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Frankloon:
Not surprised with this topic, your moniker says it all.
Satanic Black Metal lover

attack his argument brother, such criticisms might be very important for a possible review and probably revolutionary change in some bizarre practices prevalent in Pentecostal christianity - criticism is not such a bad thing

JackBizzle:
Anony the big guy!!!!!!!

yes oo a very good friend of mine

JackBizzle:
I think that it is high time that we ignore kingEbukasblog's threads. We give his nonsense relevance when we respond to him.

I mean, would you waste time talking to an adult who says that the sun is square in shape?

i don't actually i am quite picky on the people i'd give time these days since my time is quite limited now..

I know few of respectable intellect that are worth my time though but for this particular thread i contributed only because i'm quite chauvinistic about the African traditional religion..

Anyway i had an offline organized debate with your old friend anony here in Enugu in October...

KingEbukasBlog:
The founder is trying to tell you that Godianism was indeed the African spirituality been practiced before Abrahamic religions came along .

but we all know its not so the founder will be fraudulent trying to imply that..

KingEbukasBlog:


You've always criticized the blackman and his Christian/Islamic beliefs . Now here is Godianism , why haven't you accepted it ?

Because the original Igbo traditional religion is older than both Christianity and this godianism that is just someone trying to rework African spirituality to look like abrahamic faith.

It gets so many things wrong about the theology and myth of the igbo religion

It's plainly ludicrous... Igbo traditional religion is deeper and more profound than this bag of crap..

MizMyColi:
So far, it's worked for me.

It's nice

KingSango:
It is you. And we are at an end. Run along troll.

..lol bro I haven't seen an argument, I'd like to take you on

MizMyColi:
Actually someone said and I quote:-

There is no truth which you will be told now that you do not already know deep within.
What anyone can do is to remind you of that which you have long forgotten.

This is me re-seeking the truth.

I

this Is platonian philosophy

How much?

LorDBolton:
After reading this crap I had to check your profile

Truly you ain't seen anything in life.

GTFOH.

BYE

you gat nothing and seen nothing... Nothing is as bad as an ill act more than blaming the victim for the actions of the wicked, it's a disturbing act and it's lots like you that give out subtle justification for such inhumane actions..

For someone who is implying to have seen more you think less..

Stop checking profiles and bring on your arguments

Business is good, nothing sells better than God even though the machandise is unseen..

Wow I gotta get into this church business thing, lotta hell lucrative

LorDBolton:
Like I said u have a ' narrow way of thinking '

I advise you to upgrade your thought process.

Compassion? Lols Ok you that knows the babe pls help me tell her 'sorry' ehn

Mtcheeew nigerians and 'Heiya mentality'

We don't know the where, how or why such cruelty befell her.

*Did u see either of us praising the perpetrators??

So what does criticising their actions, condolences & compassion online achieve?? Empathy? Ok!

Does it stop the touts, misogynists, paedophiles, sadists, necrophilist etc from being who they are??

He's given girls the golden advise, stay ur papa house & I added watch the friends you keep... the smart ones will heed, the gibbons like you will throw shade cos you haven't been caught up in a totally avoidable situation b4.

And who told u I haven't been denigraded?? Freshers who have had the badluck of renting selfcon in a hostel filled with cultist will tell u their story.

What I learnt from it? Due-diligence is golden,

Hence I appreciate his words 'Next time you go stay ya papa house' cos 'the next time I asked around b4 renting a lodge'

He offered a way to reduce cases like this, you've offered NONE! Except asking for compassion?

Upgrade your thought process!!

It's not the fault of the victim if you do something stupi_d, it's sorely the fault and responsibility of the perpetrator... You do stupi_d things because you are too stupi_d to stop yourself from doing stupi_d things not the victims fault..

Like I said if you get molested by a gay, we will blame you and ask that you stay in your father's house..

Women should do what they want anymore because of uncanny perverts who get propelled by the misplaced blame shifts by lots like you..

Tufia!!!

KingSango:
Youre confusing yourself, I've provided evidence. The ball is in your corner.

No you didn't

LorDBolton:
Oga have u 'seen' things in life?

I support the guy, sometimes u have to blame the victim's

Like MMM participants, when u advise ladies to stay home or watch friends they keep you're brushed aside as ignorant.
They do not know that badt/evil guys give the best advice.

