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joyandfaith:
I do not know you. I do not care. I just clap for you. you should be happy for that.

joyandfaith applauds paul grundy

they so weird them supposed jw's, you think he truthful?

joyandfaith:
when some of guys become history like Hitler and Stalin, jw will keep browning . no attacks, intimidation, or propangada can stop jw. in fact, u are helping more people to learn about JW.we love ur hatred. it is nice. it brings blessing to jw.

phony jw love hatred, it is nice they say

do they lie, or are they so weird?

A. both

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The Watchtower's Dishonest Presentation of its History

Watchtower claims its foresight of 1914 as proof of Jehovah's direction. Is this justified, knowing the Watchtower was incorrect in virtually every aspect?

The following quotes show the positive spin the Watchtower puts on Russell's inaccurate teachings, in an attempt to make people believe holy spirit directs the Watchtower's interpretation of Bible prophecy. These quotes range from misleading but technically true, through to blatantly false. Statements abound that the Watchtower pointed forward to 1914 as "the start of "the conclusion of the system of things"", the start of "Jesus Presence", or the start of his "rulership". Other phrases, such as that the Watchtower foretold 1914 to be the end of the Gentile Times, are strictly accurate, but lead the reader to an incorrect conclusion about the understanding of this teaching.

When reading these quotes, it is important to remember that in 1914 the Watchtower was teaching Jesus' presence began in 1874 and his heavenly rulership began in 1878.

"Our belief that the Kingdom began to be set up, or brought into power, in Apr, 1878, be it observed, rests on exactly the same foundation as our belief that the Lord became present in October, 1874, and that the harvest began at that time." Studies in the Scriptures - Thy Kingdom Come p.235

As late as 1930, the Watchtower was still referring to 1874 as the start of Jesus presence.

"… from the beginning of the Lord’s presence in 1874 the Devil used the Papal system as the chief opposing instrument of God’s kingdom …" Watchtower 1930 p.275

Those in the Watchtower's writing department are well aware of the organisations history. For instance, the 1993 Proclaimers book states:

"Based on the premise that events of the first century might find parallels in related events later, they also concluded that if Jesus’ baptism and anointing in the autumn of 29 C.E. paralleled the beginning of an invisible presence in 1874, then his riding into Jerusalem as King in the spring of 33 C.E. would point to the spring of 1878 as the time when he would assume his power as heavenly King." Proclaimers p.632

Yet in that very same year, other Watchtower articles falsely claim:

"The Watchtower[1] has consistently presented evidence to honest hearted students of Bible prophecy that Jesus’ presence in heavenly Kingdom power began in 1914. Events since that year testify to Jesus' invisible presence." Watchtower 1993 Jan 15 p.5

"Jehovah's Witnesses have consistently shown from the Scriptures that the year 1914 marked the beginning of this world's time of the end and that "the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men" has drawn near." Watchtower 1993 Aug 15 p.9

Other examples of deceptive statements regarding the teachings of the Watchtower prior to 1914 include:

"Decades before 1914, Jehovah's worshippers declared to the nations that the end of "the appointed times of the nations" would come in that year and that the world would enter into an unequaled period of trouble." Watchtower 2013 Feb 15 p.18

"As that “time” approached, Jehovah took steps to reveal the answer to a group of humble Bible students. With the help of God’s spirit, they discerned that “the appointed times of the nations” began with the destruction of Jerusalem in 607 B.C.E. and that those “times” were 2,520 years in length. From this, they deduced that 1914 marked the end of “the appointed times of the nations.” They also came to realize that 1914 was the beginning of the end for this system of things." Watchtower 2004 Feb 1 p.19

"From the mid-1870's, Jehovah's people had been anticipating that catastrophic events would start in 1914 and would mark the end of the Gentile Times." Revelation - Its Grand Climax at Hand! (1988) p.105

"How did Jehovah's Witnesses know more than 30 years in advance that 1914 would be an important date for divine rulership? Though the Witnesses at the time did not understand the full implication of events about to take place, the Watch Tower magazine as far back as December of 1879 pointed to 1914 as a marked date in regard to Bible prophecy. And the Mar 1880 issue of the Watch Tower linked God's Kingdom rule with the ending of what Jesus Christ referred to as "the appointed times of the nations," or "the times of the Gentiles." (Luke 21:24; Authorized Version) That Watch Tower said: "'The Times of the Gentiles' extend to 1914, and the heavenly kingdom will not have full sway till then."" Watchtower 1984 Apr 1 p. 6 1914 a Marked Year-Why?

