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As long as they are performing I will even consider the German, Spanish second tier. Those Championship players have to perform. What's their stats looking like?

komekn:
I have a had a lot of heated discussion on this topic.

Belgium league is rated 8, Turkish 10 and the Dutch 11.

The Bundesliga for me is characterised by the complete dominance Of Bayern followed by Dortmund. It's not as competitive as the EPL in my opinion.

With regards to the Belgium league it's a lot easier to score goals because again its not as competitive as the EPL. Consider how many top World class players play in the Belgium and Turkish leagues and how many in the EPL. That's another indicative yardstick for quality.

When we then get to the European Champions league everyone raises thier game just like the English FA cup. Tottenham played Real Madrid and it was a draw they could have won the game. But over all Tottenham is not better than Real Madrid.

In this regard I rate the English championship better than the Belgium, Austrian, Dutch and Turkish leagues. That doesn't mean there are not quality players thier but they would have to be the best in that league to be considered top quality.

For instance Dele Alli, Gomez, Ademola,
Galleries all left league 1 straight to the premiership.

If that's Rohr view that the championship is not good enough quality then he is very mistaken and out of touch. The championship is the first stepping stone to the EPL.

Oliver Burke left Nottingham forest fc to Liepzig in the Bundesliga, who are currently number three in the Bundesliga currently.

If you are a top player in the championship you are ready for the EPL. And if a team is struggling in the EPL after relegation and season later. You will be in League one. That's the story of Wigan, Bolton, Wolves and many others. Consider Sunderland after being relegated from the EPL last season are now at the bottom of the Championship in the relegation zone.

It shows the depth of competition in the English championship.

I'm assuming we didn't. So tell me who we had.

TheGoodJoe:
Tell me we did not have mixed group of players from the eighties to nineties.

Name those that were foreign based on the early 80s. At least we have google.

TheGoodJoe:
It was a mixed camp. Based on the best. Both local and foreign after careful analysis and selection.

My question to you. Where they mostly home based at the time?

TheGoodJoe:
I spent about 15 years in the national team but those who do not know won’t believe it. I was a product of eight years before I broke into the national team. I started with the Green Eagles in November 1981.

We started camp with 182 players and it was Rabar Madjer that denied us a place at the World Cup. That was the Chukwu, Odegbami era and the team was disbanded.

When it was going to be rebuilt, over 140 players were invited and that was when I met the likes of Ben Iroha, Monday Eguavoen, Azuka Abor, Bright Omokaro, Peter Rufai, Steven Keshi and the late Benjamin Okorogwu who was my room mate at the NIS camp.

When the team was cut to 60, I made the list and when it was cut to 30 I also made it and we began camping for the Libya’82 Nations Cup but I was dropped at the end of the day.

http://www.transparentnigeria.com/news_entries/26308/Keshi,-Amokachi-ruined-US%E2%80%9994-Super-Eagles-%E2%80%93Moses-Kpakor

An example how it was done back in the days. All these, this one scored in China, this one has a regular shirt in Hong Kong, this one the coach dropped on bench means he should not go to World Cup is all guess work.

Unless someone can come up with another system that can give a precise method of screening out the best players for the country and give all the potential quality players a fair chance, we will keep going to tournaments and games without the best players.

Nwakaeme and Dessers as sub, if he gets the chance.

I see this as final test for the bench warmers and an opportunity to cap-tie

daveP:
I'm even tired of warning Tammy jare. off this, who would you prefer to head attack vs algeria?

They assume. You can only say they know if they are sure. Oftentimes their assumption could be wrong. So yes let's not reaffirm their beliefs.

komekn:
Let me tell you something.

The operative word is PROOF, I know a lot of heads of recruitment and a very small number of football club managers. But one thing is clear, they know that we cut age, they know that we are telling lies and most times they do not believe our ages.

But you know what, THEY DON'T CARE as long as thier is no substantive evidential proof and their is money to be made. Everybody gets thier cut everybody is happy.

That's essentially the bottom line.

Lol. They have a history of racism, slavery and oppression so they have to deal with the tag. However I was just stating a fact that hate based on race, tribe etc is pretty the same.

daveP:
They have 1st class uppest in racism and thats just it to me. i wasnt generalizing though. behind cameras is the reality.

Hahaha

Napoleon55:
your list good for first camping,

Would you consider Oliseh's statement to Ekong a racist remark, when he said Oyibo are soft?

