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joyandfaith:
you are an antagonist nothing can convince u til you know what is truth. if you do not know it, pls tell me I will the truth to you.

Untruthful supposed jw still cannot answer my posts and still goes round in circles

dolphinheart:
1. I quoted your words before I said it was a lie
2. I underlined the specific words that are lies in your sentences
3. I explained why they are lies.
4. I gave examples of how the relationship between the father and son is.
5. I asked you to present to me questions or points you made in your post which you accuse me of not responding to, you did not do so.
6. I gave you some points about Jesus, you did not respond to it.
7. I asked you some questions about Jesus and the father, you have up till this moment refused to respond to it.

You are full of lies, I said from the beginning, answer my posts and then I will address yours
you never did answer my points, and you just kept on posting with questions and anything to avoid the issues you could not answer, avoiding my points and scriptures.
again answer my earlier posts in this thread and then you can ask me something.


Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

joyandfaith:
if you do no know meaning of truth, you will not understand. so what is truth?

Untruthful supposed jw cannot answer posts so goes round in circles

johnw74:
Don't be a coward, address the points in my posts and then I will tell you what is the truth, because you certainly don't know.

goodnews201668:
I am not surprised you guys will just beating around the bush always and shifting the goal post. Any sound mind will see the sense in my explanations, I was even thinking you will come up with another portion. You are Paul Grundy, I know I have seen his traits!

Ha ha, now this is getting even more interisting,
who else is Paul Grundy? are you going to answer g newsy, or are you going to go dumb and confused again.

goodnews201668:
Oga you are just confused my answer is very straight and precise, it's clear in the Bible. Revelation 1:1 clearly shows the visions came from Jesus and it was giving to him by his father and God which is Jehovah! read again.

duh, all you supposed jw's don't answer points made and go into confusion.
Father gave revelation to Jesus, Jesus sent it to John by His Angel, simple, and what about it, no one questioned that.

dolphinheart:
the word was with God ". The word cannot be with and still be that same person.

duh again supposed jw, God here is the Father, the Word is the son they are not the same person, they are the same God, the same Eternal Spirit.

dolphinheart:
you say that God is one, one what? one God? one entity? one person?, but you are here trying to merge two god's together

God is one God one Spirit, I have never said God is two god's, you supposed jw cannot help but lie

but supposed jw has said God is two gods:

God and "a god"

mighty god and almighty god

duh jw

dolphinheart:
your father gave birth to you, you HAVE the same spirit and flesh, not " you are " the same spirit and flesh(as you are trying to portray)

duh, if I have the same spirit and flesh as my father, then I am the same spirit and flesh as my father,

You have been deluded through unbelief.

dolphinheart:
I did reply your post, but if you feel there is a part I omitted, let me know



but you refused to respond to what I said, if they are true or not. We would have known more about who Jesus is if you had told us if I'm right or wrong with what I said about Jesus.
is the word the almighty God ? no
is the word the most high? no
is the word the father ? no
is jesus always subjected to the father yes?
is jesus a messenger of the father? yes
did Jesus do the will of the Father ? yes
is the father greater than jesus? yes
does jesus have a god? yes
is the father the God of jesus? yes


good, apply this to jesus too.
is jesus the father ? no
is jesus equal to the father ? no
does jesus have divine nature as the father ? yes
does the divine nature make him God almighty? no
will humans share in this divine nature? yes


[size=14pt]this is where lies are creeping in into your explanations. I've asked and I've received no response, is jesus the same person as the father? is jesus the father?[/size]
your father gave birth to you, you HAVE the same spirit and flesh, not " you are " the same spirit and flesh(as you are trying to portray). you are two different persons who could talk, discuss, see, and be with each other. The scriptures have shown extensively that Jesus and Jehovah does this too. The person who Sat at the right hand of the Majesty on high is not the same spirit as the the Majesty on high!



derived analogy will not help here, the scriptures never said Jesus is the only true God, it specifically told you that the father is the only true God.
If jesus is not the father, then jesus cannot be the only true God.
you say that God is one, one what? one God? one entity? one person?, but you are here trying to merge two god's together .

