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Christianity Etc › Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by johnw74: 12:24am On Mar 30, 2016

777philosopher:
his real name is called " YAHUSHUA ". the name " Jesus " is fake. the Real name of God is " AHAYAH ASHER AHAYAH ". Leave Religion. Religion is bad. just obey the commandments and laws in the Bible. the true day of worship is Saturday. the seventh day that AHAYAH ASHER AHAYAH-the creator of heaven and earth, when he rested. not sunday.

[size=14pt]Understand This
The Messiah And The
Apostles Were Not
Christians......
They Were Hebrew!
They Were Israelites![/size]

Hebrews and Israelites can be Christian, so can German and african.
"Christian", means to follow Christ, the Apostles did that.

@top bold, Not a fake name at all, "Jesus" is what millions of people call Him.

In Hebrew my name is "Yochanan", but I speak English and I'm called "John"

The Son of God's name is "Yeshua" but I speak English and I call Him "Jesus"

Concerning the picture you posted of Jesus in Heaven, He has a white face not brown,
and His eyes are like flames.

Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

Christianity Etc › Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by johnw74: 1:10am On Mar 29, 2016

It is also a discredit to Nairaland forum, for not allowing the name "Jesus" to be capitalized.

Christianity Etc › Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by johnw74: 12:51am On Mar 29, 2016

FOR THE CHRISTIANS HERE:

2Ti 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

@blue, Paul wrote Holy scriptures which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus,
here is one:
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

What an honor to be named "Christian" after our Lord Jesus "Christ"

Christianity Etc › Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by johnw74: 11:26pm On Mar 27, 2016*

rexben:
Jesus never called His disciples Christians,Jesus never founded Christianity. Christians follow the bible but his disciples don't. They always follow Jesus words only not the bible. Disciples of Jesus don't follow Paul because Paul is a stranger and the voice of a stranger,they don't follow. Please read my new post to see more. SOME OF THE BELIEFS OF THE DISCIPLES OF JESUS.

@bold, No I don't believe I will, you discredit the Bible, God inspired writings.

I agree with you, you are not a Christian.

Christianity Etc › Re: Christianity; The Religion Not Founded By Jesus by johnw74: 7:33am On Mar 27, 2016

rexben:
To those that think i am talking from view of a muslim, sorry to disappoint you I AM NOT A MUSLIM. To those that think i am talking from the view of an aggrieved christian,sorry also to disappoint you I AM NEITHER A CHRISTIAN.
I AM TALKING FROM THE VIEW OF JESUS BECAUSE I AM HIS DISCIPLE AND I WILL FOLLOW HIM TILL I'LL BE UNITED WILL HIM AND OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN

@bold doesn't make sense, you say you are not a Christian, that you are a disciple of Jesus and you follow Him.
Christian means follower of Jesus Christ

Christian:

G5546

Χριστιανός
Christianos
khris-tee-an-os'
From G5547; a Christian, that is, follower of Christ: - Christian.
Total KJV occurrences: 3

Because some who call themselves Christians are not, and because some Pastors WHO call themselves christians are not, doesn't mean Disciples of Jesus Christ are not called Christians:

Act_26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.

1Pe_4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

Act_11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

A Christian is a follower of Jesus Christ.
As for me, I'm very happy to be named after Him: "A Christian".

Jesus said to Ananais in a vision concerning Paul:

Act 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

Barnabas said to the Disciples and Apostles concerning Paul:

Act 9:26 And when Saul was come to Jerusalem, he assayed to join himself to the disciples: but they were all afraid of him, and believed not that he was a disciple.
Act 9:27 But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus.
Act 9:28 And he was with them coming in and going out at Jerusalem.

Christianity Etc › Re: Greasy Grace, Another Gospel And The Neo-nicolaitans by johnw74: 1:10am On Mar 25, 2016*

We are saved by God's grace, through faith, not by our works.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Once saved by God we do good works, not to be saved but because we were created to do good works.

Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

A saved person is becoming like Christ and would give clothing and food, one without God's grace might just wish them well.

Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

If you are saved, you will have good works, not to be saved, but because you are saved (eph 2:10).

Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

The devils have faith-belief but they are not saved, God's works are not done in them.

Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

We are not saved by faith, we are saved by God's grace through faith, a person having no works accompanying his belief is not a saved person, having a dead faith.
The works are God's and may be no more than the changes He does in us, becoming more like Christ day by day.

Php 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

We are saved by grace through faith. That faith is not just faith-belief as the devils have, but it is faith-belief with works, the works of God in us, bringing us to Christ likeness.