How about the plethora of tribaliatic hate-filled
remarks we make against ourselves in this country? I don't think racism is necessarily white thing. It just happens to be that they are somewhat in control that's why theirs is a bigger issue.

daveP:
These whites sef. theyl be hiding behind this 'humor intended' cloud.

Well somebody said the guy is not racist but he made racist remarks that were humor intended.. that's what they are known for

tbaba1234:
Eni Aluko has been vindicated. It has been proven that he did make racist remarks against her. The FA tried to cover it up and she faced a lot of backlash.

To be sincere, if we were to give 4 slots to each position, I think all the players deserve to be there based on what we have available. There are still some slots to spare.. Not to say the players are all that good.

Humility017:
yeah I understand....
just that I would have love it more...if you were frank and more sincere in respective of whose ass is goared..

i'm not sure what's really going on.. The former coach made a humorous racist remark but is not racist? What exactly is the verdict?

tbaba1234:
No wahala. Are you following the Eni Aluko situation?

He wasn't impressive in the EPL by level standards. It's just like making excuses for Iheanacho now. I know you wouldn't do that.. Like I said I don't think Rohr's radar is in the Championship. Just my feeling though.

komekn:
He Aluko was impressive on Hull for a essentially a kick and rush team. Was voted as one of the best players in the championship. Fulham narrowly missed out on promotion. He went to Reading for £ 7.5 million that's a big price tag for a 28 year old.

Onomah has played more games for Tottenham than Aina has played for Chelsea. In front of Onomah are World class midfielders such as Wanyama, Sissoko, Dembele, Dier, Lamela, Eriksen, etc

Onomah has played nearly all games this season for Villa where he is on loan scoring twice. Very effective and disciplined midfielder with great vision and and a good passing ability. He is the anchor man for Englands U21. Even scored a wonder goal for England.

that's why I used the word encompassing. No matter how hard I try, somebody's player will still be missing.. So it's impossible to please everybody. Just trying to fault the pool idea..

Humility017:
you tried...but I see you putting in some players just to please some persons here....
you and I know...some of those players you put their names up there won't smell SE invitation let alone make the world cup provisional list.

TheGoodJoe talking about Rohr inviting a pool of players for camping before the world cup.. Who to invite is still a problem o.. I've tried to put together an encompassing pool. I know somebody will still complain his player is missing.. That kind arrangement go cause confusion for camp hahaha

oya take a look at this:

Norwich tried hard to have him return before this current season, but he turned them down for Ipswich.

komekn:
It's a strange one really, I met one of the agents heavily involved at Norwich and they didn't rate him that much. They did say he was studying for his degree and in the end he was released at Norwich.

Now he is playing for a very A typical English Manager at Ipswich where technical football is not on the main menu.

I will because of you and my desire to see Dominic Iorfa see both of them live in the coming weeks.

I was replying to your earlier mention of Onomah and co. I was just saying Aluko is older, and as regards the likes of Onomah, how many youngy we wan carry go world cup? Realistically, I don't think half of them can dislodge current SE players.. but well let's not have another round of argument on that. Back to Aluko, he wasn't impressive in the EPL, but I agree he gave a good account of himself in SE colors. If he's not got a recall, it's simply because I thin Rohr does not consider the Championship as a top league. How many players has he gone for in the Championship? Aina's case is different. We all know he had a couple games for Chelsea before he was loaned.

komekn:
Aluko is not that Old, 28 is not old and it's not just football age. If to say dem born am for Warri he would be only 22/23 No shakin.

Arguably one of the most technically gifted players in the championship. Who did not play ball with NFF officials and a particular very hungry coach that's why he was shamelessly frozen out when he was playing for Hull in the EPL.

Why do you think he has not been invited, who is actually proven, tested and better.

Those 4 players you mentioned are very different from each other .

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Mickael2:
I see wisdom in your post. Uche's style of play as a 9 is essential the same with Nacho's style of play, Ighalo's style and Tammy's style are almost the same too. So invite all four to camp, check which one of them is the best from each style using some friendly games and training sessions, choose the best from each style and from the remaining two decide who is best suited for the final spot in the team and we are good to go

Those 4 players you mentioned are very different from eachother .

