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damosky12:
That portion of scripture you quoted doesn't prove that God has a persona vendetta with wealthy people. Through scriptures, God had wealthy men.

Abraham, His friend, was wealthy.
Jacob was wealthy.
Joseph was wealthy.
David was wealthy.
Solomon was wealthy.
Job was wealthy.
Many many of God's people in the Old Testament were wealthy.

In the new testament, Joseph of Arimathea was wealthy.
Erastus was wealthy.
Barnabas was wealthy.
Many in the early church were rich!


Abusing a Bible verse to push a silly narrative would not suffice.

You can't build a doctrine on just one single passage, more so one single phrase which is misunderstood...



Mark 10:17-25
[17]And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
[18]And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
[19]Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
[20]And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.
[21]Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
[22]And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.
[23]And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
[24] And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that TRUST IN RICHES to enter into the kingdom of God!
[25]It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.



Apparently, the clarification here is what Mark supplies us. Jesus wasn't talking about the average rich man anywhere, but a rich man that trusts in His riches instead of trusting in God.

And that is a no-brainer. To trust in riches is to not trust in God. The Epistles also echo the same thought to rich Christians.

1 Timothy 6:17-18
[17]Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;
[18]That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;


God is not against wealth. Wealth is a useful tool for His work on earth OBVIOUSLY. What is against God is to allow money to take God's place. That's what Jesus and His Apostles addressed.

shelve the OP's Bible confusion

This fake pastor is here again, pastoring is not job, find real job, you have not replied me from the last conversation.


Christianity does not elevate acquiring material possessions, this is very evident in the gospels, all those names you listed are Jewish patriarchs, it has nothing to do with Christianity

Boogyman557:
Holly Gram


Chai !!!


This girl go sweet to NACK ooo !!!


I swear down. I go enter her RAW..

Once she born PIKIN 4 me, everything don better 4 me be dat.



LITE UP my WEED in peace


WTF MAN!

Cum load her wit better cum, like this...

turmacs:
shebi as the guy has successfully scattered the marriage now he is happy? Look at how he just scattered the years upon years of happiness and love they've shared together, just because of ordinance DNA test, shior 😒.. I wonder the kind of weak men we have nowadays.

If this person is a female, I want to cum inside her

Christistruth00:
Who doesn't know Obidients are the Black Version of Adolf Hitler's Nazis ?

Ordinary Election loss they cannot handle.

God Almighty truly loves Nigeria

mumu who lose election, una go learn the hard way

una done rig election...now reap what you sow. Before you quote me use your brain! leaders are a product of the environment, if
Ebola no see Malooo to bribe, or Malooo no see these Thiefing professors and lecturers to bribe, or the professors no see security forces, corpers and drivers to bribe, no rigging would have happened.

PointZerom:
Check those hailing Tinubu here you'll discovere that all of them are poor.

how do I pin this to the top

Sirkingsnado:
this is terrible

Nigeria is just a business center not a country

Correct long before 1914

GlorifiedTunde:
Two likely reasons:

1) The man is still the main benefactor and she doesn't have a job yet.

2) She's still a little traditional and realizes the gravity of losing one's husband in the long run. She probably has stories of single mothers who eventually regret the act.

she is beautiful but manipulative make the man forgive her

I like this already

Boogyman557:
Holly Gram We the real NIGGAS knows she is chasing CLOUT..


With her dressing, u don need anyone to tell u.


One useless CELEB now go one sponsor her and use the opportunity to NACK her TOTTO


If u see girl way genuinely de help her PAPA, u go know..


LITE UP my WEED in peace


WTF MAN!

You are right, but I go like nack her, she get nice body

vastolord4:
This is a trending scam and some he goats are falling for it.. just confirm the order before the delivery.. una morning

One of my friend fell for it oh, the first day of his wedding he called me saying he could not penetrate his wife because she is a virgin, he forgot that he told me that the first time they slept in hotel together it was the girl that was asking for sex and the mumu say hm no wan do because hm wan marry her, the quickly flipped to virgin after then. 33 yr old virgin...I laff

idahme:
Men should know that women are hypergamous aka gold diggers if you put yourself in a position where a woman's status is higher than yours your relationship is practically over. They look up to another person whose social stats is more than theirs, this is the way majority of women think. Don't be the fool to be scammed this way, always develop yourself to an extent where the woman always sees you as her hypergamous entity that will come and rescue her out of her misery else she will leave you alone.

