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Icon4s:
On Divide and Rule in the North, are you telling me you don't know the effect of "Divide and Rule" in the North?

Please thread members forgive us for this digression we are discussing all for the good of Nigeria.

Prio to 1939 all we had were the Northern and Southern Regions. By 1939 the Southern Region was broken into the West and East.

At Independence, in 1960 we still had 3 Regions: The North, West, and Eastern Regions.

Along with the the 1963 constitution came the creation of the Midwestern Region carved out of the already existing Western Region. Meanwhile the North still remained one strong unified entity.

In 1967, following the declaration of Biafra, Gen. Yakubu Gowon broke up the Eastern Region into 3. This act which is largely responsible for the crack in the defense of the Biafran Territory was one of the greatest blows Ojukwu received. The South Eastern State (today's Cross River and Akwa-Ibom) and Rivers state (Today's Rivers and Bayelsa) were caved out of the Eastern Region. Meanwhile Lagos was carved out of the Western Region as the Federal Capital Territory. Now to the North, this was when the seed of separation was Sown after the Region remained United since amalgamation, which leads to the answer to your question.

The day Gowon divided the North was the day the Northern Unity developed fractures. In 1967, we had 6 states created out of the old Northern Region: Northwestern, Kano, North Eastern, Kwara, Kaduna, Benue-Plateau, and North Eastern state. People from each of these States started to develop their own identity subsequently. The middle belt awareness started creeping in as people from Kwara and Benue-Plateau states recognized their separate identity from the Core North.

Today they find it more convenient saying they are from the middle belt than to say they are from the North.

Let me give u a live example of how this Gowon's 1967 divide and rule policy has affected the North today. One of my security guards. who is from Plateau state, broke a bottle to stab an Igbo man who came for some maintenance work. What transpired between them? In the words of my security man: " I don dey tell this man make him no dey call me Aboki again. I no be Hausa. I be "Amo" from Plateau state". I paused and thought. What is Amo? I quickly figured out it is an Ethnic nationality in Plateau state.

So my brother, you see the length to which a Northern minority can go to defend his not being an Hausa man? That is a seed of Divide and Rule created by General Yakubu Gowon in an attempt to break up the Powers of the Old Eastern Region.

Can we go back to football now please....

Mickael2:
Most of the things you said I will not dispute however I will dispute the fact about the African Traditional Religion. Perfect case scenario, I had an elderly patient showing rudimentary signs of cancer although it was detected in the slightly late stage but it was still treatable so during counselling to get her psychologically ready so her body would accept the treatment I asked her if she knew how to pray that I would give her time to pray that it works, she said she does not believe in my God, fine and good I thought she was an atheist or probably believes in nature or something(naturally I do not believe in the atheist concept, man is a spiritual being and consciously or unconsciously he must believe in something) so I asked her what she believed in that I wouldn't mind, she said she believed in her grandfather's god, I became extremely curious so I asked her what or how she thinks we can involve the said god since during counselling you are taught to always follow the line adopted by the patient except when it is dangerous to the person's wellbeing. So after spending almost an hour loosening her up, she finally told me that it would require a sacrifice but that the next appointment i fixed is too soon for her to have completed the sacrifice of which I asked her what the sacrifice was about and she finally said it may require a human sacrifice since the illness is a dangerous one. Now I want you to understand the various stages here, first I accepted her religion, its her life not mine. Then she said she wants to go and make a sacrifice I agreed I mean even the money you pay as tithe is a sacrifice so no big deal, but then it turns out that her own sacrifice is detrimental to another human, that is where the problem starts from. ATR believes that for life to be given one must be taken away that is why it cannot be supported, that is why it is problematic. So you want to believe that if a king dies we should bury 10 virgins with him? You may call that one custom but there was this philosopher that explained that custom and religion cannot be differentiated from each other, so all these bad customs of ours back in the days was squarely due to our religion, so you think killing of twins made sense? Or you think eating human flesh is cool? There is this tribe I read about, whenever they want to go to war their god demands that they call someone from the opposing village and the warriors will feast on his flesh, that is religion supporting cannibalism, even the white abolished cannibalism in their own part of the world.

Danielnino00:
The egunje thing is the Komekn way jare.. There was this decision on this thread sometimes ago about why Ovie Ejaria was dropped from the u-17 set up.. Oga Southgate said it was because Ejaria didn't settle some people whereas the truth was that the boy had academic and club commitment in his way.. Similar thing was said of Sone Aluko and Dominic Iorfa

safarigirl:
like my father says, nobody is really an Igbo man. Even my people will tell you they are not Igbo, but it depends on the scenario. People are only Igbo when it is favorable, some people swing both ways. Depending on the day you find them, they are Igbo, on some other days, they are not. Even the Ikwerre people who are the most stubborn as regards this, they still sometimes refer to themselves as Igbo.