"In the beginning was the word". The word had a beginning.
" the word was with God ". The word cannot be with and still be that same person.
therefore the word was a god , with a divine nature like the almighty God. He is a mighty God, but still subjected to his God and Father, Jehovah, the only true God!



that a spirit messenger of almighty God can be a god does not mean the almighty God can be a spirit messenger.
you agree that Jesus was begotten, the one who beget and the one who was begotten are not the same person, neither are they equal.


the word was used to create the Angels, he was Jehovahs master worker.

You talk about lies, show where you asked me about that
you are truly full of lies.

You won't provide the quote will you, it doesn't exist?

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Jesus is truly talking about you jw isn't He.

dolphinheart:
I did reply your post, but if you feel there is a part I omitted, let me know



but you refused to respond to what I said, if they are true or not. We would have known more about who Jesus is if you had told us if I'm right or wrong with what I said about Jesus.
is the word the almighty God ? no
is the word the most high? no
is the word the father ? no
is jesus always subjected to the father yes?
is jesus a messenger of the father? yes
did Jesus do the will of the Father ? yes
is the father greater than jesus? yes
does jesus have a god? yes
is the father the God of jesus? yes


good, apply this to jesus too.
is jesus the father ? no
is jesus equal to the father ? no
does jesus have divine nature as the father ? yes
does the divine nature make him God almighty? no
will humans share in this divine nature? yes


this is where lies are creeping in into your explanations. I've asked and I've received no response, is jesus the same person as the father? is jesus the father?
your father gave birth to you, you HAVE the same spirit and flesh, not " you are " the same spirit and flesh(as you are trying to portray). you are two different persons who could talk, discuss, see, and be with each other. The scriptures have shown extensively that Jesus and Jehovah does this too. The person who Sat at the right hand of the Majesty on high is not the same spirit as the the Majesty on high!



derived analogy will not help here, the scriptures never said Jesus is the only true God, it specifically told you that the father is the only true God.
If jesus is not the father, then jesus cannot be the only true God.
you say that God is one, one what? one God? one entity? one person?, but you are here trying to merge two god's together .

"In the beginning was the word". The word had a beginning.
" the word was with God ". The word cannot be with and still be that same person.
therefore the word was a god , with a divine nature like the almighty God. He is a mighty God, but still subjected to his God and Father, Jehovah, the only true God!



that a spirit messenger of almighty God can be a god does not mean the almighty God can be a spirit messenger.
you agree that Jesus was begotten, the one who beget and the one who was begotten are not the same person, neither are they equal.


the word was used to create the Angels, he was Jehovahs master worker.

As usual supposed jw lie and are very confused, and keeps showing you cannot answer questions,
but instead asks questions, they don't mind showing their dishonesty.
Go back to my posts and answer my points and I will then show you where you are wrong all over the place.
You and other supposed jw avoid like the plague all the points and scriptures where I have showed you to be wrong.

joyandfaith:
he is afraid of letting other knows his church. that church much be very terrible.

He is not wanting to throw his pearls before the swine.

JMAN05:
phony, how things? its been long.

What's phony in my short post? is it that I rejected satanic supposed jw before Paul Grundy was born? or what is it?, you cannot point anything out can you?
supposed jw cannot answer posts, but ask questions and change the subject and do anything to avoid admitting their wrong
lying is what supposed jw does best, so that's what they do, they do it in most posts

JMAN05:
We avoid apostates, not just for there attitude towards our message but cos the scripture says we should avoid them. 2jhn 10, 11. 1cor 5:11

No matter how sure u are to win the argument, u are barred from the scriptures to even say a greeting to him, let alone argue with him. in fact, he will stop if u don't give him audience. even if he doesn't stop, let him be.

The first temptation to reply comes when you read his comments. when u do, u will be forced to respond. This is what I do, its a suggestion: Don't read any comment that he makes. for me, if I see paulgrundy when reading a thread, I don't read any comment below that name weather its a quotation of his comment or a comment from him. This way, you wouldnt even know what he said, let alone replying. for eg, I don't even know what paulgrundy said on this thread, not even one. even if he quoted me.

Again, never be tempted to read any "is" from that demonic jwfacts. that site is owned by an apostate. this peoole have been handed to satan. dont share in that plague. None of us would want to be disciplined by Jah before we change!

