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PastorAIO:
We are both free to do whatever we want, but the point I've made, and I hope you understand, is that you cannot falsely use the bible to buttress whatever prejudices you may be bearing.

I don't pray to any who have died, but to God

Jesus said pray to Father God,
I posted from the Bible supporting that

You say that's falsely using the Bible to buttress prejudices, duh

PastorAIO:
Did the bible say that you should eat Garri?

You are free to pray to people who have died,
I will continue to pray to only God who I know hears and answers.

PastorAIO:
Why is it vain to pray to a person who has died? Are the dead ineffectual?

Does the Bible say we should pray to any who have died, or to Angels?

Jesus said to pray to Father God:
Luk 11:1 And it came to pass, that as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said to him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.
Luk 11:2 And he said to them, When ye pray, say, Our Father who art in heaven....

VAIN:
1.
excessively proud of or concerned about one's own appearance, qualities, achievements, etc.; conceited:
a vain dandy.
2.
proceeding from or showing pride in or concern about one's appearance, qualities, etc.; resulting from or displaying vanity :
He made some vain remarks about his accomplishments.
3.
ineffectual or unsuccessful; futile:
vain hopes; a vain effort; a vain war.
4.
without real significance, value, or importance; baseless or worthless:
vain pageantry; vain display.
5.
Archaic. senseless or foolish.


in vain,
without effect or avail; to no purpose:





It is senseless and without effect to pray - talk to a person who has died,
let alone pray - say the same prayer over and over again to a person who has died,
as in the Hail Mary, that is vain repetition.

Pray to the person Jesus said to pray to,
and the person that He prayed to,
pray to Father God.

Bollinger:
Do you know how long people have been talking about the second coming of christ? Since the day he died. No one is coming. I swear, religion is the bane of ignorant people.

2Pet 3:1 [AKJV] This second letter, beloved, I now write to you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2 That you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Savior:
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved to fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

God is a Spirit:
Joh_4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

The Spirit of God raised Jesus:
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you,....

The Holy Spirit is God.

Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

no man can pluck the sheep out of Jesus hand
no man can pluck the sheep out of Father's hand

Jesus and Father are one

one God.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Act 20:20 And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publickly, and from house to house,

The very next verse says:

Act 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

ummm how many have heard false jw testify faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ
they rarely mention His name.




Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

The Spirit of the Lord God is not upon false jw, that's for sure,
false jw don't even know that the Holy Spirit is a person, is God.

They love the one verse in a translation that cals the Holy Spirit "it"
and they ignore all the so many verses in all the translation that call Him "He"
ha ha, so easily does satan deceive them.

We do know though, that they cannot talk straight and do the twist all over the place,
we do know that they have the spirit of fear and evasion and lies.

If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: (1 John 1:6)

dolphinheart:
You can prop up each others ego all you want, if you cannot provide the full text of that paragraph, then I can't help you.
You say you read something, you now throw it away, only for you to now say some few words from that same paragraph.
If you want to talk about what is in that magazine, pls provide the full text of the paragraph you have issues with! simple .
If you like say unsubstantiated ,false ideas about my person, it does not deter me from telling you that you lied anytime you do so!
solite3 does not believe that the father is same person as jesus Christ, yet he goes to the same church with someone who does!

lie lie dolphinheart, PHONY

johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

As you have already been told more than once, you are free to post the full article if you want to discuss other things in it,
you are evading the part of the article that has been quoted, you want to discuss other parts of the article to try and confuse and get away from the part quoted and commented on.

you did this when you blasphemed God calling God and the Word "a two headed god"
for pages and pages you kept saying post the full text because you cowardly wanted to get away from the matter of blasphemy that was talked about, and confuse the matter with other things.

Bring up your other things by all means and someone, perhaps I, might want to talk with you about them,
but for now stop being a coward and running away, and answer brocab's quote and claim.
Of course you won't because the truth and courage is not in you.

Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

If you say it the other way around, a hybrid spirit is an alocholic drink,
where you mix diffrent kinds of alocholic drinks together,
for example: beer and wine, or wine and whisky etc.



Dan 2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

"the seed of men" in Dan 2:43 is the offspring - Sons and Daughters of men,
as in the verse below:

Gen_4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

dolphinheart:
the natter under discussion is the paragraph, pls post the full text of the paragraph, then we will examine it!

lie lie dolphinheart

As you have already been told more than once, you are free to post the full article if you want to discuss other things in it,
you are evading the part of the article that has been quoted, you want to discuss other parts of the article to try and confuse and get away from the part quoted and commented on.

you did this when you blasphemed God calling God and the Word "a two headed god"
for pages and pages you kept saying post the full text because you cowardly wanted to get away from the matter of blasphemy that was talked about, and confuse the matter with other things.