"This remnant of anointed ones have identified themselves on the pages of history since 1914 C.E. Before this year members of this anointed remnant had been earnestly studying God' s Word apart from Christendom. They put the Holy Bible ahead of man-made religious traditions. As early as 1876 they were publishing that the Gentile Times of 2,520 years would terminate in the year 1914. Events that have taken place from that year onward prove they were not wrong." God's Eternal Purpose Now Triumphing For Man's Good (1974) pp.178-179

"Even earlier, however, C. T. Russell wrote an article entitled "Gentile Times: When Do They End?" It was published in the Bible Examiner of October 1876, and therein Russell said: "The seven times will end in A.D. 1914." He had correctly linked the Gentile Times with the "seven times" mentioned in the book of Daniel. (Dan. 4:16, 23, 25, 32) True to such calculations, 1914 did mark the end of those times and the birth of God's kingdom in heaven with Christ Jesus as king. Just think of it! Jehovah granted his people that knowledge nearly four decades before those times expired." Yearbook 1975 p.37

"Of all men used by God to prophesy, Jesus is outstanding. Based on what he said, along with the words of Daniel and John, Jehovah's witnesses pointed to the year 1914, decades in advance, as marking the start of "the conclusion of the system of things." Awake! 1973 Jan 22 p.8

"Under the guidance of God's spirit of freedom the magazine today known as The Watchtower but known back there as Zion's Watch Tower, began to be published in Jul, 1879. In the first year of its publication it pointed to the date 1914 as marked in the Bible." What Has Religion Done For Mankind? (1951) p.308

"As for the time of Christ's second presence, Daniel's prophecy is again the one that gives the chronology for it. (Dan. 4:16) It was figured out as pointing to A.D. 1914, and The Watchtower called notice to the significance of 1914 in the year 1879." Watchtower 1952 Nov 1 p.658

"When in 1914 C.E. the 2,520 years of the Gentile Times ended for the Gentile nations to trample on Jerusalem’s right to a Messianic kingship in the royal line of David, the Most High God Jehovah installed the Messiah Jesus on the heavenly throne in order to reign and go subduing among his enemies. (Psalm 110:1-6; Acts 2:34-36; Hebrews 10:12, 13) During World War I (1914-1918 C.E.) the dedicated, baptized remnant of spiritual Israelites publicly proclaimed that the Gentile Times had ended and that the Most High God had made his Son Jesus Christ reigning King in the heavens." Paradise Restored to Mankind - By Theocracy! p.273

"Why, then, do the nations not realize and accept the approach of this climax of judgment? It is because they have not heeded the world wide advertising of Christ's return and his second Presence. Since long before World War I Jehovah's witnesses pointed to 1914 as the time for this great event to occur." Watchtower 1954 Jun 15 p.370

"This was a new revelation of great importance to God's people who had been anxiously awaiting his second presence toward the end of the nineteenth century." Watchtower 1965 Jul 15 p.428

"For over thirty years before that date and for half a century since, Jehovah's witnesses have pointed to the year 1914 as the time for the end of "the appointed times of the nations" and the time in which Christ would begin his Kingdom rule. (Luke 21:24)" Watchtower 1966 Feb 15 p.103

"As far back as 1876, Jehovah' s Witnesses realized that Bible prophecy marked the year 1914 C.E. as a time when major events would take place that would have far-reaching effects on human affairs. They gave the reason for this fact wide publicity." True Peace And Security (1986) p.70

"Back in 1904, the book The New Creation called attention to this new organization that came into existence in the first century C.E. (Studies In The Scriptures, Series VI, Study V, entitled "The Organization of the New Creation" Owing to its view of what the end of the Gentile Times would mean, that book did not envision the remarkable organizational work that was due to take place after the crippling effects of the first world war of human history. - Luke 21:24 KJ" Watchtower 1989 Sep 1 pp.12-13

"a prophecy providentially caused sincere 19th-century Bible students to be in expectation. By linking the "seven times" of Daniel 4:25 with "the times of the Gentiles", they anticipated that Christ would receive Kingdom power in 1914." Watchtower 1998 Sep 15 p.15

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Who is behind the fear of paranoia
certinally not Jehovah's Holy Spirit of Love

so it's ultimately satan that inspires paranoia

the spirit in supposed jw's is satan's spirit of fear

of course every one knows it

themall:
Busted, clueless fake pastor, now don't want to have discussions with Christians and is now on the "show them" level