Emusan is a different person. he and john were brought up by paulgrundy whom they learned apostate thinking from. but there's is different. However, if someone is not interested in a sincere bible discussion, I limit my response to that one or ignore him until he grows up. though they are not to be treated as apostates.

No need to talk much on this, most of u probably know what am talking about more than I do. Do the right thing.

When they speak a lie they are speaking naturally.

goodnews201668:
You have started condemning me already? No wahala. But before you do please take to study the book of revelation and other scriptures and what they said about Christ and his God and Father.

And remember the book of revelation talks about Jehovah and Jesus but then if you take time to review it you'll see that Jehovah is superior.

Rev.1
[ 1] The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him,

(take note God gave unto him to show his servants)

to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
[ 2] Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw

(two persons here, remember Bible said word of God and the testimony of Christ!)

[ 3] Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
[ 4] John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

(Here refers to Jehovah himself he alone occupies the throne in the heavenly setting, then the next verse referred to Jesus. That's why you will read and. 'Take note and')

[ 5] And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
[ 6] And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father;

(and he made us kings and priests unto his GOD and FATHER)

to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
[ 7] Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
[ 8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
(This place is referring to Jehovah, in the old testament it's common to read thus said the lord when referring to Almighty God Jehovah the father and God of Jesus Christ! In my previous comment I talked about this.)

Revelation 2:8 if you read it very well it's reminding us about Jesus revelation, read from beginning. He is the only person to be resurrected by Jehovah himself to a spirit form of live! Christ was the first and the last which was dead and was resurrected by Jehovah himself. But in case you forget, if you concluded so maybe you are telling us you killed God and am afraid I can't even help you!

@bold, You condemmed yourself when you joined the supposed jw sect and said the Word is "a god"


@red, What absolute nonsense, and all because you cannot address my post
supposed jw don't answer because they cannot, and then talk rot in trying to get away from issues where they have been shown to be wrong.

Answer my points, for example: Jesus adressed the seven Churches, not the Father as you said, and answer all the other points as well.

joyandfaith:
jw preach about son of God who died for our sin.

Supposed jw preach a false christ who is "a god".

joyandfaith:
john 17:3 and 1 cor 15;27,28 address the issues you raised. Jesus was sent by God and meaning of angel is messenger. mal 3:1 refers Jesus as messenger of Malachi. hope you are not lazy too check the verses.check them and let us know ur opinion.

Stop your lying, I know that's hard for supposed jw, address the issues I posted and I will give you my opinion to those easy to understand verses and I will tell you about messenger also.
Supossed jw cannot answer posts and just asks questions in return.
Be honest and stop wasting time, I have shown you and other sjw wrong many times and you couldn't answer anything I have said.

JMAN05:
We avoid apostates, not just for there attitude towards our message but cos the scripture says we should avoid them. 2jhn 10, 11. 1cor 5:11

No matter how sure u are to win the argument, u are barred from the scriptures to even say a greeting to him, let alone argue with him. in fact, he will stop if u don't give him audience. even if he doesn't stop, let him be.

The first temptation to reply comes when you read his comments. when u do, u will be forced to respond. This is what I do, its a suggestion: Don't read any comment that he makes. for me, if I see paulgrundy when reading a thread, I don't read any comment below that name weather its a quotation of his comment or a comment from him. This way, you wouldnt even know what he said, let alone replying. for eg, I don't even know what paulgrundy said on this thread, not even one. even if he quoted me.

Again, never be tempted to read any "is" from that demonic jwfacts. that site is owned by an apostate. this peoole have been handed to satan. dont share in that plague. None of us would want to be disciplined by Jah before we change!

Emusan is a different person. he and john were brought up by paulgrundy whom they learned apostate thinking from. but there's is different. However, if someone is not interested in a sincere bible discussion, I limit my response to that one or ignore him until he grows up. though they are not to be treated as apostates.

No need to talk much on this, most of u probably know what am talking about more than I do. Do the right thing.

@ bold, ha ha, I was against satanic supposed jw befor Paul Grundy was born,
when they speak a lie they are speaking naturally.

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

johnw74:
re last six paragraphs on rev 1:8

what blind rubbish you write, of course rev 1:8 is Jesus Speaking

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

verses 5-8 are concerning Jesus, previous verse 7, who is it that is said to be coming with clouds?
who was it that was pierced?