There are lots of questions to be asked regarding this incident... people don't just start molesting babes.

Next time (unless she's a hoe/runz girl) she'll stay at home.

Nothing simpleton-like about it, it's common sense... you're the one who took the narrow view here

Damn I give up on these guys, very disturbing in uncompassionate lot... The day you probably get molested I am sure you will receive the blame and not the perpetrator of the act..

Quite a moronic way to think

BoboYekini:
Next time you go stay ya papa house.

here we go, the usual blame the victim method... I am completely awed by the simpleton-like nature of your mind]

KingSango:
The myth is not the same as the real history. The myth of Christmas is a lie. Saint Nicholas owned slaves as most Bishops and Peter was his slave. You're saying that this isn't historical? What proof do you have that disputes historical accuracy? I would love to see it.

as a matter of fact the onus is on you to provide proof of your claim not ask the person doubting it to provide negating proof... That's a logical fallacy..

Lol...

Muafrika2:
I thought it was a possibility after doing some research on in

KingEbukasBlog

I am curious to hear these researches brother... Teach me

KingEbukasBlog:
Exactly . I felt same . Its exciting to see that as a possibility .When Christ comes,the truth shall be revealed .

Lol

freethinker01:
That was like 5 or 6 years ago when Saraki was still the governor. Just imagine what that amount of money could have done in building infrastructure. Isn't it obvious enough that spirituality can and would never develop a nation. One just keep wondering when this will get better but unfortunately, it keeps getting worse.
Sighs*

We spend billions to build churches and mosques for prayers so we could go there and pray for good water and health....

virginboy1:
You see!!!
Once another party or entity has a contrary view against fanatical lots like you, you peg them as atheist/gentiles just to psychologically "guilt trap" them. SMH.
Moreover, do you know most of your so called pastors are practicing atheism in disguise, but play the pious tone so that the tithes and monetary favors will be coming in
you know in your mind,but you choose to ignore,because you made up your mind to.Sighs.

But Uncle, you haven't answered me, Since when you came into existence as a Nigerian what have Christianity/Islam done for the country.
Answer me, and stop beating around the Bush with your strawman antics.
thank you.

Nice reply but as per the bolded, it's a fallacy of ambiguity to assume you know what the other person may know or knowa

hopefulLandlord:
SHOW ME A COUNTRY...

Show me a country that respects its Pastors, Imams, and Rabbis more than it respects its Farmers, Teachers, and Scientists, and I will show you a doomed country that will forever be the laughing stock of the world.

Tell me the name of the country that puts bible above brain, faith above facts, prayer above proof, churches over schools, rapture above reason, invisible gods over visible goodness, life after death above life before death, tithing above thinking.

Tell me the name of that country and I will tell you the name of a country whose children will grow up to be children---mental cripples.

Does that describe your country?

Credit:Joseph1013

I know of such a country

freethinker01:
Nicely written john... This reminds me of a mosque in Ilorin that was built with over #3bn (the people's Commonwealth). The first question that came to my
mind that day was, does this building generate revenue for the government? It's just disappointing and depressing for me whenever I hear this kind of news.

imagine what 3billion could have done for the people...

It could build a world standard hospital, school, water and better housing for many..

We attach a weird importance to spirituality that it has become our bane, our set back towards becoming better and a wool covering our ability to reason

Immorttal:
make i grab seat, Johnydon with another well researched masterpiece

lol any contribution bro?

Omudia11:
It has everything to do with your person. This was scripted by you so I can address you if I so please.

Doesn't it bother you that nearly all of your contributions on Nairaland are against an "inexistent" being? Your whole life is centered on attacking the same inexistent being. Why the obsession?

#sighs....

Omudia11:
You wrote it. No?

lol... Yet it has nothing to do with my person.. What I do is not the subject but the argument of the post..

So if you have something to offer, take on the argument and not the person..

Ad hominems are always sign of lack of argument brother... Be good

Omudia11:
The bane of the poor that gives you sleepless nights.

