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now imagine this, they sell you anointing water for protection, they give you psalms for security and they give you fastings but then they use real security guards with big guns - ask yourself, do they really believe what they preach

These guys should for goodness sake leave this man alone, he hasn't done anything wrong demanding self-defense.. self-defense is a damn right. this is a typical case of "Your house is burning and you are busy chasing rats"

I know a bit of the Igbo traditional beliefs

annunaki2:
When you show pure christian teachings from christ himself that justifies beating the alleged witch, we will start taking your bigotry seriously.

Go play with your mates. I dont have time to waste on you.

There are two types of thinkers - intuitive thinkers and analytical thinkers - intuitive thinking deals more with emotional part of human thinking while analytical deals more with cold clear cut analysis rather than emotions.

Many atheist tend to be analytical thinkers but many still aren't.

Being an atheist doesn't make anyone more intelligent than others anymore than being theistic makes you less so.

Having an open receptive mind towards learning, curiosity and thirst to know is the key towards becoming better intellectually

jcross19:
I saw the post on the forum and am saying it now that any person can do that or bear christian name that does not make him, her or them a christian basic. A good christian will know that we are not wrestling against the flesh so!!!!. There is flaw in every religion on earth but for christianity rascarlity is not the dent . In india from 1993 to 2013, 10million young ladies have been killed for witchery and no atheist have seen or talked about it it. You can google it yourself sir.

this is called the true scots man fallacy... Trying to redefine the meaning of a christian when stumped...

https://www.nairaland.com/3594638/elderly-woman-accused-witchcraft-beaten

sometime i am ashamed of being in the same country with folks like these

jcross19:
you too bring an evidence that prove that radical christians wrecking havoc in the community.

here is an appetizer https://www.nairaland.com/3594638/elderly-woman-accused-witchcraft-beaten

hopefulLandlord:
it seems you don't understand deeply my reasons for suspending judgement

I suspend judgements till I study wide enough on something and not just "scratch the surface with Google and make your conclusion" kinda thing most Nairaland theists and atheists seems to engage and encourage

so far that's my stance BUT it may change as I study it more deeply, I have lots of PDF files on it on my iPad and have read a lot but not - on a personal level - enough to make my final stance and to buttress my point further i recommended a book for you showing i study wide and not narrow

I'm now gone past the time I try to argue to Win, I now argue to learn although its still more fun arguing to win and I still engage in it but I've derived some level of emotional maturity since I ignored winning for learning

I hope I'm clear enough

you are growing up

mojeer678:
What's epic about a regurgitated narrative full of errors and plain untruths.

What manned mission went to the moon? How NASA mooned the US has been dealt with on NL several times. Maybe you're only a nwebie, sorry then

FYI, the moon was towed here from elsewhere and it's completely hollow, et.c.

But what would you do with these info?

smh

dont make your points which so much condescension, i am interested in this theory of yours - please tell me more.

Ubenedictus:
Thank u for avoiding banter, that is d next step to bashing.

thank you too my brother, insults are not argument and only some who have no argument or lack the intellectual requirements needed for a healthy discussion would resort to insults - that's why they have turned the religious board into a place of personal emotional warfares, insults and serious comtempt and animosity towards each other. [theist vs atheist saga] i do believe the diversity in our ideas should be a ground for a sound intellectual discussion and debate not enmity.

the question is where does d violence come from? human nature or religious teaching?

due to our possession of the ancient brain part called the R-complex, we are territorial and aggressive beings but the simplicity of our psychology was altered by our possession of the Celebral cortex which gives us a much intricate neurological ability.

so our psychology can be shaped by many things other than our inherent nature, i think religious teaching is one of the human enterprise which a humongous ability to shape our mind due to the fact that it touches the most emotional part of our being.

so i think religious teachings can be pointed as the culprit here but as analytical beings i'd expect people to think beyond what they are taught.

Ubenedictus:
Actually if both religion says the leaders should be imitated then their lives are important. belief inform action. If u re taught killin is beautiful then u probably wil enjoy it

you are right but yet we should still judge people by their actions or do you think otherwise?

and i don not think really that every religion is entirely bad, i think just as politics religion has just being abused, overused.

oshdamee:
come to thin of it, do u think he used all? na he can't... he just die

hahahaha you are probably right but concubines really? give it to the guy, he had some serious thug guts bro... he's the man.

let's stop blowing this stuff up too much, this man has a very solid argument - nobody should just fold your arms and watch people have your head on a platter.

Self-defence is a right. he has not said anything wrong or misplaced because nobody can deny how dangerous the Fulani herdsmen menace is...

telling people to defend themselves is not exactly same as inciting violence - shame on people who attack the man while they should be attacking the perpetrators of violent attacks

oshdamee:
Not at all, just teasing you bro

but still i should have same chance as solomon huh which means i would still be saved... so you see why i chose the 1000 p*ssies

oshdamee:
its 50/50
God might not quickly intervene in your case

oshdamee:
Our God is true and fair to all
He is also Unquestionable.

but your last reply to me suggests otherwise isn't that weird?

shouldn't i be given same fair ground as solomon?

oshdamee:
its 50/50
God might not quickly intervene in your case

doesn't that make God unfair, unjust and have an uncouth preference towards some humans and not the other. Shouldn't an all good God be above such inequitable favoritism.

oshdamee:
to my point of view, he was but he nearly lost it

ok then so which means i also have a chance just like him if i am judged based on the same fairground or preferential jurisdiction.

oshdamee:
hnm...at the expense of your salvation? Oga abeg o[i]

tell me, was solomon saved or not?

oshdamee:
my brother... i hope you can withstand what his access to *P, brought him? the fall and worshipping idols?

anything for the P and cash.

i will like to be Solomon - though none of his actions portrayed an exceptional wisdom [some were silly really] but hey who wouldn't like to have as much access as the guy had to pvssies

When something worth protesting happens and you would expect Muslims to protest - none of them ever will. take for instance the incessant killing by Extreme Islamic terrorist groups like BH, ISIL and others, the murder of Charley Hebdo and countless others. no Muslim was seen in the street demonstrating their strong disapproval of such actions.

but when a cartoon of Muhammed was Drawn, even muslims in Nigeria protested such trivial matter as drawing a cartoon of a long dead man..

