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....The Jehovah's Witnesses are discouraged from looking into Jehovah's Witness' history or old Watchtower literature which is replete with contradictions, altered doctrines, and false prophecies..... The full short article is here: https://carm.org/is-the-jehovahs-witness-religion-christian |
"No, they are not Christian." ....Like all non-Christian cults, the Jehovah's Witness' organization distorts the essential doctrines of Christianity. It denies the deity of Christ, His physical resurrection, and salvation by grace. These make it non-Christian. In addition, to support its erring doctrines, the Watchtower organization (which is the author and teacher of all official Jehovah's Witness' theology) has altered the Bible to make it agree with its changing and non-Christian teachings..... ....Additionally, the Jehovah's Witness' organization requires of its members regular weekly attendance at their "Bible Study" meetings where they are repeatedly indoctrinated with anti-Christian teachings. This is done by reading the Watchtower magazine, following along with what it says, reading the questions it asks, and reciting the answers it gives. In other words, the Watchtower Organization carefully trains its members to let the Organization do their thinking for them. For confirmation of this, please read Does the Watchtower organization control the JW's thinking?.... ....The Witnesses are told that they will be persecuted when they go door-to-door teaching their doctrines. They are further told that this is simply the enemy fighting against God's organization because they are in "the truth." So, when someone disagrees with them, they are conditioned to reflect on what the Watchtower has told them. They then feel confirmed in being in God's true organization on earth (like all cults claim)..... ....The Jehovah's Witnesses are discouraged from looking into Jehovah's Witness' history or old Watchtower literature which is replete with contradictions, altered doctrines, and false prophecies. Instead, they are indoctrinated repeatedly against basic Christian doctrines (Trinity, deity of Christ, etc.,) and into the notion that they alone are the true servants of God and that all others are either in "Christendom" or simply unbelievers..... ....It is a non-Christian cult. The full short article is here: https://carm.org/is-the-jehovahs-witness-religion-christian |
A Comparison Between Christian Doctrine And Mor on Doctrine |
Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion?The rc's and many other religious orginasiations also claim they are the only true religion or church. The true Church is those Christians who have come out of false religion, whether they belong to a church or not. "The" Church isn't a building or meeting place, it's people, it's saved Christians. |
signature: I am a god - Psalm 82:6Yes you are a god, but there are diffrent spirits: the God Spirit the human spirit the animal spirit and even a spirit of other kinds of life, eg trees grass etc. the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit is God, being of God's Spirit, you are a god being of the human spirit. A big difference in case anyone was confused Multiple humans are called "God's", plural, The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is called "God", single, they are one. Jesus was both human and God, being of the human spirit and being of God's Spirit, the Word was God. Christians can have the Holy spirit living in them, but they are not off the Holy spirit-not of God. |
777philosopher:See how sooooo dumb people talk. |
Once there was nothing at all but God, then God made Wisdom-the Word from His own Spirit, God is a Spirit, just like much later He made Eve from Adam's rib. God was now two persons, and just as Eve was made from Adam and are one flesh, the word was made from God's spirit, and are one spirit-one God. The Word, being made of God's Spirit is Eternal, just like God is Eternal, God is a spirit. The word as a person had a beginning, but as God's spirit has always existed. About two thousand years ago Jesus Christ became the third person in God, the son of God because God fathered Him, and God because He is the Word. 1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one. The Father, the Son, and the Holy spirit are one, one Spirit, one God. Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Baptizing them in the name of God. |
God is Holy: Psa_99:9 Exalt the LORD our God, and worship at his holy hill; for the LORD our God is holy. God is a Spirit: Joh_4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. = The Holy Spirit is God God, is God and the Word: Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The Holy Spirit, is God and the Word: Joh_14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and [size=14pt]we[/size] will come unto him, and make our abode with him. |
