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johnw74





kindly provide the scripture where a disciple said to Jesus " look out, they are trying to trap you" ?

You can search the translations for it, here are similar incidents:

15 Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words

53 When Jesus went outside, the Pharisees and the teachers of the law began to oppose him fiercely and to besiege him with questions,
54 waiting to catch him in something he might say.


You can see there that false jw are exactly like the pharacees
false jw are the modern day pharacees

solite3:
what is this one saying who is talking about a god subject to another God

false jw's are stalking you, like the pharisees stalked Jesus
look out Jesus, said a disciple, they are trying to trap you

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dolphinheart:
EVERY ONE CAN NOW AGREE TO THE FOLLOWING
1. there are certain scriptures posted to johnw74 that he cant/refuse to respond to. He can claim that those scriptures had been repeated several times, but not once has he quoted and given his own view on those scriptures.
2. He has not been able to provide proof that the scriptures he quoted are not from currupted verses.
3. He has not been able to disprove facts shown to him by scholars about the currupted verses he quoted
4. He had not been able to show why older manuscripts e.g the dead sea schrolls(which had been kept hidden from his for Father's do not have some of the currupt ed verses.


if not all, nearly all of the verses you posted to me have been explained to you, I did not cut any part of your post off, neither did I remove any scriptures you quoted when responding.
It is you that refuses to respond again when I explain the scriptures you quoted to you, expecially when I ask questions relating to that verse that you can't answer


post five of those verses, and I'll explain to you , then I'll post five and we will see if you can quote and explain them.
This is another Challenge to you to proof you are not a false doctrine propagator.
If the verses you quoted does not correspond to other translations or to the entire scriptures, of if it's currupt ed, I'll point it out to you, and we will see if you can do same to mine.
I'll almonize what the scriptures is really saying by using the scriptures you quoted and the one ill quote.



take up my request above. or should I start first?

@bold, You might as well repeat everything again, you have nothing genuine to say, and saying the same things over and over again is all you ever do

@red, You don't understand at all, me having a discussion with antichrist jw
is like discussing truths with satan, I have no interest at all in that.,
I would just show satan to be wrong, as I do with antichrist jw.

You can continue to reject all of God's inspired scriptures posted on Jesus being God as much as you want
and as you have been doing, I know Jesus is God, I know the Bible verses posted are true, and so I still won't be wasting time responding to all of your rejections of the scriptures.

All you do is troll the OP and blaspheme God like a good little false jw does, calling God "a god "an angel"
and blaspheme God and the Word calling them "a two headed god"


These along with all others verses posted are true if you are going to start again, why not start here seeing that you didn't comment on them:






Here are even more verses showing that Jesus is God, showing that Jesus is Jehovah:

Jehovah
Psa 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.

Jesus
Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:


....


Jehovah
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Jesus
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


....


Jehovah
Deu 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

Jesus
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Incidentally, see at Deut 17:14 God is referred to as a mighty God, and we know that God is also referred to as Almighty God, they are not two gods, a mighty god and an almighty God as false jw say.


....


Jehovah
Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Jesus
Joh 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.


....



Jehovah
Psa 130:7 Let Israel hope in the LORD: for with the LORD there is mercy, and with him is plenteous redemption.
Psa 130:8 And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.

Jesus
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.


....


Jehovah
Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Jesus
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.


....


Jehovah
Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Jesus
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

pamijlove:
Imagine u got married and during d marriage talk, u and ur wife are joined together as one.
Does it mean that from that day onwards that u and ur wife r equal coz d bible said that Jehovah God is the head of Christ, Christ is d head of man...while man is d head of woman

false jw doesn't understand anything
The thread is about Jesus Christ being God
it's not about the father being head of the Son, and which doesn't alter the Op at all
and which you know nothing about


Many verses have been posted showing that Jesus is God
you are false jw so you won't believe any of them
or any verses on Jesus not being an angel
or on any verses showing that Jesus was resurrected bodily

Jesus is God, Jesus is Jehovah, you have seen all the verses posted on that
you don't believe them, your problem

false jw thinks I am posting here for him, I'm posting here for believers, for Christians
however he will continue to troll, and blaspheme God calling Him "a god "an angel", teaching that Jesus Christ is not God, as that is his thing