Bring up your other things by all means and someone, perhaps I, might want to talk with you about them,
but for now stop being a coward and running away, and answer brocab's quote and claim.
Of course you won't because the truth and courage is not in you.

Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

dolphinheart:
if you had done the right thing, their will be no repetition!
If you really want to discuss the issue about that paragraph, pls post the full text of that paragraph.

lie lie dolphinheart

the matter of concern has been posted many times
if you want to discuss other matters and broarden the discussion then do so

stop being cowardly and running away from the quoted text and the comments about it.

dolphinheart:
stop acting as if you have issues with understanding words, I asked anyone of you two to post THE FULL TEXT OF THE PARAGRAPH, not sentences in the paragraph that is punctuated by wrong understanding!

lie lie dolphinheart

the text of the matter of concern has been posted multiple times
if you want to address other parts of the article then you are free to quote them and address them
instead of running away from the text that has been quoted and the things said of it
stop evading, be a man

and if you feel sentences in the paragraph have been wrongly puncuated then show where,
you are just beating around the bush like you do all the time
if you could be in the truth then you wouldn't have to do that
alas that's not going to happen, is it

brocab:
I am Just reading the Watchtower mag, No 5 2016, it tells the story like this, "Today the Son of God is not present on Earth to comfort us personally But His Father {Jehovah} "the God of all comfort," continues to help those in need {2 Corinthians 1:3}" Shows the JW's had left out the best of this scripture right from under the listeners view point. The JW's have taken Christ out from the picture, that Christ is no-longer needed on Earth and their Jehovah God is our only comforter.
Without them finishing this verse their Claims are Jesus is no longer needed to finish His work.
{2 Corinthians 1:3-5] Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the father of compassion and the God of all comfort, who comfort us in all our troubles, so we can comfort those in any trouble, with the comfort we ourselves receive from God.
[V 5} is the one the JW's had chosen to leave out of this picture, For just as we share in the abundantly in the sufferings of Christ, so also our comfort abounds through Christ. Meaning both the Father and Christ are working hand in hand with each ever since the beginning of time.

lie lie dolphinheart
There again in bold and enlarged, is brocab's quote from day's ago, of the w/tower paragraph word for word,
and to which you have been evading, saying again and again post the text,
that's what is called, "being fully entrenched in lies".

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

dolphinheart:
I'm willing to reply you, pls quote the full text of that paragraph!

lie lie dolphinheart

you are not willing at all as you said, are you, but are like a broken record
repeating the same thing over and over again

but of course when you speak a lie you are speaking naturally

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

dolphinheart:
@ Johnw74 and at brocab, whenever you are ready, you will quote the full text of the paragraph you have issues with!

lie lie dolphinheart

ha ha, the same old stale repeated lie over and over again,
quote the text you say, which has already been quoted a few times
by both brocab and I.

be a man, if possible, stop being evasive, and address the issues that have been raised with you.

dolphinheart:
you are now changing your false accusation from "leaving out jesus" to "omitting a verse" ,

duh, w/tower by omitting the verse which shows that our comfort is also by Christ,
just two verses down from the verse wt used to show that Father is our comfort,
is showing that wt is leaving out Jesus as our comfort today, just as they said in quoted paragraph that's been posted at least three times for you.
duh duh lie lie

dolphinheart:
you are now changing your false accusation from "leaving out jesus" to "omitting a verse" ,

dolphinheart:
so it's no more accusation, it's now asking a question. You gave your views on what you read from a paragraph in a magazine, to provide the content of that paragraph is now impossible for you to do! continue!

lie lie dolphinheart

brocab never changed or withdrew his true accusation
but when you speak a lie you are speaking naturally.