Do not judge a man by what he says, judge a man by his actions.

DrLikita12:
For the North I think part of the problem is that Northerners generally tend to live close to their hometowns so it's not as easy to run into them. I think most of the people who learn about the diversity of the North have come in contact with some Northerners either through NYSC or by living in the North- Jos, Kaduna, Gombe, Yola, etc. And some people know of the diversity but choose to use it only when the political narrative suits them.
I think Yakubu Gowon's state creation was helpful for minority ethnic groups even though I wish he had done a few things differently. Heads of State after him didn't need to add more states.

Chrismario:
I'm denying it just like you, my problem is his(Komekm's) steady criticisms even when it seems to be none. Sentiment is just universal issue that touches all corners of human endeavor

safarigirl:
the issue is not saying "I know".... The issue is thinking he knows more than those closest to the people

Which travel has Komekn traveled that makes him think he knows more than those with ties to the place? He can drag other Igbos in some parts, but saying the entire Anioma people do not identify as Igbo is the most ignorant statement I have seen all day. He should know when to draw his line

safarigirl:
my mother is Anioma, she is very much Igbo and so are her people who identify so. These same Anioma people are the ones agitating for a state separate from the rest of Delta, and they want this state to be joined with the East as an Eastern State. That your last line get comma

Chrismario:
If Rohr were to be Enrique wey left Jordi Alba out of Spanish team nko?

Icon4s:
I say make I go una dey draw me back again.

OK, on people of the North, have you really been close to a Tiv, Birom, Jukun, Idoma, Angas, Igala, Gbagi, or Shendam man? If not look for any around you and called him a "malam". Then come back here and testify.

DrLikita12:
Thank you, it can be so disrespectful. I personally try to respect people's claims whether I agree or disagree with them.

safarigirl:
Nothing you said here justifies what you stated about "people from that part of the country"

What it clarifies is that you don't know that Echiejile, who is supposed to be the player Moses is scared of or whatever is from Abia State, he is not from THAT part of the country that you called out. So, this does not explain your ignorant comment. It just proves that you were ignorant about Echiejile.


However, doesn't Moses have ties to that part of the country? Shouldn't the tram be more wary of Moses who allegedly has some contact with Benin? Or does his being UK-bred make him unAfrican?


The rest of your statement is laced with ignorance as well. Why do Africans always find the negative in their cultural and religious practices? So, because Senegalese players were practicing certain rituals that white people are exposed to, it is obviously juju and that is so bad? What is the difference between African Traditional Religion and the white man's Christianity? Why do black people look upon their own religious practices as evil and negative while the rituals done by the whites is not evil? The consecration of the body of Christ in the Catholic Church is a ritual, but nobody looks upon it as evil, the pouring of anointing oil on heads is a ritual, but nobody calls it 'diabolic', but an African man takes out some powder and a calabash and boom! He is diabolical.


I am sorry for you people and this warped sense of thinking. It is one of the great reasons why the black man will forever remain in the shadows, because h has no sense of self and has adopted that his ways and his culture are evil and whatever the white man does must be right.

darkelf:
wow

Three pages for discussion of player tribes and state of origin.

On a sports thread.

Whether they are from Mars or deep within the waters of Neptune, inasmuch as they player for Nigeria, we expect their best and nothing less.

Icon4s:
Very simple answer to that.

Divide and rule.

Separate Lagos from the South West Region and in 40years time see if an Isale-Eko man's children will not denounce being Yoruba. For instance, The Ikwerre's didn't know they were not Igbos until Rivers state was carved out of the Former Eastern Region.

Nigeria should forever remain thankful to Gen. Yakubu Gowon. He was really a man of foresight.


I finally rest my case.

Danielnino00:
Exactly what I was telling him..

Salah is currently having a fight with the Egyptian FA but he played and even scored in their last game. Ozil and Nainggolan retired from international football due to issue with their coaches and FA...

Such things are quite common. Moses didn't say anything about an issue with the NFF and there's no evidence anywhere to suggest that there's one. Komekn just wanted to throw insults at the NFF as usual... This is d same man who has been telling us that the foreign born(queen boys precisely) are yet to play for us cus they haven't paid egunje to the NFF

DrLikita12:
There are arguments on Nairaland and Facebook where people 'reject' claims that they are part of larger ethnic groups. Most of us outside of these ethnic groups do not know the history behind their claims so we do not know if these claims have some historical proof or if they are emotional reactions to events that occurred in the past.
For example I used to follow a lady on Facebook who used to say she is Ika and not Igbo and people would keep arguing over this, some other people would also and make similar statements. A man once said he is Okun not Yoruba during one of these arguments, another said he's Ikwerre and not Igbo.
In any case, my point is that these people have the right to associate with whoever/whatever makes them feel comfortable and you cannot blame 'outsiders' who come away believing that Ikas and Ikwerres are not Igbos.
It is the same way I don't appreciate being called Hausa when I introduce myself to people. I know how annoying it is so I try not to do it to other people. I think Komekn is coming from a similar place. If people say their from village A it's annoying and sometimes rude to insist they are from village B.