There have been a few trolling this thread, atheist and muslim earlier on, about one post each, and false jw continually
he is in good company though, with atheist and muslim

but it's clear that Jesus Christ is God, that Jesus is Jehovah,

from all the bible verses posted it's clear that:

Thy Throne O God is for ever and ever

dolphinheart:
a sensible person who believes he/she knows the truth and has proof will show my proofs as false, then provide his or her own proofs.
1. those people are not talking about what the verse meant, they are talking, with facts to show, what the verse said!
2. those people have been able to prove with facts that there where additions to the scriptures which where not there before
3. those people where AbLe to prove that certain people deliberately altered the words of the scriptures by putting a line where is was not originaly In, using an ink different from the one used in writing that manuscript.
4. those people have been able to prove that older manuscripts more reliable manuscripts do not have the altered words in those verses. how can an earlier copy not have a word and the word is now found in later copies of the same earliar copy.

5. I always thank god, who through his infinite wisdom has kept the older manuscripts , e.g the dead sea scroll from the hands of your for father's, if not they would have altered the words in those scrolls too. but as the scrolls where found during a time they could not make those alterations on it, it exposed their earlier works. It shows that the kjv translated the bible from a manuscript that had been currupt ed by YOUR FOR FATHERS!


i quoted several verses to you, if you feel my quotes are not true. pls quote the correct verse of the verses I quoted and explain them, also surpport the version you feel are correct with proofs.



they already know you dnt respond to certain scriptures, you dnt quote and/or explain some of the scriptures I quote to you. even when you claim I made a wrong explanation of that scripture, you dnt give your own counter explanation of that scripture

to show the world that you dnt do as said above, I'll post there scriptures from the kjv now, people will now notice if you will quote those scriptures and explain what the scripture says.

King James Version
Eph 1:3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

King James Version
1Co 11:3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

King James Version
Joh 20:17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

same thing again and again, false jw thinks he can show that the Bible verses of Jesus Christ being God are not true
he has failed miserably and will continue to fail
he posts other verses that he thinks do that, but they don't as i have already shown
false jw does not understand the verses he posts, not one has shown that Jesus Christ is not God

just look at the verses showing that Jesus is God that Jesus is Jehovah, they cannot be disputed
except by more rejection and twisting of the scriptures by non believers

false jw thinks he can post scriptures against scriptures, he needs to understand those scriptures

Ubenedictus:
so who demm go born?

hehehe u cant ansa abi?

^^^
the very best of rc

It is clear from the scriptures posted that Jesus is God
those scriptures have not been believed and have been twisted to say something else by some, mainly by false jw



Yet here are even more verses showing that Jesus is God, showing that Jesus is Jehovah:

Jehovah
Psa 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.

Jesus
Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:


....


Jehovah
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Jesus
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


....


Jehovah
Deu 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

Jesus
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Incidentally, see at Deut 17:14 God is referred to as a mighty God, and we know that God is also referred to as Almighty God, they are not two gods, a mighty god and an almighty God as false jw say.


....


Jehovah
Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Jesus
Joh 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.


....



Jehovah
Psa 130:7 Let Israel hope in the LORD: for with the LORD there is mercy, and with him is plenteous redemption.
Psa 130:8 And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.

Jesus
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.


....


Jehovah
Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Jesus
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.


....


Jehovah
Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Jesus
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

^^^
You give other persons opinions of some scriptures that agree with your false doctrine
and you say that's proof

with your many words you think you are right
the truth doesn't take many words, like:

"Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever"

you go to great lengths to try and show that many bible verses are not true
and you change them to suit false jw satanic doctrine that the Word is not God.

dolphinheart:
johnw74 everyone now knows you avoid posting and responding to certain scriptures

you mean you want everyone to believe that
you post all the verses you want and I will explain them to you as i have done
but when you add your false interpretations to them, I probably will not waste time responding as i have told you many times
but you love to lie

Ubenedictus:
where is the church paul was talking abt. U have told me what it is not. now show me the church or did it die wwith paul?

I came to this thread to show that Mary is not the queen of heaven
I have done that

If you wan't to talk about churches someone might want to talk to you about that.
I will again tell you this much though, the true church is not the rcc which teaches that Mary is the queen of heaven
the title of a false prophetess.

