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Politics › Re: RAW VIDEO: Nigeria Police Academy Of Shame- "Block 7" by Joel3(m): 7:37pm On Feb 12, 2013
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Christianity Etc › TB Joshua Facebook Traffic Increases After Victory Of AFCON Final Prediction by Joel3(op): 5:52pm On Feb 12, 2013
What do you have to say.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Says: The Earth Is Flat! by Joel3(op): 5:37pm On Feb 12, 2013
pointblank 321: Stop pretending. You are a liar like your god, allah.
i am a christian, for real. I dont know or woship allah. In as much as i believe in jesus, the old testament dont go down with me. When you are enlighten and educated you will have alot of problem with religion. Jesus i love you
Christianity Etc › Re: Did Noah Put Fish On His Ark? by Joel3(op): 5:19pm On Feb 12, 2013
Genesis 5:32-10:1
New International Version (NIV)
32 After Noah was 500 years old, he
became the father of Shem, Ham and
Japheth.
Wickedness in the World
When human beings began to increase in
number on the earth and daughters were
born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that
the daughters of humans were beautiful,
and they married any of them they chose.
3 Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not
contend with[a] humans forever, for they
are mortal[b]; their days will be a hundred
and twenty years.”
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those
days—and also afterward—when the sons
of God went to the daughters of humans
and had children by them. They were the
heroes of old, men of renown.
5 The LORD saw how great the wickedness
of the human race had become on the
earth, and that every inclination of the
thoughts of the human heart was only evil
all the time. 6 The LORD regretted that he
had made human beings on the earth, and
his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the
LORD said, “I will wipe from the face of the
earth the human race I have created—and
with them the animals, the birds and the
creatures that move along the ground—for
I regret that I have made them.” 8 But Noah
found favor in the eyes of the LORD.
Noah and the Flood
9 This is the account of Noah and his family.
Noah was a righteous man, blameless
among the people of his time, and he
walked faithfully with God. 10 Noah had
three sons: Shem, Ham and Japheth.
11 Now the earth was corrupt in God’s
sight and was full of violence. 12 God saw
how corrupt the earth had become, for all
the people on earth had corrupted their
ways. 13 So God said to Noah, “I am going
to put an end to all people, for the earth is
filled with violence because of them. I am
surely going to destroy both them and the
earth. 14 So make yourself an ark of cypress
[c] wood; make rooms in it and coat it with
pitch inside and out. 15 This is how you are
to build it: The ark is to be three hundred
cubits long, fifty cubits wide and thirty
cubits high. [d] 16 Make a roof for it, leaving
below the roof an opening one cubit[e]
high all around.[f] Put a door in the side of
the ark and make lower, middle and upper
decks. 17 I am going to bring floodwaters
on the earth to destroy all life under the
heavens, every creature that has the breath
of life in it. Everything on earth will perish.
18 But I will establish my covenant with
you, and you will enter the ark—you and
your sons and your wife and your sons’
wives with you. 19 You are to bring into the
ark two of all living creatures, male and
female, to keep them alive with you. 20 Two
of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal
and of every kind of creature that moves
along the ground will come to you to be
kept alive. 21 You are to take every kind of
food that is to be eaten and store it away as
food for you and for them.”
22 Noah did everything just as God
commanded him.
The LORD then said to Noah, “Go into the
ark, you and your whole family, because I
have found you righteous in this
generation. 2 Take with you seven pairs of
every kind of clean animal, a male and its
mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean
animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also
seven pairs of every kind of bird, male and
female, to keep their various kinds alive
throughout the earth. 4 Seven days from
now I will send rain on the earth for forty
days and forty nights, and I will wipe from
the face of the earth every living creature I
have made.”
5 And Noah did all that the LORD
commanded him.
6 Noah was six hundred years old when
the floodwaters came on the earth. 7 And
Noah and his sons and his wife and his
sons’ wives entered the ark to escape the
waters of the flood. 8 Pairs of clean and
unclean animals, of birds and of all
creatures that move along the ground,
9 male and female, came to Noah and
entered the ark, as God had commanded
Noah. 10 And after the seven days the
floodwaters came on the earth.
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life,
on the seventeenth day of the second
month—on that day all the springs of the
great deep burst forth, and the floodgates
of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain
fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.
13 On that very day Noah and his sons,
Shem, Ham and Japheth, together with his
wife and the wives of his three sons,
entered the ark. 14 They had with them
every wild animal according to its kind, all
livestock according to their kinds, every