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (theos), and the Word was God (theos). The greek for God in the first instance of the verse is "theos" and the Greek for God in the second instance is "theos", however jw correctly say "God" for the first instance, and incorrectly say "a god" in the second. It is clear that John would have used another word than "theos" concerning "the Word", if he meant that "the Word" was something other than God. A few verses other than John 1:1 showing that God, the Word, Jesus Christ, is God: Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one. Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel (God with us). Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: Heb 1:11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; Heb 1:12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Hebrews 1:9 (above) shows that the Father is the God of the Word-Jesus Christ, it also shows that the Word-Jesus Christ is God, jw think because Jesus's Father is His God, that He Himself cannot be God, they don't believe so many scriptures. The verse shows God and the Word being two persons and God. jw cannot understand it, as they do not have the Holy Spirit living in them, but they should believe it instead of changing what the Bible says. Also, verse 13 shows that the Word-Jesus Christ is not an Angel. There are many verses besides these showing that God, the Word, Jesus Christ, is "God" God and David and John and Timothy and more say that God, the Word, Jesus Christ, is God, and jw org. contradicting the Bible all over, evily say no He isn't God, He is "a god" It is truly an evil thing to call "God", "a god". It's like the pharacees saying Jesus did His miracles by the power of the devil. jw is the modern day pharisee. |
777philosopher:@bold, Ha ha, I have just read those verses of Song of Solomon, as the name of the book would suggest, it is a song, a poem Solomon wrote about a black woman and her love for a King. verse 2, let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth, do you think Solomon was gay? verse 4 the King has bought me into his chamber verse 13 he shall lie all night between my breasts. You so dumb. |
^^^ demonizing jw |
aminusanti:maybe you will stop your crying now |
Almost no one uses there real name on internet forums, and even having more than one username is not uncommon. Didn't forum user paulGrundy say a couple of years ago that he uses paulGrundy username because he admires the man. But jw and jw supporters keep doing what they do best, lie and accuse. And he also has this in his favour, that like the real Paul Grundy he knows jw is false. |
aminusanti:Well you are right for once there, I will not believe the quran. |
[size=14pt]John 1:1, "The word was a god"[/size] In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. The New World Translation God was the word in GreekThis is one of the most common verses of contention between the Jehovah's Witnesses and Christians. Their false assumption is that Jesus is not God in flesh but Michael the archangel who became a man. Therefore, since they deny that Jesus is divine, they have altered the Bible in John 1:1 so that Jesus is not divine in nature. The New World Translation has added the word "a" to the verse so it says, " . . . and the Word was a god." The correct translation for this verse is "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God." This is how it is rendered in the NASB, NIV, KJV, NKJV, ASV, RSV, etc. Continue reading here: https://carm.org/religious-movements/jehovahs-witnesses/john-11-word-was-god |
aminusanti:@bold, I don't just expect you to believe and follow as I am doing, I couldn't care less what Bible haters do. |
[size=14pt]Trinity[/size] Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe that God is a Trinity and use this as indication that they alone worship truth. However, in order to support their Arian based doctrine, Watchtower inaccurately defines the Trinity, resorts to misquoting sources, and fail to acknowledge the large number of Christians that do not worship a Trinitarian God. This section does not propose to solve a 2000-year debate on the nature of God, but rather show the inaccurate statements and misleading methods the Watchtower uses to support its teaching. Watchtower claims they have the correct understanding of God, and Christendom holds a pagan view. "Christendom's unchristian doctrine of a Trinity of "God the Father and God the Son and God the Holy Ghost" will be rejected by all enlightened mankind as being a blasphemous pagan lie." Paradise restored to Mankind - By Theocracy p.388 Continue reading here: http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/trinity.php |
[size=14pt]Worship Jesus[/size] Jehovah's Witnesses worshipped Jesus until 1954, after which they were told such worship was idolatrous. This made them a polytheistic religion for most of their history. The core to religion is God, and to change the God you worship is to change the very essence and basis of the religion. Of the countless alterations in Witness doctrine, the one regarding the Worship of Jesus is most important of all. The major issues concerning the history and doctrine of the Jehovah's Witnesses are prevalent within the Watchtower doctrine of Jesus, clearly highlighting the manner in which the leaders operate. These pandemic symptoms are threefold. Significant teachings change The Watchtower misquotes its sources Current doctrines are not necessarily correct Changed Teaching on Jesus Russell taught that we should worship Jesus and the initial Watchtower Charter's specified that establishment of the Watchtower Society was to promote the worship of Jehovah and Jesus. Yet since the 1950's, worshipping Jesus became regarded as wrongful idolatry. Russell promoted the worship of Jesus and prayer to him because he is our God. Continue reading here: http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/worship-jesus.php |