Address the post not me

Cc. Lalasticlala seun sinaj torphaz freecocoa

kevoh:
This is the part that irks me the most. I work in the aviation sector and every year, most especially towards the later part of a year, I get to see huge number of pilgrims being airlifted to either Jerusalem or Mecca. Each state brings its sponsored pilgrims in buses for like a day or two through out this duration. These are the people the country subsidizes dollars for, to go and spend in hotels, restaurants and see Abrahamic religious places and past events. Their host countries smile to the bank (Saudi most especially)and economy boosted with the influx of dollars brought in and spent by these pilgrims daily while Nigeria is left with worthless religious memorabilia brought in by Pilgrims with the subsidized dollars like vials of Jerusalem sand that Jesus supposedly walked on. I am not an economist,so pardon my ignorance, of what use is a few grains of Jerusalem sand to Nigeria?

None

Many here know me as an atheist and so may probably mistake this write up as a typical atheistic attack on the religious enterprise and in so doing divert the message of this work due to sentimental reasons harbored towards the messenger, I plead this may not be so..
The tone and points of this article should be the subject of interest to the reader not my person, this is a message inspired from my society, the world of the poor sadly the world of the foolish.

In every corner of the country there is a soulful Christian crying out fervently to the heavens for favors, a profound Muslim bowing to the ground In homage to the heaven sincerely praying for a better world, there is a sincere hope in these supplications, a lingering opium for a wanting mind.

The Nigerian society is an intricate chain of problems met unfortunately with an incessant web of blames. In every level, point or societal ladder of our world, the Nigerian world, the African world, the global community in a broad sense it is always an incessant sometimes ludicrous chain of blame shifts.

Rape victims are blamed for their ordeal while the men are excused with the idiotic notion of being seduced by their clothing or subtle hints, child molesters blame devils for the actions directly as a result of their own volition, the government is blaming past administrations and the masses for their own bumbling ineptitude and the people blame the government for their every predicament even self inflicted ones – its an endless chain of causalities giving rise to needless blames most times as a result of complete idiocy.

For this work I am going to focus on the masses aspect of this unending misplacement of priority and with this I am going to address the overly spirituality of the average poor man out there since it makes up not only a vital but an inexcusable cause of our societal structure – The masses are both poor and stupid indeed .


Religious pilgrimage subsidy

The country subsidized dollars for pilgrims heading for the hajj at an unprecedented huge bite on the country’s coffers.
Religious pilgrimage just like tourism can be satisfying, beautiful and enlightening in many ways but just like tourism is a personal matter and not a matter deserving national importance at least not to the extent of being in our financial burden.

This is a country where there is hardly enough dollars for the business enterprise, the government is unforgiving to the business world in terms of forex policies not to talk of subsidizing dollar at an affordable rate to ease the pain of Nigerian business which as we know can directly or indirectly affect generally the Nigerian economy, but no we would rather import spirituality and in so doing keep enriching another nation.

The forex policies which are cruel on even the Nigerian students studying overseas are diluted for those going to pray in a special house of god that cannot be found elsewhere. God somehow require a special visit to a special place in a special house for a special prayer just to feel better towards us, there is no scam ever more clearer than that.

Our athletes are underpaid if they are even paid at all but we have enough to hire prayer warriors for state and national prayers.

Our dependency on spiritualism has proven to be a leash on the neck of the society, our inability to judge from a realistic and objective sense but would rather rely more on things unseen, vague and shadowy practises, faith and undiluted spiritualism that has not produced desired result since we first started relying on it.


Sell and buy god
Our spiritual reliance is so unfortunate that it deserves pity, it’s a societal can of worms that needs to be checked or it will walk hand in hand with our doom.

The enterprise of ‘’god selling’’ is the most booming business in the Nigerian setting, a venture so lucrative that it comes even with it’s own illegitimate immunity in our judicial sphere.

For a platter of shouty promises buttered in the ever thunderous amen of the ever hopeful people, tithes and offerings overflow enriching not the pockets of god but the man who merchandise god.

There is hardly money for food but there will always be money for the church who rake in millions on weekly bases all mined from the bloody sweat of the poor lot.

Less work, more prayer

Xun zi of china [312 – 230bc] once remarked
‘’pray all you want the heaven cant hear you, its not going to stop the winter because you are cold and its not going to make the earth smaller cus you don’t want to walk so far.

You may pray for rain and it rains but this has nothing to do with your prayers, sometimes you don’t pray and it rains anyway.
If you act wisely good things tend to happen, act foolishly and bad things tend to follow, don’t thank or curse heaven- its just the natural effects of your action.

If you want to have a better life educate yourself an d think carefully about the consequences of your own actions.’

