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Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 12:41am On Sep 03, 2016
Jehovah
Psa 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.

Jesus
Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:


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Jehovah
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Jesus
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


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Jehovah
Deu 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

Jesus
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Incidentally, see at Deut 10:17 God is referred to as a mighty God, and we know that God is also referred to as Almighty God, they are not two gods, a mighty god and a almighty god


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Jehovah
Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Jesus
Joh 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.



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Jehovah
Psa 130:7 Let Israel hope in the LORD: for with the LORD there is mercy, and with him is plenteous redemption.
Psa 130:8 And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.

Jesus
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.


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Jehovah
Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Jesus
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.


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Jehovah
Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Jesus
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 11:53pm On Aug 31, 2016
1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74:
Jehovah:
Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

Jesus:
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/3708585_jesusisjehovah2_gifb23a243ebfae66c970f0d9310c647b9a
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 2:43am On Aug 31, 2016
dolphinheart:
you mean jesus resurrected himself ? that's not what the scriptures teaches!
Ac 5:30 The God of our forefathers raised up Jesus, whom you killed, hanging him on a stake.
Ac 2:32 God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses.
Ac 3:15whereas you killed the Chief Agent of life. But God raised him up from the dead, of which fact we are witnesses.
Ac 2:24 But God resurrected him by releasing him from the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held fast by it.
Ac 5:30 The God of our forefathers raised up Jesus, whom you killed, hanging him on a stake.

the one who was resurrected and the one who did the resurrection are not the same person.
lie lie dolphinheart

So you don't believe Jesus, I know that, and you do the twist on the scriptures, always.
Christians understand the Bible, but you lie lie change it and then believe your changes.
Just to address this, just one of your many unbelief's of what the Bible says, and your lies and your twisting of God's word.
God - Jesus Christ, certainly did raise Himself just as He said He would and which you don't believe

Jesus said: [size=14pt]I[/size] lay down My life
Jesus said: [size=14pt]I[/size] might take it again
and Jesus said again: [size=14pt]I[/size] lay it down of myself
and Jesus said again: [size=14pt]I[/size] have power to lay it down,
and jesus said again[size=14pt]I[/size] have power to take it again

lie lie the verses you posted showing that God raised Jesus are yet more verses showing that Jesus is God

But of course you don't believe Him


Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because [size=14pt]I[/size] lay down my life, that [size=14pt]I[/size] might take it again.
Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but [size=14pt]I[/size] lay it down of myself. [size=14pt]I[/size] have power to lay it down, and [size=14pt]I[/size] have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74:
Jesus is God

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

and the Word was with God:
Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and [size=14pt]we[/size] will come unto him, and make [size=14pt]our[/size] abode with him.

The Father and Son makes their abode with men: and Joh_10:30 I and my Father are one.
The Holy Spirit makes His abode with men: the Holy Spirit is God - God and the Word

and the Word was God
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 12:36am On Aug 31, 2016
Jesus is God

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Mat 1:22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/3715920_immanuel_gif1cf4afcd7cb4fdeb29bc4953da4603d6

Mar 2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.
Mar 2:6 But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts,
Mar 2:7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 12:21am On Aug 31, 2016
lie lie dolphinheart

Of course the usual repeated lies from you false jw dolphinheart
adding to, taking away from, and twisting the plain meaning of Bible verses

Christians can leave those verses I posted just as they are to clearly see the truth
but you lie lie dolphinheart have to change their plain meaning to make them fit your false satanic doctrines


Following are more Truths on Jesus Christ being God
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 11:52pm On Aug 30, 2016
goodnews201668:
The fellow has always been displaying immaturity, I wonder the type of person he is.
You would wonder because you cannot possibly know the type of person who believes what is written in the Bible
and doesn't take away from it, or add to it, or twist to have it say something else.