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.


It is Jesus speaking to the Churches, or perhaps supposed jw's say that the Father was dead.

Rev 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

So now g news you can see that John was not talking about the Father but about Jesus christ when he called Him the Almighty.
Or maybe you will go on rejecting the Lord Jesus Christ, and go on following your christ who is "a god" right up until you are about to be thrown into the Lake Of Fire, I believe it will be too late for you then.

^^^
Ha ha, their own writings alone show supposed jw's are false prophets

joyandfaith:
jw preach about Christ. imitate Jesus convention was dedicated to Jesus last year.

Supposed jw preach a false christ who is "a god".

joyandfaith:
what is the truth?

Don't be a coward, address the points in my posts and then I will tell you what is the truth, because you certainly don't know.

joyandfaith:
how would you explain these scriptures?
john 17:3
1 for 15;27,28

I have already blown you out of the water
address the points in my post to dolphin and I will explain those verses to you.

goodnews201668:
I am glad you are quoting Bible now not from links created by disgruntled people.

Now look at this, it's not from our source. It's for you to know others also know the truth about this issue.
Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must shortly take place; and He sent and communicated {it} by His angel to His bond-servant John. (NAS)

GOD gave the revelation TO Jesus Christ; if Jesus was truly “God” why does he need another “God” to give him the revelation?

You didn't reply to my post because you couldn't, however I will reply to you post.

Why do you deny the Father sharing with His Son?

This fact alone proves Jesus Christ is lesser in knowledge than God.

perhaps the Father knows more than the son, my flesh father knows more than me, but what it proves is that the Father and the Son share in what they do

The Trinitarian camp and the Jesus is God camp

Christians you mean

simply cannot explain Revelation 1:1.

Just believe what is written:
God gave Jesus revelation, and Jesus sent it with His Angel to John.

Revelation 1:4-6 John TO the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from Him (God the Father) who is and who was and who is to come; AND from the seven Spirits who are before His throne; AND from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the first-born of the dead, AND the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him (Jesus) who loves us, and released us from our sins by his blood, AND he (Jesus) has made us to be a kingdom, priests to his God and Father; to him (God the Father) be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen. (NAS)

John writes his apocalypse in very clear terms; he addresses the “seven churches” in Asia, and then qualifies exactly to whom and from WHOM each message was given. First he gives supreme recognition to God the Father by addressing Him as, “Him who is and who was and who is to come.” Many Christians mistake this phrase as referring to Jesus without carefully reading the grammatical structure of the paragraph. The paragraph reads, “…Him who is and who was and who is to come AND FROM Jesus Christ.” In Revelation 1:5 Jesus is not God BECAUSE he made a kingdom of priests to, “his God.” Jesus has made his church to be a kingdom, priests, “to his God and Father.” How could Jesus be “God” in heaven if his kingdom belongs to, “his God and Father?”


The answer is that Revelation 1:8 is NOT Jesus speaking; it is the Father God speaking, as I will prove from the text internal evidence:

Revelation 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” (NAS)

The MAIN reason this verse is God speaking and not Jesus is the phrase, “the Lord God…the Almighty.” Jesus Christ is NEVER referred to as the “Almighty.” Not one single place in the entire New Testament can you find Jesus described as the “Almighty” One; the Greek word for Almighty is “Pantokrator,” and means, “All ruling one.”

Furthermore Revelation 1:8 is a reference to God the Father (aka in the OT as Yahweh, Elohim, El, Eloah, etc) as the Creator, who is He that was in the beginning (alpha) and end of everything (omega) which has been created, including the creation of His son Jesus (read Genesis. 1:1).

I don’t know where Christians get it in the head that alpha and omega have anything to do with deity. It may stem from using only the King James Version, a Bible that has so many flaws in its Greek translation it should never be held as credible for the serious student of scripture. Below is the KJV rendering of Revelation 1:8 and I have highlighted in red the words erroneously added by the KJV translators:

Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending,” saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. KJV

re last six paragraphs on rev 1:8

what blind rubbish you write, of course rev 1:8 is Jesus Speaking

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

verses 5-8 are concerning Jesus, previous verse 7, who is it that is said to be coming with clouds?
who was it that was pierced?