2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

There is a living faith, where you live that faith, it is the faith that the saved have.
And there is a dead faith, where you don't have to live according to that faith, those with that faith are not among the saved.

Those who say things like: "once saved you can do anything at all, ignore the Holy Spirit, live a life of sin etc. etc. and still be saved", are wrong, the unsaved can live that way.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Rapture: The Believer’s Hope – Pastor Chris by johnw74: 1:20am On Mar 24, 2016

2Co 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Perfecting holiness is to stop doing things that are wrong (filthiness of the flesh)
and to stop thinking things that are wrong (filthiness of the spirit)

And if our thinking is right, then what we say should be right also, followed by what we do.
I guess it all starts in our mind-spirit.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Rapture: The Believer’s Hope – Pastor Chris by johnw74: 12:59am On Mar 24, 2016

wetu:
I would rather not define holiness, this is a discussion, not a teaching, I hope you are all pursuing holiness according to your own understanding of holiness. If you want to share with us what holiness means to you, go ahead.

I can post scriptures later when I have access to a Bible on my computer. It is important what God says, not pastor or what we think.

E-Sword is a good Bible for your computer with plenty of tools, it's also free.

Download it here: http://www.e-sword.net/downloads.html

Christianity Etc › Re: The Lord's Prayer In Jesus' Native Tongue by johnw74: 11:17pm On Mar 23, 2016

1Ch 29:11 Thine, O LORD, is the greatness, and the power, and the glory, and the victory, and the majesty: for all that is in the heaven and in the earth is thine; thine is the kingdom, O LORD, and thou art exalted as head above all.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Lord's Prayer In Jesus' Native Tongue by johnw74: 6:29am On Mar 23, 2016

lordnicklaus:
The Codex Syriacus, Aramaic Peshitta...

Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

lordnicklaus, The Codex Syriacus doesn't have "For thine is the kingdom"
but the Peshitta Aramaic does have it:

Nyml9 Ml9l Fxwb4tw fyxw Fwklm Yh Klydd
forever and ever and the glory and the power the kingdom is thine

As you can see I couldn't copy the Aramaic, but the English is there underneath.

lordnicklaus:
Some manuscripts add "For thine is the kingdom" and some don't have it. The real biblical manuscripts are those that do not have that.

So is the Peshitta Aramaic a false manuccript also?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Lord's Prayer In Jesus' Native Tongue by johnw74: 1:48am On Mar 22, 2016

lordnicklaus:
Some manuscripts add "For thine is the kingdom" and some don't have it. The real biblical manuscripts are those that do not have that.

How do you know that Bibles that have "For thine is the kingdom" are not accurate, and those that omit "For thine is the kingdom" are accurate?

Which early texts do you go on?

Christianity Etc › Re: Backsliding: Not An Option by johnw74: 2:23am On Mar 20, 2016

No backsliding is not an option:

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
Heb 6:5 and have tasted the good Word of God and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 and who have fallen away; it is impossible, I say, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify the Son of God afresh to themselves and put Him to an open shame.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Has Another Brother In Heaven Colossians1vs 15 by johnw74: 1:54am On Mar 20, 2016

Double post.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Has Another Brother In Heaven Colossians1vs 15 by johnw74: 1:49am On Mar 20, 2016

buchi4action:
I think u misinterpreted the said verse

Not misinterpreting, using a different Bible to jayzon,
whether one wants to use the word creature or Son, it makes no difference to the topic at hand.

I also replied to the thread title.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Has Another Brother In Heaven Colossians1vs 15 by johnw74: 1:36am On Mar 20, 2016

jayzon:
Thread title:
Jesus Has Another Brother In Heaven Colossians1vs 15

jayzon:
colossians1vs 15
,christ. is the visible likness of God he is the "firstborn son"

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

The firstborn of every creature, meaning in eternity before creation, when there was nothing but God Himself,
God bought forth the Word (called wisdom in proverbs) from Himself.
The Word, being of God's own Spirit is identical to God, and being God's Spirit, He is God and eternal,
He always existed in the bosom of God.

Christians can have God's spirit living in them, but the Word is God's Spirit.

There are scriptures showing that Jesus didn't have a brother in Heaven, heres one:

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Lord's Prayer In Jesus' Native Tongue by johnw74: 12:03am On Mar 20, 2016

lordnicklaus:
Hey guys, this is an opportunity to learn The Lord's prayer in Galilean Aramaic, Jesus' native tongue. Jesus spoke the Galilean dialect of the Aramaic language, a language similar to Hebrew. Aramaic became the everyday language of the Jews after the Babylonian transmigration or exile. It replaced its twin language, Hebrew as the language of communication among the ancient Israelites. Aramaic was later divided into various dialects such as; Claldaic, Syriac, Galilean, Mandaic, Judaean e.t.c.

