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Uyi168:
as per the question raised above.. is it possible for one to believe in God yet being fed up with Christianity??...
or am I just treading on the path of atheism??
someone should please illuminate a soul

Since nobody really wants to help you, let me chip in my little opinion.

You do not necessarily have to be atheistic, you only need to follow the part of independent reason free from any religious coercion.

If you feel your reason conflicts with any religion then you need not force it on yourself, only be open to more study and enquiry and maintain a natural curiosity to know more.

A time will come when you'll find peace in the path you finally choose for yourself out of your own volition and sound independent mind.

Loisemm:
On point. HardMirror, your story can be different. You can make a come back and be better & bigger. And I am not a fanatic. I haven't even done quarter of the exploits you did as a christian. I am simply a believer (not a new one anyway) who has personal proofs that God is real.

Personal proofs? Oh wow and you still say believer... People really don't get it.

There is nothing like Personal proof, once something is evidential it can be perceived by all.

You do not have personal proof that stars are real but when it comes to the alleged creator of the cosmos it resorts to personal proofs which is merely a substitution of emotion as proof.

We hope this proof can be demonstrated and evidential to ascertain it's falsifiability and not some shabby claims passed as proof as always

OgundeleT:
U mean ur gf is on this forum? kai johnny... god is watching u

Hahahahahahaha Na where love carry me go naaa

absoluteSuccess:
Because I can't jump "count" one to get to count millions...

You can start your own counting from zillions

that's convenient for your arguments though.

I think this argument is feeble... both one and a billion are numbers ...

Humans are creators and there are billions of humans in this planet not 1..

so i ask again, how do you now think it should be 1 creator and not a race of such beings?

or do you think 1 makes any less of an assumption?

ibedun:
Silly Goat - what is there to celebrate in a non-entity. Shouldn't be a councillor let alone a president.

Here, have a glass of water and calm down before you get heart attack nothing my brother

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yarimo:
Mtchew mtswww see as GEJ is forming like a celebrity.

He is though

I think this is the Òzò title... The Ozo is one of the highest ranking titles in Igbo culture second to none..

In Igbo culture, there have no traditional monarchs except for 1 the ancestral Nri Stool every other is a product of the colonial government.

You do not come with respect in Igbo culture, you are not born with it neither does your father's respect rub off on you. No you earn it from what you do.

Only your worth will prove if you are worthy to be among men!!!

Good one senator keep flying the flags of our African culture.

PastorAIO:
You hit the nail on the head right there and that is the mistake many theists on NL are making. They are so desperate to win the argument that they resort to all sorts of underhand methods and aggressive yabbis. What they don't realise is that it is not just the people they are arguing with, nor even just the members of this forum, that are reading the posts and getting influenced. It is everybody that comes to NL mostly guests. These christians do so much for the spread of atheism with their inanities in their attempts to counter atheism.

Just make your points. Ask pertinent questions that strike right at the heart of a matter. Then Let the Religionists rage and hurl inanities at you. Once they do that, then your job is done. seeds have been planted. The failure of the apologists to logically respond is made clear for all to see.They will factor that into their own soul searching.

I couldn't have said it better boss. It's all seem very childish, immature and really really desperate and insecure when they muster attempts to counter atheism crowned by the personal tantrums and emotional yarns.

Those infantile attempts really only more like adds fuel to the flame.

I receive PMs almost on daily basis, people with questions even though most times naive but you can see it's sincere, people at the cross roads from reading the debates and people that already abandoned religions feeling alone and wants a guiding hand.

I notice they are not really the people who mostly comment on this board but actually silent readers who go through the squabbles and ponder them and there is always an effect from the things they read. . **Though once in a while you get a surprise PM from an unexpected popular religionist**

the religions (Islam and Christianity) are doing terrible damage in the name of defence.

So the debates is not really about the person countering you but about the readers, the readers can discern between plain imbecility and an argument.

Most irreligious people here keep on arguing with theists, engaging in an endless circle of meaningless squabbles repeating the same thing over and over again, i have done that before and it's totally unnecessary, irrelevant and nonsensical.

I keep saying, no point stressing it or trying to win an arguement last i checked there is no prize for that.

Simply make your points and move, there is a curious point in every human, you only need to give it a very little prick. It takes over from there..