I love to have discussions with Christians
not with evil supposed jw's

Amazing how fake jw love to lie on every point
and still believe they are Jehovah's people
that's delusion

now, not only do you have the fear of paranoia
but you have the fear of cowardice also
often calling me a pastor, a nigerian pastor
but you are scared to name that nigerian pastor, and his church

themall:
busted pastor say christian is "uncontrolled anger, paranoia". meanwhile makes no one comment about all the debunked and discredited posts.

duh, dumb paranoid jw doesn't know yet that I don't have discussions with fake jw
just show them where they are wrong
showed you plenty ay

neither of you are christian

Jessicha:
you cant expect me to pay you to think . the level at which hatred is killing you ehn, Olorun nikan lo maa saanu e. the bold is a big LIE!!! LIAR.

themall:
busted
cc: PaulGrunchy, PaulGrundy and johnw74,5,6: please supply more of your aliases

uncontrolled anger, paranoia
are they God's people or satans? easy oooh

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144,000 All Resurrected to Heaven

1908 edition Thy kingdom come page 228

The 144,000, also known as the "body of Christ" or "the saints", were to all be in heaven by 1914, prior to the completion of Armageddon.

"That the deliverance of the saints must take place some time before 1914 is manifest, since the deliverance of fleshly Israel, as we shall see, is appointed to take place at that time... Just how long before 1914 the last living members of the body of Christ will be glorified, was are not directly informed;..." Studies In the Scriptures - Thy Kingdom Come (1908 ed.) p.228

Studies in the Scriptures after 1914

Editions of Studies in the Scriptures written prior to 1914 were very specific about what would happen prior to and during 1914. These journals continued to be used after 1914. To overcome the obviously erroneous predictions in 1915 they were reissued with amendments.

For example the 1908 edition of Studies In the Scriptures - Thy Kingdom Come stated on p.228 that the resurrection would occur before 1914. The 1915 edition changed this to state that the resurrection was to occur soon after 1914.
Studies In the Scriptures - Thy Kingdom Come 1908 Ed. Studies In the Scriptures - Thy Kingdom Come 1915 Ed.
"That the deliverance of the saints must take place some time before 1914 is manifest, since the deliverance of fleshly Israel, as we shall see, is appointed to take place at that time, and the angry nations will then be authoritatively commanded to be still, and will be made to recognize the power of Jehovah's Anointed. Just how long before 1914 the last living members of the body of Christ will be glorified, we are not directly informed; but it certainly will not be until their work in the flesh is done; nor can we reasonably presume that they will long remain after that work is accomplished. With these two thought in mind, we can approximate the time of the deliverance."
Click here for scan of 1911 version "That the deliverance of the saints must take place very soon after 1914 is manifest, since the deliverance of fleshly Israel, as we shall see, is appointed to take place at that time, and the angry nations will then be authoritatively commanded to be still, and will be made to recognize the power of Jehovah's Anointed. Just how long after 1914 the last living members of the body of Christ will be glorified, we are not directly informed; but it certainly will not be until their work in the flesh is done; nor can we reasonably presume that they will long remain after that work is accomplished."

The 1915 Mar 1 issue of the Watch Tower admitted to these changes in the following article.

"CHANGES IN "SCRIPTURE STUDIES"
We call attention to a few slight changes which have been made in four pages of Vol. II. and six pages of Vol. III., "STUDIES IN THE SCRIPTURES." These are all trivial and do not alter the real sense and lesson, but conform to the facts as we have them today. The pages containing these corrections are as follows:
Vol. II., page 77, line 1, "will be the farthest limit," reads "will see the disintegration."
Vol. II., page 77, line 6, "will obtain full universal control," reads "will begin to assume control."
Vol. II., page 77, lines 16,17, "end of A.D. 1914," reads "end of the overthrow."
Vol. II., page 81, line 9, "can date only from A.D. 1914," reads "could not precede A.D. 1915."
Vol. II., page 170, line 16, "at that time they will all be overturned."*
*How long it will require to accomplish this overturning we are not informed, but have reason to believe the period will be short.
Vol. II., page 221, line 25, "full favor until A.D. 1914," reads "full favor until after 1915."
Vol. III., page 94, line 29, "in this end or harvest," reads "at the end of this harvest."
Vol. III., page 126, line 12, "at A.D. 1914," reads "after 1914."
Vol. III., page 133, line 21, "ere the harvest is fully ended."+
+The end of the harvest will probably include the burning of the tares.
Vol. III., page 228, line 11, "some time before 1914," reads "very soon after 1914."
Vol. III., page 228, line 15, "just how long before," reads "just how long after."
Vol. III., page 362, line 11, "some time before," reads "some time near."
Vol. III., page 364, line 14, "must not only witness," reads "may not only witness.""