If there is a thing Johannine theology taught me it is that a full profession of faith or conviction must be accompanied with a likewise action.
James 2:26 ‘’faith without works is dead’’ forms a good part of catholic teachings and this implies if you pray for the hungry, feed them and take your work as your faith in action.

But there is a contradiction in this idea championed in the very fabrics of Pauline theology which relegates works and upholds more faith – this line of thought I think is prevalent in the Nigerian spiritual setting.

We tend to rely more on vague hopes and faithful expectations of help from the heavens instead of banking more on our own abilities to AFFECT the changes we seek.

A student would read less and pray more for an exam, strange illness are met with more prayers than with suitable medications or a nudge towards medical research.

This is a disturbing practice prevalent in our psychological compass, we tend to float more prayers than works and this explains why we are easy prey for the wise to extort in name of God.

The everybody but me mindset
The average Nigerian will blame everybody or everything else for our predicaments especially the ever popular spiritual forces – God, Gods, devils, demons, witches, uncles in the village but never ourselves for even effects that are so clearly as a result of our own actions.

I can never trust someone who blames something else for his life, never trust someone who do not or cannot take responsibility for their own circumstances.

It is always the devil’s handiwork, it is always the fault of those witches in the compound or office or the fault of that weird looking uncle in the village who didn’t reply my greetings.

It is never our fault – this reliance on superstition to channel blames for our own circumstances limits our potentials cus it makes the person the victim of his circumstance not master over it who has the ability to change what he can.

This always leads us into the futile attempts and wild goose chase of securing spiritual remedies for our circumstances; I wonder why we are not living a utopia right now if this somehow works.

Misplaced priorities, ill placed blames
There is a certain observation that is very obvious and clear even to the blind, I listen to ‘’Amen’ by fela and his message not only was valid, still is valid and if care is not taken will always be concerning the particular issue of simplistic practice of spirituality.

If you go to any community in this country, no matter how poor, backward or small there almost certainly will be a church or mosque in these communities, edifices amounting to millions of naira and sometimes mega auditoriums all dedicated to spiritual purposes amounting to billions.
But one look around the community surrounding these churches or mosques is enough to make you weep. In the deep rural areas of kogi most cement block buildings are mosques the people make do with mud walls.

We spend millions, billions in building houses for the god, neglecting our own human needs, the funds are raised from the collective pain staking efforts of these masses. We pray to God for help, we blame the government when help doesn’t come and we still go back to get robbed in the name of god.

Here is a question we should all mull over.

‘’is the well beings of humans more important to God than magnificent houses in it’s/his/her name?’’

it all depends on what your answer is.

If ‘’yes’’ then isn’t it appealing to logic that god would rather have us channel this collective communal funds from our very sweat and blood towards projects gunned towards our own well being and betterment.


Why should we spend billions for a building when we have no good or consistent water supply, when our roads are death traps, when our school intellectually murders our kids, when our hospitals are morgues in disguise due to lack of equipment.

Simply put we have a misplaced priority cantered on the very fact that we are too ludicrously dependent on spiritualism.

We spend millions to build a place of prayer so we could go and pray for water..

We blame the government even for basic things we could collectively achieve for ourselves, we lay our hope in the heavens and our expectations in the government all the while the power to change things are forever under our nose but the spiritual caused ill placed priorities will never let us see them or utilized them – ensuring an ever growing spiritual enterprise is ever more important to us than anything else.
We are indeed a silly lot.

Let it not be mistaken that I am in entirety condemning spirituality, not at all. It can be edifying and satisfying in some sense but our overly dependency on spirituality at the expense of our reason has cost us more than we should afford.

This is not a call to condemn but a call to reason, a call to work more and a call to not depend on the heavens to do for us what we could have easily done for ourselves.

A mere glance at the events all over the world there is no telling how unclear the so called powers of god and devils, we must not only minimize our faith in help from the heavens but look towards ourselves for our own salvation.

In the long run the power to save or mar ourselves rest sorely with us.

Martinez19:
I remember our argument on a particular thread with donffd and Co. you could surely bet I was a christian(unlike what KingEbukasBlog is saying) but this christianity is getting suspicious, it has not lived up to expectations. It seems to be mental slavery with a cunning manipulation of false hope and fakes promises to deceive and control people.

Lol... Well just keep true to yourself

Martinez19:
how far nah? long time.

I am good, being hell lotta busy