Not aim at convincing anyone, that is irrelevant and unneeded

austin2all:
You mean to tell me that your life depends on no principle?

I have a thousand and one principles and i can proudly say all are independent of any religious coercions.

My principles are of my own making, my ideas and not that of any other person, book or doctrine

Even though I've long discovered the truth (that religion is just a tool used to control the vulnerables), the fact still can not be challenged that the bible holds such great morals and principles that when ones life is base on them, would definitely bring out the best in him/her. And so I've decided to adopt it's morals to serve as a base for my family.

There is a whole lot of moral values in every religious book as well as a thousand and one barbarism, inconsistencies and outright rubbish.

Buddhism holds a great deal of morals
Taoism does
Janism does and these religions beats every Abrahamic or biblical mumbo jumbo hands down when it comes to morals.

Even the African culture is decorated with outright healthy moral principles so what the hell are you saying?

All these mentioned above, all the morals found in these religions or books are all human ideas.

So why must you rely on someone else's idea to develop your own moral ideas...
So morality is not a trade mark of any religion or book, don't even try make it so.

I'll teach my kids morals in coincide with the human society, values that promotes justice and love, freedom and promotes individual and societal well being.

So now know this; Morality is neither Christian or muslim or hindu or any religion, morality is human it belongs to no ism.

morality is not dependent on any book or creed for basis cus it has a human basis..

Develop your own god damn ideas!!!

But for how long will one have to pretend for his wife and kids, even when you know that all the prayers you've said together in Jesus name has always been nothing but ceremonial formalities.

Boy this is your own cup of tea.... I am not bringing my Children up in any religion not one..

I will teach them the essence of goodness as a human virtue for the human society necessary for our continuation and not as a religious doctrine or religious idea

that's absurd.

LongJohnS:
I've just wasted good one hour in reading this 17 paged trash. To hell with you foolish Hardmirror for being the Coward that you truely are.
The gutless Atheist

Hhmmmm what exactly is getting you worked up here...? He just told his story, how does that call for insults and name callings please..?

I really don't understand

Religion is slowly waning

julioralph:
wow..

I thought as much....

he started out exactly d same way d Op started, forming ''holy holy'' ....
then he labelled himself a ''berean'' christian and started condemning everyone... Anglicans, Catholics, Pentecostals, Evangelicals, Cele JW's Muslims Hindu's etc etc....
later he stopped going to church...
And finally he more or less stopped believing in God!!!

I remember back in d day when his threads were almost a constant fixture on Fp every sunday.... Like Paul cautioned us (and has been quoted here) Let him that stands take heed lest he falls Good Pm

Frosbel's case is really a very good case study here how dangerous it is for any religious person to encounter atheists no matter how strong they think their belief is..

frosbel is a good example

We all at one point were top notch core religionists and theists but along the line the thunder struck..

Frosbel was one top debater against atheists here on NL, we don't have anybody here now that can match that, his aggressiveness during his days.. He was a pain then, i only watched as a guest then though.

then slowly the emergence of reason started, the little seeds of doubt and question his endless encounters with atheists culminated and germinated into a tree..

even though they might sound aggressive and all that, it is expected for a dearly held idea to be aggressive towards a new contradicting one but some things never remain same.

some way along the line, it may take years but they will one day ask one question as an effect from the debates with atheists.

and from there the slow painful and lonely hard journey begins ...

thats why i always maintain: it's dangerous for anyone with a belief in deities to debate an atheist, it might take a very long time but that tiny mustered seed of doubt must be planted.

so when debating, do not argue to win an argument or argue endlessly, it is needless and infantile..

Simple make your points and be done with it, all needed is just 1 tiny seed of doubt, natural curiosity takes over..

the result is always ......... You know it

absoluteSuccess:
Oboy,

It's so amazing meeting an "heterofaithful".

As for me, I believe in one Creator who is beyond the description of religious books.

I can't create a custom religion, hence I go with Christianity which is closer to religious argument of Yoruba people.

it's more convenient for me and my temperaments. I'm less concern what happens when I die.

I also understand that its not because of heaven and hell that God made mankind, he has greater plans than the reported.

Also, he has some better ways of catching fun than hunt about for my sins, but people will always be people.

However, I accepted Christian doctrine cause if you don't accept the finger of God, you will not live to behold his glory.