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joyandfaith:
all ur posts are lies upon lies. smh. do soul searching and reflect on your entire life.

Post them lies, and I will show that you are just once more lying

fake jw the mall and some others think I'm a pastor

phony jw mano and gnews think I'm paul grundy

you think I'm from a church in rwanda


you all hear from the same spirit, satans spirit

joyandfaith:
it is ur church that corrupt the Bible by breeding immoral behavior, encourage tribalism, murder and rituals. if most people love peace like jw many wars and genocide would been averted. ur church members killed themselves in Rwanda during genocide. love is only mark that identify true Christianity say our Lord Jesus, the son of only true God Jehovah. love, an fruitage of holy spirit, is seen clearly among true Christians in respective of their background-racial, social etc. Gal 5:22,23. John 13:34,35.

evil jw lie post after post

themall:
BUSTED.

themall:
BUSTED.

themall:
BUSTED.

You certinally have been

you busted yourself

themall:
But not you or your church.

fake jw themall doesn't know me
fake jw themall doesn't know my church although so far he has said I belong to five diffrent churches

fake jw thinks I'm a pastor, satan told him that, along with telling him the church I belong to

themall:
Just got contacted by others. Smell of IMPERSONATION. BUSTED. Please add BUSTED to your new found delusions

themall and other fake jw's think I'm a pastor, a nigerian pastor
jwmano and gnews think I'm paul grundy
see how satans spirit in them makes them believe anything he wants them to

the Holy Spirit knows who I am

themall:
I hope that one day you will not introduce homosexual acts into the Christian Church. Nigerians don't want it. Where we find it we'll preach and advocate against it!

evil jw's thing is child abuse:

Jehovah's Witness Leader: There's a 'Spiritual Dilemma' in ...jezebel
http://jezebel.com/jehovahs-witness-leader-theres-a-spiritual-dilemma-in-1724774229
Aug 18, 2015 - The commission is now questioning members of the Jehovah's Witnesses, finding that there have been 1,006 reports of sexual abuse made to ...

themall:
Also, Remember that only the Catholics and the Baptists and the Anglican and the Nigerian Pentecostals HAS THE RIGHT to bible changing. Oh my God and my Lord who will liberate Africans from poverty of the mind and from slavery to dogmatic foreign biases...

no not only others, evil jw leads the way in Bible changing
you know that

themall:
Plagiarized from: www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/failed-1914-predictions.php

Don't give the lame argument that you quoted the real source. No wonder you have something new say.

phony jw not only lies, he doesn't know what plagerism is
even though I gave definition
he prefers to lie and accuse
he loves to lie and accuse

themall:
Sometimes Nigerian pastors need to go for english lessons. No I don't mean going for lessons due to the typographical errors that we all commit on Nairaland. I mean going for lessons in order to understanding the english sense of the words. PLEASE check the meaning of fake! You'll most likely Google the term and then you'll understand better.

Then also Google all the trash you've been posting about a minority religion such as Jehovah's Witnesses.

See then that you've been a parrot of the gibberish on the internet and so YOU qualify as the fake. I thought I did not have to spell it out for you.

You see, you were not born when all the events took place. Where then did you get you jwfacts from. Oh, Oh, I guess you're thinking what am thinking...I N T E R N E T!

I did theology as a part time study. I can school you. I might even tell you some tricks in religion, because am quite appalled that a pastor in Nigeria is still been naive about one-church-above-the-other, the way you are....

Fake jw say's I am a pastor, a nigerian pastor
It can be seen time and time again how satans spirit in evil jw keeps telling them the wrong thing every time.

fake jw themall has accused me about three times now of posting other peoples writings and pretending they are my writings, that I wrote them, which is plagerism
I told evil jw to post just one of these occurences, which he hasn't and cannot do

but evil jw does love to lie and accuse over and over again
and they believe they are Christians and God's people
they have been deluded

2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

phony jw have pleasure in preaching their lies.

themall:
You lie because there's no other way for you. If we are told that purgatory is not scriptural we examine the point of view and move on. I don't care which religion points it out. But if it's our core belief about the heavens, the saints and so on are dispelled as untrue we simply disagree and leave the rest for Jesus. In all cases there is No need to spread blind BIG LIES, no need to parrot the hate speeches of Mr. Lloyd Evans, one of the places you and I have technically agreed you were plagiarizing from! You have no moral ground to say your brand of interpretation which was blindly copied from an apparently angry and bitter man is the truth.