But those that do those things will have their reward.
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74:
plappville:
You have been spreading your own doctrine in the whole place. Yet calling @Dolphineheart lie lie. What makes you think you are correct and he is wrong? I could call you same name you call him how will you now feel if i say @johnw74 lie lie?
I call dolphinheart lie lie because he clearly is a habitual liar


plappville:
undecided please stop caling him lie lie. He is only presenting you scriptures to bavk his claims that God is God and that Jesus is not the fatger almighty. And i believe that is what the bible teaches.
well you got that right, the Son is not the Father

plappville:
The bible never teach us that God has one body with three head or three body with one big Head.
good you got something else right
the jw website has a picture of a god with three heads though, if you want to believe their version of trinity

three bodies with one big head, goodness, no, the Bible doesn't teach that

plappville:
Jesus told us he has a God. And that His God is our God. He has a Father who is also our Father.
yes that's the truth

plappville:
He never said I Jesus. I am the Father. I pray to myself. We should keep the doctrine of the trinity aside and save what the Apostles preserve for us. God is one not two or three.
no He never did, you also got that right

If you are not a false jw, you are very similar

and if you don't know that misrepresentation of something is lying
then perhaps have someone explain it to you
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 3:53am On Aug 30, 2016
dolphinheart:
you don't like my explanation, and it prevents you from giving your own explanation of those scriptures , interesting!
my statement is still correct:

HOPE YOU NOTICED THEY CAN NEVER TOUCH OR EXPLAIN THE SCRIPTURES QUOTED ABOVE.
THEY CAN ONLY RESORT TO CUTTING THOSE SCRIPTURES OFF WHEN RESPONDING
false jw dolphinheart

How you love to lie again and again

some spend time replying to your non knowledge of the truth,
you being a false prophet and lie lie etc,
but to me that's a waste of time, I do like to show you up in some of your lies though

Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

Jer 29:8 For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Let not your prophets and your diviners, that be in the midst of you, deceive you, neither hearken to your dreams which ye cause to be dreamed.
Jer 29:9 For they prophesy falsely unto you in my name: [u]I have not sent them, saith the LORD[/b].

Jesus talking about false jw along with others:

Mat_7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat_24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat_24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mar_13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
2Pe_2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
^^
that's fits jw false prophets to a T, false prophets, false teachers, damnable heresies, denying the Lord, their destruction will be swift

1Jn_4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
^^^
many jw false prophets with a lying false prophecy spirit have gone out into the world


@blue, You are slow to grasp anything, truly I'm not interisted in giving satans disciples any truth,
when I do it's to please me, and for the benefit of Christians
Ha, there is very little correct from you
but you do love to lie
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 1:24am On Aug 30, 2016
dolphinheart:
show me verses that identifies Jesus as
1. The almighty God
2. The most high
3, the supreme being
4. the highest
Jesus is Jehovah:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/3704758_verse22_giff1affdaf132c2b0820981af68b6147d5

www.nairaland.com/attachments/3704760_jesusisjehovah_gifc481fd19266bbfb832bf8799776cc213
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

Psa_31:6 I have hated them that regard lying vanities: but I trust in the LORD.
Psa_31:18 Let the lying lips be put to silence; which speak grievous things proudly and contemptuously against the righteous.
Psa_52:3 Thou lovest evil more than good; and lying rather than to speak righteousness. Selah.
Psa_59:12 For the sin of their mouth and the words of their lips let them even be taken in their pride: and for cursing and lying which they speak.
Psa_109:2 For the mouth of the wicked and the mouth of the deceitful are opened against me: they have spoken against me with a lying tongue.
^^^
Just like the mouths of David's wicked and deceitful enemies were lying against him
your mouth false jw dolphinheart is against God, even changing what He has said


Psa_119:163 I hate and abhor lying: but thy law do I love.
Psa_120:2 Deliver my soul, O LORD, from lying lips, and from a deceitful tongue.

