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brocab:
Don't change the subject everyone knows Jesus is the Son of God. I have written this because I know you won't read it down the page, but at least someone will, and they will work out who the true lairs are. And as sad as it always sounds the JW's have a bad record in doing such, IS LIE.

King James bible explains it like this>{Revelation 1:1-18} "A Revelation by Jesus Christ" which God gave Him, to show His slaves {servants} the things that must shortly take place, and He sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John.
{V 2} Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that John saw.
{V 3} Bless is he who reads, and those who hear the words of this prophesy, and keep those things which are written in it for the time is near.
{V 4} John to the seven churches which are in Asia, Grace to and peace from Him who is, and who was, and who is to come.
{V 5} And from the seven spirits who are before His throne. And from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the first born from the dead and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To him who loved us and washed us, from our sins in His own blood.
{V 6} And {Jesus} made us Kings and priest to HIS GOD THE FATHER to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever Amen.
{V 7} Behold {Jesus} He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him.
{V 8} And Jesus said" I and the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end" Say's the Lord. Who is and who was, and who is to come the Almighty.
New World Translation bible>{V 7-8} Look He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, and those who pierced Him, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of Him. Yes Amen.
{V 8} I am the Alpha and the Omega say's Jehovah God. The one who is and who was, and is coming the Almighty.
Jehovah witnesses believe the Almighty Jehovah God is the one returning back to earth. "Not Jesus".
king James bible>{V 9} I, John, both, your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patients of Jesus Christ, was on the Island that it is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
{V 10} I was in the Spirit on the Lords day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as a trumpet,
{V 11} saying I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the Last, and what you see write it in a book and send it to the seven churches, which are in Asia.
{V 12} THEN I TURNED TO SEE THE VOICE THAT SPOKE TO ME, AND HAVING TURNED I SAW SEVEN LAMPSTANDS AND IN THE MIDST OF THE SEVEN LAMPSTANDS. ONE LIKE THE SON OF MAN
Did you miss this scripture Mr Barristter 07 does it frightened you, John had seen the Son of Man standing behind Him talking to him. Not Jehovah God standing behind Him, unless you believe Jehovah is Jesus?
{V 17} And when I saw Him, I feel at His feet as dead, but He laid His right hand on me, saying to me do not be afraid, I Am the first and the last,
{V 18} I Am he who lives and behold I Am alive forevermore, Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of death.
This is even written in your bible, John saw Jesus standing behind him, Jesus is the one who lives and is still alive forever and ever. This is not Jehovah God, unless you believe Jesus is Jehovah God?
So does this make any sense to you Mr Barristter 07 the lair Himself?
GOD SAID NO-ONE HAS SEEN HIM AT ANY TIME, BECAUSE GOD IS SPIRIT.
BUT YOU JEHOVAH WITNESSES BELIEVE JEHOVAH GOD IS COMING BACK AND EVERY EYE WILL SEE JEHOVAH GOD COMING WITH CLOUDS, AND THOSE WHO PIERCED HIM, AND ALL THE TRIBES OF THE EARTH WILL MOURN BECAUSE OF HIM.
And not JESUS coming back..
How silly does your doctrine sound. Haven't any of you JW's have any faith in Christ at all?

brocab, barristter who loves to lie doesn't know the Bible
how can he when false jw don't believe much of it, and changes much else of what it says
rev 1:8 is Jesus' angel speaking for Jesus, as we who read the Bible for what is says know,
false jw read the Bible with their false doctrines in mind


Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.



Jesus then said:
Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.



Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:



Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.


and these show that it is Jesus that speaks to John through His angel:
Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Barristter07:
this your lie will always be remembered on Nairaland


A christian dont lie

" look out Jesus, [size=27] said a disciple,
[/size] they are trying to trap you " johnw74
lie lie John

^^^
false jw loves to lie, over and over again


The Jehovah's Witnesses was begun by Charles Taze Russell in 1872. He was born on February 16, 1852, the son of Joseph L. and Anna Eliza Russell. He had great difficulty in dealing with the doctrine of eternal hell fire, and in his studies came to deny not only eternal punishment but also the Trinity, the deity of Christ, and the Holy Spirit. When Russell was 18, he organized a Bible class in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. In 1879, he sought to popularize his aberrant ideas on doctrine. He co-published The Herald of the Morning magazine with its founder, N. H. Barbour, and by 1884, Russell controlled the publication and renamed it The Watchtower Announcing Jehovah's Kingdom and founded Zion's Watch Tower Tract Society (now known as the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society). The first edition of The Watchtower magazine was only 6,000 copies each month. Today the Witnesses' publishing complex in Brooklyn, New York, churns out 100,000 books and 800,000 copies of its two magazines--daily!