creature that moves along the ground
according to its kind and every bird
according to its kind, everything with
wings. 15 Pairs of all creatures that have
the breath of life in them came to Noah and
entered the ark. 16 The animals going in
were male and female of every living thing,
as God had commanded Noah. Then the
LORD shut him in.
17 For forty days the flood kept coming on
the earth, and as the waters increased they
lifted the ark high above the earth. 18 The
waters rose and increased greatly on the
earth, and the ark floated on the surface of
the water. 19 They rose greatly on the
earth, and all the high mountains under the
entire heavens were covered. 20 The
waters rose and covered the mountains to
a depth of more than fifteen cubits. [g][h]
21 Every living thing that moved on land
perished—birds, livestock, wild animals, all
the creatures that swarm over the earth,
and all mankind. 22 Everything on dry land
that had the breath of life in its nostrils
died. 23 Every living thing on the face of the
earth was wiped out; people and animals
and the creatures that move along the
ground and the birds were wiped from the
earth. Only Noah was left, and those with
him in the ark.
24 The waters flooded the earth for a
hundred and fifty days.
But God remembered Noah and all the
wild animals and the livestock that were
with him in the ark, and he sent a wind
over the earth, and the waters receded.
2 Now the springs of the deep and the
floodgates of the heavens had been closed,
and the rain had stopped falling from the
sky. 3 The water receded steadily from the
earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty
days the water had gone down, 4 and on
the seventeenth day of the seventh month
the ark came to rest on the mountains of
Ararat. 5 The waters continued to recede
until the tenth month, and on the first day
of the tenth month the tops of the
mountains became visible.
6 After forty days Noah opened a window
he had made in the ark 7 and sent out a
raven, and it kept flying back and forth until
the water had dried up from the earth.
8 Then he sent out a dove to see if the
water had receded from the surface of the
ground. 9 But the dove could find nowhere
to perch because there was water over all
the surface of the earth; so it returned to
Noah in the ark. He reached out his hand
and took the dove and brought it back to
himself in the ark. 10 He waited seven more
days and again sent out the dove from the
ark. 11 When the dove returned to him in
the evening, there in its beak was a freshly
plucked olive leaf! Then Noah knew that the
water had receded from the earth. 12 He
waited seven more days and sent the dove
out again, but this time it did not return to
him.
13 By the first day of the first month of
Noah’s six hundred and first year, the water
had dried up from the earth. Noah then
removed the covering from the ark and saw
that the surface of the ground was dry.
14 By the twenty-seventh day of the second
month the earth was completely dry.
15 Then God said to Noah, 16 “Come out of
the ark, you and your wife and your sons
and their wives. 17 Bring out every kind of
living creature that is with you—the birds,
the animals, and all the creatures that move
along the ground—so they can multiply on
the earth and be fruitful and increase in
number on it.”
18 So Noah came out, together with his
sons and his wife and his sons’ wives. 19 All
the animals and all the creatures that move
along the ground and all the birds—
everything that moves on land—came out
of the ark, one kind after another.
20 Then Noah built an altar to the LORD
and, taking some of all the clean animals
and clean birds, he sacrificed burnt
offerings on it. 21 The LORD smelled the
pleasing aroma and said in his heart:
“Never again will I curse the ground
because of humans, even though [i] every
inclination of the human heart is evil from
childhood. And never again will I destroy all
living creatures, as I have done.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did Noah Put Fish On His Ark? by Joel3(op): 5:15pm On Feb 12, 2013
Well, the Bible says that everything
that wasn't on the Ark died. It
doesn't specify & say anything about
the fish. People pick & choose, and
they say "they could survive, because
it was water" -- but the Bible states
that anything left out of the Ark was
killed. So, he had to have every single
marine life on the Ark as well. And
think about how big it had to be. It
had every single type of species on
that Ark, it had to be the size of a
couple countries at least. Do you
really think the lions didn't eat the
other animals? Do you think that
Noah could keep up with cleaning
the animals, giving them food, and
water? I think not.
Christianity Etc › Did Noah Put Fish On His Ark? by Joel3(op): 5:12pm On Feb 12, 2013
Because when the flood came about
fresh water would have mixed with
salt water. Not all fresh water fish
can survive in salt water and not all
salt water fish can survive in fresh
water.
And if he did put two of each type of
fish on this ark, just how big was
this thinghuh
Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Says: The Earth Is Flat! by Joel3(op): 4:33pm On Feb 12, 2013
I am not a muslim, i said i am christain and i found that site. So i decide to share with with fellow christain to explain things to me. Me my hand nor dey oo. I wash my hand o
Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Says: The Earth Is Flat! by Joel3(op): 1:01pm On Feb 12, 2013