Unfortunately, it's like someone else is doing your post for you because if you read back the posts, you'll see where I posted the sources of your confusion as well one of your chop chop church. So how come you're still saying I cannot post your plagiarized gibberish!!! Are you a learner.

lying jw said I agree with him that I plagerized
lying jw said he posted the plagerised material that I asked for
lying jw said he posted article from my church when he doesn't know my church
saying falsely five times which churches I belong to, talk about lies and delusion

it's amazing how deeply lies are embedded in evil jw.

joyandfaith:
prove d that phony jw is a liar. clueless

duh, just your very last post to me was a lie
phony jw lie all the time

joyandfaith:
false accusations? with evidence of genocide committed by ur church.

fake jw themall has accused me about three times now of posting other peoples writings and pretending they are my writings, that I wrote them, which is plagerism
I told evil jw to post just one of these occurences, which he hasn't and cannot do

but evil jw does love to lie and accuse over and over again
and they believe they are Christians and God's people
they have been deluded

2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

phony jw have pleasure in preaching their lies.

themall:
For all those who are interested in hating God, JW Religion, Minority Belief Group and so on, for all those whose blood pleasure are normalized when they bigot sincere worshipers of God, let me help you to the hate websites where you can have more weapons against your fellowmen. I want to help you. You'll find the sites INFORMATIVE.

LIST OF HATE WEBSITES: 99% Truth, but 1% FATAL POISON! Very effective.
1. http://www.jwfacts.com
2. www. jwsurvey.org/
3. www​. jehovahs - witness.com/
4. www.cultwatch.com/
5. www.alwaysbeready.com/
6. https://www.jehovahswitnessrecovery.com
7. www.jesus-is-savior.com/

BRB

99% is very damming

what is the 1% of FATAL POISON?

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Watchtower quotes prior to 1914

Russell taught that Jesus invisible rulership began in 1874.

"Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present since October 1874, A.D., according to the testimony of the prophets, to those who have ears to hear it: and the formal inauguration of his kingly office dates from Apr 1878, A.D." Studies in Scriptures Series IV (1897) p.621

As shown at DaVinci Code, Russell used pyramidology to support this belief.

1874 to 1914 was described as the greatest time of trouble in human history, with 1914 to be the conclusion of the Last Days. Armageddon would begin, resulting in the wholesale destruction of all government and religion. Russell and his followers were to be raised to heaven and Jesus Kingdom would then be established as paradise on earth.

"Now, in view of recent labor troubles and threatened anarchy, our readers are writing to know if there may not be a mistake in the 1914 date. They do not see how present conditions can hold out so long under the strain. We see no reason for changing the figures - nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble." Zion's Watch Tower 1894 Jul 15 p.226

The following quotes during the lead up to 1914 show there could be no doubt as to what followers of the Watchtower Society were to expect.
Armageddon ended

"… the battle of the great day of God Almighty … The date of the close of that "battle" is definitely marked in Scripture as October 1914. It is already in progress, its beginning dating from October, 1874." Zion's Watch Tower 1892 Jan 15 p.23

End of the "Time of Trouble"

"The seventh trumpet sounds from Aug. 1840, until "the time of trouble," or day of wrath is ended. Hence, it doubtless ends with the times of the Gentiles, and this forty years of conquest; and therefore, sounds until A. D. 1914; at the end of which, Babylon the great, will have fallen, and the "dragon" be bound: that is, the nations will be subdued, and "the prince of this world cast out."" Three Worlds and the Harvest of This World (Barbour & Russell, 1877) p.27

Religion Utterly Destroyed

"The seventh trumpet sounds from Aug. 1840, until "the time of trouble," or day of wrath is ended. Hence, it doubtless ends with the times of the Gentiles, and this forty years of conquest; and therefore, sounds until A. D. 1914; at the end of which, Babylon the great, will have fallen, and the "dragon" be bound: that is, the nations will be subdued, and "the prince of this world cast out."" Three Worlds and The Harvest of This World (1877) p.143