Icon4s:
I am Pro-Nigeria and an advocate of Unity.

Just like I will not take some Igbo dialects dissociating themselves from the rest of the Igbo ethnic group I am also against the Secessionist moves by the Igbo ethnic group.

Well, lets not derail this thread. Let's discuss football.

Icon4s:
Talking of respecting what other people claim as their Identity.
Will you also respect a particular region of the country's claim of Secessionists identity?

Icon4s:
We used to have social studies. But I understand it has been scrapped and merged with something else to form a New subject.

Knowing about people and places comes majorly from interest. You don't have to travel to a particular region and live with them to know about their way of life.

As I said before, personal interest to know about what goes on outside your environment is key here.

Earthquake1:
Has Solanke played for the three lions?

Icon4s:
Nops, he is clearly supporting there claim.

You saw how he jumped to claim people of Igbanke are closer to Esan than to the Igbos but when I gave him a link he mellowed.

I have a science/engineering back ground but I also developed very keen interest in History, Geography and Economics.

Icon4s:
Hahaha, I once entered a Chinese restaurant in the Middle East, I told them I am a Nigerian. And they were like "where is Nigeria? in America"?

There is a particular top-up card(forgotten the name) in the US we normally use to call our people back home. It has jungle trees and animals drawn on it. I was like "so this is the perception this people have about Africa"?

ChrisKels:
U need the money to better ur life boy, Chris aint no broke Dude begging for alms. So u can keep on licking his scrotal sac, u never can tell, he might decide to make u transfer some day in appreciation for ur job..

Icon4s:
Firstly, on the issue of ignorance of ethnicities in Nigeria. You will be amazed that even people that call themselves professors are also guilty of this. There are people who have hardly left their region yet have read about the different ethnic nationalities in Nigeria. But there are still some that have not gone out and yet have chosen not to read.

I know how difficult it was back then in my school days convincing some people that Urhobo, Ijaw, Ibibio, Efik, Bini and co are not Igbos.

I know the serious quarrel I had with some one back then when he told me Lawrence Aneni is "Ibo". I told him to his face that he is an illiterate. Something that didn't go down well with him.

Then on the issue of Anioma, Ika, Ikwerre not being Igbo. I just want to tell u in summary that they are Igbos. If I go deep down into this discussion I will derail this thread.

komekn:
I am sorry to use the term Ignorance but it's something I come across quite often.

Some people have such limited life experience and parochial view of Nigeria that they think Uhrobo, Ijaw, Ikwrre, Ogoni, etc are Ibo.

The Anioma people of Delta may be related to the Igbo but do not consider themselves as Igbo, I mean the Ika, Kwale, people to mention just a few.

ChrisKels:
Leave Dat boy abeg, I dont kno why u guys take him seriously. U guys over rate him. To me, he is just another wannabe in a faceless forum, I no dey see him. Dats y he doesn't like anything about me, because I rub it in his face.

Icon4s:
Particularly those that have hardly left their regions.

There are many that believe anybody from the North is an Hausa.

There are some that also believe Edo, Delta, Rivers, etc are Igbos. To them if you are not Hausa or Yoruba then you are "Ibo".

wayodude:
E no get wetin person no go see for nairaland sha

I've also had to correct people here who said Ikpeba and aghahowa were igbo.

Nothing beats the oyinbo boy who insisted the Okocha played for Milan one time and was ready to bet with me. This was long before the days of transfermarkt lol

nelszx:
Elderson is cousin to brila fm CEO Larry Izamoje, he's from Edo state not Anambra. Edo people most times answer names similar to Igbos.

Truidstar:
Uwa - Edo
Echiejele- Esan or Owan

I don't have time to engage in pointless arguments, I have followed his progress from Bendel insurance to date. He is Edo confirmed.

cc12:
He might be Esan, I have confirmed it,he is from Edo state, his full name is Tyronne Efe Ebuehi

cc12:
He is from Anambra state,his full name is Uwa Elderson Echiejile, when did people from Edo state started bearing Igbo names, he was born and born and bred in Benin city,Edo state doesn't me he's from there