hello, i am a christian but on seing this i was shocked, can any christian is the house confirm and clearify this? Source www.answering-christianity.com/earth_flat.htm
Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Says: The Earth Is Flat! by Joel3(op): 12:50pm On Feb 12, 2013
The light of the Universe and the flat earth's
dimensions in the Bible:
The following is an email I received from
brother Mohammed Riaz M; may Allah
Almighty always be pleased with him.
Here is excellent proof that the author of the
corrupted bible thought that the earth was
a flat one.
1. Job 37:33 He unleashes his lightning
beneath the whole heaven and sends it to
the ends of the earth.
Riaz : Lighting doesn't travel around the
earth the biblical god thought his earth was
a small, flat one.
2. Job 38:44 "Where were you when I laid
the earth's foundation?Tell me, if you
understand. Who marked off its
dimensions? Surely you know! Who
stretched a measuring line across it?
Riaz : If the author of the bible thought of a
globe earth then the last question in job 38:
44 should of read "Who stretched a
measuring line around it?"
Job 38:13 That it might take hold of the
ends of the earth, that the wicked might be
shaken out of it?
Riaz : Does a sphere have ends, and how
can you grab the ends of a sphere? Only a
flat disc or square could be grabbed and
shaken in this way.
Conclusion:
The Bible not only failed to claim that the
Earth was egg-shaped, but it also claimed in
numerous verses as shown above that the
Earth is flat, has Edges, has Four Corners, has
Pillars, and has Foundations. As I said
above, no unbiased person would deny the
obvious and embarrassing quotes above.
Only the desperate biased Jews and
Christians would.
Back to Historical Corruption and
Contradictions in the Bible section.
Just who wrote the Bible? See comments
from the Historians and Theologians of the
NIV Bible itself admitting to the corruption
of the Bible right from the NIV Bible's
commentary itself.
The Earth is round according to Islam.
Allah Almighty said that the earth is "egg-
shaped".
Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Says: The Earth Is Flat! by Joel3(op): 12:48pm On Feb 12, 2013
Further on we now have refuted those
layman scholars who say the word in Isaiah
means a Globe: EVANGELICAL CHRISTIAN
scholars who agree that Isaiah 40:22 does
NOT speak of a spherical earth. There are
even Evangelical publishers of books and
Bible commentaries who do NOT teach that
Isaiah 40:22 speaks of a spherical earth.
BAKER BOOKS and evangelical publisher
published the following book about Isaiah
40:22:
What You Know Might Not Be So: 220
Misinterpretations of Bible Texts Explained
by David C. Downing Paperback (September
1987) Baker Book House; ISBN:
0801029759.
And EVANGELICALS now have a commentary
on Genesis available which takes the ancient
Near Eastern context of Genesis seriously. It
is Genesis, The NIV Application Commentary
by John H. Walton (past professor of OT at
Moody Bible Institute, and now at
Wheaton),published by Zondervan, 2001.
Although it is not a technical commentary
like Gordon Wenham's, it is a solid scholarly
piece of work. 759 pages, nearly half of
which deal with Genesis 1-11. Paul Seely, an
Evangelical scholar, has even written a paper
that was published in the WESTMINSTER
REVIEW (an EVANGELICAL college), in which
he says the following:
The Geographical Meaning of Earth Seas in
Genesis 1:10
by Paul Seely:
"There is one verse in the OT, however,
which has often been cited at least by
laymen as a proof that the earth was
understood to be a globe. I refer to Isaiah
40:22 which speaks of God as the One
sitting above the circle of the earth. This
verse does imply that the earth is circular,
but there is nothing either in the underlying
Hebrew word (hug) or in the context which
necessarily implies anything more than the
circularity of the flat earth-disc which the
historical context and Genesis 1 have given
us as the meaning of. If Isaiah had intended
to speak of the earth as a globe, he would
probably have used the word he used in
22:18 (dur), meaning 'ball.' "
For as E. J. Young noted, Isaiah 40:22
describes God as seated on the zenith, the
highest point directly overhead. Thus the
verse implies that earth's dwellers, all
mankind according to Psalm 33:13, 14, are
clearly visible from a very high point directly
overhead. This imagery fits most naturally
the conception of the earth below as a flat
disc, not a globe. For if the earth were a
globe, part of all mankind namely earth's
dwellers in Australia, Argentina, South Africa,
etc... could not be seen from a point directly
overhead. One could force the issue by
appealing to God's omniscience, but Isaiah
40:22 (as well as the other verses which
mention God looking down) is focused on
God's height above the earth; and his seeing
all mankind is derived from that height.
That phrase "the circle of the earth" in no
way implies sphericity is confirmed by the
fact that in Egypt this phrase was used to
refer to the earth as a flat circular disc. So
when interpreted within its historical and
biblical context Isaiah 40:22 implies indeed
that the earth is circular in shape but also
that it is flat.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Says: The Earth Is Flat! by Joel3(op): 12:41pm On Feb 12, 2013
For those Jews and Christians who would
like to see where in the Noble Quran does