The rightly placed fear people feel for Islam and Muslims is very well placed since no muslim has demonstrated that they don't secretly support the actions of the Jihadists.

so forgive us when we feel fearful near you, you have not given us any reason to feel otherwise.

MrMontella:
this is nonsense...

Ive seen muslims on this forum pick out verses in the quran by muhammed himself...condemning terroristic acts..

And your statement about jesus would be arguable.....had it been the christian bible had only the four gospels..

i admire some of the philosophies of the character Jesus as seen in the synoptic gospels, it is also undeniable that there are also within the words attributed to Muhammed in the Quran really profound words of decent wisdom - even though i disagree with their beliefs some of which i find lunatic.

but we are not here to judge their characters, it was a weak clutch at digression... the actions of a lot forms the major basis of their image not what they feel they believe.

beliefs makes nobody good or bad, actions does. so calling on us to point at the scripture for charges of violence for Christians was a very absurd reply, i dont understand if that was meant as an excuse that Christians dont also met out aggressive violent actions at others or was it meant to serve as a denial?

annunaki2:
When you start butressing your vacant claims with scriptures were Jesus instructed or preached terrorism the same way mohammed routinely and severally preached, instigated and instructed terrorism in the quoran then you will begin to make sense. Jesus went as far as telling his followers to love their enemies and do good to people that hate them. So it's outrageously ridiculous you start comparing a religion founded by such a person with that founded by a vile vermin like mohammed. Even if there are pockets of violence associated with Christianity in history, it is crystal clear that the perpetrators of the violence are not following christian teachings unlike the case of Islam were violence is a core doctrine and attribute of it's founder.

i am not here to start quoting the scriptures with you, i am here to condemn acts of terrorism both religions has poured on the world due to the 'dominate the world' ideology both possess.

i judge a person based on their action not what your scripture says because i am sure none of you holds to 40% of what the scriptures says.

Jesus and Muhammed are two different dead indviduals, i am not here to argue which of them is better than the other rather i am here to castigate the actions of their so-called followers whose actions certainly affects even me.

annunaki2:
Your deranged eagerness to always baselessly drag Christianity into issues of Islamic extremism is really nauseating. You really need to receive sense.

I will not bring myself as low as banter words with you, I have spoken my truth the best you can do is counter it with facts if you can - unless you can't so you resort to insulting.

radical Christianity has been as aggressive as radical Islam and you cannot dispute that, therefore I see no reason why you cannot present your arguments without being spiteful and resorting to insults - I do not know you so surely do not feel the need to start exchanging personal remarks and insults with you.

next time, bring your arguments, not your insults, we understand you know how to indulge in hateful insulting emotional banters but some of us are above the puerile level.

Adminisher:
I am still celebrating the departure of GEJ.
Jonathan is not supposed to be leader of anything.
He might be nice as a person but pleeaase the man who made him VP did it for qualities that are not presidential.
Young Nigerians should stop deceiving themselves , you need to think of yourselves and your children's future when voting a leader. And please if they make you a leader of anything...Please sit up and display good integrity.
A leader is not a doctor , nurse or priest. He is a decision maker, an executive . Jonathan is a NO NO, sorry

i am pretty sure you did have the interest if the bolded in mind when you voted Buhari or did you?

Ubenedictus:
actually i have also heard of hindu violence amongst others, it seems it isn't restricted to abrahamism.

there is a certain magnitude of aggressiveness that only abrahamism possess and this makes it a global issue in terms that it covers more ground than any other - like i said above there is no religion that can match up to Abrahamic religions in terms of aggressiveness and violence world wide even in antiquity - arguable?

But as i said in the op, the thread has little to do with looking at manifestations of violence, it is to investigate if that violence is taught and a part of dat religion (islam).

there are varying doctrines of islam just as you can affirm to the varying doctrines found in christian and all these doctrines can be substantiated by intrinsic parts of the scriptures both bible and quran - so yes there may be very violent charges in many islamic doctrines that derive basis from the quran.

the more you guys ignore the dude above, the better for all of us. i mean you lot cant continue to make someone talk so much gibberish and think it deserves a reply. common!!!

i wrote about this in 2015, Nigerians will regret they never let Goodluck go and people thought i was crazy even hahn my good friend..... here we go hahn

https://www.nairaland.com/2751546/nigeria-wish-never-let-goodluck

Culin:
wow! educative..and scary

there is something ominously scary about nature herself

there is something inherently aggressive in Abrahamism and that is the raging lust and need for world domination. take a look at the world you hardly hear other religions encroaching into other people's space to preach their beliefs. that is an exclusive characteristic of Christianity and Islam and this is because they both equally share that lust to dominate.
they both feel it is their divine right and command to take their religion and belief to all over the earth which has always made them aggressive towards other beliefs and religion.
no other religion can boast of the equal amount of violence and blood as Christianity and Islam, they both have no equal in this regard...

Origin:
Modified- Don't think its true given the dates.

The truth of the matter though is man is constantly fighting a battle against his inner devil.

No man can be perfect. Number 1 had me laughing hard, it must have really pained the man.

It's true though