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Alfamann:
The show you watched was not meant for intelligent people.

Surely, i wonder how people can also watch T.B Joshua circus shows with a straight face

Logicbwoy:
Bros, I am not joking- you should be a lecturer.

I swear, you would be a blessing to the current indomie generation that are learning rubbish from a failed education system.


We have a resident (final year) student doctor here on nairaland that refuses to believe in evolution

One thing about science is that it does not aim at establishing immutable dogmas but rather through consistent studies reaches truthful approximations without at any point claiming absolute truth has been reached always open to doubt and scepticism to improve the quality of truth.

Science is driven by doubt as long as it is for the right reasons, enquiry and out of intellectual honesty, that fuels study that increase the quality of truth.

But if this doubt is fueled by 'personal belief systems and gut feelings' then such doubt is not only misplaced but nonsensical.

and has clearly stated that he would rather allow his wife to die in childbirth than to abort a problematic pregnancy ( a pregnancy that would kill both mother and child if it comes to full term).

This is absurd if you ask me, i do not advocate for abortion not in least, but the case above is a reasonable excuse..

Logicbwoy:
Being all-powerful, all-good, all knowing are all problematic abilities since they all contain logical paradoxes.


An all powerful, personal God is a half baked philosophical idea.

So true but i'd rather term it a Theological idea. . . .

-Philosophy though proposes problems mostly leaves them open to diverse approach.

-Theology on the other hand approaches a question not with the aim of satisfying the question truthfully but rather satisfying the questioner therefore thinks less of what is true but rather what feels good.
this is why theology is the parent of faith based belief, myths and most superstitions

-Science approaches a question objectively aimed at satisfying the question itself uncaring what feels good to the questioner, objective facts are not opinions.

Logicbwoy:
I see.

But a "warp machine" would be dangerous. Imagine being near when space/matter/time are being folded for the warp jump.

It will happen in space so we possibly can't be there to witness the danger, the people inside will be perfectly safe though

Because there was Usman Dan fodio expedition down south...

Logicbwoy:
Ah, my favourite paradox!

There is also the "omniscient paradox"


Religious people believe that God knows everything. If God knows everything, then he cant forget because he always knows everything. However, if he can't forget, then he can't truly know the experience of forgetting something.

Therefore doesn't know everything and bang!!! Omniscience shattered

Logicbwoy:
How is a warp drive different? Are you not still going to go fast with it?

Warp drive more or less is not really moving at all. . . It entails bending of space/time that the fabrics of space/time becomes shrunk in front of the space ship.

E.g using a rubber sheet, you want to travel from Point A to point B. . instead of travelling straight, you shrink the sheet to an extent that the point you want to travel is directly in front then when outstretched you are now at that desired point.

Instead of travelling through space/time, warp drives brings space/time to us.. Crazy right?

Space travels faster than light, so the ship doesn't really need to move space transport it rather

Yeah but it is theoretically plausible and i've seen videos of NASA scientists remarking about NASA working on such a project..

Still a subject of Sci- fi but literally everything we have now should be Sci-fi 2,000 years ago

Annunaki:
So what did the quoran say reward for men is?

here are the Quranic verses.

(QURAN 37:40-4 : "In the Gardens of Paradise,
Facing one another on thrones, Round them will
be passed a cup of pure wine; White, delicious
to the drinkers, Neither they will have any kind
of hurt, abdominal pain, headache, or sin, nor
will they suffer intoxication from it. And with
them will be chaste females, restraining their
glances, with wide and beautiful eyes."

(QURAN 44:51-55): "Verily! The righteous will
be in Paradise. Among Gardens and Springs;
Dressed in fine silk and also in thick silk, facing
each other, and We shall marry them to Houris
with wide, lovely eyes."

(QURAN 52: 17-20): "Verily, for those who fear
Allah there will be Gardens in Paradise, filled
with Delight. Enjoying in that which their Lord
has bestowed on them, and the fact that their
Lord saved them from the torment of the
blazing Fire. The Lord will say: ‘Eat and drink
with happiness because of what you used to
do’. They will recline with ease on thrones
arranged in ranks. And We shall marry them to
Houris with wide lovely eyes."

(QURAN 55:54-59):
"Reclining upon the
couches lined with silk brocade, and the fruits of
the Gardens will be near at hand. Then which of
the Blessings of your Lord will you deny?
Wherein will be those houris, restraining their
glances upon their husbands, whom no man or
jinn has opened their hymens with sexual
intercourse before. Then which of the Blessings
of your Lord will you deny? In beauty they are
like rubies and coral. Then which of the
Blessings of your Lord will you deny?"

