincidence with the outbreak of covid?

Modified
What if measures were not taken at all to slow down the spread of covid, how differently will that chart look today?
Now, this is for US alone. How about the numbers from other countries?

junnyjake:
It's not a hoax, but, I believe it's being exaggerated. I believe this is the period of the yearly flu that kills Americans in their thousands, I stand corrected though.

I also saw a video where Dr. Ezike of the Illinois department of public health said that not all deaths recorded are caused by Covid, but they are diagnosed with Covid at the time of death.

People dying from other causes are recorded as Covid deaths, that's why the number is that large.