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

When he is speaking a lie, he is speaking of his own,
When he is speaking a lie, he is speaking of his self,
When he is speaking a lie, he is speaking naturally.

dolphinheart:
I'm willing to reply you, pls quote the full text of that paragraph!

brocab already did quote the No 5 2016 watchtower article,
here it is again in bold and large size, in fact I post his full post so you can be willing to reply
to him, like you say, and this time address his issues.

brocab:
I am Just reading the Watchtower mag, No 5 2016, it tells the story like this, "Today the Son of God is not present on Earth to comfort us personally But His Father {Jehovah} "the God of all comfort," continues to help those in need {2 Corinthians 1:3}" Shows the JW's had left out the best of this scripture right from under the listeners view point. The JW's have taken Christ out from the picture, that Christ is no-longer needed on Earth and their Jehovah God is our only comforter.
Without them finishing this verse their Claims are Jesus is no longer needed to finish His work.
{2 Corinthians 1:3-5] Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the father of compassion and the God of all comfort, who comfort us in all our troubles, so we can comfort those in any trouble, with the comfort we ourselves receive from God.
[V 5} is the one the JW's had chosen to leave out of this picture, For just as we share in the abundantly in the sufferings of Christ, so also our comfort abounds through Christ. Meaning both the Father and Christ are working hand in hand with each ever since the beginning of time.

You can go to brocab's post here https://www.nairaland.com/2720878/jehovahs-witnesses-17-facts-people/117#49195236
and perhaps this time, willingly address his issues.

THE WATCHTOWER NO. 5 2016

Today, the Son of God is not present on earth to comfort us personally. But his Father, Jehovah, “the God of all comfort,” continues to help those in need. (2 Corinthians 1:3) Consider four principal means that God uses to comfort people.

You are right bro. False jw elders and witchpower magazine are teaching that it is just Father that is with and comforting Believers today, they are wrong yet again, typical!

quote watchtower:
"Today, the Son of God is not present on earth to comfort us personally. [size=14pt]But[/size] his Father, Jehovah, “the God of all comfort,” continues to help those in need"
end quote
meaning that Jesus doesn't continue to help those in need

false jw leave out Jesus all over the place, they deny so much about the Lord,
denying the son and so having not the Father also.
Mat_10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

witchpower quote 2Co 1:3 Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;
leaving out verse 5 that shows that Jesus is also our consolation, our comfort:
2Co 1:5 For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ.

Not only is Father with believers today, but Jesus as well:

Jesus said, "I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world"
Jesus said, "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you"
Jesus said, "we will come unto him, and make our abode with him"
Father and son make their home with Believers.


Mat_28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.



Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

false jw don't believe that the Holy Spirit is God, even though scriptures plainly show that He is,

1Jn 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

greater is He (God) that is in you, than he (satan) that is in the world.




1Jn 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.






Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Joh 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
Joh 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Joh 14:22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and [size=14pt]we[/size] will come unto him, and make [size=14pt]our[/size] abode with him.

verses 16 & 17, another comforter is the Spirit of Truth

verse 17, Jesus tells His Apostles that the Spirit of Truth "dwelleth with you, and shall be in you",
it is Jesus who dwelled with the Apostles, and shall be in them

verse 18, I (Jesus) will not leave you comfortless: I (the comforter) will come to you

verse 23, Father and Son make their abode in Christians
Father and Son is God, John 1:1
God is a Spirit, John 4:24
Father and Son (God) is the Holy Spirit

Joh_4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Rom. 8:9, "However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him."

Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Jesus is in the form of God, He is exactly like Him. And Jesus thinking it not robbery to be equal with God,
is just another way of saying that He is equal to God.
Jesus is exactly like God, and is equal to God, Jesus is God, God and the Word is God John 1:1.

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

The word that firstborn comes from is "prōtotokos" it can be literal "firstborn" or it can be figurative "
I believe it's figurativer, because to continue on with what Paul was saying shows why He is the firstborn of every creature:

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

He is firstborn of every creature and thing, not because He was born, but because: by him were all things created,
that is why He is firstborn - foremost, before, every creature and thing, because He created them.




also, just another point, all things cannot be created by Him if He was created, that's why false jw
add "other" to the verse and falsely say: "all other things" in both places of that verse, just like they add "a" to God in John 1:1
Such an evil thing to change what God say's.

Pro 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

1Co_8:4 Now about eating food that was offered to false gods: We know that the false gods in this world don't really exist and that no god exists except the one God.