Pro_6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Pro_10:18 He that hideth hatred with lying lips, and he that uttereth a slander, is a fool.
Pro_12:19 The lip of truth shall be established for ever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment.
Pro_12:22 Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are his delight.
Pro_13:5 A righteous man hateth lying: but a wicked man is loathsome, and cometh to shame.
Pro_17:7 Excellent speech becometh not a fool: much less do lying lips a prince.
Pro_21:6 The getting of treasures by a lying tongue is a vanity tossed to and fro of them that seek death.
Pro_26:28 A lying tongue hateth those that are afflicted by it; and a flattering mouth worketh ruin.
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 1:05am On Aug 30, 2016
[size=14pt]John 20:28--"Thomas answered and said to Him, 'My Lord and my God!'"[/size]

In the Greek in John 20:28 Thomas said to Jesus, "ho kurios mou, kai ho theos mou," "The Lord of me, and the God of me." If Jesus was not God, but "a" god, then shouldn't Jesus have corrected Thomas? Shouldn't Jesus have said, "No,Thomas, I am not the God. I am a god."? But Jesus did not. To do so would have been ludicrous. Nevertheless, the Jehovah's Witness will say that Thomas was so stunned by Jesus' appearance that he swore. This is ridiculous because it means that Thomas, a devout man of God, swore in front of Jesus and used the Lord's name in vain in violation of Exodus 20:7. This is hardly the case since we find no New Testament equivalent of a disciple of Christ using God's name in vain.

In conclusion, John 1:1 is best translated without the "a" inserted into the text. "The Word was God" is the best translation. This way, we do not run into the danger of polytheism with Jesus being "a god." We do not have Thomas the disciple swearing and using God's name in vain; and, we do not have the problem of Jesus being a "mighty god" and yet not the God--even though God Himself is called the Mighty God (Jeremiah 32:18; Isaiah 10:21).

Read here towards the bottom of the page
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart


the same old repeating the same lies over and over again with confusion
and lies and many words

Ecc 5:3 For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.

Ecc 5:7 For in the multitude of dreams and many words there are also divers vanities: but fear thou God.

Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment

you false jw dolphinheart have no understanding of the Bible and add to and change not just one but every verse that goes against your satanic doctrines
I know you will have your reward

false jw dolph, an example of your trying to explain away what scripture clearly says:

Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
dolphinheart
an exclamation made by Thomas. earlier he must have heard what Jesus had told Peter when Peter said Jesus is the son of the living God, and definitely he must have been told what Jesus told Mary about who their father and God is. at no time did Jesus tell his disciples that he is their God!
such a weak and ridiculous attempt to try and have the verse mean other than what it clearly says
Thomas when he felt the hole in Jesus hands and side had the realisation that He truly is Lord and God
he did not curse and blaspheme saying, "my Lord and my God"
he had the realisation that Jesus was truly his Lord and God
and Jesus didn't answer and say no I am not
He said: Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed
Jesus affirmed to Thomas that He is indeed his Lord and God

Joh 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Believed what: of what is spoken about, that Jesus is Lord and God of course
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 5:51am On Aug 29, 2016
dolphinheart:
show me verses that identifies Jesus as
1. The almighty God
2. The most high
3, the supreme being
4. the highest
Ha ha see how you twist - lie all the time,
I say I will show you scriptures showing that Jesus is God,
and you twist and lie saying:

show me verses that identifies Jesus as
1. The almighty God
2. The most high
3, the supreme being
4. the highest

in other words you don't want to see Bible verses showing that Jesus is God
such a deceiver

johnw74:
You haven't posted one verse showing that Jesus Christ is not God.
If you wan't to see many Bible verses that clearly show the Word Jesus Christ is God, just ask.
However #1
Rev_1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

The one like unto the Son of man is the angel of the Lord, the angel of Jesus, representing and speaking for Jesus saying He is the Alpha and omega, John added "the Almighty"

#3 Jesus is also referred to many times as "kurios" in the Greek which means "supreme in authority - God"

G2962

κύριος
kurios
koo'-ree-os
From κῦρος kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, that is, (as noun) controller; by implication Mr. (as a respectful title): - God, Lord, master, Sir.
Total KJV occurrences: 748

here is just one: Luk 24:3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord (kurios) Jesus.