Below is the Lord's prayer in Galilean Aramaic:

Abbwon d'bishmaya, nithqadash shmuk. Tete malkutuk. Nihwe sibyanuk eikana d'bishmaya af b'arah.
Hab lan lakhma d'sunkhanon yomana.
W'shbwoq lan khobeinon eikana d'af khanan shbwoqan l'khaybinon.
W'la teal lan l'nisayona il l'pas lan min bisha

Below is the phrase "For Thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory, for an age of ages. Amen" translated into Aramaic, though it is not meant to be part of the original prayer.

Mittul d'lukhay malkuta w'khayla w'tushbukhta l'alam almiyn. Amen

@blue, Hi, why do you say "For Thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory, for an age of ages. Amen"
is not part of the original prayer?
Prayer is talking to God, and the red below is Jesus talking to God.

Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.
Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Secrets The Catholic Church Hopes You’ve Forgotten by johnw74: 10:43pm On Mar 15, 2016*

impossible27:
Wat will u call ur money and sex seeking pastors

A priest is always respected where ever he find himself. compare to a pastor u cant recorgnise

@bold, I don't have any of those.

But they are bad, like your pedophile priests.

Christianity Etc › Re: A Test: Do You Have The True Jesus? by johnw74: 2:08am On Mar 15, 2016

OLAADEGBU:
A test: Do You Have The True Jesus?
by Matt Slick

There is a simple way to see if someone has the true Jesus or not. By true Jesus, I mean the one of the Bible--not the one of Mormonism who is the brother of the devil nor the Jehovah's Witness Jesus who is Michael the Archangel and certainly not the one of the New Age Movement who is simply a man in tune with the divine consciousness.

1. The Jesus of the Bible is prayed to (Acts 7:55-60; Psalm 116:4 and Zech. 13:9 with 1 Cor. 1:1-2).

2. The Jesus of the Bible is worshiped (Matt. 2:2, 11; 14:33; 28:9; John 9:35-38; Heb. 1:6)

3. The Jesus of the Bible is called God (John 20:28; Heb. 1:8.).

In cult theologies, Jesus is a creation in one form or another (this is why the Jehovah's Witnesses add the word ‘other' four times to Col. 1:16-17). Therefore, He is not to be prayed to, worshiped, or called God.

If you are a Christian, then you will be able to pray to Jesus--not just through. You will be able to worship Jesus equally with the Father. And you will be able to call Jesus your Lord and God. A cultist cannot do this. A cultist has a false Jesus, and, therefore, a false hope of salvation.

https://carm.org/a-test-do-you-have-true-Jesus

1Jn 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
1Jn 1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;

Jesus-the Word, is that eternal life which was with the Father

ETERNAL:
without beginning or end; lasting forever; always existing

Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

"that eternal life that was with the Father"
"the Lord possessed me"
"and the Word was God"

Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims Curse Jews And Christians 17 Times Each Day As Part Of The Salat by johnw74: 1:22am On Mar 15, 2016

Muslims curse Jews and Xtians 17 times EACH day

satan has muslims around his little finger completely
they are goooone

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Christianity Etc › Re: Christianity And The Ku Klux Klan by johnw74: 1:00am On Mar 15, 2016

They are as Christian as the mafia-deluded

Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Secrets The Catholic Church Hopes You’ve Forgotten by johnw74: 12:46am On Mar 15, 2016

stardragon:
any body who ridicule the holy mother church shall never go unpunished...

op take note

@bold, more rcc bull

@red, idols-statues, and pedophile priests are not holy

Christianity Etc › Re: How Does The Fact That There Are Gay Animals Impact The Idea That Gay Is Sin? by johnw74: 12:02am On Mar 15, 2016

I imagine that satan corrupts animals and all of creation,
not just humans.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Does The Fact That There Are Gay Animals Impact The Idea That Gay Is Sin? by johnw74: 2:04am On Mar 14, 2016

Muafrika2:
I think the net has been cast too wide. According to Wikipedia. ..

Homosexual behavior in animals is sexual behavior among non-human species that is interpreted as homosexual or bisexual. This may include sexual activity, courtship, affection, pair bonding, and parenting among same-sex animal pairs.

The only thing that should be considered, in my opinion, is sexual activity. It's like interpreting human and animal loving and close friendships as bestiality. Animals are very loving.