Jessicha:They thought Paul was a god because he didn't die from the snake bite, that has nothing to do with "the Word" being God. Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (theos), and the Word was God (theos). The greek for God in the first instance of the verse is "theos" and the Greek for God in the second instance is "theos", however jw correctly say "God" for the first instance, and incorrectly say "a god" in the second. It is clear that John would have used another word than "theos" concerning "the Word", if he meant that "the Word" was something other than God. A few verses other than John 1:1 showing that God, the Word, Jesus Christ, is God: Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one. Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel (God with us). Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: Heb 1:11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; Heb 1:12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Hebrews 1:9 (above) shows that the Father is the God of the Word-Jesus Christ, it also shows that the Word-Jesus Christ is God, jw think because Jesus's Father is His God, that He Himself cannot be God, they don't believe so many scriptures. The verse shows God and the Word being two persons and God. jw cannot understand it, as they do not have the Holy Spirit living in them, but they should believe it instead of changing what the Bible says. Also, verse 13 shows that the Word-Jesus Christ is not an Angel. There are many verses besides these showing that God, the Word, Jesus Christ, is "God" God and David and John and Timothy and more say that God, the Word, Jesus Christ, is God, and jw org. contradicting the Bible all over, evily say no He isn't God, He is "a god" It is truly an evil thing to call "God", "a god". It's like the pharacees saying Jesus did His miracles by the power of the devil. jw is the modern day pharisee. |
aminusanti:You don't believe the Bible is why you don't understand it, at all. I'm not going to have discussion with you because you don't want help, and have a false accuser bad mouth. I may keep pointing out your wrongs though as I have done. aminusanti: |
joyandfaith:It must be a blessing to be called a jw apostate, that would mean they now have a chance to come into the Church. |
joyandfaith:@bold, Very rarely does a person change from the truth to a lie, you obviously haven't read from jwfacts, or you have read and stay with jw anyway, to suggest that Paul Grundy of jwfacts might change from his stance on jw. Read here: www.jwfacts.com to find out a little about what your org. doesn't tell you. Read here: https://carm.org/essential-doctrines-of-christianity to learn more truth. |
Jessicha:No blasphemy there, that's just another jw lie-accusation from you, to go with your lie that the Church teaches three god's. jw who change "the Word is God" to "the Word is a god" is truly among the church of satan. johnw74: |
Jessicha:God's Church never taught a doctrine of three gods nicknamed Trinity either. You sound like a supposed Jehovahs Witness, who are not, and do lie, and are among the church of satan. Have a look at yourself here: www.jwfacts.com And learn something here: https://carm.org/essential-doctrines-of-christianity |
aminusanti:You say the Bible is lies and yet you quoted it, God certinally did dash your common sense. You say we are not followers of Jesus Christ at all, but followers of Matthew Mark and John, and yet you quoted Mark and John, duh ![]() |
aminusanti:Truly, Jesus Christ is called Lord many times in the Bible. Truly, the Church does refer to three persons and not three lords. Truly, Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. You are typical false accuser, just like the devil. johnw74: and what happened to the first question? No clue?There is nothing wrong with the first verse, "the Father is greater than the I" - "the Father is greater than the Son", and there is nothing wrong with any Bible verse, I replied to a few instances of how you are wrong. |
aminusanti:And Jesus Christ is called Lord many times: Act_7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. aminusanti:Yes three persons, not three Lord's, but one Lord-God. aminusanti:Jesus is the only begotten son of God: Joh_3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. |
^^^ If you were to read from www.jwfacts.com you would see that Paul Grundy will not be changing his mind about jw. |
Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Barnes Commentary: And create evil - The parallelism here shows that this is not to be understood in the sense of all evil, but of that which is the opposite of peace and prosperity. That is, God directs judgments, disappointments, trials, and calamities; he has power to suffer the mad passions of people to rage, and to afflict nations with war; he presides over adverse as well as prosperous events. The passage does not prove that God is the author of moral evil, or sin, and such a sentiment is abhorrent to the general strain of the Bible, and to all just views of the character of a holy God. |
777philosopher:All you can do is answer things that were never said, and going on the things you say, if brains were dynamite, you wouldn't have enough to blow your hat off ![]() |
lordnicklaus:@blue, it's not a good work, "etawhay" means was, or existed as you prefer, in the first and second instance of "etawhay" you correctly interperited it as "existed" and then in the third instance of the word "etawhay" you wrongly translated it as "was a" A proper interpertation of the Aramiac verse as you posted it is: B' reshit etawhay milta w' milta etawhay l'vat Elaha w' milta etawhay Elah In beginning existed Word and Word existed alongside God and Word existed God An even easier English understanding is: in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God |
777philosopher:I don't care what color skin Job or Solomon had, I showed you where Jesus face in Heaven is white, you don't believe the verse, your problem. However it's easy to see @bold that you are racist and not a Christian. |
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You so dumb.