Russell claimed that the Bible could be only understood according to his interpretations--a dangerous arrangement since he controlled what was written in the Watchtower magazine. This kind of assertion is typical among leaders of cult religions.

After the death of Russell on Oct. 31, 1916, a Missouri lawyer named Joseph Franklin Rutherford took over the presidency of the Watch Tower Society which was known then as the International Bible Students Association. In 1931, he changed the name of the organization to "The Jehovah's Witnesses."

charles taze russel

After Rutherford's death, Nathan Knorr took over. After Knorr, Frederick William Franz became president.

The Society was led by Mr. Henschel who died in 2003. The group has over 4 million members worldwide. The Watchtower Society statistics indicate that 740 house calls are required to recruit each of the nearly 200,000 new members who join every year.

The Jehovah's Witnesses have several ‘book studies' each week. The members are not required to attend, but there is a level of expectation that gently urges converts to participate. It is during these ‘book studies' that the Jehovah's Witness is constantly exposed to counter Christian teachings. The average Jehovah's Witness with his constant Watchtower indoctrination could easily pummel the average Christian when it comes to defending his beliefs.

The Jehovah's Witnesses vehemently portray the doctrine of the Trinity as pagan in origin and that Christendom, as a whole, has bought the lie of the devil. Along with denying the Trinity is an equally strong denial of the deity of Christ, the deity of the Holy Spirit, the belief in hell, and eternal conscious punishment in hell.

Jehovah's Witnesses' History
by Matt Slick

https://carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses-history

Barristter07:
this your lie will always be remembered on Nairaland


A christian dont lie

" look out Jesus, [size=27] said a disciple,
[/size] they are trying to trap you " johnw74
lie lie John

^^^
and it doesn't think it is queer

more lies from false jw, read from the site
it's a better format:

https://carm.org/religious-movements/jehovahs-witnesses/salvation-according-watchtower-organization-part-2

Barristter07:
johnw74



A christian dont lie

" look out Jesus, [size=27] said a disciple,
[/size] they are trying to trap you " johnw74
lie lie John

More lies from false jw:

Salvation according to the Watchtower Organization, Part 1
According to the Watchtower Organization, Feb. 15, 1983, p. 12, there are four requirements for salvation as taught by the Watchtower magazine. Please check out the list.
(see this quote in context)

Jesus Christ identified a first requirement when he said in prayer to his Father: "This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ," (John 17:3). Knowledge of God and of Jesus Christ includes knowledge of God's purposes regarding the earth and of Christ's role as earth's new King. Will you take in such knowledge by studying the Bible?
Many have found the second requirement more difficult. It is to obey God's laws, yes, to conform one's life to the moral requirements set out in the Bible. This includes refraining from a debauched, immoral way of life. 1 Corinthians 6:9, 10, 1 Peter 4:3, 4.
A third requirement is that we be associated with God's channel, his organization. God has always used an organization. For example, only those in the ark in Noah's day survived the Flood, and only those associated with the Christian congregation in the first century had God's favor, (Acts 4:12). Similarly, Jehovah is using only one organization today to accomplish his will. To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it.
The fourth requirement is connected with loyalty. God requires that prospective subjects of his Kingdom support his government by loyally advocating his Kingdom rule to others. Jesus Christ explained: "This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth," (Matthew 24:14). Will you meet this requirement by telling others about God's Kingdom?
According to the Bible, salvation is obtained by faith in Christ and what He did on the cross. That is why the Bible says we are justified by faith (Rom. 5:1). Justification is the legal declaration by God where He declares the sinner righteous. This is based on the substitutionary atonement of Jesus on the cross and in our place.

2 Cor. 5:21, "For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."
1 Pet. 2:24, "Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed."
Because Jesus took our place and satisfied all the law, we are not obligated to keep the law in any way in order to be justified/saved. His righteousness, His fulfilling of the law is reckoned to us and is given to us by faith. That is why Jesus says that He gives us rest (Matt. 11:28). It is rest from trying to earn our salvation in any way. As Christians, we are saved by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8-9) because we can never please God by any work we do (Isa. 64:6, Gal. 2:21). Only through Jesus and His work on the cross are we saved.