That reminds me of a cow I once had, which had some psychological problems
another cow stayed close with her, ocassionly licking her to comfort and bond.
When the first cow had a calf and didn't know what to do, the second cow
cleaned the calf and allowed it to suck milk from her.
Yeah animals can Love.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Tribulation Saints Versus The Church - Jack Kelley by johnw74: 12:19am On Mar 13, 2016

jiggaz:
Why do you people always twist what a man of God says? Jack Kelley didn't say that. What he said was that once saved, we can't lose our Salvation cos of sin, that the Holy Spirit is sealed within us as a guarantee till the day of redemption of our body ( Rapture ). He teaches that the FINISHED WORK OF CHRIST on the Cross changed everything for Humanity and it is greater than Adam's Sin in the Garden of Eden. Since you don't believe in the Grace Gospel of CHRIST about ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED, i think you need to stay off this thread cos i FIRMLY believe in ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED. I believe in the finished work of CHRIST ....... And please to avoid unnecessary argument, don't quote me cos we can never agree...... Thank you...

http://www.bibleguidance.co.za/Engarticles/Imputed.htm

Christianity Etc › Re: In Genesis 1: 26, God Was Talking To Someone, Do You Know The Person ? by johnw74: 2:50am On Mar 12, 2016

donnie:
Why the merry-go-round. Stick to what you believe. When you get hooked (because you sure will) you will come here and re-examine eplanning's posts. I'm certain many have read them and have received wisdom and knowledge which they never had before. .

I won't be getting any wisdom and knowledge from those who post scriptures for a pre-Adamite creation, when some of those scriptures are about other things.

eplanning say's almost word for word what Frank Caw and others have said long ago,
whereas Frank Caw and others may or may not believe what they write, they are also interested in making money from their books.

Christianity Etc › Re: In Genesis 1: 26, God Was Talking To Someone, Do You Know The Person ? by johnw74: 2:32am On Mar 12, 2016*

donnie:
Yes, didnt you read about the cave men who created farming tools, cooked, had families, comunities, houses, weapons etc?

Yeah sure, cave men didn't live in caves or primitive structures, they built cities, had monetary trade etc. - not.

donnie:
Truth came to us by the blood. The reason for the blood is that we might know and receive the truth and the life.
The blood gave us access into this truth wherein we stand.
Dont forget, He is the way, THE TRUTH and the life.
Many have already laid down their lives for this truth.

@bold, Many have already laid down their lives for the truth - Jesus Christ,
not for the knowledge of whether there was a pre-Adamite creation or not.

Christianity Etc › Re: In Genesis 1: 26, God Was Talking To Someone, Do You Know The Person ? by johnw74: 12:50am On Mar 12, 2016

johnw74:
Okay, but you are coming to that conclusion on some of the scriptures you posted, being to do with Noah's flood, the Babylonian exile,
the end of the age etc.

eplanning:
Realy? Kindly point out to me. Tnx

I'm not going through them all, here is the first few verses you have posted to me to support a creation before the Genesis creation:

Isaiah 24:1
Behold, the Lord maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.

Where the word "Earth" is used there a better word would be "land" because it is talking about Judea known as palestine then, and the surrounding places.

I posted a verse from that chapter showing it cannot be talking of a creation before the Genesis creation:

Isa 24:20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

Jeremiah 4:23-26
I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.

25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger.

Those Jeremiah verses are about Judaea during the Babylonian captivity.

It takes very little study to find out what the above Isaiah and Jeremiah verses are speaking about, you should do it.

Christianity Etc › Re: In Genesis 1: 26, God Was Talking To Someone, Do You Know The Person ? by johnw74: 12:43am On Mar 12, 2016

eplanning:
The scriptures you quoted refer to the present Adamite world. The pre-Adamite man that existed then was not made in the image and likeness of God as Adam was ( Gen 1:26). That man was perhaps just a higher and more intelligent class of animal. The destruction of that world was the result of the rebellion of Lucifer who was the covering cherub in charge of the earth. So Lucifer had already ruled the earth and become a fallen creature before Adam's time. He was already a fallen creature when he came into Adam's Eden(Gen 3; 2Cor 11:3). Hence, he must have fallen with a pre-Adamite creation.

According to Isaiah 14:12-14, Lucifer actually invaded heaven from earth hoping to defeat God and take His kingdom; but Lucifer himself was defeated and his kingdom cursed. Before his defeat, he had a throne, implying a kingdom and subjects to rule over. His kingdom was under the clouds, under the stars, under heaven-therefore, on earth.