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.


It is Jesus speaking to the Churches, or perhaps supposed jw's say that the Father was dead.

Rev 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

dolphinheart:
those who follow jesus Christ, the Christ who told us he is sent, who told us he has a God,who told us he has a father, who told us his father is his God, who told us that his father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD, who told us how to pray to the father, who has shown us that he came not to do his will, but the will of his father, who died to provide a ransom for us, who was ressurected and ascended to heaven, who was exalted above his fellows, who is the king of God's Kingdom, who is the heir, who God will use to solve all our problems, who is always subjected to God who gave him authority and power.......Those who follow this Christ will be persecuted and killed, they will always be in the minority because they are no part of the world saturated by Satan's ideas.

You didn't reply to my post because you couldn't, but I will show you where you are wrong here, anyway.


You have no understanding, nothing you said changes the fact that the Word-Jesus Christ is God, which scriptures confirm.
I am the same human spirit and flesh as my father but my father is superior to me

The Father God begat Jesus, meaning Jesus is of the Father, God is Spirit, the Word-Jesus Christ is that same God spirit, just as you are the same human spirit and flesh as your father.


THE ONLY TRUE GOD

Of course the Father is the only True God, God is one, God and the Word is the only true God
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.



Also you say Jesus is an Angel, disregarding scriptures showing He isn't an angel
so with Jesus, according to supposed jw doctrine, being begotten by God, and with Jesus being an Angel,
that would mean Father God is an Angel as well.
Is Father God an Angel? or did the Word create the Angels.

The Word-God created the Angels but supposed jw would have you believe an Angel created the Angels.

goodnews201668:
I am glad you are quoting Bible now not from links created by disgruntled people.

Now look at this, it's not from our source. It's for you to know others also know the truth about this issue.
Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must shortly take place; and He sent and communicated {it} by His angel to His bond-servant John. (NAS)

GOD gave the revelation TO Jesus Christ; if Jesus was truly “God” why does he need another “God” to give him the revelation? This fact alone proves Jesus Christ is lesser in knowledge than God. The Trinitarian camp and the Jesus is God camp simply cannot explain Revelation 1:1.
Revelation 1:4-6 John TO the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from Him (God the Father) who is and who was and who is to come; AND from the seven Spirits who are before His throne; AND from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the first-born of the dead, AND the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him (Jesus) who loves us, and released us from our sins by his blood, AND he (Jesus) has made us to be a kingdom, priests to his God and Father; to him (God the Father) be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen. (NAS)

John writes his apocalypse in very clear terms; he addresses the “seven churches” in Asia, and then qualifies exactly to whom and from WHOM each message was given. First he gives supreme recognition to God the Father by addressing Him as, “Him who is and who was and who is to come.” Many Christians mistake this phrase as referring to Jesus without carefully reading the grammatical structure of the paragraph. The paragraph reads, “…Him who is and who was and who is to come AND FROM Jesus Christ.” In Revelation 1:5 Jesus is not God BECAUSE he made a kingdom of priests to, “his God.” Jesus has made his church to be a kingdom, priests, “to his God and Father.” How could Jesus be “God” in heaven if his kingdom belongs to, “his God and Father?”

The answer is that Revelation 1:8 is NOT Jesus speaking; it is the Father God speaking, as I will prove from the text internal evidence:

Revelation 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” (NAS)

The MAIN reason this verse is God speaking and not Jesus is the phrase, “the Lord God…the Almighty.” Jesus Christ is NEVER referred to as the “Almighty.” Not one single place in the entire New Testament can you find Jesus described as the “Almighty” One; the Greek word for Almighty is “Pantokrator,” and means, “All ruling one.”

Furthermore Revelation 1:8 is a reference to God the Father (aka in the OT as Yahweh, Elohim, El, Eloah, etc) as the Creator, who is He that was in the beginning (alpha) and end of everything (omega) which has been created, including the creation of His son Jesus (read Genesis. 1:1).