Allah Almighty say that the planets in space
rotate and move, read the following Noble
Verse:
"It is He who created the night and the day,
and the sun and the moon, all (the celestial
bodies) swim along, each in its orbit with its
own motion. (The Noble Quran, 21:33)"
For more information and other Noble
Verses, please visit:
Science in the Noble Quran and Islam.
The Earth is round according to Islam.
The Earth has pillars?!
"He shakes the earth from its place and
makes its pillars tremble. (From the NIV
Bible, Job 9:6)"
"Where were you when I laid the earth's
foundation? Tell me, if you understand.
(From the NIV Bible, Job 38:4)"
The Earth has Edges?!
"that it might take the earth by the edges
and shake the wicked out of it? (From the
NIV Bible, Job 38:13)"
"He unleashes his lightning beneath the
whole heaven and sends it to the ends of
the earth. (From the NIV Bible, Job 37:3)"
"for he views the ends of the earth and sees
everything under the heavens. (From the
NIV Bible, Job 28:24)"
"Their measure is longer than the earth and
wider than the sea. (From the NIV Bible, Job
11:9)"
Does Isaiah 40:22 really say that Earth is
Round?
It is quite clear that the above Biblical Verses
suggest and claim that the Earth is flat, has
Edges, has Four Corners, has Pillars, and has
Foundations. No unbiased person would
deny the straight forward quotes above.
Only the desperate biased Jews and
Christians would.
Some desperate Christians have gone as far
as presenting Isaiah 40:22 to try to prove
that the Bible claims that the earth is round.
Let us look at what the Verse says:
"He sits enthroned above the circle of the
earth, and its people are like grasshoppers.
He stretches out the heavens like a canopy,
and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
(From the NIV Bible, Isaiah 40:22)"
First of all, a circle is not a ball or sphere or
an egg-shaped object. A circle is a flat
round surface, similar to flat rectangular, or
square, or triangular surfaces. So if the
Bible claims that the Earth is a circle, then
this is still bogus because the earth is
obviously not a flat surface.
We have two conditions here:
1- Isaiah 40:22 is claiming that the Earth is a
flat circle.
2- Isaiah 40:22 is claiming that the Earth has
a circle above it.
If we were to take condition #1, then we
are left with a clear and irrefutable
contradiction between Isaiah 40:22 and
some of the Bible's verses that I mentioned
above in the article, because a flat circle
doesn't have "four corners", and ironically in
either case, we still have a scientifically false
claim about the Earth's shape.
IF we were to take condition #2, then it
doesn't prove that the Earth is an egg-
shaped figure, and Isaiah 40:22 surely
becomes irrelevant to this subject.
One thing is for sure clear, and that is Isaiah
40:22 is obviously ambiguous and not clear
if we wish to prove from it that the Earth is
not flat and is egg-shaped. If we look at
what the entire Bible says (as presented
above by all the Verses) about the shape of
the Earth as the Roman Catholic Church did
in the past, then we would reach the same
conclusion they reached, and that is: The
Earth is Flat!
Certainly, when Christopher Columbus
thought that he could reach India by going
west in the Atlantic ocean instead of east as
it was traditionally done, the Church in
Europe was afraid that he will eventually
reach the "end of the earth" and the "Edges
of the earth" as the Bible clearly says above,
and fall off into the space and die.
After he was able to convince the Queen
that the adventure was worth the try,
Christopher Columbus had survived several
assassination attempts while he and his
people were sailing in the ocean, because
his Christian Church-believing mates were
afraid and wanted to go back.
When he finally found America, he thought
he reached India. That's why the North
American Continent was called "India", and
the Native Americans were called "Red
Indians".
This is at least what I learned from my "US
History" class when I was in High School.
Christian Theologians' Commentaries that
further suggest that the Earth is flat:
The following is an email I received from
brother Mohammed; may Allah Almighty
always be pleased with him.
Subj: (no subject)
Date: 4/24/02 8:22:58 AM Central Daylight
Time
From: MOHAMMEDALTAFK@aol.com
To: ISLM4EVR1@aol.com
Assalamu alaikum Dear brother
Look at this Pre-scientific view: Ancient
Pagan religions in the Mediterranean area
and Middle East taught that the universe
was quite tiny. Earth is more or less flat, like
a dinner plate. Mountains around the edges
held up a rigid dome which formed the sky.
The sun, moon, planets and stars traveled
across the underside of the dome of the sky
on a daily basis. God sits on his throne in
Heaven, which lies above the canopy. This
applies to Isaiah 40:22.
Christianity Etc › The Bible Says: The Earth Is Flat! by Joel3(op): 12:39pm On Feb 12, 2013
The sections of this article are:
- The Bible says: The Earth is flat!
- The flat Earth is established and can
never move?! The Sun hurries back to
where
it rises?!
- The Earth has pillars?!
- The Earth has Edges?! The wicked might
get shaken off of it and fall off in
space?!
- Does Isaiah 40:22 really say that Earth is
Round? The Earth is a flat circle?!
- Christian Theologians' Commentaries
that further suggest that the Earth
is flat.
- The light of the Universe and the flat
earth's dimensions in the Bible.
- Conclusion.