Here are some more Bible verses, some showing that Jesus is God
and some saying directly that Jesus is God:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Jesus raised His body, only God can raise a body:
Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, [Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up].
Joh 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
Joh 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

God forgives sins, we can forgive people their sins against us, but we cannot forgive people their other sins:

Mar 2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, [Son, thy sins be forgiven thee].


Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Jehovah
Psa 89:9 Thou rulest the raging of the sea: when the waves thereof arise, thou stillest them.
Jesus
Mar 4:39 And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm.

Tit 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Tit 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
^^^
our Saviour is God - Jesus Christ

Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and [size=14pt]we[/size] will come unto him, and make [size=14pt]our[/size] abode with him.
^^^
The Holy Spirit is God, God is God and the word
The Father and the Son (Holy Spirit - God) make their abode with Christians.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Holy Ghost is God:
Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Act 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
^^^
lying to the Holy Ghost is lying unto God.


1Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

Joh 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
^^^
the glory of God did lighten it
the Lamb is the lighy thereof

There are many verses showing and saying that Jesus is God, as Christians can see, those are just some.
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 1:19am On Aug 29, 2016
plappville:
kiss kiss kiss kiss kiss kiss kiss kiss kiss kiss kiss kiss kiss kiss
Christians believe in one God, He is sometimes referred to as almighty God, and sometimes as mighty God

however false jw believes in two god's, a almighty god (Father), and a mighty god (Son)
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 1:01am On Aug 29, 2016
Barnes Commentary on: Matthew 28:19 (a good read)

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

In the name ... - This phrase does not mean, here, “by the authority” of the Father, etc. To be baptized in the name of the Father, etc., is the same as to be baptized “unto” the Father; as to believe on the “name” of Christ is the same as to believe “on Christ,” Joh_1:12; Joh_2:23; Joh_3:18; 1Co_1:13. To be baptized “unto” anyone is publicly to receive and adopt him as a religious teacher or lawgiver; to receive his system of religion. Thus, the Jews were baptized “unto Moses,” 1Co_10:2. That is, they received the system that he taught; they acknowledged him as their lawgiver and teacher. So Paul asks 1Co_1:13, “Were ye baptized in the name of Paul?” - that is, Were you devoted to Paul by this rite? Did you bind yourselves to “him,” and give yourselves away to “him,” or to God? So to be baptized in the name of the Father, or unto the Father, means publicly, by a significant rite, to receive his system of religion; to bind the soul to obey his laws; to be devoted to him; to receive, as the guide and comforter of the life, his instructions, and to trust to his promises. To be baptized unto the Son, in like manner, is to receive him as the Messiah - our Prophet, Priest, and King - to submit to his laws, and to receive him as a Saviour. To be baptized unto the Holy Spirit is to receive him publicly as the Sanctifier, Comforter, and Guide of the soul. The meaning, then, may be thus expressed: Baptizing them unto the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by a solemn profession of the only true religion, and by a solemn consecration to the service of the sacred Trinity.
The union of these three names in the form of baptism proves that the Son and Holy Spirit are equal with the Father. Nothing would be more absurd or blasphemous than to unite the name of a creature - a man or an angel - with the name of the ever-living God in this solemn rite. If Jesus was a mere man or an angel, as is held by many who deny his divinity, and if the Holy Spirit was a mere “attribute” of God, then it would have been the height of absurdity to use a form like this, or to direct the apostles to baptize people under them. How absurd would be the direction - nay, how blasphemous - to have said, “Baptize them unto God, and unto Paul, and unto the “wisdom or power” of God!” Can we believe that our Saviour would have given a direction so absurd as this? Yet, unless he himself is divine, and the Holy Spirit is divine, Jesus gave a direction substantially the same as this. The form of baptism, therefore, has been always regarded as an unbreakable argument for the doctrine of the Trinity, or that the Son and Holy Spirit are equal with the Father.
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 12:56am On Aug 29, 2016
dolphinheart:
kindly post the full, unedited text of that post for anyone interested to see!
dolphinheart:
kindly post the full, unedited text of that post for anyone interested to see!
dolphinheart:
pls kindly post the full , unedited texts of that post for anyone interested to see
lie lie dolphinheart