Don't you ever sponsor a lady to be the dependent, go your journey and establish yourself before thinking of how to bring family over if you can stand the risk ...

I am married and I agree with this 100%. forget love oh, you have to always be in charge! not by imposing it but by earning it!

damosky12:
They chose to serve him with their money abi. Who taught them abeg? Did Jesus teach giving? Did He teach His disciples to give?

Yiu shouldn't confuse yourself, my friend. Shelve your emotions. These folks followed Jesus. They gave to Him. He collected. It takes a collection for giving to happen. Shebi?



You are just using your own sense to rationalize things here. A financier Luke where abeg??



I see you have a grouse with "Nigerian pastors." It makes sense why you're trying to cook out a point to suit you.

You have no scriptural basis. Yet you skip the contexts of the ones I posted here. No Biblical basis for Jesus giving money to the poor. See his theology on that:

John 12:4-8
[4]Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,
[5]Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
[6]This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.
[7]Then said Jesus, Let her alone: against the day of my burying hath she kept this.
[8]For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always.

Jesus taught from place to place with twelve grown men. They ate. They bathed. They changed clothes. But they weren't working. They apparently needed money for their ministry.

That was what that giving of those who gave to Him is for. It is a Biblical order right from the old testament. The Priests who served solely in spiritual things lived by the givings of the congregation of Israel. That was the reasoning behind this:

1 Corinthians 9:13
[13]Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?



You are trying too hard to rewrite the Bible. And it's funny, but sad. It's funny because, you want your bias to be so true. It's sad because you're blinding your mind to the truth because if your aversion for "Nigerian pastors "

The labourer in 1Tim 5:18 are "elders" (church leaders) that "rule well" (lead church well). See verse 17. He says they deserve "double honour" (which is in reference to their wages). I'm sorry. But your bias or aversion doesn't change what's written.

It's similar to what you find in

Galatians 6:6
[6]Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.

You could check other versions for clarity. It teaches giving to your pastor (the one that pastors you or teaches you God's word). Share all good things with them (money and material things inclusive).

That's why Paul asks:

1 Corinthians 9:11
[11]If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?

Isn't this so clear, my friend?

Giving to your pastor isn't to enrich them or cheat yourself. It's to support the work they do. A church does well and the gospel prospers when we support the men God uses to lead the work. That's our part in the gospel.



Amen.

I don't add to the Bible. Ask questions and I'll show you the context. If you may, read through the contexts of all I have shown you, you'd see that the message in them is clear.

Start by erasing your aversion for "pastors." You can't hate "Nigerian pastors" because you don't agree with some (or all). Start by knowing thats some of those "Nigerian pastors" are God sent.

I already see where this is going from miles away, you want us to use the bible as basis for our argument, this is something I try to avoid because of the following:
1. The bible does not give answers to everything as most ignorant pastors said it does, therefore argument base on bible verses alone will alienate common sense, science, simple logic, culture and historic contexts.
2. Churning out bible verses is not the same as understanding them, theology is not a validation for truth, as religion itself is just a tool to control people and not necessarily to spread truth.(As you can see I deliberately avoid quoting bible verses to buttress my points, because I will rather promote common sense than religious indoctrination)

However I will give you that pleasure, worse case we are going to disagree at what the bible actually say and how to validate claims, let me educate you and others:

1. This is the problem I have with religious people, so if they were not taught to give they won't have given, religious people believe they must be told otherwise, they have no moral or ethical judgement, Giving is a universal practice, it is not christ that taught them, arabs, indians, chinese all practice given even before christians started teaching it, even in our African culture its called "Sara".

2. I should be the one to tell you to shelve your emotions, Anybody with a ministry like Jesus will attract gifts from people, I used to listen to an inspirational radio program on ray power every 9:am one day I called them that I would like to support them financial, they never asked for it!