When it comes to scientific claims, the Bible
has the dumbest claims, with all due respect
to Jews and Christians. The Bible claims that
Earth has four ends and four corners.
Nobody can ever think a ball or a cycle to
have corners and ends! Only flat items can
have corners and ends, and this is exactly
what the bible is trying to express regarding
the shape of the earth. The earth is not flat,
as once thought and it has no corners or
ends at all. If Magnetic Poles can be taken
as ends or corners of earth, then this
definitely opposed to the axis of rotation.
Genesis 11:1-9
The Tower of Babel
1 Now the whole world had one language
and a common speech.
2 As men moved eastward, they found a
plain in Shinar and settled there.
3 They said to each other, "Come, let's make
bricks and bake them thoroughly." They
used brick instead of stone, and tar for
mortar.
4 Then they said, "Come, let us build
ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches
to the heavens, so that we may make a
name for ourselves and not be scattered
over the face of the whole earth."
5 But the LORD came down to see the city
and the tower that the men were building.
6 The LORD said, "If as one people speaking
the same language they have begun to do
this, then nothing they plan to do will be
impossible for them.
7 Come, let us go down and confuse their
language so they will not understand each
other."
8 So the LORD scattered them from there
over all the earth, and they stopped building
the city.
9 That is why it was called Babel —because
there the LORD confused the language of
the whole world. From there the LORD
scattered them over the face of the whole
earth.
Not only these verses are seriously very
insulting to Allah Almighty because they
present Him as a GOD who feared men, but
they also reveal a very serious scientific
blunder through suggesting that the earth
is both flat and sitting still in the universe -
something that is quite contrary to what the
Holy Quran teaches .
Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the
nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of
Israel, and gather together the dispersed of
Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE
EARTH. (KJV)
Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels
standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH,
holding the four winds of the earth, that the
wind should not blow on the earth, nor on
the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV)
Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF
THE EARTH, that the wicked might be
shaken out of it? (KJV)
Jeremiah 16:19
19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress,
and my refuge in the day of affliction, the
Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS
OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our
fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things
wherein there is no profit. (KJV)
Daniel 4:11
11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the
height thereof reached unto heaven, and
the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE
EARTH: (KJV)
Matthew 4:8
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an
exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him
all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory
of them; (KJV)
Astronomical bodies are spherical, and you
cannot see the entire exterior surface from
any place. The kingdoms of Egypt, China,
Greece, Crete, sections of Asia Minor, India,
Maya (in Mexico), Carthage (North Africa),
Rome (Italy), Korea, and other settlements
from these kingdoms of the world were
widely distributed.
The flat Earth is established and can never
move?! The Sun hurries back to where it
rises?!
The Psalm 104:5 and Ecclesiastes 1:5 verses
from the Bible in this section were sent to
me by Abdullah Bisyir; may Allah Almighty
always be pleased with him.
"He set the earth on its foundations; it can
never be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm
104:5)"
"The LORD reigns, he is robed in majesty; the
LORD is robed in majesty and is armed with
strength. The world [The deceiving
translators should've said "earth", not
"world"] is firmly established; it cannot be
moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 93:1)"
"Say among the nations, "The LORD reigns."
The world [Again, the deceiving translators
should've said "earth", not "world"] is firmly
established, it cannot be moved; he will
judge the peoples with equity. (From the
NIV Bible, Psalm 96:10)"
"The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries
back to where it rises. (From the NIV Bible,
Ecclesiastes 1:5)"
Well, I don't think there is any need for
much explanation to the nonsense above!
It is crystal clear that the Bible is full of man-
made corruptions and alterations. Since
when the Earth is flat and can never move?!
We all know that the Earth and the other
planets rotate and move in space around
the Sun. Since when the Sun hurries back to
where it rises, like if there is some hole it
rises from and another hole it sets through
on Earth?!
Christianity Etc › Re: Strong Spiritual Brotherhood. by Joel3(op): 11:44pm On Feb 10, 2013
I do not seek to create a religion, just a spiritual being. We will make use of the Holy bible but concerntrate more on the old TM.
How to apply formula to be succesful, its just to elimenate the suffering of the people. Helping hand and knowlegde. You Go through all my post.