those also are from just the one page, the last page

you keep repeating your lies of words sentences and whole posts

God said a fool is known by his many words
such a person also has divers vanities (emptyness and vainities)

a fool speaks many words, and is empty and vain

Ecc 5:3 For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.

Ecc 5:7 For in the multitude of dreams and many words there are also divers vanities: but fear thou God.

Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 12:32am On Aug 29, 2016
dolphinheart:
HOPE YOU NOTICED THEY CAN NEVER TOUCH OR EXPLAIN THE SCRIPTURES QUOTED ABOVE.


THEY CAN ONLY RESORT TO CUTTING THOSE SCRIPTURES OFF WHEN RESPONDING
lie lie dolphinheart

The scriptures are good, it's your wrong explanation of them which is bad
and not worth responding to
but you love to lie
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74:
dolphinheart:
lies!, pls show where you had copied and pasted the Greek text of Matthew 22:44.
dolphinheart:
lies!, pls show where you had copied and pasted the Greek text of Matthew 22:44.
dolphinheart:
lies!, pls show where you had copied and pasted the Greek text of Matthew 22:44.
dolphinheart:
lies!, pls show where you had copied and pasted the Greek text of Matthew 22:44.
dolphinheart:
lies!, pls show where you had copied and pasted the Greek text of Matthew 22:44.
lie lie dolphinheart

all of them quotes are from some of your posts on just the one page, the last page, ha ha smiley
More on that

See how you love to lie, I posted the greek text and it's source twice for you, that's more than enough

look what you have been reduced to
repeating the same lies over and over again, even posting your same posts over and over again

Ecc 5:3 For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.

Ecc 5:7 For in the multitude of dreams and many words there are also divers vanities: but fear thou God.

Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 11:50pm On Aug 28, 2016
dolphinheart:
kindly post the full, unedited text of that post for anyone interested to see!
lie lie dolphinheart

I understand how you want to discuss the rest of your false doctrine and antichrist post on the word being "a god"
and get away from the sentence where you blasphemed god calling Him "a two headed god"
but I'm only interested in your blaspheming sentence:


dolphinheart:
"it has been established that God and Jesus are two different persons, there if you make Jesus to be that same God, then your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


You lie lie dolphinheart called God and the Word "a two headed god"
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 3:12am On Aug 28, 2016
[size=14pt]John 14:28, "The Father is greater than I."[/size]

"You heard that I said to you, 'I go away, and I will come to you.' If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.'" (John 14:28).
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Father greater than Jesus, Jesus said the Father was greater than He not because Jesus is not God but because Jesus was also a man; and as a man, he was in a lower position. He was ". . . made for a little while lower than the angels . . ." (Heb. 2:9). Also in Phil. 2:5-8, it says that Jesus "emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men . . ."

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Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74:
[size=14pt]If Jesus is God, then who did He pray to?[/size]

by Matt Slick

This is a very common question and the answer is found in understanding the Trinity and the incarnation of Jesus.

The Trinity is the doctrine that there is only one God in all existence. This one God exists as three persons: The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit. They are not three gods, but one God. Each is a distinct person, yet each of them is, in essence, divine in nature.