Mickael2:
I see wisdom in your post. Uche's style of play as a 9 is essential the same with Nacho's style of play, Ighalo's style and Tammy's style are almost the same too. So invite all four to camp, check which one of them is the best from each style using some friendly games and training sessions, choose the best from each style and from the remaining two decide who is best suited for the final spot in the team and we are good to go

Those 4 players you mentioned are very different.

Mickael2:
I see wisdom in your post. Uche's style of play as a 9 is essential the same with Nacho's style of play, Ighalo's style and Tammy's style are almost the same too. So invite all four to camp, check which one of them is the best from each style using some friendly games and training sessions, choose the best from each style and from the remaining two decide who is best suited for the final spot in the team and we are good to go

I must admit, after watching Abraham's 26 goals from last term, and his 4 goals so far in the Premier League, he is more of a poacher --something the Super Eagles is lacking. And I can't find any player home or abroad with his poaching instincts. He can definitely bring something to the team.

As regards the others, yes let Rohr decide. These are young guys (excluding Aluko) so when I think of them, I think beyond Russia. So why not just make the move now for the future?

How about Tom Adeyemi the CMF? His stats not too impressive, but his video clips tells more. Have you seen him play?

komekn:
There is something we don’t talk about that much essentially because most people do not know.

What was the nature, substance, timing of the approach, who did the approach and where was it done.

We have a very good bunch of top Nigerian players in the England U21.

We assume that they refused. In many instances a proper approach was not made.

Right now we have 4/5 players who should be invited to camp and then let Rohr decide.

Dominic Iorfa
Seyi Ojo
Tega Onomah
Sone Aluko
Fred Onyedinma


For me Tega Abrahams is no longer a prospective player but a proven tested and confirmed No.9 now the hottest young striker in the premiership. That's why he is not in the list above. He brings immediate quality to the SE.

I could add that all five in my list bring definite quality that is proven and tested as well. But how much we do not know until they play a few friendlies and we see them in camp.

NIGERIANS TO WATCH IN THE EUROPA LEAGUE

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RED STAR BELGRADE vs ARSENAL
Arsenal travel to Belgrade with Chuba Akpom ( ? ) and Alex Iwobi

FK ZORYA vs HERTHA BERLIN
Jordan Torunarigha will hope not to give away another penalty in Ukraine, as Hertha tackle Zorya.

BEER SHEVA vs FCSB
Super Eagles duo, Anthony Nwakaeme and John Ogu welcome FC Steaua Bucharest to Israel.

KONYASPOR vs SALZBURG
24 year old Konyaspor Center Foward, Patrick Friday Eze, will hope to open his goal account in Europe, after getting an assist in the last Europa League fixture. They entertain Austrian club, Salzburg.

LUGANO vs PLZN
Super Eagles hopeful, left-back Stanley Amuzie will likely make his debut in European club competition as his swiss side, Lugano host Viktoria Plzen of Czech Republic.

OSTERSUND vs BILBAO
Ostersunds influential forward, Alhaji Gero will be unleashed again when they welcome Atletico Bilbao at Jämtkraft Arena. Gero has had a hand in 2 of 3 goals scored by Ostersund so far in this Campaign.

WAREGEM vs VITESSE
Vitesse travel to Belgium to face Peter Olayinka's Waregem. Waregem has scored only one goal after two games in the Europa League -- thanks to Olayinka's assist. Will Kingsley Madu make Waregem's matchday squad?

ZENIT vs ROSENBORG
Samuel Adegbenro hasn't found the net in Europe since his famous brace that sent Ajax packing. Adegbenro who scored one of Rosenborg's goals this past weekend, will hope to replicate his fine Eliteserien form away in Petersburg.

AUSTRIA VIENNA vs RIJEKA
Austria Vienna host Rijeka with Ibrahim "Muazam" Alhassan expected to be in the thick of things. Nigerian "Gianlugi Buffon" David Nwokolor is expected to make Rijeka's bench for the first time in Europe. He was listed by Rijeka in their last two league matches.

EVERTON vs LYON
Lookman Ademola is expected to be in Everton's matchday squad as they tackle visiting Lyon.

SKENDERBEU vs PARTIZAN
After missing out from Partizan's matchday squad in their last Europa League fixture, Theophilus Solomon will hope to return as they travel to Skenderbeau (Albania)

ZLIN vs FC COPENHAGEN
Ubong Ekpai's Zlin welcome FC Copenhagen of Denmark. Moses has been a regular for Zlin so far both in Europe and in the Czech top-tier. The right winger will hope to get on the scoresheet after failing to score for a while now. He has managed two goals so far in the domestic league.