Many are said to be god's but of course there is one God, there is no other god or god's, they don't exist,
so the Word in John 1:1 cannot be called anything other that "God"
Just as Father called Him:

Heb_1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

However, antichrists will still go against even Father God, and call the Word "a god"

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


false jw believe there is an almighty god, and a mighty god.
There is but one God, so one of the above cannot be true, except the names be referring to the same one God,
which of course they are.

a couple of supporters of false jw have come to this thread saying things like:

the trinity is one person with three heads
the trinity is three persons with one big head

the trinity is a three headed monster but one god

that is the mentality of people that support false jw
liars just like them

lie lie dolphinheart

of course the same repeating of previous lies, false accusing etc.
saying the same old many words of rejecting plain and clear scriptures

Jesus plainly said he is the Alpha and Omega
John clearly called Him "the Lord God of the holy prophets" etc. etc.

but you cannot help but lie, that is natural to you

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


I'm repeating the truth here, Christians don't mind that, but Love it,
however you won't see it,

in red is Jesus speaking through His Angel - the Angel of the Lord
and He Jesus said: "I am Alpha and Omega"

and He said: "I Jesus have sent mine angel"

and John said: "the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel"

John called Him - Jesus "the Lord God of the holy prophets"

of course you don't believe that and twist everything around - lie
but that's what false jw do

johnw74:
Rev_1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

dolphinheart:
rev 1: 8 is referring to Jehovah, the almighty God, the one some translators changed his name to "Lord God", [size=14pt]it is not referring to jesus[/size] .

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Rev 22:16 [size=14pt]I Jesus[/size] have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.



Rev 22:6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and [size=14pt]the Lord God[/size] of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

Rev 22:16 [size=14pt]I Jesus[/size] have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

lie lie dolphinheart


the same old repeating of your same old lies, and many words over and over again,
and all when you have been shown the truth of the scriptures, which of course you reject

Jesus said He would raise Himself
and you lie lie say He didn't
and of course you don't understand, how could you
He is not in you, you don't even know that the Holy Spirit is God

Your very many words doesn't negate the truth of what Jesus said:
Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Joh 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

Jesus said He will raise Himself, and he did
and your multitude of words saying Jesus was wrong shows the fool


Ecc 5:3 For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.

Ecc 5:7 For in the multitude of dreams and many words there are also divers vanities: but fear thou God.

Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment

dolphinheart:
tell us which of them resurrected jesus from the dead?, both of them or one of them.

duh, you couldn't understand if you read it a hundred times

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

lie lie dolphinheart you love to lie over and over again with many words.
but here is the short truth of it once more:




Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Joh 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

Jesus said He will raise His body, and of course you don't believe Him, but choose to believe another verse, and change the meaning of what Jesus said because you think the verses are contradictory,
the verses are not contradictory, you don't understand them of course

Jesus said He will raise Himself is true, but not to you

Paul said the Father raised Jesus
Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;

of course it was God who raised Jesus Temple - body
Father and the Word is God
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Father and the Word - God, raised Jesus body as told in both John: "Jesus will raise", and Paul: "Father raised"
But you have no understanding and have been blinded, and think that some Bible verses are not true, and that Bible verses contradict one another, and so you change their meaning,
Jesus said He will raise His body, you say He didn't,
you will have your reward.

antichrists deny the things Jesus done like raise His own body.

Mat_10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.


1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

No one can say Jesus is God but by the Holy Ghost:
1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord (kurios), but by the Holy Ghost.

A liar and an antichrist is one who denies the Father and the Son, in another word one who denies "God"
God and the Word is God
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

you lie lie dolphinheart are an antichrist denying much of what is accredited to Jesus
denying the Father and the Son - God.

lie lie dolphinheart

you pick and choose what to believe in the bible
you give diffrent meaning to verses so as they are not contradicting, when they are not contradicting in the first place,
your problem is your non understanding of those verses
you do not believe the Bible and change what it says
you disbelieve what Jesus Himself said
and you try to give scriptures a false meaning

everything about false jw is false:

false religion
false jesus
false father
false holy ghost
false doctrines
false prophecies
false etc. etc. etc.

dolphinheart:
cutting my points off will not help you, I've shown you the true words of rev 1:8, that fact you can only try to erase but never ever can you counter it!

lie lie dolphinheart

you love to lie and disbelieve much scripture and twist and falsely accuse etc. etc.

in red is Jesus speaking through His Angel - the Angel of the Lord
and He Jesus said: "I am Alpha and Omega"

and He said: "I Jesus have sent mine angel"

and John said: "the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel"

John called Him - Jesus "the Lord God of the holy prophets"

of course you don't believe that and twist everything around - lie
but that's what false jw do

johnw74:
Rev_1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

dolphinheart:
rev 1: 8 is referring to Jehovah, the almighty God, the one some translators changed his name to "Lord God", [size=14pt]it is not referring to jesus[/size] .

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Rev 22:16 [size=14pt]I Jesus[/size] have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.