I don’t know where Christians get it in the head that alpha and omega have anything to do with deity. It may stem from using only the King James Version, a Bible that has so many flaws in its Greek translation it should never be held as credible for the serious student of scripture. Below is the KJV rendering of Revelation 1:8 and I have highlighted in red the words erroneously added by the KJV translators:

Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending,” saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. KJV

@ bold, Stop with your lying, if at all possible. Because they tell the truth you maliciously call them disgruntled people.

as for the rest, address my post first, and I will show you again where you are wrong here also.

goodnews201668:
1....Stop mixing things up, this is not Scrabble.
2....No just show me one scripture were Jesus is being address as Almighty "God"

1....Only things mixed up are in your head.

2....I have showed you rev 1:8 where John refers to Jesus
as the Almighty.
Of course I know that supposed jw's don't believe parts of the Bible that go against their false doctrines,
so you would twist it to say something different.
I showed you many verses of Jesus and Jahovah being called mighty God,
it doesn't matter to me that Jesus is not often called Almighty God, but you worry on it.

joyandfaith:
1....go and read history why jw are persecuted. it is because they imitate Christ. info is in Wikipedia and other reliable encyclopedia.
2....true Christians must be persecuted cos they are minority. Matt 7:13,14

1....You confuse rejected with persecuted, you won't be persecuted for following your christ, "a god"
but you will be rejected.

2.... You are typical supposed jw, you don't know the scriptures.
True christians are not persecuted because they are a minority, true Christians are persecuted because they follow the Truth-Jesus Christ.

goodnews201668:
1....Not true, it's only jehovah that has the title almighty God.
2....The Bible acknowledges the fact that jesus is a powerful God too, apart from almighty God himself no other person is bigger than Jesus.
Now listen to that bible portion thats John 1:1 it says in the beginning the word was with God.
3.... Think about this , what beginning is the bible talking about here?
4.... Almighty God doesn't have a beginning but the bible clearly tells us that Jesus has a beginning and was created by Jehovah himself.
Then again think about this the said he was with God, 5....now how can one be with another person and at the same time be that same person?
6.... It may interest you to know that Jesus christ never at a any point claim to be the same person as his father. No eye can see Jehovah but eyes saw Jesus christ. 7....There are many reasons why christ and his father Jehovah are different personalities.

1....False, and I already know that supposed jw's don't believe Bible verses that don't agree with their false doctrines

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Jesus said He is the Alpha and the Omega, John said He is the Almighty,
but supposed jw's would change that to say something else.



2....That's false, no part of the Bible acknowledges that Jesus is "a god"




3....That doesn't take much thinking, do you think you are a bible teacher? you are not, certinally not mine
It's talking about the beginning of Creation, there is no beginning before creation,
and creation probably began with the Creation of the Angels by the Word-Jesus Christ.



4....False, the person of Wisdom-the Word-Jesus Christ had no beginning, God's Spirit has no beginning,
Wisdom-the Word-Jesus Christ
but being God's spirit He is Eternal and God, before being bought forth as another person with God, He was in the bosom of God



5....You are confused, eg, the Word cannot be the Father, but He can be and is God,
It's impossible for you, not having the Holy Spirit, to understand
but you should just believe the verses anyway instead of believing your orgs. changed verses (satanic verses)


6....Of course not, they are not the same person, one is the Father the other is the Son.


7....False, That's nonsense, Jesus is the express image of His Father, they are diffrent persons not diffrent personalities.



Read from this site and see that you belong to an anti christ orginisation:
www.jwfacts.com/

And read from this site and learn about the Lord:
https://carm.org/




anti christ jw's reject God's scriptures:

johnw74:
There is only one God and he is called mighty, and He is called almighty

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

God is Almighty God
the Word is Almighty God

There is not a Almighty God and a mighty God, only a sect would teach and believe that.

He is mighty and He is almighty.

almighty and mighty are words used in the Bible for referring to God in some instances, and are not referring to God, and "a god".



I have seen many times where supposed jw's say that Almighty God refers to Jehovah and mighty god refers to
the Word Jesus Christ "a god".

The below verses all refer to Jehovah:

Deu_7:21 Thou shalt not be affrighted at them: for the LORD thy God is among you, a mighty God and terrible.

Psa_50:1 A Psalm of Asaph. The mighty God, even the LORD, hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof.

Psa_132:2 How he sware unto the LORD, and vowed unto the mighty God of Jacob;

Psa_132:5 Until I find out a place for the LORD, an habitation for the mighty God of Jacob.