When the Galatian Christians sought to be circumcised, they were essentially trying to complete their salvation by a work of law. To this Paul said, "And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law. 4You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace," (Gal. 5:3-4). Why? because Rom. 11:6 says, "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."

Unfortunately for the Jehovah's Witnesses, the Watchtower Organization is teaching that in order to be saved, you must become 1) knowledgeable about the Father, 2) obey God's laws, 3) be associated with the Jehovah's Witnesses, and 4) be loyal in spreading the kingdom news of God.

Please take note that the Watchtower does not teach about coming to Christ as Jesus stated in Matt. 11:28. It does not focus on the sacrifice of Christ on the cross and what Jesus did. It does not mention what saves us in 1 Cor. 15:1-4, namely, the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus. Instead, it focuses on the Father, itself as an organization, and works. It is the works' issue that is the most problematic here. The Jehovah's Witness' organization teaches works' righteousness in combination with the sacrifice of Christ. This combination of our works and Jesus' sacrifice is a teaching that is not only a heresy but also makes salvation void.

Works do not save us
Rom. 3:28, "Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."
Gal. 2:16, "nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus . . . "
See also, Rom. 4:5, 5:1, Gal. 3:11, Phil. 3:9.
Again as to quote the Watchtower above, "Many have found the second requirement more difficult. It is to obey God's laws, yes, to conform one's life to the moral requirements set out in the Bible." And if this isn't enough, please consider the following quote:

"Accepting the message of salvation and devoting ourselves to God through Christ and being baptized in water is only the beginning of our exercise of faith. It is only the beginning of our obedience to God. It sets us on the way to everlasting life, but it does not mean our final salvation," (This Means Everlasting Life, p. 181).

As you can see, the Watchtower Organization teaches that salvation is dependent upon the work of the Jehovah's Witnesses, and this is a doctrine that leads to damnation.

Are you doing enough works?
If you are a Jehovah's Witnesses, then are you doing enough works to be saved? Are all your hours going door-to-door really going to please God enough for Him to let you into Paradise Earth? Are you actually obeying God's laws? If not, why not?

Do you think that sincerity will make up the difference? If so, you're in for a rude awakening.

"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness,' (Matt. 7:21-23).

Notice how those condemned on the day of judgment appealed to their works that they did in Jesus' Name. In other words, they combined their faith and deeds in their appeal to Jesus for salvation. It was not by faith alone! Is that what you are doing? Are you relying on the complete grace of God in Christ alone, or are you hoping to be able to prove to God you are a worthy Jehovah's Witness by your deeds of obedience? You can never be made worthy by anything you do. All our deeds are filthy rags before the Lord (Isa. 64:6). That is why true Christians are justified (saved) by faith (Rom. 5:1).

True Christianity is the teaching that Jesus is God in flesh (John 1:1, 14, Col. 2:9), and because He is, His sacrifice is infinite in value. It is completely sufficient to save us from our sins and does so. All we need to do is believe and by faith we are justified (Rom. 5:1, Eph. 2:8-9). It is after we are saved that we then go out and do good works and keep His commandments. We do them because we are saved and not to get saved or to keep our salvation.

Are you good enough? Is your heart good enough? Are you sincere enough? Have you put enough hours going door-to-door? . . . do you need a rest? If so, come to Jesus. Ask Him to forgive you of your sins.

Matt. 28:18, "And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth."
John 14:14, "If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it."
Matt. 11:28-30, "Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. 29"Take My yoke upon you, and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart; and you shall find rest for your souls. 30"For My yoke is easy, and My load is light."

https://carm.org/religious-movements/jehovahs-witnesses/salvation-according-watchtower-organization-part-1

Go to this page:

https://carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses

For the truth about the so called Jehovahs Witnesses

Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

I m John

Tit 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Tit 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

Hi sol

otemanuduno:
If you have an idea of Jesus true identity, you would have said Jesus CHRIST is DOG.

You nearly got it right,
DOG backwards is GOD

Jesus CHRIST is GOD

Now get out of here with your rot

Contradictions in Watchtower Literature

Easier to read from the site https://carm.org/contradictions-in-watchtower-literature

The Watchtower says that it is God's only true organization: "Only this organization functions for Jehovah's purpose and to his praise. To it alone God's Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book," (Watchtower, July 1, 1973, p. 402). It claims to speak for God, yet it has produced numerous contradictory statements. Therefore, it is not God's organization.