"A.D. 33, to A.D. 70 was 36 ½ years; and so from A.D. 1878 to the end of A.D. 1914 is 36 ½ years. And, with the end of A.D. 1914, what God calls Babylon, and what men call Christendom, will have passed away, as already shown in prophecy." Studies In the Scriptures - Thy Kingdom Come (1891) p.153

"October, 1914, will witness the full end of Babylon, "as a great millstone cast into the sea," utterly destroyed as a system." Watch Tower 1911 Jun 15 p.190

Harvest work complete

"HARVEST" is a term which gives a general idea as to what work should be expected to transpire between the dates 1874 and 1914." Studies In the Scriptures - Thy Kingdom Come p.135

"These, already examined, show that the close of 1874 marked the beginning, as the close of 1914 will mark the end, of this 40 years of harvest; while all the minutiae of the order and work of this harvest were portrayed in that of the Jewish age, its type." Studies In the Scriptures - Thy Kingdom Come pp.149-150

Governments overthrown

Studies In the Scriptures Series II - The Time Is at Hand (1889) pp.77, 78 claimed seven things would happen in 1914. Not one of these eventuated. The following statements are extracted from that list;

1. "the disintegration of the rule of imperfect men. at that date the Kingdom of God, for which our Lord taught us to pray, saying, "Thy Kingdom come," will begin to assume control, and that it will then shortly be "set up," or firmly established, in the earth, on the ruins of present institutions."
2. He whose right it is thus to take the dominion will then be present as earth's new Ruler; and not only so, but it will also prove that he will be present for a considerable period before that date;
3. the last member of the divinely recognized Church of Christ, the "royal priesthood," "the body of Christ," will beglorified with the Head;
4. Jerusalem shall no longer be trodden down
5. Israel's blindness will begin to be turned away
6. the great "time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation," will reach its culmination in a world-wide reign of anarchy
7. It will prove that before that date God's Kingdom, organized in power, will be in the earth and then smite and crush the Gentile image (Dan. 2:34)-and fully consume the power of these kings."

"True, it is expecting great things to claim, as we do, that within the coming twenty-six years all present governments will be overthrown and dissolved. In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished at the end of A. D. 1914. Be not surprised, then, when in subsequent chapters we present proofs that the setting up of the Kingdom of God is already begun, that it is pointed out in prophecy as due to begin the exercise of power in A.D. 1878, and that the "battle of the great day of God Almighty" (Rev. 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced. The gathering of the armies is plainly visible from the standpoint of God's Word." Studies In the Scriptures Series II - The Time Is At Hand (1889) pp.99, 101

"we have seen that God has a set time for every feature of his plan, and that we are even now in this "Day of Vengeance," which is a period of forty years; that it began in October, 1874, and will end in October, 1914 [very shortly]." Studies In the Scriptures Series IV - The Day of Vengeance -pp.546, 547

Jesus to start ruling the earth

SETTING UP THE EARTHLY GOVERNMENT ---- Not until the full end of Gentile Times (October, A.D. 1914) should we expect the earthly phase of God's Kingdom; for in giving a lease of dominion to the Gentiles until that date God made no mistake and his plans alter not. The earthly phase of the Kingdom of God when set up will be Israelitish; for such is God's engagement or covenant with Abraham and his natural seed. Even the chief favor, the spiritual Kingdom, was offered first to fleshly Israel, and would have been given to them if they had been ready at heart to receive it on the conditions attached to it-to suffer with Christ and afterward to be glorified with him." Studies In the Scriptures Series IV - The Day of Vengeance pp.624,625

Earthly Resurrection to occur

"And yet "Jerusalem must be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled;" hence, trodden downuntil A. D. 1914, when the day of wrath will be passed, and the resurrection and return of the "whole house of Israel" due." Three Worlds and The Harvest of This World (1877) p.166

"The beginning of the earthly phase of the Kingdom in the end of A.D. 1914 will, we understand, consist wholly of the resurrected holy ones of olden time-from John the Baptizer back to Abel-"Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and all the holy prophets." Studies In the Scriptures Series IV - The Day of Vengeance p.625

144,000 All Resurrected to Heaven
1908 edition Thy kingdom come page 228

The 144,000, also known as the "body of Christ" or "the saints", were to all be in heaven by 1914, prior to the completion of Armageddon.