The Holy book that we are to establish has nothing to do with religion, just a key elemet and ethics. On words and coding in formula and all will be refer to Holy Bible on reference to bible scripture as backup manuscript.

The book will be like manu of our brotherhold list of what we do and forbids. How to apply the laws of power on daily life. The book will be teaching tool on class room and bible as the supreme gift of God.

So do not confuse the viewer
Christianity Etc › Re: Strong Spiritual Brotherhood. by Joel3(op): 11:20pm On Feb 10, 2013
@potent

Thank you. You are negative force. So i am not surprise, you jugde me by yourself so you win, bye bye
Christianity Etc › Re: Formal Letter To The Moderators by Joel3(m): 10:05pm On Feb 10, 2013
We are in the era of decadence of our society where our youth have no respect for suprime or divine energy force, i will comment as neutral not religious sentiment, one has to have respect for other people religion even if you dont purpose or believe, it a moral build up to show responsible and well brought up.
Christianity Etc › Re: Household Enemies, Wickedness And Witchcraft by Joel3(op):
Household Witchcraft

God has given us power and dominion over everything he created. People have attached
so much importance to witches, but actually,

witches are the lowest in the hierarchy of the kingdom of darkness. It might interest you to know that witches are not only those that have wings. There are wingless as well as blind witches.

Some spirits which people exhibit in one form or the other are signs of witchcraft. For example, Controlling Spirit is a witchcraft spirit. Evil scheming is also a
witchcraft spirit. When there is household witchcraft in the foundation of a man, it haunts every member of that household
except the true born-again Christians.

A man’s enemies are the members of his household, Micah7:5-6 and Math 10: 36.
Note that those you trust today can disappoint you tomorrow. Rise and fall is one of the symptoms of household
witchcraft. Foundational household witchcraft tends to renew or put fresh curses on family members. They curse
people because of their blessings and talents, but be assured that occult has nothing to do in the life of a child of God.
You are already blessed if you are a child of God and cannot be cursed. Note that in Num
23:1-8 & 13, Balak offered everything he could but still could not curse the people of God. As long as you have the sword of the spirit which is the Word of God, you are unmovable. Verse 23 says that there is no enchantment or divination against you as long as God is your Rock.