Who is the Faithful and Discreet Slave, the Watchtower Organization or Charles Taze Russell?
Watchtower Organization is Faithful and Discreet Slave:
"Jesus foretold that among his people there would be a "faithful and discreet slave" class who would be providing the spiritual food to God's family of devoted servants on earth, acting as his channel of communication and overseeing the carrying out of the Kingdom interests world wide. (Matt. 24:45-47) These anointed overseers serve as though being guided in their activities by the right hand of Christ," (Watchtower, Jan. 15, 1969, p. 51).
Russell is Faithful and Discreet Slave:
"Thousands of the readers of Pastor Russell's writings believe that he filled the office of 'that faithful and wise servant,' and that his great work was giving to the household of faith meat in due season. His modesty and humility precluded him from openly claiming this title, but he admitted as much in private conversation," (Watchtower, Dec. 1, 1916, p. 357).
Watchtower Denies Russell ever claimed to be Faithful and Discreet Slave:
"From this it is clearly seen that the editor and publisher of Zion's Watch Tower disavowed any claim to being individually, in his person, that "faithful and wise servant." He never did claim to be such," (God's Kingdom of a Thousand Years has Approached, 1973, p. 346).
Watchtower claims to be only organization to find scriptural guidance yet condemns the Vatican for doing the same thing.
Watchtower is only organization able to interpret the Bible:
"We all need help to understand the Bible, and we cannot find the Scriptural guidance we need outside the 'faithful and discreet slave' organization,'" (Watchtower, Feb. 15, 1981).
Vatican is only organization able to interpret the Bible:
"The Vatican belittles Bible study by claiming it is the only organization authorized and qualified to interpret the Bible," (Watchtower, July 1, 1943, p. 201).
Is Jesus supposed to be worshipped or not?
Yes, Jesus is supposed to be worshipped:
"Question: The fact that our Lord received worship is claimed by some to be an evidence that while on earth he was God the Father disguised in a body of flesh and not really a man. Was he really worshiped, or is the translation faulty? Answer: Yes, we believe our Lord Jesus while on earth was really worshiped, and properly so . . . It was proper for our Lord to receive worship in view of his having been the only begotten of the Father, and his agent in the creation of all things, including man," (Watchtower, July 15, 1898, p. 216).
"For example, to which one of the angels did he ever say: 'You are my Son; today I have become your Father'? And again: 'I shall be a Father to him, and he will be a Son to me'? But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: 'And let all God's angels worship him,'" (New Heavens and a New Earth, 1953, p. 27-28).
No, Jesus is not supposed to be worshipped:
"He taught men, not to worship him, but to worship Jehovah his Father . . . 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God,'" (Make Sure of All Things, p. 283).
"What I learned was so different from what I had heard at the "Christian" school I had attended. Jehovah's Witnesses do not worship Jesus. Rather, they worship Almighty God, the One that Jesus himself worshipped," (Awake, Dec. 22, 1987, p. 22).
The sower in the Matt. 13 parable is Satan or Jesus?
The sower of the mustard seed is Satan
"It is the fake 'kingdom of the heavens,' the counterfeit, namely, Christendom, that is filled with these symbolic birds, 'the sons of the wicked one.' Today it is big enough to hold them all. In the parable, the 'man' that sowed the mustard grain pictures the 'wicked one,' Satan the Devil. Outstandingly in the fourth century C.E. Satan the Devil planted or specially cultivated this symbolic 'mustard grain' of contaminated, adulterated, imitation Christianity," (Man's Salvation Out Of World Distress, 1975, p. 208).
The sower of the mustard seed is Jesus