(QURAN 55:70-77):
"Therein gardens will be
fair wives good and beautiful; Then which of the
Blessings of your Lord will you deny? Houris
restrained in pavilions; Then which of the
Blessings of your Lord will you deny? Whom no
man has opened their hymens with sexual
intercourse before. Then which of the Blessings
of your Lord will you deny? Reclining on green
cushions and rich beautiful mattresses. Then
which of the Blessings of your Lord will you
deny?"

(QURAN 56:37-40): "...We created the houris
and made them virgins, loving companions for
those on the right hand…."

(QURAN 78:31-34): "As for the righteous, they
shall surely triumph. Theirs shall be gardens
and vineyards, and high-bosomed virgins for
companions : a truly overflowing cup."

From the Quranic verses above, yes the Quran did mention of virgin beautiful busty wives for the muslim faithfuls in Paradise and also over flowing supply of wine.

but it did not mention the number of wives, that was explicitly mentioned rather in the hadiths

" The specific Hadith in which the number of
virgins is specified is Hadith Al-Tirmidhi in the
Book of Sunah (volume IV, chapters on The
Features of Paradise as described by the
Messenger of Allah, chapter 21, About the
Smallest Reward for the People of Paradise. The
same hadith is also quoted by Ibn Kathir in his
Quranic commentary (Tafsir) of Surah Al-
Rahman:

"The Prophet Muhammad was heard saying:
'The smallest reward for the people of paradise
is an abode where there are 80,000 servants
and 72 wives, over which stands a dome
decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as
wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyah to Sana'a

Surely the Islam paradises explicitly promises a good supply of womanliness in paradise with over flowing booze, that buttresses the worse form of greed as they gullibly fall for the promise of pussyy in afterlife.

God is only planning a huge orgy of busty wives and perverted husbands, all living in eternal sexual bliss forever.

this reveals the imaginations of a man who really loves sex so much that he assumes up an everlasting one in his greed never to part with sex. . Explains the sexual perversion of the muslim world.

Ironically hilarious is their hypocritic abstinence from wine because they are fantasizing an endless supply of it after they are dead.

Everlasting pusssy sounds absurd and boring but not as boring as everlasting waving of palm fronds.

All concepts of paradise are selfish, greedy assumptions that assumes up a meaningless infinite existence because of their inability to accept death.

kolawaxxy:
I've been agnostic for over a year now, no thanks to you, plaetton, amanfrommars and co. Ignorance is truly bliss

I really have nothing against beliefs but i always maintain ' Anything that can be destroyed by the truth deserves to be destroyed.'

Let us throw away the whole notion of belief and try to find things out...

It is that irrational practice of putting "belief" ahead of truth that nearly threw the human society into a perpetual primitive state of myth peddling and superstition.

BodyKiss:
Yawn, like god didn't know that already.

You christians always claim that god doesn't care if you worship him or not, but your behaviours always say otherwise.

It is mostly like God is an insecure childish egoistic whimp that needs to be reminded everyday 'just how great he is' fed every day with worship or it get pissed off.

that's like abject narcissism and chronic egoism.

Anything perfect does not need anything, not your belief, not your worship, not your praise because it is perfect and these things are irrelevant to it.

So if there is a perfect god somewhere all worships and praises and all these enthusiastic piety are all useless.

Unless of course god is a kind of imperfect egoistic freak that is always looking for worship..

Most theistic religions paint a picture of very childish worship begging god(s) that is a very small concept

It is outrightly absurd how something big enough to allegedly create the cosmos literally out of nothing, comes to a tiny planet amongst countless planets and starts mongering for worship from tiny almost irrelevant organisms that inhabit this planet.

Considering the very depth and vastness of the cosmos that the earth seem trillions of times smaller than an atom in relation to the size of the cosmos but yet there goes ideas of god(s) supposedly superior to man and bigger than the universe worrying over worship from tiny humans in a planet smaller than atom in a huge cosmos.

these Gods are outrightly too small for the cosmos, all emanating from the limited small minds of naive primitive seekers.

The human mind can believe an outright absurdity so confidently that it becomes true in the mind of the believer.

kolawaxxy:
All thanks to nairaland. I don't know what to believe anymore

Hahahahaha you better do my brother. . . Calm down and have a grasp of your reason, make sure your beliefs always are in coincide with your own reason!

Don't let it all weigh you down

Please who are they going to flog with that long stick?

Logicbwoy lets have some fun with this beautiful paradox, apologies to the religious folks who might find it hard to swallow.

The paradox of omnipotence.

Can something omnipotent create something that it cannot lift?

-If it cannot then it is not omnipotent

-if it can then by virtue of it's inability to lift it, it is still not omnipotent...

Crazy right?

Reveals the outright inconsistency in such meaningless attributes of an infinite ability

Sarassin:
Count me in.

You sure are in my bro

^^^ Guys for the interest of keeping the thread sane and not derail, please ignore and lets move on.

Dankol continue

LoJ:
There is a similar one I just read today, by Sarassin. It's called, The falsehoods of Paul.

Very nice read. I enjoyed it. Sarassin is quite an erudite. Both in normative science and most interestingly in initiatic sciences. I only regret he never gets deeply enough (for my liking). I guess it's because it's a public forum.

Yes i quite enjoy sarassin's threads a lot and he is very knowledgeable in history too.

You've heard of my plans to organize a discussion forum for irreligious minds? i think diverse and eloquent minds like that of sarassin will make it something of good intellectual horn locking and a gold mine of educative discussions.

Old thread but an interesting one by the way deserving a comprehensive discussion

Dyt:
One of the sections I don't come to But OP brought me here and I aired my opinion as human not as a Muslim sister
It's no need starting to exchange words Catwalks outta thread whistling

lol... ok

Dyt:
The answer is right in my post
If you are as intelligent as you seem

this was your answer " And to your question
Be you Muslim or Christian or atheist
You shall be judged according to your deeds"

I believe you are far more intelligent than i am but i do not really need to be as intelligent as you are to know the above answer doesn't answer the question.

The above bolded answer of yours is best suitable if the question was "On what criteria will people be judged to enter the paradise"

but contrary to that the question was rather "Since Muslim men get wives and wine in heaven as a reward for a well lived life, what will the women get?

Godmother:
Before I start this thread lemme state categorically that I'm asking this question not to cause any religious war, but out of the genuine curiosity of my heart. So if you have plans to come here and throw a mocking line pls stay off.

So...my question goes

If muslim men are promised 72 virgins when they get to paradise, what do women get? In life, the thought of rewards for an action done can make you put your very best into any endeavors. So what do women get?

Pls my muslim brothers and sisters, would really appreciate you taking a little time to enlighten me.

It is obvious you are never gonna get an answer to this from what i am seeing here...

they are kind of dodging the question.

Dyt:
Have you sorted your own self?
Why long Drinking to another

Face your own for everyone will account individually

Aproko looking for ways to start bigotry

Fi ti e sho ti e


And to your question
Be you Muslim or Christian or atheist
You shall be judged according to your deeds

Please sir this still isn't the answer to the OP.. here is the OP.. is this how you answer questions?

Godmother:
Before I start this thread lemme state categorically that I'm asking this question not to cause any religious war, but out of the genuine curiosity of my heart. So if you have plans to come here and throw a mocking line pls stay off.

So...my question goes

If muslim men are promised 72 virgins when they get to paradise, what do women get? In life, the thought of rewards for an action done can make you put your very best into any endeavors. So what do women get?

Pls my muslim brothers and sisters, would really appreciate you taking a little time to enlighten me.

I once watched a healing service where the man of God healed a man blind from birth..

then pointed his handkerchief at the man and asked him to identify the colour and he answered blue which was correct.

I was like WTF

"How can someone who was blind from birth, never saw anything until now recognize anything when he sees it. . . that's like a huge fat LIE.

dude never saw blue before, how in the world did he recognize blue at first sight? "

i concluded the pastor should fire his show manager and hire me instead cus he won't make such silly mistakes if i was in charge of the circus show.

Dyt:
Your depth of knowledge is so shallow
Hian

As an individual
You I mean
What are you promised?

Its high time we stop these religious bigotry and think of yourself

Alright my good sir with deep knowledge, i apologize for the shallow display of knowledge but sir here is the question of the OP.

what are muslim WOMEN promised to get in paradise?

You may do well to answer our curious minds sir

Logicbwoy:
I replied your comment too early!

Anyhoo, have you wondered the possibilities if we could create those micro-wormholes here on earth?

Do you watch the flash tv series? The flash ran so fast that he travelled through time and another time, he entered an alternate earth.

It is fiction but if you think about it, if you run faster than the speed of light, you are technically disappearing. Can one run faster than time and space itself?


Sorry, I did not study science- I'm a business student and so, I might not use the correct physics terminology.

I do not doubt the possibility of anything though i can point out why speed of light travel is almost elusive to us.

Special relativity shows that speed of light is the upper limit to the relative motion of matter.

Einstein's relativity theory E=MC²

this shows the relativity of mass and energy (C) is a constant 'the speed of light'.

so from that equation, the faster a body goes the more mass it bears and the more energy needed for propulsion.

So if a body runs at the speed of light, it's mass will be almost at infinite and therefore the energy needed will be E² more like infiniti²..

So is nearly impossible to achieve.

If a particle possess mass then it cannot exceed the speed of light but if it doesn't then it is possible.

Yeah running at the speed of light is more or less like disappearing pooooooof!!!

I think Warp drives could be more feasible than aiming for the speed of light

Logicbwoy:
But no one has been through a wormhole.

I think they should try and send something through a wormhole. That would be interesting.


However, I believe that we would find aliens if we travel far enough into the galaxy

From the theory of relativity that predicted Wormholes, Wormholes are more or less like a blackhole only this time with a spinning singularity that wraps space/time around it creating a tunnel of warped space/time.

We have never observed a wormhole in this macro-universe, we have only observed the existence of blackholes.

But even if we do, we still have a lot of distances to cover to get to them since light years are quite huge to us.

Though wormholes has been observed in the micro-stage, Michio Kaku (a theoretical physicist) thinks it is possible to capture micro-wormholes and enlarge/stabilize them in a macro-level.

that may be the closest shot we have at that

Saw this on the front page a boy who accuses his mother of witchcraft and murdered her.

https://www.nairaland.com/3084658/17-year-old-boy-kills-mother-benue

Logicbwoy:
You must be a physicist!

Anyhoo, I see your point now. I was not truly looking at it from a mathematical perspective.

But have you seen the movie "Interstellar"?

Yeah i have . . . Quite an interesting one, gives a bit of an insight on the future of space travels.

But i think we'd be using Warp drive instead or laser beam propulsions (already in existence).

since we don't actually think wormholes exist in the macro-level (fingers still crossed on that)..

Michio once said: They are looking for ways to capture a micro-wormhole from a quantum field and enlarge it to a micro-scale and achieve stability.

calliope:
I don't....... But I believe in the mind and superbeings

alright . . .

Godmother:
Thank you o cos when I saw her post I wondered too.

Someone asked "what will women get in muslim paradise" then muslim women came and instead of addressing the question started singing.

"i am a muslim, pure in heart worship the creator not a terrorist"

who dah Bleep asked you that?

Like seriously those posts pissed me off big time... Simple question and they go pull out irrelevant mesh of unasked nonsense from no where..

calliope:
Religion has always undermine, discriminate and underestimated women... So obviously the answer to your question is *Nothing* they get absolutely nothing, cos come to think of it, thier solely purpose was to aid the Male counterpart...... So there is no reward for doing was they were created to do...

I will wait for them to reply though. . . What about you, you have a religion?

Aminat508:
I am a Muslim, Alhamdulillah!!

I follow and believe in the religion of Islam.

I am a Muslim, but I am not dangerous.

I am Muslim, but I am not easily offended.

I am a Muslim, most of my friends are not.

And most importantly, I am a Muslim, but I am not a terrorist!

Terrorists are not Muslims.

Terrorism has no religion. The Quran says: “Whoever kills a person, it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.” (Quran, 5:32) For me Islam is not just a religion, it is the environment I am brought up in. It forms a part of who I am. Islam influences my upbringing, my behaviour and my thoughts, in other words my whole life. I was born as a Muslim and I will die as a proud Muslim.

Islam is my identity!!

what exactly is all this, this is not only unnecessary but irrelevant, you guys just left the question and start pouring out unnecessary professions of faith.

Nobody asked for this.

The question was

What will the muslim women get as a reward in Paradise?

Oxytocin:
If you reach a speed greater than that of light in your spatial dimensions and time now runs at a negative value, doesn't that mean you are going back in time instead of travelling forwards in time

Expatiate pls

It means you are now ahead of time and time will be needing to catch up with you..

Ahead of time means being in front of it, so since time runs at a negative value while you are at a positive value, you are ahead of time not behind it.

Negative is behind positive in mathematics.

Only when your own spatial dimension runs at negative while time is at positive then you are behind time therefore back in time.

spatial dimension (+) and time (-) = ahead of time
spatial dimension (-) and time (+) = behind time.

Negative values are behind positive values. -1 is behind 1