Why do you think it's should be only 1 creator and not millions or a whole race of them?

austin2all:
One question to ask Hardmirror, johnnydon, and co is,
How did you get your spouse to share same ideology with you, and
How do you intend to raise your kids?

Current girl friend is an atheist, A popular one here on Nairaland at that... I'm a lucky bastard

For my kids i intend to raise them free, they won't be atheists or theists, rather maintain that default stance we all have from birth which is Pure agnosticism.

When they grow to the age of reason they can develop their own ideas not feed them my own ideas

Speeechless3:
Say what you know madam.
The bible is logical and reasonable. Our debased minds and blind eyes that need cleansing and opening respectively keep telling us the opposite. Little wonder false men of God can deceive us easily. The bible is "pro cmon sense"

Let us put this to the test shall we?... Tell us the logic behind the belief that a sea divided into two?

MrKong:
Christians turning atheist when they find out they've been in falsehood all the while...keep searching and you will find the truth in Islam cos it is only Truth that will set you free

what Islam.... That's the worse of all Abrahamic faiths and for your information Muslims turn atheists too in their number but most the fear of apostate killings keeps them in the closet.

OgundeleT:
thumb up, so educating. where is lalasticlala self

We do what we do brother out of respect to human intellect ... Thank you boss

nelsonoba:
Like seriously, I dont understand your fascination with "Islamic" hell. Hell is hell, and I don't understand why you must create an Islamic hell out of the already existing hell. By the way, you sound so apprehensive each time i talk about hell........if you're that scared of hell, then why do you still want to end up there?

And you claim to be one of the atheists backing up Mr HardMirror, but you are here wishing for me to end up in "Islamic hell"? If God does not exist as you claim, then hell too does not exist because hell is just a place for punishment of damned souls who rejected God. How could you possibly be wishing for somebody to end up in a place you claim does not exist? Aren't you the most confused human being on the planet or the worst liar there is??

So you could not even make out the simple sarcasm in his post ... I give up on you guys really.

Chisssos..!!!!!!!

Pyrrho:
becoming an atheists is not as easy as the theist think it is. But when you finally stop deceiving yourself, and the threats of these "Gods"(according to some men) seem unreasonable, you are out.

I began by thinking independently. If I can doubt the existence of a God, why would he allow anyone to think in the first place.

Then I experimented, if God can stop me from thinking further then he exists. I won't fool myself in this quest. All the questions became clearer and unanswerable.

I realized that no man has actually seen a god, or presented any convincing statement about the existence of a god, gods, or a God.

No person, with all the faith combined have raised the dead. Only one book claims to have records of supernatural accomplishment by men which I haven't experienced any except I would lie to my own self.

Any of you who have, by any means, seen, heard or have a conclusively indisputable proof of your god should try here and now.

Don't be scared to question the bible and your pastors. Don't settle for inconclusive explanations and answers. Then you'll have found your brain was in hibernation mood for a very long time.

No one can make you an atheist, I am an agnostist, but was once an atheist. After much thinking it didn't really matter anymore. We are have at least arrived at reason without being promised wealth in an unseen place or threatened by eternal damnation. It all becomes belittling to our intellectual capacity.

It takes great courage for one to question his/belief and eventually leave it, i consider such people the strongest in the world.

they set out to find the truth and they follow it even when under infantile threats of eternal torture

HardMirror:
I am perplexed that people read those "holy" books and don't ask important questions about what they are reading. If those books were just novels, then no problem. But books claiming to be from god; the absolute guide to life and definer of purpose. Not asking questions is a serious sign that such minds are deluded.

If the story of Noah wasn't in the bible Christians would have laughed at anybody who believed it, if the story of Harry Potter was in the bible Christians would have believed it and call anyone who don't a fool.

Don't you see how a Muslim believes Muhammed rode a flying horse but doubt other fantasies in the Christian bible that aren't found in their belief.

But a christian would still laugh at a muslim for believing muhammed rode a flying horse but they think a man flew away into the cloud and into some heaven.

That is the hypocrisy and idiocy of belief, trying to substitute emotions for evidence and faith as proof.

Blinds one to the inconsistencies of his beliefs but leaves them wide open to the inconsistencies of other belief.

Religions thrives on Fear, Blind faith, Ignorance and driven by indoctrination of these values into younger minds, if everyone asked questions like "you" did or want everyone to, we won't have up to 10% of the world being religious.