3.Sorry Luke is not the financial, its Joanna, susanna and Mary magdallene. At least it was clear they were not collecting money from the people they were ministering to.

4. Yes I dislike Nigerian pastors a lot they all disgust me, No black man can teach me the Jewish culture more than a Jew. That's why I listen to Rabbis more than I listen to those charlatans who called themselves MOG. Plus they are not even anything like the European missionaries who spread Christianity across Africa. So tell me why should I rate them? I communicate with my God why do I need any mediator?

5. Are you sure you believe in Christ, because I know many Nigerian pastors don't. Mathew:19-21, Luke 12:33-34 are you saying Jesus is commanding you to do what he himself does not practice? or you cherry-pick what to obey?

6. From the bible verses you quoted above, why did you leave out the name of the person who owns the oil, now go back and read the name then come back to check those I listed as the financiers of Jesus ministry.(verse3 specifically). He was not collecting from the poor!

7. I was expecting you to say this, when they want to defraud people they quickly bring in old testament and the levites. And my question has always being the same, "Are you practicing Judaism or Christianity?" or now you are going to say "Judaism and Christianity are the same?" up till now I am still waiting for answers.

8. You quoted cor chapter 9: 13 but maliciously left 17-18 why? I know the answer, it is a typical tactics deploy by Nigerian pastors. read 2 thes 3:6 - 9 remember paul was a tent maker I have many quotes but I am not the type that brag about bible verses.

If pastor want money they should go and work that is what Paul said. You said "context" that is the problem with Nigerian pastors instead of looking at the message holistically they will choose to contextualize it.


HAHAHA your last message say Nigerian pastors are God sent, so na me be devil sent? Maybe God dont know what He is saying here Psalm 82:6

Psoul:
I believe that now you stopped preaching the gospel, you are also giving all your wealth to the poor as it is written in the Bible or you do not also want to do the will of God?

Yes, I am consciously improving in every facet of my life including giving(not just of material substance but of other valuables), God is faithful.

tundebasic:
I wanted to reply him, but this is good enough. That passage showed Jesus ministered to people outside the church (synagogue), and they gave him their substance.

So, he meant Jesus took offering basket to people's homes and was collecting offerings from them?

Also, he said the money with Judas was huge. Wait! Was he with Judas at the time?

I'm not against offering giving, but, in the new testametn, it not meant only for pastors or ministers. It is meant for the church (the church is not a building or an individual).

No mind the thief, I went to one of the best bible schools in this country, so I know all the tricks they teach these charlatans to use in deceiving people, my brother if you go bible school, you will weep for this country, its like a training ground to practice lying and deceiving people, many of these guys are either graduands or are serving one of their slave masters. I ready for them today make them mention me.

Psoul:
This a wholesome explanation.
Only a fo0l and haters of God and His servants will argue it.

Only a thief will twist the bible to say what they want it to say, this was why I abandoned preaching after I graduated from bible school, I cannot be lying using God's name(This is the only way to be rich in ministry, lie and deceive the people, if you want to do what is written you will give all your wealth to the poor, if you doubt show me one apostle who is mega reach in the bible solely from preaching). I thank God for my life today, I can criticize all of them because I know the truth.

Toluwanise247:
Even devil can justify his actions… keep fooling people around, their eyes will fully open one day

No mind the id""t, I don re-educate him, them think say na only dem go bible school. bunch of thieves.

Toluwanise247:
Even devil can justify his actions… keep fooling people around, their eyes will fully open one day

No mind the idiot, I don re-educate him, them think say na only dem go bible school. bunch of thieves.

damosky12:
No. The collections of the Bible church was not only for the needy. The assembly of God right from Deuteronomy has always take collections to cater for the general needs of the church and the needs of the ministers.

Jesus took offerings to fund His ministry.


Luke 8:1-3
[1]And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him,
[2]And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils,
[3]And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.

You recall he had a treasurer in Judas who kept the funds?


John 12:4-6
[4]Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,
[5]Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
[6]This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.

John 13:29
[29]For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor.