Finally,suffer not the witches to live, Ex22:18. Note that witches have no mercy for anybody; they are out to frustrate people’s lives, therefore they are to be
destroyed as stated in the bible. Let’s take a look at Acts 23:12, where a certain Jews fasted to kill Paul. What can you say about
this? Did Paul commit any crime? This is witchcraft spirit to the highest order. Today, anybody or power engaging in a satanic
fast to destroy you must catch fire in the name of Jesus.
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Household Wickedness

Household wickedness directs people to the wrong activities so that they can make regrettable mistakes. They are full of evil
imaginations. They are sadists. They do not want to witness any good testimony in the life of any family member. Those who are in
pain create pain for others. Also, those who are controlled by anger inflict such anger on others.

From Micah 7:5-6, the mouth is very important in destroying people’s destiny. An open mouth is a terror to the owner. We
must note that every evil committed by people are seeds which they must surely reap according to Gal 6:7.

Your enemies have no cause to rejoice over you. Math 10:36 also supported the teachings of
prophet Micah as cited above.

In Math 26:19-24, Jesus was talking about Judas who was about to betray him. Judas was a
member of Jesus’s ministerial household: one who dipped his hands in the same dish with Jesus.

Jesus was delivered to Pilate
because of envy emanating from household wickedness Math 27:18. In 1Sam 17:1-7 & 15, David did not give up despite the angry
rebuke of his brothers. He was confident.

David did not do anything wrong as we can see in verse 29. Evil tongue is a mark of household wickedness and David prayed
against that in Psm55:9-23. Evil tongues cause violence and strife. It is important to note that household wickedness cannot do
anything to you unless you permit them. Your decisions matter a lot.
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Household Enemies

The key bible verses for this discussion are Gen 37 and Micah7:5-8. An analysis of Gen
37 shows that one can be hated by his own flesh and blood just for doing nothing.

Israel’s unequal love to his children led to disastrous outcomes. Parents and heads of
institutions of various sorts who find reasons to love someone more than others should pay close attention to this lesson.

Do not forget that others are watching for areas of inequality which invariably will result to the activation of household enmity,
wickedness and witchcraft.

Dissatisfied members of the family will always grumble and cause trouble. In the case of Israel, the
consequences of his action outweighed the reason for it. Am sure he wouldn’t have taken such an action if he had envisaged the
outcome. Also, Joseph, not aware that he was already hated by his brothers went ahead to reveal all his dreams to them which caused more hatred. It is worth mentioning that household enemies are not interested
in the dreams and visions of any family member.

They are betrayers with strong
dislike for the progress of any family member who will eventually be ahead of them in the future. They will rather call you a dreamer instead of believing in your dreams. They are full of envy with malicious
intentions. Watch out for those you tell your dreams and visions. Household enemies are dream attackers and destiny hijackers. Do
not use your mouth to destroy your destiny.

Household enemies are liars and
conspirators whose missions are to stop any member of the family from moving forward. They target those qualities or asset that distinguish you from others and try to dispossess you of them. But in all these, God will deliver his people from the hands of these household enemies just like He did for Joseph.

We will be victorious when we
remain steadfast in the Lord just like Joseph. It might seem we have lost everything but the end is what justifies the means. God is
interested in our end. This story also showed the different stages we must overcome in life. To become a hero, you must fight for your destiny. Even in prison,
Joseph did not give up. God took him away from the wrong group of people (his brothers) to show him His glory. Your coat of many colors will make you to be
separated from the wrong people for you to shine.

Apart from Joseph, David also experienced the same thing in the hands of his brothers who were angry that he asked about Goliath. They were infuriated and ordered
him to return to the field where he has been taking care of the sheep. Unknown to his brothers, God has been preparing him for
war while in the field. The two cases we have examined here are true reflections of Micah7:5-8 which states that a man’s
enemies are the members of his household.