Ubenedictus:
isreal also had birth pangs when giving birth to Jesus abi?

You don't understand the Bible
Israel has been going through birth pangs ever since becoming a nation again in 1948
she will continue to have birth pangs until she is delivered.

dolphinheart:
You should have left him to answer the question when you knew you could not answer it


now did someone give jesus this revelation that he passed on to John through the angel?
who gave jesus the Revelation ?
A. someone
B. no one.

expo:
King James Version
Da 2:28But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;

johnw74, do not turn a blind eye and refuse to explain this part of the verse along with your other explanation:

New International Version
The revelation from Jesus Christ, WHICH GOD GAVE HIM TO SHOW HIS SERVANTS what must soon take place.






it is good that the writer was clear enough on the relationship between jesus and the person making the statement. whichever way you want to look at it, it is clear that the person talking is the God of jesus!, therefore jesus , being a God, still has a God that anointed him above his companions ,( take note: jesus has companions).
If jesus has a God , them jesus is not the almighty God !
now the question is, does jesus have a God?

The scriptures gives us these answers

[b]2 cor 1: 3 New International Version
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort,

eph 1: 3 King James Bible
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

1 pet 1:3King James Bible
Blessed be [color=red]the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,[/b]

There are more evidence from the disciples :

King James Version
1Co 8:5For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
1Co 8:6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.


1Ti 2:5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,

Mal 2:10“Do we not all have one father? Was it not one God who created us? So why do we deal treacherously with one another, profaning the covenant of our forefathers?

Mt 23:9Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One.

AND FROM JESUS HIMSELF!
King James Version
Joh 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

King James Version
Joh 20:17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

the above scriptures prove your explanation on heb 1:9 to be false and the verse simply reads(brackets are my additions):
New International Version
You(jesus) have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God,(the father) your God,(the only true god, the almighty, God and Father of jesus) has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy."
Isa 61:1
Lu 3:21, 22
Lu 4:18

Jesus has a God that is superior to him, the father does not have a god that is superior to him!
1Jo 5:20And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.



if you had read the question carefully, you would have seen that your answer is wrong, I simply asked you , who is talking in reV 3:2,12.

Jesus called the father HIS GOD! no where is it recorded where the father called the Son HIS OR MY GOD!

John is a manager in abc company
peter is also a manager in abc company
peter is the manager of John
john is not the manager of Peter
peter is the most senior manager, superior to John.

With this above
john can say, he is a manager
peter is my manager
but john cannot say , I am peters manager

peter can say
I am a manager
I am a manager to John who is also a manager
I am superior to John in management.

Jesus, like john is a God, but he has a superior God he is subjected to!
that superior God is Jehovah, the only true God, the father, the most high who commanded jesus to sit at his right hand.

This facts above cannot be disproved by you, you can only avoid it!

would have told you about reV 1:7,8 if you had answered the question. You deliberately left rev 1:4-6 out.why?

more of the to be expected dribble false jw talks, a lot of confusion and twisting of scriptures to try and show that it is Father talking to John

Christians not having false doctrines to pander to, say it as it is
it is Jesus through His angel who speaks to John

It is Jesus who said "I am the alpha and Omega", Jesus is the one who was pierced
dolphin says it is the Father speaking

dolphin says if Jesus has a god then He is not the Almighty God
he thinks there are two gods almighty god (the father) and mighty god (the son)

the terms mighty God and Almighty God are referring to the one true God


No I never deliberately left out rev 1:4-6 but the false accuser never stops

John sent greetings to the seven churches in asia from the Father and the Son, it is not the Father speaking
it is John
a couple of verses down it is Jesus speaking, "Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Notice John calls him the Almighty

The one speaking is the one who was pierced, previous verse
earlier John sent greetings from Father and son
Jesus now comes as God not as man, that's why He is speaking as God

you won't, and couldn't understand that

or anything of the Truth for that matter.