The money was much, and it wasn't collection for the needy!

The Epistles teach giving well to pastors. It was a thing in the early church.


Galatians 6:6
[6]Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.

1 Timothy 5:17-18
[17]Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
[18]For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

The welfare collection for the need of the church in Acts 5 and 6 was just an aspect of the need of the church emphasized there. Apparently, it's not the alpha and omega of Christian giving. The needs of the church could be anything: building needs, equipment, missionary journeys, church venue rent or maintenance, etc. These are the needs churches have today...

You just ended up using those verses to further expose yourself:

1. Your first example Jesus did not ask(collect), they chose to minister(serve) him with their substance, they could have serve in any other way they choose.

2. The purse was originally meant for the poor, Judas was even suspected to have ulterior motive, Jesus knew very well you cannot go about speaking grammar without giving to the poor, so the purse was there for the poor. Please recall they have a financier Luke and not the poor people they are ministering to.

3. here you quoted the bible and maliciously decided to give it your own meaning, the exact things Nigerian pastors do always. that verse clearly said for the feast and needy. You refuse to accept it, you said its for pastors because the money is much, I assume you were with Judas then.

4. Most of you pastors say God called you to work, God should pay you as his labourer or are you saying God is not faithful enough? The labourer the writer is refering to here is not just preachers, they include cleaners, masons, transporters etc. including those outside the church. But in Nigerian churches is only the GOs that swallow the money and still have the audacity to brag for being rich, right in front of those who donated the funds.

Finally you repeated the same thing, read a bible verse then choose to maliciously interpret to suit you. God go punish those who add or remove from his word. Say Amen! if this is scriptural.

Lizzysamuel:
They can only wail online.

In reality, reasonable NIGERIANs yearn for Obi

From the East to the West to South to the North.

He won In Imo (East)
He won in Lagos (West)
He won in Nassarawa (North)
He won in Delta (South)
He won in Abuja (Federal Capital Territory)

I heard Yahaya Bello said Obi won 2023 election by wide margin, and he is going to expose this government if they trouble him, that is why they stylishly left him alone

Reno is practicing withcraft

EmmyDJourno:
It should apply both ways

Never!

advanceDNA:
Somebody left her husband and young marriage to marry a rich prince and u said she can't be a Nigerian ....

No be Nigerian woman dey pull the that kinda stunt without remorse....

hahaha it was an error, the comment was for another post

Good but he can never be African

She cant be Nigerian, I used to advocate that people with black-African ancestry should relocate back to Africa, not until I understood that, genetic is less important in our make up, life experiences is what really makes us.

Goodluck

I am married this 100% true

nabiz:
yes as a worker it is better unlike a man with family that will live tx on from morning till night.

Also pray that you don't get addicted with watching high definition content like me

I have a family but we always working even my kids in the shop with their mum, I think this will serve

BodyCount:
Where did you see it? In your dreams, right?
Keep deceiving yourself.

I am not arguing nor here to insult anyone, I am sharing my experience on the subject, I have seen both white and black people in Abuja, Nigeria. Direct account not narrating a third person story, that you have not seen does not mean they dont exist.

BodyCount:
When will this mumu and senselessness stop?
Megan is almost pale or pink like oyinbo and you're calling her black.
I'm sure you're brown but they've brainwashed you to be calling yourself black.

Later now, one daft mumu will quote me and say black are white colour calling is a social construct, social construct of RETÅRDS.

NORMAL HUMANS CAN HAVE BLACK, WHITE AND OTHER COLOURS OF HAIR, BUT IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANY HUMAN TO HAVE A WHITE (SNOW OR SALT COLOUR) OR BLACK (CHARCOAL COLOUR) COLOUR. WE ALL FALL UNDER DIFFERENT SHADES OF BROWN.

Even south Sudan people that are extremely dark are not black, they are only dark brown.

bUT i HAVE SEEn real white, and real black, God is great!

pyyxxaro:
Singapore 🇸🇬 is too beautiful, Awesome Skyscrapers everywhere you go

You people will later realize nature is far beautiful

Righteousness exalts