It is also imperative to point out that Joseph and David were not distracted by the actions of their household enemies; rather both
were focused knowing they have a great future in God. In Gen39:2, Joseph was called a successful man despite the fact he was still
a slave in the house of his master. God was with him and no matter his condition, he was considered successful. Jacob was also
carrying a coat of blessings when he stepped into his uncle’s business. There is what is called the feet of blessing and the feet of sorrow. Some people bring blessings to you once they step into your house or business while others bring sorrow.
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Enemies, wickedness, and witchcraft in the family started a long time ago as we can see from the story of Joseph in Gen 37. To be victorious in these battles, faith, wisdom, knowledge and understanding are required.
It is important to note that these three wicked powers exist in the family: while some are active, others are dormant waiting for someone to stir them up. An obvious way to swing one of these wicked powers into action in the family, especially household enemies is by unnecessary show
of wealth. Lack of wisdom and
understanding have led some to
erroneously think that everybody in their families applaud them when they achieve a breakthrough. A cursory look at the actions of Joseph’s brothers will serve as a warning to those who have failed to recognize the
existence of such harmful and opposing forces in their families. The question of how to face these negative forces in the family to
achieve victory is pertinent. We need to identify who we are in Christ Jesus by facing such forces with boldness and faith in God.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Does The Holy Books Really Say About Alcohol?? by Joel3(m): 6:50pm On Feb 10, 2013
Jeus turn water into wine, drink but dont drunk
Christianity Etc › Re: N100,000 For Deliverance Fee: Please Advice Us Urgently by Joel3(m): 5:16pm On Feb 10, 2013
Chai, i done caught you today, na me be the pastor, so na so you and your wife be? Money when i say make you and your wife bring, una nor bring am, and you come nairaland come dey tell people bi?.
Christianity Etc › Re: Strong Spiritual Brotherhood. by Joel3(op): 3:29pm On Feb 10, 2013
They dont know anything, blood of jesus is a ritual thing, how do you drink and cover yourself with blood of jesus.

They take holy commumion in church, all tituals.

Those who are wise hearken into the message deeply.
Christianity Etc › Re: Strong Spiritual Brotherhood. by Joel3(op): 2:54pm On Feb 10, 2013
coputa: Some people posting childish comments here have engage in one ritual or the other without their knowledge,for example on every new year eve you will see chritians taking lit candles home after the cross over service to place in their door mouth to burn,this is a ritual..the candles that we place on bithday cakes are all rituals for llongivity..we should wake up from our slumber.
thank you. Christianity of today practics what they dont know, those who call themself christian are lanquishing in povety. The roman catholic church which substain the christain movement from the 1st century to this 21st century do make use of insence, canlde, spitial perfume, mostar seed, oil, etc till today. So what are they talking.

I wish i have more people like you to enlighthen people here.
Christianity Etc › Re: Strong Spiritual Brotherhood. by Joel3(op): 2:17pm On Feb 10, 2013
coputa: This is an interesting thread and it is quite revealing..i am not too surprised at some of the post on this thread by christians because.we practice blind religious dogmas in nigeria which explains why nigerian christians are among the poorest and most ignorant in the world. Go to countries where we imported christianity from..they still partake in rituals,burning of candles.insence,.usage of oil 'salt and meditation to attract positive energies and clear negative energies from within..these r traditional practices that runs across different races ,religion and cultures. That is why a we always run to our pastors for prayers when we are comfronted with small challenges that we can apply just simple formulars to eliminate.
thank you, i can feel your impart, you are really a wise one, prayer is all about formula, 1+1=2.

When you apply the right method, you will have power.

Even the chinise, have a formula of prayer, thats why they are successful
Christianity Etc › Re: Formal Letter To The Moderators by Joel3(m): 1:51pm On Feb 10, 2013
Rediculos
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do You Pray Before Eating? by Joel3(m): 1:03pm On Feb 10, 2013
I dont pray, except i am skiptical about the funds source, where it come from and maybe i am outside. The only word is i cover this food with thy blood of jesus
Christianity Etc › Re: For Which Of These Reasons Do You Go To Church? Be Sincere... by Joel3(m): 12:57pm On Feb 10, 2013
Church? Wait let me think.... I dont go there
Politics › Re: Nairaland on Focus Nigeria by Joel3(op): 12:22pm On Feb 10, 2013
nonsom: Hi
i have a guest @nomom

introduction veiwers, nomom is a prominate member of nairaland, a retired doctor who operated in one of the bigest private clinic and was also a one time personal adviser to prominate member of the house of senate. Thank you nomom, you are welcome to the show.


Now nomom, they are currently crisis and challange the APGA is facing right now, that the imo state Governor rochas okorocha did not take any of the party members along with the merger, Including governor Obi, as we speak the APGa has made it know that rochas is on it own.

Now, How you sure rochas did not informed the party flag bearer for such a merger discussion? And again how you sure only rochas will be able to do this from south east? Can only rochas make the majority of the south east vote for APC?

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