"In the days of Jesus Christ and his apostles the nation of Israel was just as apostate as in the days of Jeremiah and Hosea. In fact, it was the generation of Israel that brought about the death of Jesus the Messiah and that persecuted his apostles and first-century disciples. Such Israelites especially were the ones to whom Jesus, as well as Isaiah, referred as having their eyes plastered shut, their ears unresponsive and their hearts unreceptive so that there was no spiritual healing for them. (Isa. 6:9, 10, Matt. 13:13-15, Acts 28:24-28) Hence that apostate generation suffered national calamity in 70 C.E. So, now, does anyone ask the question, How could Jesus as the Sower of the parable plant the symbolic mustard grain and yet have it become a tree of a foreign kind, the corrupt counterfeit called Christendom? The experience of Jehovah God with the ancient nation of Israel gives the divine answer to such a questioner!" (Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1975, p. 600)
A Jehovah's Witness has sought to point out that the first quote where the sower of the mustard seed is Satan is referring to the fake kingdom of God, and the second sower is referring to Jesus in the true kingdom of God and that this removes the contradiction. In response, I have expanded the length of each quote above and italicized the contextual information so we can examine them.
Quote A: "the 'man' that sowed the mustard grain pictures the 'wicked one,' Satan the Devil."
Quote B: "Jesus as the Sower of the parable plant the symbolic mustard grain."
Each statement declares specifically who the sower OF THE PARABLE'S MUSTARD SEED IS! The first quote says it is the devil in the fake kingdom, and the second says that it is Jesus. Of course the "true kingdom" is not referenced in the second quote. What IS REFERENCED is that the mustard grain that JESUS PLANTED planted became corrupt. In other words, the true became the fake (see underlined section in "B" above). It would seem that there is only one action of planting the mustard seed in the parable and not two (not one of the fake and another of the true). To say that the parable can be taken to mean two different sowings (one by the devil and another by Jesus) when it references the SAME MUSTARD seed has its obvious problems: Here is the parable
'The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and sowed in his field; 32and this is smaller than all other seeds; but when it is full grown, it is larger than the garden plants, and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and nest in its branches,' (Matt. 13:31-32).
Therefore, we can make the case that they are speaking of the same seed.
On the other hand, can we say that one is speaking only of the fake kingdom and the other only of the true kingdom? Is the Jehovah's witness making a distinction that isn't there especially since B says it is the work of Christ that became corrupt implying it is the same seed?
If someone wants to conclude that the Watchtower organization is alluding to the symbolism of the sowers in the implied kingdom of light AND darkness as two separate events, then it would alleviate the weight of the contradiction.
I will leave it up to you to decide if this is a contradiction or not.
Armageddon will be in 1914 or 1941.
Armageddon will be in 1914.
" . . . the Kingdom of God is already begun, that it is pointed out in prophecy as due to begin the exercise of power in A.D. 1878[3], and that the "battle of the great day of God Almighty (Rev. 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914, with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced," (The Time is at Hand, 1889, emphasis added).
Armageddon will be in 1941
"Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon," (Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288).
Armageddon will be in 1914 or 1915
Armageddon is in 1915
" . . . the Kingdom of God is already begun, that it is pointed out in prophecy as due to begin the exercise of power in A.D. 1878[3], and that the "battle of the great day of God Almighty (Rev. 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1915, with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced," (The Time is at Hand, 1881, emphasis added. The date was changed to 1914 in a later edition).
Armageddon is in 1914.
" . . . the Kingdom of God is already begun, that it is pointed out in prophecy as due to begin the exercise of power in A.D. 1878[3], and that the "battle of the great day of God Almighty (Rev. 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914, with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced," (The Time is at Hand, 1889, emphasis added).1 2 3 4