Rev 22:6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and [size=14pt]the Lord God[/size] of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

Rev 22:16 [size=14pt]I Jesus[/size] have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

dolphinheart:
Had to cut a lot of my words off cus I don't know which one the anti spam bot was against!, hope my explanation and who I'm referring to is understood. Had to split the post too.

I do believe Christ, and I do understand what he said, what jesus said does not contradict what other verses recorded about who resurrected jesus (which I've shown to you but you refuse to examine)
Joh 2:19Jesus replied to them: “Tear down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
Joh 2:21But he was talking about the temple of his body.
If you view on these verses is that jesus himself resurrected himself, Such a view would conflict with galatians 1:1 , which ascribes the resurrection of Jesus to the Father, not to the Son.
King James Version
Ga 1:1Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, color=blue]and God the Father, who raised him from the dead[/color]
(unless you want to claim the scriptures contradict itself or that jesus is same person as the father, then explain this verse)

At luke 8:48 , jesus used a similar mode of expression, Jesus is quoted as saying to a woman: “Your faith has made you well.” Did she heal herself? No; it was power from God through Christ that healed her because she had faith.
[b]Lu 8:48But he said to her: “Daughter, your faith has made you well. Go in peace.”
Lu 8:46But Jesus said: “Someone touched me, for I know that power went out of me.”
New World Translation
Ac 10:38about Jesus who was from Nazʹa·reth, how God anointed him with holy spirit and power, and he went through the land doing good and healing all those oppressed by the Devil, because God was with him.

so Likewise, by his perfect obedience as a human, Jesus provided the moral basis for the Father to raise him from the dead, thus acknowledging Jesus as God’s Son. Because of Jesus’ faithful course of life, it could properly be said that Jesus himself was responsible for his resurrection.
(There was an explanation of the verse by scholars here , had to remove it , might be the cause of the anti spam issue)
part 2 to be posted soon

lie lie dolphinheart

you do love to keep repeating your lies even in the face of the Truth - Jesus own words


Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Joh 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

Jesus said He will raise His body, and of course you don't believe Him, but choose to believe another verse, and change the meaning of what Jesus said because you think the verses are contradictory,
the verses are not contradictory, you don't understand them of course

Jesus said He will raise Himself is true, but not to you

Paul said the Father raised Jesus
Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead

of course it was God who raised Jesus Temple - body
Father and the Word is God
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Father and the Word - God, raised Jesus body as told in both John: "Jesus will raise", and Paul: "Father raised"
But you have no understanding and have been blinded, and think that some Bible verses are not true, and that Bible verses contradict one another, and so you change their meaning,
Jesus said He will raise His body, you say He didn't,
you will have your reward.

antichrists deny the things Jesus done like raise His own body.

Mat_10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.


1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

No one can say Jesus is God but by the Holy Ghost:
1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord (kurios), but by the Holy Ghost.

A liar and an antichrist is one who denies the Father and the Son, in another word one who denies "God"
God and the Word is God
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

you lie lie dolphinheart are an antichrist denying much of what is accredited to Jesus
denying the Father and the Son - God.

solite3:
The doctrine of trinity is clear in the bible only liars and manipulators deny it.


Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:


The idolatrous act of watch tower representing God with picture as a three headed being is an abhormination.
Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

Colossians 2:9 For in him [ christ] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Open your bible and read for yourself!

Yeah sol, her versions of the Trinity, a person with three heads, and three persons with one big head
are from the bottomless pit.

She would agree that calling the Father, God is ok
but she say's calling our Lord and Saviour, God is from the bottomless pit, duh
and she say's calling the Holy Spirit, God is from the bottomless pit, duh again

Even if The Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit were not God,
she say's calling the Good Guy's, God is from the bottomless pit, ha ha

Similarly false jw believe that Jesus is an angel, when Father Himself showed that He is not, that is from the bottomless pit
and saying that Jesus Christ didn't bodily rise from the dead when Jesus Himself said He would, is from the bottomless pit etc. etc.

Jesus said: destroy this temple and I will raise it again in three days
the temple Jesus spoke of was His body, just like our temple that houses the Holy Spirit is our body.

johnw74:
Rev_1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

dolphinheart:
rev 1: 8 is referring to Jehovah, the almighty God, the one some translators changed his name to "Lord God", [size=14pt]it is not referring to jesus[/size] .

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Rev 22:16 [size=14pt]I Jesus[/size] have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.



Rev 22:6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and [size=14pt]the Lord God[/size] of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

Rev 22:16 [size=14pt]I Jesus[/size] have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.