Jer_32:18 Thou shewest lovingkindness unto thousands, and recompensest the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their children after them: the Great, the Mighty God, the LORD of hosts, is his name,

Hab_1:12 Art thou not from everlasting, O LORD my God, mine Holy One? we shall not die. O LORD, thou hast ordained them for judgment; and, O mighty God, thou hast established them for correction.


Jesus called mighty God:

Isa_9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Both Jesus and Jehovah are called mighty God.


John calls Jesus the almighty:

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

God and the Word are called mighty and are called almighty, because that's what God is.
I like to call Him "awesome", His that to.

joyandfaith:
Jesus says his real disciples will be persecuted
Matt 24:9
"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me.

Supposed jw's are not handed over to be persecuted and put to death,
real Christians are daily in different parts of the World.

If supposed jw's are not liked, it's not through following the true Jesus,
it's through following "a god".

goodnews201668:
No, Jehovah’s Witnesses are not a cult. Rather, we are Christians who do our best to follow the example set by Jesus Christ and to live by his teachings.
What is a cult?
The term “cult” means different things to different people. However, consider two common perceptions regarding cults and why those perceptions don’t apply to us.
Some think of a cult as being a new or unorthodox religion. Jehovah’s Witnesses have not invented a new religion. On the contrary, we pattern our worship after that of the first-century Christians, whose example and teachings were recorded in the Bible. (2 Timothy 3:16, 17 ) We believe that the Holy Scriptures should be the authority on what is orthodox in matters of worship.
Some think of a cult as being a dangerous religious sect with a human leader. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not look to any human as their leader. Rather, we adhere to the standard that Jesus set for his followers when he stated: “Your Leader is one, the Christ.”— Matthew 23:10 .
Far from being a dangerous cult, Jehovah’s Witnesses practice a religion that benefits its members and others in the community. For example, our ministry has helped many people to
overcome harmful addictions, such as the abuse of drugs and alcohol. In addition, we conduct literacy classes around the world, helping thousands
learn to read and write . And we are actively involved in disaster relief. We work hard to have a positive impact on others, just as Jesus commanded his followers to do.— Matthew 5:13-16


Yes. We believe in Jesus, who said: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” (John 14:6 ) We have faith that Jesus came to earth from heaven and gave his perfect human life as a ransom sacrifice. (Matthew 20:28 ) His death and resurrection make it possible for those exercising faith in him to gain everlasting life. (John 3:16 ) We also believe that Jesus is now ruling as King of God’s heavenly Kingdom, which will soon bring peace to the entire earth. (Revelation 11:15 ) However, we take Jesus at his word when he said: “The Father is greater than I am.” (John 14:28 ) So we do not worship Jesus, as we do not believe that he is Almighty God.

There is only one God and he is called mighty, and He is called almighty

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

God is Almighty God
the Word is Almighty God

There is not a Almighty God and a mighty God, only a sect would teach and believe that.

He is mighty and He is almighty.

almighty and mighty are words used in the Bible for referring to God in some instances, and are not referring to God, and "a god".



I have seen many times where supposed jw's say that Almighty God refers to Jehovah and mighty god refers to
the Word Jesus Christ "a god".

The below verses all refer to Jehovah:

Deu_7:21 Thou shalt not be affrighted at them: for the LORD thy God is among you, a mighty God and terrible.

Psa_50:1 A Psalm of Asaph. The mighty God, even the LORD, hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof.

Psa_132:2 How he sware unto the LORD, and vowed unto the mighty God of Jacob;

Psa_132:5 Until I find out a place for the LORD, an habitation for the mighty God of Jacob.

Jer_32:18 Thou shewest lovingkindness unto thousands, and recompensest the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their children after them: the Great, the Mighty God, the LORD of hosts, is his name,

Hab_1:12 Art thou not from everlasting, O LORD my God, mine Holy One? we shall not die. O LORD, thou hast ordained them for judgment; and, O mighty God, thou hast established them for correction.


Jesus called mighty God:

Isa_9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Both Jesus and Jehovah are called mighty God.