https://carm.org/contradictions-in-watchtower-literature

Jehovah
Psa 89:9 Thou rulest the raging of the sea: when the waves thereof arise, thou stillest them.

Jesus
Mar 4:39 And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm.

Barristter07:
johnw74

[s]Mat_7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Pro_19:9 A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall perish.[/s]

Lie Lie John

a DISCIPLE said it

It's not suprising that false jw strikes out God's inspired word,
since antichrist jw disbelieve so many verses and change the meaning of much more

We Christians' would never strike out God's inspired word

Barristter07:
johnw74



hahahaha shameless liar, Agbaya



"
look out Jesus, [size=26] said a disciple, [/size] they are trying to trap you
" johnw74

lie lie John,

I only speak English but a coward still posts words to me in another language

more false jw lies for you:

Jehovah's Witness doctrine is not from the Bible alone
Many Jehovah's Witnesses will tell you that they derive their doctrines from the Bible and only from the Bible. In reality, they derive their doctrines from what the Watchtower says about the Bible. Following are various quotes that demonstrate this fact.

If the Witness says that he learns his theology by reading the Bible alone, then he contradicts the Watchtower which says that is not possible:
"Let us face the fact that no matter how much Bible reading we have done, we would never have learned the truth on our own. We would not have discovered the truth regarding Jehovah, his purposes and attributes, the meaning and importance of his name, the Kingdom, Jesus' ransom, the difference between God's organization and Satan's, nor why God has permitted wickedness," (Watchtower, Dec. 1, 1990, p. 19).
"Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible," (Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1967, p. 587).
Additionally, the Watchtower says only its organization understands the Bible.
"Only this organization functions for Jehovah's purpose and to his praise. To it alone God's Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book," (Watchtower, July 1, 1973, p. 402).
"All who want to understand the Bible should appreciate that the "greatly diversified wisdom of God" can become known only through Jehovah's channel of communication, the faithful and discreet slave," (Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1994, p. 8
Therefore, whatever argument the JW offers is not from their understanding of the Bible but from the Watchtower's interpretation of it.
Can the Watchtower be trusted and especially since it has made false prophecies?
" . . . the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty' (Revelation 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced," (The Time Is at Hand, 1908 edition, p. 101).
"The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures than 1914," (Watchtower, Sept. 1, 1922, p. 262).
"Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1923, p. 106).
"Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon," (Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288).
"There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah's faithful ones on earth concerning the years 1917, 1918, and 1925, which disappointment lasted for a time . . . and they also learned to quit fixing dates," (Vindication, p. 338).
"Why are you looking forward to 1975?" (Watchtower, Aug. 15, 1968, p. 494).
The Watchtower says if you read the Bible alone, you'll become a Trinitarian.
"From time to time, there have arisen from among the ranks of Jehovah's people those, who, like the original Satan, have adopted an independent, faultfinding attitude . . . They say that it is sufficient to read the Bible exclusively, either alone or in small groups at home. But, strangely, through such ï'Bible reading,' they have reverted right back to the apostate doctrines that commentaries by Christendom's clergy were teaching 100 years ago . . . ," (Watchtower, Aug. 15, 1981).
What are the apostate doctrines of 100 years ago? Why, the Trinity of course.
Obviously, the Watchtower organization tells its members what to believe. From the last quote, we can clearly see that the Bible teaches Trinitarianism since that is what we would conclude if we simply read the Bible without the Watchtower guiding our thoughts.

https://carm.org/jehovahs-witness-doctrine-not-from-bible-alone

johnw74:
What does "Àgbàyà to n pa iró" say in English?

Since barristter is scared to reply, I add cowards to his list

johnw74:
false jw have shown themselves to be liars

false jw have shown themselves to be deceivers

false jw have shown themselves to be paranoid

false jw have shown themselves to be haters of the word

false jw have shown themselves to be twisters of the scriptures

false jw have shown themselves to be antichrists etc etc etc

false jw have shown themselves to be like the pharacees trying to trap people in their words as they tried to trap Jesus

false jw have shown themselves to be mental as anything

false jw have shown themselves to be queer as can be

and now

false jw have shown themselves to be cowards

Barristter07:
johnw74



Lie Lie John

a DISCIPLE said it

What does "Àgbàyà to n pa iró" say in English?

Barristter07:
johnw74



your lie can blow transformer

Lie Lie john , a disciple said it

No, by your own words you are certainly queer



I will show you lies:


The Witnesses make many claims in their attempt to convert you to their faith. They profess to have the only true Christian church, to be the only true representatives of God, to have the only correct Biblical teaching, and to be the only true announcers of Jehovah's coming kingdom.

If they are the only true church and are the only true voice of God's Word, then what they say should prove to be true and especially in prophecy. When it comes to predicting the future, the Watchtower organization fails miserably. Following are some of the false predictions made over the years by the Watchtower organization. If you present these to a JW, he will probably say something like, "Those are taken out of context," or "They didn't claim to be the prophet of God," or "The light is getting brighter, and we are understanding Bible prophecy better now," etc. Make a copy of these false prophecies, found in the appendix, and give it to them to check. They are right out of the Witnesses' literature.

Remember Deut. 18:22, "If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him." If someone makes a false prophecy and they have claimed to be a prophet of God, then they are false prophets and are not to be listened to. Do the Witnesses claim to be the prophet of God? Yes, they do.

In 1972 the Jehovah's Witness Watchtower claimed to be the prophet of God.

IDENTIFYING THE "PROPHET"--"So does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come? These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet? . . . This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian Witnesses . . . Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a 'prophet' of God. It is another thing to prove it," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1972, p. 197). (See Deut. 18:21).