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Also, John 14:28, "The Father is greater than I." Read Here

Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74:
FAWZ:
Okay u say its false...no p...
Den prove me wrong......hmnm am very sure u can't.... Simple.... #clueless
FAWZ:
Pls post d verse where Jesus called him self God.....
duh, yes there are even verses where Jesus called Himself God,
but that's not what I said

johnw74:
If you wan't to see many Bible verses that clearly show the Word Jesus Christ is God, just ask.
FAWZ:
Now wen u guys are been asked how many Gods are there in xitanity....dey will say 3 but all in 1.....and I keep wondering does did make sense at all embarassed embarassed
That's how false jw misrepresent the Trinity, the same as you do.



FAWZ:
If I say they are clueless...I swear it is not an insult but a fact. . when u ask them dat who is God d fada,God the son and God the holy spirit....they will say they are all one....but they refer Jesus as son of God...and they also say he is God...#clueless....... They say God send his only son to die for their sins which means God cannot for give sins without a sacrifice.... #clueless....if Jesus was God which God is he calling upon when he was been crucified..... #clueless..... They say there so called holy book was written under inspiration from God....why have pastors Neva preached to his members about songs of Solomon.....#clueless....and lastly which of the Christians is having the complete version of the bible? The orthodox, Pentecostal, or Catholics..... #cluelesss.........
Some others here might want to converse with you, but this one isn't interested in your muslim opinion
on Christianity which is the same or close to false jw belief in these matters you spoke of.
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 1:57am On Aug 28, 2016
dolphinheart:
what is God's name in English! at least you have given us the probable pronunciation of the name in Hebrew!
One might assume then that the Watchtower would prefer to use the accurate version of God's name, rather than the superstitious rendition. The word Jehovah is not an accurate form of the divine name. It can be argued that it is the common pronunciation in English and it is not important to use the name in its correct version. It is strange though that the version chosen actually incorporates the very reason that the divine name stopped being used in the first place.

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Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 1:28am On Aug 28, 2016
dolphinheart:
BIBLE TRUTHS THAT CANNOT BE DISPROVED.

. John17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
1. Jesus identified the true God
2. Jesus says he is the only true God
3. Jesus statement signifies he is different person from the only true God (he was sent by the only true God)
4. The only true God is the father!
5. The whole chapter 17 gives more insight as to the relationship between him and his father!
lie lie dolphinheart

#3 Yes the Father and the Son are two diffrent persons, I wouldn't have thought that needed affirming.


And it's true, the Father is the only true God
the Word is also the only true God
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
there are many more verses showing that the Word Jesus Christ is God if you don't believe that one.

dolphinheart:
Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
1. jesus did not only indicate that the father is God, he irrevocably explains that the father is his God!
2. jesus also tells us that the father is our God

[b]Joh 14:28You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.[/color]
1. jesus indicates that the father is greater than him!

1Co 11:3But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God.
1. The disciples tell us that God is the head of Christ.
2. just as a man cannot be the woman he is the head of, likewise God cannot be jesus that he is the head of!

[b]Eph 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.
Col 1:3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,
Eph 1:3Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for he has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in union with Christ,

1. The disciples identified God to be the father of jesus Christ.

[b]57Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will live because of me.

Mr 15:34And at the ninth hour, Jesus called out with a loud voice: “Eʹli, Eʹli, laʹma sa·bach·thaʹni?” which means, when translated: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”

Joh 5:19Therefore, in response Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, the Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son does also in like manner.

Joh 8:42Jesus said to them: “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I have not come of my own initiative, but that One sent me.
Joh 13:16Most truly I say to you, a slave is not greater than his master, nor is one who is sent greater than the one who sent him.