John calls Jesus the almighty:

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

God and the Word are called mighty and are called almighty, because that's what God is.
I like to call Him "awesome", His that to.

goodnews201668:
No, Jehovah’s Witnesses are not a cult. Rather, we are Christians who do our best to follow the example set by Jesus Christ and to live by his teachings.
What is a cult?
The term “cult” means different things to different people. However, consider two common perceptions regarding cults and why those perceptions don’t apply to us.
Some think of a cult as being a new or unorthodox religion. Jehovah’s Witnesses have not invented a new religion. On the contrary, we pattern our worship after that of the first-century Christians, whose example and teachings were recorded in the Bible. (2 Timothy 3:16, 17 ) We believe that the Holy Scriptures should be the authority on what is orthodox in matters of worship.
Some think of a cult as being a dangerous religious sect with a human leader. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not look to any human as their leader. Rather, we adhere to the standard that Jesus set for his followers when he stated: “Your Leader is one, the Christ.”— Matthew 23:10 .
Far from being a dangerous cult, Jehovah’s Witnesses practice a religion that benefits its members and others in the community. For example, our ministry has helped many people to
overcome harmful addictions, such as the abuse of drugs and alcohol. In addition, we conduct literacy classes around the world, helping thousands
learn to read and write . And we are actively involved in disaster relief. We work hard to have a positive impact on others, just as Jesus commanded his followers to do.— Matthew 5:13-16


Yes. We believe in Jesus, who said: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” (John 14:6 ) We have faith that Jesus came to earth from heaven and gave his perfect human life as a ransom sacrifice. (Matthew 20:28 ) His death and resurrection make it possible for those exercising faith in him to gain everlasting life. (John 3:16 ) We also believe that Jesus is now ruling as King of God’s heavenly Kingdom, which will soon bring peace to the entire earth. (Revelation 11:15 ) However, we take Jesus at his word when he said: “The Father is greater than I am.” (John 14:28 ) So we do not worship Jesus, as we do not believe that he is Almighty God.

"No, they are not Christian."

....Like all non-Christian cults, the Jehovah's Witness' organization distorts the essential doctrines of Christianity. It denies the deity of Christ, His physical resurrection, and salvation by grace. These make it non-Christian. In addition, to support its erring doctrines, the Watchtower organization (which is the author and teacher of all official Jehovah's Witness' theology) has altered the Bible to make it agree with its changing and non-Christian teachings.....

....Additionally, the Jehovah's Witness' organization requires of its members regular weekly attendance at their "Bible Study" meetings where they are repeatedly indoctrinated with anti-Christian teachings. This is done by reading the Watchtower magazine, following along with what it says, reading the questions it asks, and reciting the answers it gives. In other words, the Watchtower Organization carefully trains its members to let the Organization do their thinking for them. For confirmation of this, please read Does the Watchtower organization control the JW's thinking?....

....The Witnesses are told that they will be persecuted when they go door-to-door teaching their doctrines. They are further told that this is simply the enemy fighting against God's organization because they are in "the truth." So, when someone disagrees with them, they are conditioned to reflect on what the Watchtower has told them. They then feel confirmed in being in God's true organization on earth (like all cults claim).....

....The Jehovah's Witnesses are discouraged from looking into Jehovah's Witness' history or old Watchtower literature which is replete with contradictions, altered doctrines, and false prophecies. Instead, they are indoctrinated repeatedly against basic Christian doctrines (Trinity, deity of Christ, etc.,) and into the notion that they alone are the true servants of God and that all others are either in "Christendom" or simply unbelievers.....

....It is a non-Christian cult.

The full short article is here: https://carm.org/is-the-jehovahs-witness-religion-christian

....The Witnesses are told that they will be persecuted when they go door-to-door teaching their doctrines. They are further told that this is simply the enemy fighting against God's organization because they are in "the truth." So, when someone disagrees with them, they are conditioned to reflect on what the Watchtower has told them. They then feel confirmed in being in God's true organization on earth (like all cults claim).....

....It is a non-Christian cult.

The full short article is here: https://carm.org/is-the-jehovahs-witness-religion-christian

The Holy Spirit did good works in Jesus,
the pharisees knew of the good works Jesus had done including casting out devils, but they claimed Jesus done them by the spirit of the devil.

Calling the good works of the Holy Spirit, works of the devils spirit, is the sin against the Holy Spirit that won't be forgiven.



Mat_12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.