1897 "Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874," (Studies in the Scriptures, vol. 4, p. 621).
1899 " . . . the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty' (Revelation 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced," (The Time Is at Hand, 1908 edition, p. 101).
1916 "The Bible chronology herein presented shows that the six great 1000 year days beginning with Adam are ended, and that the great 7th Day, the 1000 years of Christ's Reign, began in 1873," (The Time Is at Hand, forward, p. ii).
1918 "Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection," (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, p. 89).
1922 "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures than 1914," (Watchtower, Sept. 1, 1922, p. 262).
1923 "Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1923, p. 106).
1925 "The year 1925 is here. With great expectation Christians have looked forward to this year. Many have confidently expected that all members of the body of Christ will be changed to heavenly glory during this year. This may be accomplished. It may not be. In his own due time God will accomplish his purposes concerning his people. Christians should not be so deeply concerned about what may transpire this year," (Watchtower, Jan. 1, 1925, p. 3).
1925 "It is to be expected that Satan will try to inject into the minds of the consecrated, the thought that 1925 should see an end to the work," (Watchtower, Sept., 1925, p. 262).
1926 "Some anticipated that the work would end in 1925, but the Lord did not state so. The difficulty was that the friends inflated their imaginations beyond reason; and that when their imaginations burst asunder, they were inclined to throw away everything," (Watchtower, p. 232).
1931 "There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah's faithful ones on earth concerning the years 1917, 1918, and 1925, which disappointment lasted for a time . . . and they also learned to quit fixing dates," (Vindication, p. 338).
1941 "Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon," (Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288).
1968 "True, there have been those in times past who predicted an 'end to the world', even announcing a specific date. Yet nothing happened. The 'end' did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing? . . . Missing from such people were God's truths and evidence that he was using and guiding them," (Awake, Oct. 8, 1968).
1968 "Why are you looking forward to 1975?" (Watchtower, Aug. 15, 1968, p. 494).

A JW might say that the organization is still learning. If that is so, then how can they trust what they are taught now by the Watchtower? Will what they are being taught now change also?

[size=14pt]Jehovah's Witnesses and their many false prophecies[/size]

by Matt Slick


https://carm.org/religious-movements/jehovahs-witnesses/jehovahs-witnesses-and-their-many-false-prophecies




Mat_7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Pro_19:9 A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall perish.

Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Mar_12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Barristter07:
johnw74




lie lie john , a Disciple said it


Àgbàyà to n pa iró

on top of all that below
it appears ac jw is queer as well, queer as can be

johnw74:
false jw have shown themselves to be liars

false jw have shown themselves to be deceivers

false jw have shown themselves to be paranoid

false jw have shown themselves to be haters of the word

false jw have shown themselves to be twisters of the scriptures

false jw have shown themselves to be antichrists etc etc etc

false jw have shown themselves to be like the pharacees trying to trap people in their words as they tried to trap Jesus

and now

false jw have shown themselves to be mental as anything

go to bed little girl

.

Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Barristter07:
johnw74



on May 12 at exactly 11:52am , you JOHNW74 make a false statement which is found as an outright lie. saying




mr johnw74 claim that statement was said by a DISCIPLE

upon investigation, he himself knew its a lie .. therefore he had to say go and search for it


, Àgbàyà to n pa Iró

yet this same johnw74 keep calling anyone that doesnt agree with his view false jw , either they are Jw or not !,now the table is turned against him . with this single post , mr johnw74 might get the name " lie lie John "

congratulation on your new name sir !

false jw have shown themselves to be liars

false jw have shown themselves to be deceivers

false jw have shown themselves to be paranoid

false jw have shown themselves to be haters of the word

false jw have shown themselves to be twisters of the scriptures

false jw have shown themselves to be antichrists etc etc etc

false jw have shown themselves to be like the pharacees trying to trap people in their words as they tried to trap Jesus

and now

false jw have shown themselves to be mental as anything

go to bed little girl

johnw74:
the verses I posted show the point I was making, and that is, that false jw are modern day pharacees, that like to go around trying to trap others in their words, like they did with Jesus

false jw saying another is a liar and deceiver, that's almost funny

johnw74:
15 Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words

53 When Jesus went outside, the Pharisees and the teachers of the law began to oppose him fiercely and to besiege him with questions,
54 waiting to catch him in something he might say.


You can see there that false jw are exactly like the pharacees
false jw are the modern day pharacees

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

Why would John bother to say that the Word is "a god", as false jw falsely teach
of course to declare that the Word "is God", makes it worthy of saying

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

ac jw say that many scriptures don't mean what they say, they mean something else

^^^
all false jw dolphinheart can do is falsely accuse
he has nothing else but lies, heck, he denies every scripture in this thread showing that
Jesus Christ is God

is the KJV wrong on every one of false jw's satanic doctrines
A. no, it shows them to be what they are
wolves in sheeps clothing


When false jw knock on your door or come into your house, they are like lambs
but look at them in this forum, how they are anything but lambs

disbelieving all the Bible verses that say differently to their satanic doctrines
and look at all of their false accusing and calling others liars
they are not lambs at all, but wolves

Mat_7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

isn't that describing false jw to a t, many of their false prophecies have been exposed in these forums

Pro_19:9 A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall perish.