HardMirror:
Really I am not interested in convincing anyone. But I will keep upsetting the norms in religion just to tickle peoples imagination. I am yet to see an atheist that is trying to convert anyone. We just make our findings available.

Exactly but the insecurities in these beliefs makes them see it as an attack, their vulnerability makes them want to protect their beliefs from scrutiny and questions.

Anything that can be destroyed by the truth deserves to be destroyed...

Ganjafama:
It was even God who brought up the issue of job just to ridicule satan. What an insecure god.

Who ever reads the bible or Quran objectively will only see a very insecure, childish, egoistic, sadistic, wrathful, vengeful, partial, small, tribal, barbaric and ignorant deity in the name of an all powerful creator of the cosmos.

All Gods are simply too small for this cosmos

Blakjewelry:
I think the solution is to create a scientific forum of our own. I think we should make science attractive to our youth, I have the total package. I have being working on it for years, I you will like the idea. I refer to it as my e-lab, though the vision is own physical one in the future, all I need is volunteers to kick start. Whoever is interested should show interest, then I will make the details known

You know i am in

HardMirror:
You wish. These are words I could have said myself some years ago. You may end an atheist as well. Just keep asking questions with sincerity and willingness to accept the truths of your discovery.

Jadonjack:
Sometimes I wonder why yu xtians think all atheists are frustrated but then I realised the truth.... Yu all can't cope with the fact that another sheep has finally bn freed of your grisp

Everyone is at different stages of consciousness, there is a certain stage you reach when your intent is just to speak your truth and not argue over it or try to convince others of it.

You begin to realize we all have and thread different paths in other words you cannot convince a baby that they should be walking and not crawling when they are still at that stage of crawling.

To convince them of that truth is irrelevant.

So you need not reply the emotional but sadly ignorant assertions from insecure Christians littering this thread, you need not convince them that their wits are wrong because both of you are at different levels of wits, volition and illumination.

They can harbour any misconceived ill idea they have about atheists and atheism or broadly irreligiousity, it doesn't change anything.

No matter how hard you try to change that notion they will still hold it and cling to it, its not about them not learning but not wanting to learn.

Like i always say, it is dangerous for anyone with a belief in deities to debate an atheist, it might take a very long time but that tiny mustered seed of doubt must be planted.

So don't bother responding all these irrelevant mentions and posts, only speak your truth and do not bother arguing.

It only takes one tiny seed of doubt, natural curiosity takes it from there..

Ayomivic:
that is the kind of live you want that made you reject christ.



Santanists are wiser than atheist. I know you will never tell them the trueth.

Why is it that Satanist always in support of Atheists even when they know that atheist does not believe in existence of God and Satan?

The answer is that. The satanist know that atheists are foolish beacause they are unknowngly serving Satan. Satanist kown this, but atheist can never agree for they are foolish.


Satanists are wiser than atheists.

Exactly, bravo... You are correct..

It takes a Christian to be a Satanist because a Christian also believes the existence of the deity Satan.

So satanism and Christianity are actually two sides of the same coin

Uuuhm why exactly isn't this in the science section rather?

Yes just like blinking is a sin

homeboy205:
Is this the believe of the atheists

You know Christian believe the soul will go to heaven for those who do good and for those who do bad the soul burn in hell

Exactly the Christians believe that, Muslims do too, Hinduist believe we will reincarnate but alas it is just what you just said belief ..

so hard truth it, Believing anything doesn't make it true, no matter how desperately you believe it, your belief won't even make it probably true.

That you believe any whim, coercion or fantasy out there will never make them true, it only means you believe it whether it is true or not..

promise101:
Wow, a new wise fool!

I pray that you will be smiling while dying on your deathbed.

I think you'll make a good atheist soon, just let it all out now, soon your ringtone will change

**Grabs my slippers and runs for my life**

I sight you my boss davien...

Hhmmmmm looks like i nearly missed this to be ground breaking story... well i am here now **Grabs seat near OgundeleT** "guy give me pop corn and stout abeg

Little suggestion Pastor HardMirror, you need not reply the mentions from heart broken vulnerable Christian brothers that has been raining down pleadingly on this thread..

simply ignore and focus on your story which is why we are here..

Contunu **sips a cup of atlantic ocean**