1Jo 4:9, 10By this the love of God was revealed in our case, that God sent his only-begotten Son into the world so that we might gain life through him.10The love is in this respect, not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins.[/b]
1.God did not send himself
2. God sent his son
3. is son is not him that was sent

COMPARE THE WORDS OF THOSE WHO TELL YOU THAT JESUS IS GOD TO WHAT THE SCRIPTURES TELL YOU TO BELIEVE:
[b]Joh 20:30, 31To be sure, Jesus also performed many other signs before the disciples, which are not written down in this scroll.31But these have been written down so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and because of believing, you may have life by means of his name.
The last first, Yes Jesus is the Christ the Son of God, that does not say Jesus Christ is not God, it does say Jesus Christ is not the Father.

The verses showing that the Father is greater than the Son are not saying the Son is not God,
my Father is greater than I, but I am still human as he is.

Father is the Son's God, does not show that the Son is not God.

God is the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ, does not show that the Lord Jesus Christ is not God.

You haven't posted one verse showing that Jesus Christ is not God.
If you wan't to see many Bible verses that clearly show the Word Jesus Christ is God, just ask.
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 12:27am On Aug 28, 2016
dolphinheart:
kindly post the full, unedited text of that post for anyone interested to see!
lie lie dolphinheart

dolphinheart:
"it has been established that God and Jesus are two different persons, there if you make Jesus to be that same God, then your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."

lie lie feel free to post your full post if you think it shows you didn't say your quote above
you don't have to keep asking me to post it, me who has no interest in your full post on the Word being "a god"
and "a two headed god" at that, no you can have that to yourself

Here again is the unedited part I'm interested in:

dolphinheart:
"it has been established that God and Jesus are two different persons, there if you make Jesus to be that same God, then your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."


You lie lie dolphinheart called God and the Word "a two headed god"
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74:
dolphinheart:
Johnw74 could not post the Greek text of matthew 22:44 cus he knows that the in the Greek texts, the Greek word which was transliterated to "kurios" or "kyrios" did not occur twice!.
lie lie dolphinheart

of course you cannot tell the truth, that is well known, and you keep proving it

dolphinheart:
3. pls show where you had copied and pasted the Greek text of Matthew 22:44.
I posted the greek and I gave the source, but when you lie you are speaking naturally
here it is again copied and posted from e-Sword KJV with Strongs Hebrew and Greek
Strongs Greek gives the word Kurios twice for Lord, for Father and Son in Matthew 22:44

ho kurios epo mou kurios kathemai ek mou dexios heos tithemi sou echthros sou hupopodion/pous
Mat 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

G2962

κύριος
kurios
koo'-ree-os
From κῦρος kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, that is, (as noun) controller; by implication Mr. (as a respectful title): - God, Lord, master, Sir.
Total KJV occurrences: 748



false jw dolphinheart you heap way big lie lie all the time, and repeating your same lies, all the time
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74:
false jw dolphinheart

Pro_14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

1Jn_1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

Rev_21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Rev_22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Rev_2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.



Isa 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
Isa 44:25 That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish;

@blue, as seen all the time in false jw dolphinheart

you lie lie not only post many lies, but you repeat the many lies many times
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74: 2:01am On Aug 27, 2016
lie lie dolphinheart

you fill pages with your lie lies

Ecc 5:3 For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.

Ecc 5:7 For in the multitude of dreams and many words there are also divers vanities: but fear thou God.

Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by johnw74:
dolphinheart:
kindly post the full, unedited text of that post for anyone interested to see!
I'm not interisted in your false doctrine post of the Word being "a god" as you know,
but you use any and every means of running away from the issue
and the issue is your blasphemy and the sentence where you blasphemed God:

The Opening Post was about John 1:1 and the Word being God

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

You lie lie dolphinheart said concerning my God and the God of all Christians,
that is, concerning John 1:1 and the Word being God:

"your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."

dolphinheart:
"it has been established that God and Jesus are two different persons, there if you make Jesus to be that same God, then your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."


Of course you could and would lie lie dolphinheart post your full post if it changed what you said phony,
but it doesn't, you just love to lie

dolphinheart you are a heap way big huge lie lie wink

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