Ubenedictus:
wwhere is the church paul wwas talking about? Is it ur neww generation such? Show me any church that can claim an unbroken line from early christianity? It is not enuf to sayy it isnt the catholic church, which church is it?

it is enough to say it isn't the catholic church that is the pillar and ground of truth
the fact that they teach Mary to be the queen of heaven, just for one thing, proves that

dolphinheart:
add this to your list of God's :

I don't have a list of god's anywhere
but see how false jw cannot be honest

dolphinheart:
King James Version
2Co 4:4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

King James Version
Ps 82:1God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
Ps 82:6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

2Co 4:4 the god of this world is not Jesus christ

Ps 82:1,61 Father never said to Jesus ye are "a god"

He (Father) did say though: thy throne O God is for ever and ever

dolphinheart:
Of all the gods in you post and mine , which one is the only true God?

King James Version
Joh 17:1These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
Joh 17:2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
Joh 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

false jw lies like satan who is a liar and the father of it
There are no gods in my posts just God, the Father and the Word and the Holy Spirit
to false jw they are three diffrent god's in Heaven
but:

The Father is called God.

Rom 15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.


Jesus is called God.

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.


The Holy Ghost is called God.

Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Act 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

They are three persons and the one true God

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

John called Jesus the Almighty, look here: https://www.nairaland.com/2720878/jehovahs-witnesses-17-facts-people/46#45416694

dolphinheart:
which God did the scripture call our God?
1Co 8:5For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”
1Co 8:6there is actually to us one God, THE FATHER, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

Eph 4:6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all[/color]

Jesus said the Father is the only true God
we know from verses posted that the Word is the only true God
we know from scripture posted that the Holy Spirit is the only true God

false jw teach that God the Father has been from the beginning with "a god"
Father said to "a god" let us make man < no definitely not


again, we know that the Father is the true God
we know that the Word is the true God:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

and we know that the Holy Spirit is the true God
God is a Spirit, the Spirit of God, is the Holy Spirit of God, Duh

Joh_4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

dolphinheart:
which God did Jesus call our God?
King James Version
Joh 20:17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, AND YOUR GOD.

* the above are truths from the scriptures, words directly from Jesus and the apostles. readers should note that some will claim they are twisted, but they will not be able to quote amy other version. Some wunt even touch or quote it, they will act as if it is not part of the word of God.

those scriptures certinally are truths, and false jw not only disbelieve scriptures and twist them
they also don't understand them, as is seen in those verses that they don't deny or change

dolphinheart:
Jesus is a god, but he has a God superior to him! that god is called the most high, the almighty!
Eph 1:3Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for he has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in union with Christ,

1Ti 2:5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,

heb 1:9You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”

after all the verses posted showing that Jesus is God, false jw continues to blaspheme God and say that Jesus is "a god"
he doesn't and cannot, because he has been blinded, see that the Word became man, the Word is God ,
and in the flesh is the Son of God, as the scriptures posted show

there is only one true God, God and the Word
false jw says the true God from everlasting was with "a god"

But the one God who created the World, was the Word-Jesus Christ

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Gen 1:1 God created the heaven and the earth
Joh 1:3 all things were made by him (the Word Jesus Christ)

dolphinheart:
brocab , quote and explain rev 1:1,4-6, and heb 1:9. also tell us who is talking in rev 3: 2,12. do this and I'll tell you about rev 1:7,8.

you are afraid to quote those scriptures cus you know it exposes your doctrine as false!

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

It is Jesus through His angel that gave revelation to John

and again:

Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man,....



Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

The Father is the Son's God, duh, yeah knows that




Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

in verse 8 the Father called Jesus God
then in the next verse 9, the writer of Hebrews
could have himself called Jesus God, when he said "therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee"

because there would have been no need to add "therefore God" to say "even thy God, hath anointed thee"
it could have simply been said:

Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefor thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows

so this is likely what the writer meant in verse 9:

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God (Jesus Christ), even thy God (the Father), hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.




Rev 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Jesus calls Father God, Father calls Jesus God

duh, so?


brocab is right, false jw's do lie and are false prophets

johnw74: and again, I certainly won't be told what to post or how to post by a false jw antichrist who disbelieves much scripture and who changes much of what the Bible says to suit his satanic doctrines

dolphinheart:
and again, nobody is telling you to post, talk less of how to post. though, everyone now knows you avoid posting and responding to certain scriptures.

you claim that I change much of what the Bible says, but when I show you proof, you refuse to respond.