"That the deliverance of the saints must take place some time before 1914 is manifest, since the deliverance of fleshly Israel, as we shall see, is appointed to take place at that time... Just how long before 1914 the last living members of the body of Christ will be glorified, was are not directly informed;..." Studies In the Scriptures - Thy Kingdom Come (1908 ed.) p.228

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themall:
With all your high temperature, how is this a problem of falsehood if not that you are spiritually poor and dangerous to healthy Christian theology? You see, if one theological school-of-thought says Jesus revealed it, and others say he sent it through an angel, is the bottom line not to the glory of God?!

You agree with Bible changing supposed jw that the angel in rev 1:1 is Jesus
and that is the sort of lies that evil jw preach

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

evil jw say: God sent and signified it by His angel Jesus Christ

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Jesus's angel, the angel of the Lord, is probably the angel Michael
Michael is the "angel of the Lord"
and not
"Michael the angel, is the Lord" as fake jw would believe it
even after the scriptures such as these have been shown to them, they are still happy to follow satans doctrines.

themall:
Your depth of hatred, may it not lead you to be condemned into eternal damnation by our Lord on the last day.

I have no fear of that because I am in the Truth

You have no fear of that because you have been deluded.

themall:
petty. you're even losing the logic of sound arguments Ha

You lie and say anything to avoid the truth
and you did say those confused lies:

johnw74:
deluded jw said:
I belong to a big church

then deluded jw said:
I don't belong to a church

then deluded jw said:
I belong to the rc church

the latest from deluded jw is that:
I'm not in any neutral position

themall:
You sound like someone whose eyes have been opened, knowing good and bad! Remember, your arguments are exactly those of an atheist, who has not seen the glory of God and your conclusions so far about the motives of this particular sect is what Jesus warned you against. However, any serious spirit filled Christian will see your posts and condemn it.

I noticed that you seem to depend more on winning the argument, using plagiarism, half truths and such theological tactics found on the internet. You will achieve more by NOT deliberately including lies in your personal assertions. You can get enlightenment from others. Humility of Jesus means, when you're wrong, accept it

I don't lie, but you know nothing about not lying

You fake jw accuse me of lying and of course you lie again and again in the same short post, again accusing of plagerism,
I asked you to post this plagerism, but of course you cannot, it doesn't exist, but evil jw loves to continue to lie.

2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Their works are calling God "a god"
changing Bible verses to suit false doctrine etc.

No not "caring, loving and understanding"
self righteous is the word.

themall:
Now that you agree that you're not in any neutral position, it's time for you to tell the truth about your real problems. The truth will among other things, set you free.
Irresponsible people often fear to belong to any religion with principles. Irresponsible people who go ahead to belong to a religion often hide their identity in terms of doctrines and so on. So, climb out of that club and see how free you'll be.

Okay my real problems are that dumb jw say that many Bible verses mean other than what they say
for example:

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

supposed jw wrongly say, as they do about very many verses, that the angel there is Jesus Christ.

The lies and delusions of fake jw in just a couple of posts
imagine if I looked through the posts of fake jw mano and dolphinheart etc
my post would be pages and pages long.

themall:
You still don't think your plagiarism gives you away as a wolf in sheep clothing!

themall:
You're just as angry against Jesus as the Pharisees...

evil jw lied saying I plagiarize , and that I'm angry with Jesus
and then other fake jw's give "likes" to his posts

evil jw's support each others lies.

They are truly deluded into believing they are Jehovah's Witnesses.

themall:
Now that you agree that you're not in any neutral position, it's time for you to tell the truth about your real problems. The truth will among other things, set you free.
Irresponsible people often fear to belong to any religion with principles. Irresponsible people who go ahead to belong to a religion often hide their identity in terms of doctrines and so on. So, climb out of that club and see how free you'll be.

deluded jw said:
I belong to a big church

then deluded jw said:
I don't belong to a church

then deluded jw said:
I belong to the rc church

the latest from deluded jw is that:
I'm not in any neutral position

themall:
Continuing to shout ....
Why are you angry? BEWARE of high blood pressure?
More importantly STOP lying! STOP misleading and STOP telling half truths, 99% and 1% poison!
If you're too scared to bring it on then Good night

deluded jw talking about himself

www.jwfacts.com

1914 : Failed Watchtower Prophecy

One of the most misleading statements in Watchtower publications is that they accurately foretold 1914 to be the “start” of the conclusion of this system of things. Rather, 1914 was predicted to be the “end” of the system of things, the conclusion of Armageddon and the start of the earthly paradise.
What Watchtower said
prior to 1914 What Watchtower claims it said
prior to 1914
"The year A.D. 1878 … clearly marks the time for the actual assuming of power as King of kings, by our present, spiritual, invisible Lord - …" The Time is At Hand (1911 ed) p.239 "The Watchtower has consistently presented evidence to honesthearted students of Bible prophecy that Jesus’ presence in heavenly Kingdom power began in 1914." Watchtower 1993 Jan 15 p.5
"But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble. Zion's Watch Tower 1894 Jul 15 p.226 "Jehovah's witnesses pointed to the year 1914, decades in advance, as marking the start of "the conclusion of the system of things." Awake! 1973 Jan 22 p.8