Super Eagles players to share from FIFA's N4.5b bonus -
Uche Duru | 19/10/2017


All the Super Eagles players who featured in Nigeria's qualification journey to the 2018 World Cup are set to share from the N4.5 billion FIFA bonus due Nigeria for being among the 32 teams to vie for honours in Russia.

FIFA will pay the Nigeria Football Federation (NFF) $12.5 million (about N4.5 billion), which is $10 million (N3.6 billion) for qualifying for the 2018 World Cup tournament and $2.5 million to prepare for the competition in Russia.

According to reports, 37 players participated in Nigeria’s march to the 2018 World Cup and each of these players will receive a share of the qualification bonus.

Meanwhile, there will be more money for the Super Eagles from FIFA if the team happens to make it to the knock out stages of the tournament.

u can exaggerate sha o.. na ur way

forgiveness:
Sir, if people are singing the song of pursuing foreign born players today, I thought them that song whole heartedly for donkey before they started dancing to the tune and now sanging d sung..

In short, I was almost crucified for that but here we are, all the foreign borns are currently the best in the team. Mikel Obi excluded.

He made the drop with Almeria. Bad agent at work. Usually, he should have been retained by another La Liga side.

Mickael2:
the guy has been very good which is why when theGoodJoe said he isn't fast I was left confused, the same Azeez that plays for Lugo? The guy has a nice passing range, he isn't the most flashy but he does his work with diligence. Watching him I think he can play both the CMF and DMF role very well, beats me how he is playing for Lugo

I think the problem we have and it will take us years and years for it to go away is that we don't have computerized way of keeping records.
In fact almost all health institutions in NIGERIA have refused to embrace the technology of keeping records. I remember going to a National hospital in Abuja the other day, and a patient will have to move from one office to another within the hospital before you finally get to the queue to be seen by a doctor. In this age? it's crazy. Forge affidavit of age declaration is so common. I wonder why everybody seem to have lost their original birth certificates. I still have mine till this day. Corruption is now our culture.. Although I believe some Nigerians are not corrupt, but even the masses partake in corruption like it is the only way to get by. The situation is just pathetic.

Kog45:
When we are saying let go back to d old day doesn't mean go back to d old system.

But let have a modern day plan for our young ones with youth programs like Principal cup,YSFON, NIPOGA,NUGA instead of focusing on local league for our under age national team.

I didn't expect that from you. But thanks so much for the apology.

komekn:
The diction, That's a BIG FAT LIE is wrong and really I withdraw that with humble pie apology.

What I should have said I DISAGREE STRONGLY it's an opinion not a fact. And to be honest Tbaba has always been a gentleman so that's ungentle manly conduct on my part.

When did corruption start in Nigeria, and when will it end?
Now that we have MRI hopefully we will use it with all sincerity.
I hope you know where I am going? It's a pipe dream..

Kog45:
Yes we need to go back to d day of principal cup,YSFON,NIPOGA,NUGA and other youth development programs with honestly and sincerity,i thinks something w comes out of it.

Nobody denied that

edi287:
Wenger also tried to block him from playing for us.

Big YES

Kog45:
Jobie pls has anybody on this thread condemned our pursuit of foreign born players

Would love to see him play against Algeria.

PROVERBZ:
My first time of watching onyekuru play from starting to end

What I noticed
The guy is fast could have scored earlier in the game but his header was saved by the PSG keeper the way he sneaked into the defence to take the header very fast


No 2 he should keep a calm head I noticed after he teases dani alves with a brilliant skill alves was looking to provoke him and he succeeded when he pushed onyekuru and onyekuru pushed him back in the process getting a yellow card

3rdly the guy knows how to calm the game down and play connecting passes something the while team lacked as they where always in a hurry and where easily dispossessed


And lastly he is not going to develope by staying in Anderlecht he should return to Everton his team mates are shiiiiii. The only players who knew what they where doing where the Ghanaian guy mensah ,onyekuru and one Bruno who is on loan from Leipzig only den for me

NIGERIAN MAKES WHOSCORED BEST XI

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Mikel Agu, like Ejike, had the highest rating in the Turkish Super Lig. He made the Best XI of the week.