You haven't showed proof, you have posted translated verses that suit your satanic doctrines and call all other translations corrupted

false jw use what ever Bible translation that suits their satanic doctrines
if a received text translation suits them they will use it and say the modern translations are wrong
if a modern translation suits them they will use it and say the received text translation is wrong

fact is many of the old hebrew and greek texts were corrupted and had sentences taken out by the roman church
translations of the received texts are considered by most to be reliable, such as the KJV 1611

I only post from the KJV, I don't need to search all over the place and post verses from different translations

dolphinheart:
Lets see if you will answer this it was posted on these thread 9:5 am on April 16)

"[b]Is the son the same person as the father ? no

is the son equal to the father? no, "the father is greater than i" the son says

did the son ever claim to be God almighty, God of isreal, the most high God? ? no, he only claimed to be the Son of God!

does the son sit on the same throne and have same authority as the father? no he sits at the right hand of God .

was the son given commands? yes, the almighty God cannot be given commands
does the son have a god (someone he worships ) ? yes, " I ascend to my Father... and to my God " he says.

does the son do things on his own? no , he does what the father tells him to do.

does the son show subjection to the father? absolutely yes

does the son have a beginning ? yes

does the father have? no

does the Scriptures seperate the person of God from the person of Jesus ? yes, all the time

has Jesus described God? yes , he called him the father, " the only true god"

has God described Jesus? yes , he called him " my son, in whom I'm well pleased"

is Jesus subjected to God? yes

can you be with someone and be that same person? no

for those who seek life, listen to this words
Joh 3:16“For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.
Joh 6:40For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who recognizes the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day.”

Joh 20:31But these have been written down so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and because of believing, you may have life by means of his name.

Eph 1:3Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for he has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in union with Christ,

1Ti 2:5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,

1Co 8:5For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”
1Co 8:6there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

Eph 4:6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all
These are the scriptures in which those who believe in Jesus and the father being the same God would not want to discuss with you , they prefer that the scriptures contradict itself so as to be able to hold on to their false beliefs.
The scriptures explains itself , after reading about the relationship between God and Jesus, it is left for us to now decide if the word is the same God it was with, or if he was a god who was with a much superior God, the almighty.

heb 1:9You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”[/b]



yep, it's up to you to show your ability to answer all questions, or your crookedness in avoiding certain questions and scriptures that will/has exposed your false doctrine.

Just more of the same copy catting, lying and rubbish
and all to reject the scriptures showing that Jesus is God

Although I don't have discussions with non believers, but just show them to be wrong with scripture,
I was going to show you how ridiculous your long posts are until you then rejected all of those verses showing Jesus is God, and changed what they say
you don't believe the Bible, I wouldn't waste time in going through and answering your long ridiculous posts
I will continue with scriptures showing you are wrong

cynosure489:
A church doesnt matter when i just showed you what paul said - that the church is the pillar of truth? I have told you before to try the circus.

johnw74:
You are sounding like false jw's
a church or pastor doesn't matter, the truth of the Bible does
and the Bible shows that the only queen of heaven is a false goddess

you are just being spiteful because you have been shown to be wrong

1Ti_3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

The rcc is not that church, is not that pillar and ground of the truth
when they teach things like: Mary is the queen of heaven.

Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;



Jehovah said "unto me every knee shall bow"

It is said of Jesus "at the name of Jesus every knee should bow"

At the judgment seat of Christ "every tongue shall confess to God"

JHVH-YHVH-Jehovah, pronounced diffrently by diffrent people is the Jewish name for God

God and the Word is God

H3068

יְהֹוָה
yehôvâh
yeh-ho-vaw'
From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: - Jehovah, the Lord. Compare H3050, H3069.
Total KJV occurrences: 6521

Revelation 1:7-8

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.


verse 7, who is coming with clouds?
A. the one who was pierced, Jesus Christ, verse 7

Rev 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

Joh 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.



and it is He-Jesus in verse 8 who called Himself the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the ending,

and which is to come verse 8, He comes with clouds verse 7,

John called Him "the Almighty".


this is Jesus again talking
again saying the same thing

Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Jesus Christ, the Alpha and Omega, the Almighty

The Father is called God.

Rom 15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.


Jesus is called God.

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.


The Holy Ghost is called God.

Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Act 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.





Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:



false jw dolphinheart has been trolling this thread from the start, calling Jehovah a liar by saying that Father never called Jesus God, heb 1:8, and rejecting all verses posted showing that Jesus is God.
a couple of verses may be wrongly translated, although I doubt that, but certinally not all are

dolphinheart:
I did not tell you what to post, neither was the question for you in the first place!.
but if you want to answer a question, answer it completely and truthfully, then quote the person who asked the question so that he knows you are trying to answer his or her question.!

unlike you I always answer truthfully
whether I answer all or part of a post is up to me

and again, I certainly won't be told what to post or how to post by a false jw antichrist who disbelieves much scripture and who changes much of what the Bible says to suit his satanic doctrines

cynosure489:
Ashamed to tell us your church -- the so called truthful church? lol


Thats what i like the catholics for, they proclaim thier faith.


Tell us ur truthful pastor/ church

You are sounding like false jw's
a church or pastor doesn't matter, the truth of the Bible does
and the Bible shows that the only queen of heaven is a false goddess

you are just being spiteful because you have been shown to be wrong

cynosure489:
Ok we have heard.

But why are you so pained by catholic teaching? -- The pope doesnt know if you or ur kiosk of a church exist.

By the way, tells us your church -- the truthful church..lol

@bold, herray, you got something right

cynosure489:
Catholics will never force thier teachings on you and your tiny church. Na una dey carry catholic matter for head while they keep growing.

@bold, You was doing a pretty good job trying
but rc's couldn't force their teachings on me, I know better than to call Mary, "queen of heaven"
which is a title belonging to a false prophetess

Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

God is one
they are to be baptizied in the name of God, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost

what are some of the names of God:

Isa_9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

See again how God is one, the names for God are the names for Jesus
counsellor - Holy Ghost a name for Jesus
The mighty God a name for Jesus
The everlasting Father a name for Jesus

the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost - are obviously God (obvious to Christians that is)

dolphinheart:
you saw the questions, you decided to answer, but you answered half and ignored the other half . pls answer the questions asked

I certainly won't be told what to post by a false jw antichrist who disbelieves much scripture
and who changes much of what the Bible says to suit his satanic doctrines

johnw74:
^^^
my understanding is that "the Godhead" is a term used for the fullness of God
the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit
even you must know that, it's been used at these forums often enough

Medics post is a informative post
all you can do is try and derail as if you have never heard the term before



they are known by their fruits, dishonesty, etc etc

^^^
my understanding is that "the Godhead" is a term used for the fullness of God
the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit
even you must know that, it's been used at these forums often enough

Medics post is a informative post
all you can do is try and derail as if you have never heard the term before

dolphinheart:
abeg , wetin be Godhead!
which scripture mentions, describe and explain what Godhead is?

they are known by their fruits, dishonesty, etc etc

cynosure489:
Na wa.. I thought you said it was a false title for a false goddess after saying it was a title for a false goddess. Lol..At first it was her titlel, later it became a false title. Kontinu!

You: "The queen of heaven title is for a false goddess and catholics give same title to mary"

Me: King Nebu was also called king of kings, a title for Jesus.

You: Yes, because it is in the bible.

Me: What stops catholics for using the title because it has been used for a false goddess?

You: Because it is not written in the bible

Me: Funny.. But again the literal intepretation of Rev 12, a queen with a crown of 12 stars is Mary.

is this last statement the issue you have? I believe it is. The bible would have to write every statement verbatim because you want to hide from the truth?

im done abeg

duh, the woman with the crown of 12 stars is israel, and
the fact is you call Mary the queen of heaven, a title that belongs to a false prophetess,
not to Mary, and not to israel duh

I have showed to Christians that Jesus is God for any who did not already know
and of course being God He is not an angel as false jw teach

Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by
the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name
than they.
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And
again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of
God worship him.
Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

Not only does Father show clearly that Jesus is not an angel
He then calls Him God:

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is

These verses could not be plainer or easier to understand
and still false jw try to change what they say or mean
Father clearly made it plain that Jesus is not an angel,
and He then called Him God.

in denying what Father said ,false jw call Jehovah a liar, that also is very clear.

Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

one what?
not person, because two persons are mentioned "I and my Father"
so "I and my Father" are one Spirit-one God

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

^^^
The Father and Son are one, one God





1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

one what?
not person because three persons are mentioned "the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost"
so as above with the Father and the Son, "the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost" are one Spirit-one God

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: