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Christianity Etc › Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by johnydon22(m): 2:02pm On May 05, 2016
urahara:
grin grin grin wwll if u dont want to write the story. I ll write it myself.

Sneak peek......


HOW I MET MY FREECOCOA



A long time ago, there lived a young man called john chukwuemeka who hailed from enugu , he lived in a far far away distant land now called enugu. He was a humble man, . one day , he was sleeping , and and in his dream all of a sudden an angel commanded him to go to the land which is now know as bornu state. He was ordered to go there , for that was where he would find his love , his boo boo. A woman named free cocoa who was a virgin born of a virgin. He was told he would face so many obstacles in finding this woman of his dreams.


.......... 2 be continued. .........
Chai Ayaff died sef grin you have finished me..

Bornu shockedhuh
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Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Nigerian Secular Philosophy! by johnydon22(m): 1:55pm On May 05, 2016
dblackninja:
No no no. He can't. I really laughed at your post in Hardmirror's thread about that miraculous pastor healing a blind and showing him his handkerchief and the blind man got the colour grin
What am saying is that it's not only sight that gives imagery but the whole sense. Just like you imagining the gįm gįm sound I wrote but never actually seen it
Gim gim sound can only be thought off in the same sense as sound not an image..

Like i said above: thoughts are not limited to images, you can think with words and no images.

So the conclusion: A blind man can think but can never imagine up images therefore he might dream but the dream might only be sounds and feelings and not actually images?
Christianity Etc › Re: Names Of African Gods; Share Your Ancestors Gods. by johnydon22(m):
Chukwu - Supreme impersonal Igbo God

intermediary deities

Amadioha (also called kamalu or igwekala) - God of thunder ruler of the skies

Ala - Goddess of the soil

Iyi - Goddess of the river

fijioku - God of yam

Ugwu - God of the hill

Ekwensu - God of tricks, mischief and most time success in trades.

Many others .... Igbos help me out here
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Nigerian Secular Philosophy! by johnydon22(m): 1:44pm On May 05, 2016
dblackninja:
Hehehe of course no no no. Remember the naming of things is just what we use to describe them for our understanding. When I say gįm gįm (a sound) you haven't seen it but you will imagine what's it's like..just like reading a novel and come across some description you haven't heard, you must imagine something which may be actually wrong but you must imagine. Do you know that sound produces colour?
I believe that a blind will imagine a colour to his own tasted after describing to him about the colour.
So you think if a man blind from birth opens his eyes now and you bring Red, Yellow and Blue and ask him 'Have you imagined them before? he will say 'yes'?
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Nigerian Secular Philosophy! by johnydon22(m): 1:37pm On May 05, 2016
SirWere:
Hmm.... Blind people can acquire information through other senses i.e some can "taste" colour or "feel" shapes.

So yeah, they should be able to dream.
You see the only reason why you can imagine a sphere after feeling one is that you have seen one.

There is completely no imaging, and our imaging is not formulated by 'feeling, taste' these can only provide thoughts on their own scope but not an image to one who has never ever perceived images.

do you think a blind man knows what 'light' is? how then can there be imagination without neurological illumination?
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Nigerian Secular Philosophy! by johnydon22(m): 1:29pm On May 05, 2016
dblackninja:
Wow i like your idea but the answer is simple..yes. Imagery doesn't come from sight only. It comes from all the 5 senses of the body.
It gets complicated. . . You might remember/imagibe how something smells or feels or feel the contours but how can you imagine an image of it without seeing it since the onset of your being.

Do you think a blind person who has never seen blue, can automatically recognize blue immediately he opens his eyes for the first time?

and be like "Ehee that's the colour blue"
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Nigerian Secular Philosophy! by johnydon22(m): 1:25pm On May 05, 2016
Reyginus:
Of course, yes, they think. The thing is, they don't imagine the same things we imagine. They dream too but not the same with the pictures we get. They dream the elements in their imagination.
Thinking doesn't necessarily must include imagery, so blind person can think surely.

So since they have no imagery how can they imagine up anything or dream up one...

How can one dream of up when you don't even know what up or down looks like therefore don't even know them.

I doubt..
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Nigerian Secular Philosophy! by johnydon22(m): 1:23pm On May 05, 2016
SirWere:
Hmm, sorry to kill you here bro, but your cells set time can't just be "reset".
You see, your body cells was not just put on a "timer" the day you were born, the circadian rthymn of your body has been preset thousands of years ago; as animal life slowly adapted to life on EARTH.

What I'm saying is that : the "timer", so to speak, have been "set" hundreds of thousands of years ago; before you were even born.
You are still not getting it brother, there is no need to reset the cells here...

the cells all think that there are witnessing time as normal, like when you spend what seem to you to be 1hr in a blackhole.

Your cells won't shrink and get old, no it is still just like 1hour to you, the only problem is that when you get to earth that 1 hour was actually 100 years.

So here time runs slower but to the observer still looked same only when compared to a faster time medium.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Nigerian Secular Philosophy! by johnydon22(m): 1:19pm On May 05, 2016
Now going from the direction of the discussion SirWere is about to pull with Reyginus a thought occurred to me.

Our dreams are from the imagery of the neurological systems, our imaginations are directly as a result of the neurological imaging firings, the images we can form in our minds or dreams are all emanating from previous experiences of that even when you don't remember.

The only reason you can imagine an aeroplane or dream of one as we have today is because you have seen one, if you never have and was asked to imagine one you imagination will be too far from aeroplanes we have.

So now the problem is.

Do blind people dream or can they ever imagine?
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Nigerian Secular Philosophy! by johnydon22(m): 1:07pm On May 05, 2016
SirWere:
Errr......
Sorry to disappoint but your body cells have already adapted to the circadian rthythm of 24 hours, hence they age and die normally.....

Unless of course, you're talking about "getting away from wordly pollution".....
Not really, what he is trying to explain is much more bigger than what you might be thinking.

Gravitational dilation, the more the gravity the slower the time which makes it seem that near a blackhole (immense gravity) time slows down so much that it is nearly stopped.

If you spend 1hour in a blackhole or too near one, when you come back to earth you will see that most of your children are already grand parents.

But to you, you only spent 1hr and will still look same. . .
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Nigerian Secular Philosophy! by johnydon22(m): 12:45pm On May 05, 2016
urahara:
I thought u were the legendary logic boy and not logic bwoy
Still same person Logicboy, logicbwoy, JackBizzle and any other Moniker(s) he might have in between.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Nigerian Secular Philosophy! by johnydon22(m): 12:43pm On May 05, 2016
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Nigerian Secular Philosophy! by johnydon22(m): 12:33pm On May 05, 2016
Reyginus:
It's tempting to say yes but I won't say so. Maybe humanity is simply repeating a cycle. There's no record of the past. I mean something like the internet with real records of what happened before. It's possible such knowledge was commonplace at the time and it's also possible they were visited. I don't really know and wouldn't lean on any side. What we call fossils might simply be what the ancient want us to see so. Sorry for disappointing you.
lol not disappointed you choose to remain agnostic over the ancient astronaut theory, that is practically ok.

To me i have always maintained and have been ringing it into ancient astronauts theorist's ears.

That we do not know how ancient civilizations built stuffs yet doesn't mean they got help from aliens, it simply means We don't know yet …

I'm not a fan of using Ignorance as evidence for speculations like some conspiracy theorists would do
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Nigerian Secular Philosophy! by johnydon22(m): 12:29pm On May 05, 2016
dblackninja:
Yeah bring it on cool
We have a thread about it on the science section maybe i should provide the link or copy to this board?
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Nigerian Secular Philosophy! by johnydon22(m): 12:22pm On May 05, 2016
urahara:
Jackbizzle , i see u o , long tym no see
Jackbizzle is same as Logicbwoy. . . Logical son of a Bizzle grin
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Use Of The 7 Books Of Moses by johnydon22(m): 12:20pm On May 05, 2016
charix:
Ok. I'd redownload it and read then.
I don't understand why mainstream religions are only bordered on fear. This is why the best religions on earth're either none or those which preach true freewill without consequence.
Main stream religions thrive on fearful conformity to authority, a boat of faith paddled by fear and ignorance and incuriosity.

To me some of the religions i respect and emulate most are ones that in totality gears towards harmonization and oneness with one's self and everything.

In order words, freedom, peace and self control.. Jainism came close enough!!!

I am irreligious but i know admirable qualities when i see one... you should go beyond the ideas of your limitations my brother.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Nigerian Secular Philosophy! by johnydon22(m): 12:15pm On May 05, 2016
Reyginus:
I'm in a state of confusion about them all. The misinformation strategy and my stance as a conspiracy theorist has made me doubt everything. Even the things I know I don't really know if I'm being manipulated irrespective of my claim to control and knowledge of them.

No, I've not heard about Fermi's Paradox and I don't really agree with my knowledge of extraterrestrials. The Systems of Control maybe in control. Lol. I think the Americans and Russians know a lot. But then it is possible. This large entity cannot just be about us.

I think, (or is it those who control my mind want me to think?) that exo planetary colonizations is possible. I've read some scientist, a particular female scientist, make this claim. The wonders in the Pyramid at Giza really tells a lot. The flying saucers flights in the artifacts of Ancient Egypt really calls for thinking. Why build an Anti-Gravity flying object to fit in just two to five persons? I don't really know. Lol.
Hahahaha i see you are a staunch conspiracy theorist always suspecting everything might be a matrix. . . I get you brother.

from your last paragraph mentioning the great Pyramid or saucers, i know a lot of ancient astronauts conspiracy theorists think there are proof of alien visitation and technology.

Do you hold this idea too?
You think once extra-terrestrial beings visited?
and rubbed off some of their tech on us? (Like great Pyramid or something)?
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Nigerian Secular Philosophy! by johnydon22(m): 12:10pm On May 05, 2016
dblackninja:
Johnny calm down. I thought you said you can entertain them cheesy
Already did but cannot engage in childish emotional squabbles that will reduce the quality of this thread
Meanwhile I seriously respect that man grin
As for your question haven't heard that. Can you enlighten us
In a while...
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Nigerian Secular Philosophy! by johnydon22(m): 12:08pm On May 05, 2016
urahara:
If time travel was possible , why then dont we see travellers from the future or past grin
Exactly, if there was a time in the future of humanity then where are the the visitors from the future?

But wait what if they already came and the course of history changed therefore the future they came from did not exist so there couldn't then come in the first place..

hahahahaha
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Nigerian Secular Philosophy! by johnydon22(m): 12:01pm On May 05, 2016
dblackninja:
Yeah somehow safe tongue


Alright if something is happening in +6 GMT can some in -6 know that it's happening or must he first reach +6 before he knows?
Someone at -6 can know because it's still happening at a given time only their location on the globe as mapped by the earth's rotation around the sun differs.

so time zone is directly proportional to our rotation around our axis not a difference in TIME as a dimension
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Nigerian Secular Philosophy! by johnydon22(m): 11:55am On May 05, 2016
Reyginus:
Except death is an illusion in the first place. Even at that it still doesn't follow.
Exactly. . . What do you think about my above questions ^^^^ I see some about to go personal with some discussions here and it's going to get real childish soon.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Nigerian Secular Philosophy! by johnydon22(m): 11:51am On May 05, 2016
Boss @Reyginus: Lets further our discussion. . . What do you think about extra-terrestrial civilizations and the universe?

Have you heard of the Fermi's paradox?

And what are our chances of exo-planetary colonizations, what do you think about them?
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Use Of The 7 Books Of Moses by johnydon22(m): 11:43am On May 05, 2016
charix:
Did you practice the spells given? A lot of them are listed in the book.
They said finish the book a demon will appear, i finished it and patiently waited for the angel or demon to appear hoping it is a female grin

Boss there is nothing ominous about that, it's just a case of monkey analogy.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Nigerian Secular Philosophy! by johnydon22(m): 11:40am On May 05, 2016
Reyginus:
Yeah. I was explaining with that how the time zone doesn't explain time travel.
Yes brother Not at all, time zone to us is measured from the rotation of earth around it's axis....

That mapping is just a human representation to keep event... I've heard of a plane that left the airport 2016 and landed 2015..

Hahahaha that's not time travel at all, time zone is totally something different...
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Nigerian Secular Philosophy! by johnydon22(m): 11:38am On May 05, 2016
urahara:
U dont believe in evolution. You either accept it or be deluded
Lets not dogmatize this discussion brother!!!
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Nigerian Secular Philosophy! by johnydon22(m): 11:36am On May 05, 2016
Logicbwoy:
I also have similar thoughts about the quantum world having no rules. However, I am more convinced by the notion that the quantum world is just counter-intuitive. Everything we know so far about our physical world is governed by rules. I think we just need to figure out the rules of the quantum world.
Yes that's why i think for me the rules might just be there are no rules that is why everything behaves so randomly that it hurts. .

subatomic particles can be induced to speed up without any application of an external force, 1st law of motion murdered.

Opposite of law is No law wink
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Nigerian Secular Philosophy! by johnydon22(m): 11:29am On May 05, 2016
Reyginus:
Lol. Or let's he murders Einstein and P.C Dirac, what concept is he then operating on? It doesn't make sense.
Time doesn't run backwards, you imagine going back in time and meet your grand father then murders him automatically you won't exist in the future therefore there is no you at all.

Then if there is no you how then did you murder your grand father? . . . .Its a fun brain juggling paradox boss
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Nigerian Secular Philosophy! by johnydon22(m): 11:27am On May 05, 2016
Reyginus:
When I cross a time zone is anything reversed? No. If my brother falls into a gutter in GMT+1 time zone whole I reside in a GMT-6 zone can I speed home on a concord aircraft and prevent him from falling into a gutter?
Hahahahaha the Physics of time is different from what you are thinking here boss..

Let me explain like i explained to logicbwoy, time can go slow, stand still but not backwards.

Let me use time dilation.

In two bodies fires a laser beam travelling at the speed of light, one of the bodies is stationary while the other is moving half the speed of light.

If both measures the speed of the laser beam fired there will still reach the same answer.
(Which normally shouldn't be so since one is almost half the speed of light so is expected it's measurement should be half less than that of the stationary one)

So the thing here is for the moving body, time slows down in order to equilibrate the spatial velocity dimensions and keep the constant of light (C).

So XYZ (spatial velocities) + (time )= C (speed of light)
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Nigerian Secular Philosophy! by johnydon22(m): 11:15am On May 05, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
So what's the problem if you know that

infiniti + infiniti = infiniti + 1 = Infiniti + 2 +... + Infiniti + n = Infiniti
Means infiniti is literally boundless and ever accommodating and so there is no cap on it.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Nigerian Secular Philosophy! by johnydon22(m): 11:13am On May 05, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
No Omnipotence of God means He can do all things which are in His plans for anything in accordance to His personality or nature . Meaning He cannot do something illogical , or contrary to His nature .
There you go, he cannot do something and also limited by his nature therefore cannot be Omnipotent.

You see you have murdered the omnipotence yourself... You did it yourself.

I'm through with the paradox nothing more to add
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Nigerian Secular Philosophy! by johnydon22(m): 11:09am On May 05, 2016
Reyginus:
Time travel assumes a lot of things that are not possible. I don't see time in that light. I don't see it in the same light some of you here see it. I wonder what exactly will happen to our earth for a particular person to interfere with the past? Does it affect just his past and how does our earth react to this movement involving only one person? Does the earth rotate faster and to whom? It makes zero sense.
Going back in time creates a paradox because if one person goes back and murders alexandar the great or Newton.

this present will never turn out exact same way therefore he came from a future that does not exist.

So you see, the only solution is annihilation of the paradox.. it is not feasible to travel back in time
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Nigerian Secular Philosophy! by johnydon22(m): 11:03am On May 05, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
All these are hypothetical and cannot be obtained in reality . plus Its like asking God to do dumb things when He told you he is an all wise God . Or commit sin when He told you that he is Holy , righteous .
Lol these are not hypothesis rather mathematical representations... Infiniti is boundless and not limited therefore expands into Infiniti still.

Infinit+ infiniti = infiniti... infiniti + 1 = infiniti too..

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