Ezekiel 28:11-17 pictures Lucifer before he fell, as the annointed cherub or protector of the earth, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty, ruling in a garden of Eden (before Adam), created by God and perfect in his ways up to the time of his fall which was before the days of Adam.

So you see, a lack of understanding of this truth is why a lot of christians get confused and even thrown off balance when scientists come with facts that you cant deny which prove the existence of life on earth dating back to millions of years. There are fossils which are ruins of ancient cities, dinosaurs, homo-erectus which they have tested and proven to be millions of years old yet man has been on the earth since Adam for just about 6000 years according to the bible. So do we just dismiss those as forgeries and move on? No. I want to know that what i believe in is actually truth, then i can stake my life for it.

@blue, Yet you post verses of those times where there are Cities, with Priests and servants and masters and maids, with buyers and sellers, with harps etc. etc.

@red, Christians stake their life on the blood of Christ.

Christianity Etc › Re: In Genesis 1: 26, God Was Talking To Someone, Do You Know The Person ? by johnw74: 2:55am On Mar 11, 2016

The Bible say's the first man was Adam, and sin entered the world through Adam.
With Adam being the first Man, and with sin entering the World through Adam, it doesn't seem that there could have been a pre-Adamic race of people that sinned, and was destroyed by God.

1Co 15:45 And so it is written, "The first man, Adam, became a living soul," the last Adam was a life-giving Spirit.

Rom 5:12 Therefore, even as through one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed on all men inasmuch as all sinned:

Christianity Etc › Re: In Genesis 1: 26, God Was Talking To Someone, Do You Know The Person ? by johnw74: 2:41am On Mar 11, 2016*

eplanning:
Nope. I think it was a perfectly translated word.

Okay, but you are coming to that conclusion on some of the scriptures you posted, being to do with Noah's flood, the Babylonian exile,
the end of the age etc.

Christianity Etc › Re: In Genesis 1: 26, God Was Talking To Someone, Do You Know The Person ? by johnw74: 11:12pm On Mar 09, 2016

eplanning:
There is what we call the Law of Double Reference in scripture interpretation. Meaning that any major teaching of the Word must be supported by 2 or more writers.

Read:
Isaiah 24:1
Behold, the Lord maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.

As I said you may be right, some adhere to it, but Isaiah 24 is speaking off the end of the age when the earth is destroyed and a new earth comes down from heaven.

Isa 24:20 Like a drunkard the earth is staggering, staggering! And it rocks to and fro like a tree-hut! And its sins heavy on it; and it shall fall and not rise again.

The Earth does not rise again as in the end of the age when a new earth comes down from heaven.
Isa 24:20 goes against the Genesis account of the Earth being without form and void and then recreated.

Read the whole chapter and compare verses to the end of the age.

eplanning:
Jeremiah 4:23-26
I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.

25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger.

Jer 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

Zep 1:3 I will consume man and beast; I will consume the fowls of the heaven, and the fishes of the sea, and the stumblingblocks with the wicked; and I will cut off man from off the land, saith the LORD.

Again if you read the whole chapters you will see it is about God's wrath - the day of the Lord at the end of the age.

eplanning:
Read:

And did you notice God's command to Adam and Eve?
Gen 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and REPLENISH THE EARTH...

replenish

H4390

מָלָא מָלֵא
mâlê' mâlâ'
maw-lay', maw-law'
A primitive root, to fill or (intransitively) be full of, in a wide application (literally and figuratively): - accomplish, confirm, + consecrate, be at an end, be expired, be fenced, fill, fulfil, (be, become, X draw, give in, go) fully (-ly, -ly set, tale), [over-] flow, fulness, furnish, gather (selves, together), presume, replenish, satisfy, set, space, take a [hand-] full, + have wholly.
Total KJV occurrences: 251

Perhaps the translated word would have better been "fill" and not "replenish".

Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Clearly Shows That No Rapture Will Happen Now Or In Future by johnw74: 1:49am On Mar 09, 2016

Bitterleafsoup:
Why is it taking over 2,000 years? You guys have to really wake up he said clearly in my generation!

@bold, No, Jesus didn't say "in my generation" He said "this generation" speaking off the generation alive when these things happen.

Mat 24:34 Truly I say to you, This generation shall not pass until all these things are fulfilled.

Now just back up just a few verses:

Mat 24:29 And immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from the heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken.
Mat 24:30 And then the sign of the Son of Man shall appear in the heavens. And then all the tribes of the earth shall mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of the heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

This hasn't happened yet.

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