The contradictory statements above help identify two critical facts:

Watchtower falsely predicted this system would end in 1914
Watchtower is not always honest about its history

1914 is the pivotal date for the existence of Jehovah's Witnesses, currently explained as the date:

the Last Days began
Jesus started ruling in heaven
the Gentile times ended

1914 is the basis for the interpretation of the majority of other Bible prophecies. Most importantly, this was the time during which Jesus is said to have come to inspect and cleanse the Watchtower Society, resulting in Jesus choosing it in 1919 to be the only organization he works though in our time, and the only means of salvation.
The changing last days

The 1914 doctrine changes as it is falsified by the progression of history.

The last days started in 1799, ending in 1914.
The last days started in 1914, ending within a single lifetime/generation of those born prior to 1914.
The last days started in 1914, with an unspecified ending, after a period of an "overlapping generation."

The current understanding is significantly different to the original teachings. Prior to 1914, the Watchtower believed:

The Last Days began 1799
Jesus Parousia started 1874
Jesus started ruling in heaven in 1878
The Gentile Times would end in 1914, resulting in the:
end of Armageddon
fall of false religion
end of all earthly governments
heavenly and earthly resurrections
paradise on earth

The ability of the Watchtower to accurately foretell the meaning of 1914 is a great source of faith for Jehovah's Witnesses, unaware of what the Watchtower said prior to 1914, as nothing that Russell said about 1914 came to pass. 2nd October 1914 was to be the final of many dates for Russell, the conclusion of matters.

“Quite a few delegates stayed at Bethel, and, of course, members of the headquarters staff were present at the breakfast table on Friday morning, October 2. Everyone was seated when Brother Russell entered. As usual, he said cheerily, “Good morning, all.” But this particular morning was different. Instead of proceeding promptly to his seat, he clapped his hands and joyfully announced: “The Gentile times have ended; their kings have had their day.” “How we clapped our hands!” exclaims Cora Merrill. Brother Macmillan admitted: “We were highly excited and I would not have been surprised if at that moment we had just started up, that becoming the signal to begin ascending heavenward—but of course there was nothing like that, really.” Sister Merrill adds: “After a brief pause he [Russell] said: ‘Anyone disappointed? I’m not. Everything is moving right on schedule!’ Again we clapped our hands.”” Yearbook 1975 pp.72,73

continue

themall:
"fake jw's" SMH. Then why don't you talk about original jw's. You still don't think your plagiarism gives you away as a wolf in sheep clothing!

Twice you have falsely accused that
yet you cannot supply a quote

evil jw LOVES TO LIE

themall:
So You're not deluded? and you are the judge of that fact? You're just as angry against Jesus as the Pharisees...

evil jw LOVES TO LIE

themall:
Now that you agree that you're not in any neutral position, it's time for you to tell the truth about your real problems. The truth will among other things, set you free.
Irresponsible people often fear to belong to any religion with principles. Irresponsible people who go ahead to belong to a religion often hide their identity in terms of doctrines and so on. So, climb out of that club and see how free you'll be.

Continued lies and fantasy from deluded jw

they believe they are witnessing for Jehovah, just read all their nonsense and lies,
they are so deluded.

What do these churches have in common?



the supposed jehovahs witnesses

the mormons

the seventh day adventists

the roman catholic church



they all say they are the true church.


Many sects and orginisations say they are the true church:

Sarang:
I doubt you know the lord Jesus cos if you do,you won't even call someone evil cos Jesus hates that

Sarang:
Pheewwww. You don tire me Mr.

^^^
Continued nonsense

Sarang:
How can I understand when your writings itself is incomprehensible? Please write to me in a way that I will understand.

Sarang:
How can I understand when your writings itself is incomprehensible? Please write to me in a way that I will understand.

^^^
You cannot understand the Truth without the Holy Spirit
satans spirit doesn't cut it.

Sarang:
Haha.. you are funny.
I don't have anything to say to you.

You don't, what are these posts of yours?