Barristter07:
johnw74




NO! I did not ask for similar incident, you initial statement was a disciple said it.


now, johnw74 produce the scriptures where a disciple said to Jesus look out, they are trying to trap you ? your inability to do this will expose you as a Liar deceiving we readers.


kindly produce your proof ?

I don't care what false jw asked for, you will get what I give you
like I said, you can search for it,
the verses I posted show the point I was making, and that is, that false jw are modern day pharacees, that like to go around trying to trap others in their words, like they did with Jesus

false jw saying another is a liar and deceiver, that's almost funny

johnw74:
You can search the translations for it, here are similar incidents:

15 Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words

53 When Jesus went outside, the Pharisees and the teachers of the law began to oppose him fiercely and to besiege him with questions,
54 waiting to catch him in something he might say.


You can see there that false jw are exactly like the pharacees
false jw are the modern day pharacees

I only glanced through false jw's twisting of scripture
and see where he change the subject to: Father and God not being the same person
when it's not about being the same person, it's about being the same God

but some of what antichrist jw say are so pathetic I have to reply
actually they are all pathetic but I'm not wasting time on all

dolphinheart:
rev 22:13 is not referring to Jesus.

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

It is Jesus who comes quickly, who comes again, and who then said "I am Alpha and Omega"

Jesus then said:
Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

So it is affirmed again: it is Jesus angel testifying for Jesus who said: "I am Alpha and Omega"

Jesus angel speaks for Jesus to John throughout the book of revelation

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
the "he" in above verse that sent revelation by His angel is Jesus as rev 22:16 shows

soon after on another occasion Jesus again said through His angel:
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

it is Jesus who is to come again
John called Jesus "the Almighty"

and these show that it is Jesus that speaks to John through His angel:
Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

.

antichrist jw teach that when it comes to the Bible, every verse in it that doesn't agree with their satanic doctrines is untrue
and they deny much of the bible and they twist what it say's

false jw change much of the Bible:
Deu 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

antichrist jw change some of the book of revelation:
Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

1Jn_2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1Jn_4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2Jn_1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

the Word God was made flesh and dwelt among us
in this thread a atheist, a muslim, and mainly false jw have denied that the Word God has come in the flesh
they are antichrists

many Bible verses have been posted in this thread showing that the Word is God
like these few:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Jesus and everlasting Father = God and the Word is God, John 1:1 and all the other verses

Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

the Word, God, came in the flesh
antichrists deny that, with antichrist jw saying:
"a god" came in the flesh, "an angel" came in the flesh, half of the "two headed god" came in the flesh

^^^

false jw say: "the Father and the Son are not the same person"
duh, they are the same God is what it's about

Many words are needed to avoid and to twist the truth

however scriptures have been posted showing that Jesus Christ is indeed God, that Jesus Christ is Jehovah


No one but antichrists go to so much twisting and denying of the truth

not just one or two verses are wrong a/c says, but every verse posted showing that Jesus is God, that Jesus is Jehovah is wrong, false jw say.




The verses posted certainly do show that Jesus is God, is Jehovah
which all Christians who do not hold to false doctrines can see


It is clear from the scriptures posted that Jesus is God, that Jesus is Jehovah
those scriptures have not been believed and have been twisted to say something else in this thread by an atheist and a muslim, but from the beginning by false jw with an agenda to do their fathers will, pushing their satanic doctrines.



Jesus is Jehovah according to God inspired scriptures:

Jehovah
Psa 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.

Jesus
Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:


....


Jehovah
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Jesus
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


....


Jehovah
Deu 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

Jesus
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Incidentally, see at Deut 17:14 God is referred to as a mighty God, and we know that God is also referred to as Almighty God, they are not two gods, a mighty god and an almighty God as false jw say.


....


Jehovah
Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Jesus
Joh 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.


....



Jehovah
Psa 130:7 Let Israel hope in the LORD: for with the LORD there is mercy, and with him is plenteous redemption.
Psa 130:8 And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.

Jesus
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.


....


Jehovah
Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Jesus
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.


....


Jehovah
Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Jesus
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved