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Barristter07:
freecocoa



while trying to prove smart, you are actually showing ignorance with your post above.


there are some medical cases in which medical practitioners sense the influence of black powers in the condition of some patients , would you say this doesnt exist too ?

Only in Africa explains why most black politicians abandon our hospitals for western ones when they fall sick.

to avoid such imbecilic unprofessionalism.

GrizzlyBear:
Do you already have a rational explanation for the instances I gave? If you do, please do tender it.

Do you believe there is nothing like juju? If you don't believe, why don't you?

Well to start first of all, yes i am one of those who don't believe in the spirity juju claims, for very straight reasons.

For anything to be displayed in a television it must be directly a picture of the television, we don't see pictures in the t.v and say

"You see this picture? out of all the pictures in this television that one is actually alien from the television and is super-television image"

So too is the relationship between things manifesting in nature and the idea of supernatural. . .Anything manifesting within nature is nature, if there are ghosts and they can actually appear in this natural world then they are completely natural.

Thats why i like the name superNATURAL. . it speaks a lot, still Natural but super, in fact all of nature is super so there is nothing special in that word

I have always said "People would believe any idea rooted on their ignorance"

The only time people invoke Juju, spirity, supernatural is when they lack the fundamental information regarding what actually happened, it's almost like they are only invoked as a place holder for ignorance.


Take for instance the doctor instance you gave, you are inclined to believe it's juju simply because you had no idea how it happened.

If we all subscribe to that line of thought humanity would still be primitive and sadly naive, i am sorry to use such blunt words.

That you had no idea how it happened means you don't not juju which in fact is as vague as vague can get...

The things we term juju, black magic or any other ridiculous term people may curb out for it are simply a simplistic way of filling up ignorance with absurd fearful superstition, vague ideas.

A simple probe would actually reveal what really is.

Have you watched a magic show before? they perform incredible feats that are fascinating and out of the world but simply probe further than meets the eye everything falls apart, once the tactics behind the illusion is unraveled it becomes useless.

I will pick your stories one after the other, show the holes in some, explain in my own understanding (since i wasn't there) some of the instances.

But before i proceed i will also want to emphasize the blatant naive misconception here.

[b]Atheism has nothing to do with Juju/spirity beliefs.

Atheism doesn't mean disbelief in spirits, No! atheism simply means disbelief in God.

whether you believe in juju or not is blatantly independent of it ..

Juju/jazz or anything or other superstitions around them can be independent of belief in God.

One can believe such thing and be an atheist as long as such a person does not believe in any God.

One can still believe in a God and not juju/jazz stuffs... so you see?

Do not equate atheists as people who do not believe in juju that is wrong, Atheist is just a word labeled on those who don't believe in God(s)

What ever it is you believe or not believe after that is your own cup of personal tea.

there are some atheists who buy the juju beliefs only that majority of we atheists in this 21st century tend to lean towards science as the most reliable way of truthful deductions and so we tend to dismiss the juju claims.

I only want to correct this first since your questions were actually based on that wrong premise of "atheist not believing in juju" here you have it, some do…
[/b]

Now i will pick your stories one after the other, i will give my personal rational explanations to it, expose some holes, but in no way claims my opinions are absolutely true.

you need not agree to them, i won't even argue here.

I will address them from the perspective of an atheist who don't believe in Juju things, an atheist who does probably will agree with you that juju exists but no God(s)

GrizzlyBear i don't understand, do you want me to tender a rational explanation for some of the instances you gave or tell you there is nothing like Juju?

By the way: Belief in spirity power has nothing to do with being atheistic and some atheist do believe such superstitions...

What is it exactly would you have me do here brother?

UyiIredia:
How can someone believe in spirits and still call himself an atheist? Those two don't rhyme mate.

Obviously everything i said was useless... Carry on with ever it is you think

Pyrrho:
Don't bother with these uneducated theists.
Definition of terms seems to elude them no matter how hard you try to explain.
I'm still waiting for the continuation of "the story of job: untold"

I am on it brother ... episode 3 has been updated

UyiIredia:
Sorry, then you are not an atheist as your thread suggests.

For goodness sake when will you lot learn that atheism is independent of belief in supernatural things or events.

Atheism simply means disbelief in God(s) that's all..

Whether you believe in voodoo, spirits, witches any other superstitious mumbo jumbo as long as you don't share a belief in God(s) for any reason you may have you are an atheist.

Likewise someone can have a belief in God(s) but not spirity mumbo jumbo..

that he believes in any supernatural thing he thinks is real doesn't make him any less atheistic, what makes one an atheist is simply disbelief in God(s)

Atheism is not only about sciency world view only that majority of 21st century atheist lean towards science as the most reliable way of truthful deduction about nature..

Episode 3


A smile was glued on God's face like a stick in a mud, his white well trimmed curly long beards made it seem like a Christmas on June. His throne was comfortable with an internal massaging apparatus slowly caressing his back as the Sons of God deliberated within themselves.

Finwe stood up, he was brown coloured, bright white eyes that always shone even in the brightest lights. A very tall one with a bold personality well reserved and composed. . He was one of the sons of God in charge of a small galaxy named Sinda.

Uriel one of the arch angels was his best friend and usually helped him run things around in his territory.

He cleared his throat and addressed God.

"Almighty father" He stopped, took a simple bow just from the shoulder up "I bring report from the galaxy of Sinda"

"Speak my son" The elderly voice calmly roared

Finwe took another simple bow and continued "It's a dire case sire, a small planet orbiting a gigantic star is about to go into oblivion!!"

The hall hummed with indistinguishable murmurs and every one kept calm to hear all of Finwe's report.

"The planet is on a goldilock orbit and is fully inhabited, remember that race you asked Cindel to create, uuuuuuhm the merols?" he asked trying to paint a very clear picture of the situation he was about to report.

God simply nodded, his face still very calm and eyes peering like it looked at nothing in particular.

Jessel turned to Jesus and whispered "I'm sure you are not familiar with the race of merols in the planet zuz?"

Jesus shook his head still listening

"it's just another stupid race in the universe, they look almost like humans on that planet earth, eheee but they are slightly bigger and still as naive as your humans"

He stopped for a while and looked into Jesus's face but it was blank and still had that listening mode look.

"Slightly older than humans but can you believe those fools still think the universe revolves around them and everything was made for them?" Jessel said chuckling.

Lucifer over hearing them laughed a bit too, "they simply have no idea" he sighed out.

"Sssshhh guys listen we are in the middle of a meeting" Jesus reminded them, unlike the ever jovial Jessel and over zealous lucifer, Jesus was more reserved and talked less.

They looked on towards the throne where Finwe stood before God and was reeling out his report.

"Now the bad news is, the sun that the planet zuz orbited is almost about to go Red giant mode anytime from now and that means the planet and every one in it is about to perish" Finwe finished his report and still stood waiting for a reply, an effective plan of a way out.

God was quiet, he was mulling over some thoughts... "yeah! isn't planet zuz the one with some bunch of guys who said they were the alpha and omega of the universe because they could conjure a little technology ?"

He looked around a bit and continued his thoughts

"I even heard some blind bastards on that planet are atheist too, those sucker deserve to be obliterated by that sun"

he looked at Finwe then spoke.

"Contact Teckel, tell him to fix up some anti-gravitational maneuvers to drift the planet farther apart so it doesn't get sucked up when the sun goes red giant mode."

Finwe nodded then took a solemn bow, this is a bow from the waist upwards.

Next was Lindel

"Almighty, some angels has bleeped up again" he said almost like in a hurry.
"what happened again this time Lindel?" God said rolling his eyes as Lindel was always known for bad news.

"I just received reports that the new watchers you assigned to watch the gate of the planet earth got seduced by the beautiful girls on earth and they have abandoned their posts to take these girls as wives" Lindel said without the slightest pause.

"Oh not again" Jesus sighed hitting a face palm

Lucifer laughed and remarked "Konji is a serious bastard!!!"

"This is the third time this type of thing is happening, my angels getting seduced even when they haven't seen anything yet, i looked into the future of earth and i saw an era when girls will walk about unclad. If these things are happening now i fear all my angels might pack and relocate to earth when that era of bikini comes" God sounded really worried over the sad development.

"Lindel sack those guys and lets hope the new employees don't go the same road again" he roared sternly.

the reports went on and on as more Sons of God brought their own reports and request one after the other, the refreshment was ever flowing as the kitchen staffs made more than can be finished.

As the meeting was getting old Lucifer stood up for his turn, such a small body but his personality was high, his blinking peering eyes fluttering like wings of a flying bird.

He took a simple bow, Jesus rolled his eyes

"Amighty. i saw your missed calls i'm sorry i wasn't around" he said first.

"You no deh ever deh house" Jesus yelled from his seat and the hall went up in a roar of laughter making Jesus grin to himself, it's not every day one gets to tease Lucifer and make everyone laugh from it.

One thing he hated about lucifer was that he knew well how to tease and make fun of people but it was hard to tease him cus he sometimes yabbed himself first in front of everyone, how will you make fun of someone who already did that by himself, that was how Lucifer always managed to stay away from being joked with but today Jesus hit it big time and was glad about it.

"Aaaah Lucifer you are here. yeah i called, so what have you been up to these days?" God asked

"You know the usual, i walk to and fro on earth and every other boring corner i can spare" Lucifer replied his throaty feminine voice ridiculed his small masculine nature.

"So any serious catch yet on earth?" God asked curiously.

"Naaaah There is no need for me to over do it, the earth is filled to the brim with jolly hard goers, so it's an easy one now".. Lucifer replied smiling.

"Don't be all smiley about it, there are still some good ones there" God retorted.

"Like?" Lucifer asked with a curious look.

"Like my servant Job, have you noticed my servant Job? A very righteous man in every way, faithful and good than every other person on earth"

.Continued in next episode..

Gerarahere:
am shaking like say i no go see tomorrow,i can feel the weight of their ship move over our house with their gravity controlled machine,we dnt have lights,thanks to nigeria as i can view a bit of them from my guys window, nairalanders am real scared. i hope they wont raid my house an abduct us. the light from their ships are illuminating some parts of my area. ugbene2,ava side precisely

Hahahahahahaha I have a friend in Ugbene2 and i stay in another part of abakpa.. boss go hospital

#sighs ... Africca!!! well it will be well i hope

Ok let us be clear... Ruling Nigeria is not good for Buhari's health either..

MichaelEff:
Really? this is just a comparison between the two devices, as for Itel, they have great products I'm a geek and I know what I'm talking about

Hahahahahahahaha #Faints

bobo65:
C all these paid ppl
C how ugly the itel looks
With its bad reputation and horrible phone history, do u ever think itel can make a phone that will out match infinix?



Have u noticed that no one on nl has made a hands on review, all these marketers make una carry una money go buy, do a review so u can sell well, but as for me, I don't c any reason y I would buy an itel device, its so not classy at all

Asin eeeeeehn e tire me bros... #26,500 and 26,000 only #500 difference and the itel is more affordable asin like WTF?

If you can afford 26,500 what is 500 on top again... i'd rather use Nokia torch than use an Itel device.

shiit as wack

truthman2012:
What is going on here ? Can two different faiths come from the same God ? I am seriously astonished to learn of this:

The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.” (Catholic Catechism, page 841 [

So by Catholic belief, islam is also from their God. Surprise, surprise !!!

Yeah two different faiths cannot come from the same God but 33,000 different christian sects of varying faiths can come from the same God, you are outrightly hypocritic, judgemental and picky.

Amberon:
The God obsession by the atheists might soon degenerate into dementia and schizophrenia.

By virtue of your beliefs if you'll find this work of literature offensive to your person or belief [size=18]please DO NOT READ!!![/size]

But if you care to read, see it as a work of literature inspired by a fascinating
myth for your pleasure or as a tickle for some deep serious thoughts..

The writer is not responsible for how ever this story makes you feel, happy,
[size=18]sad or angry. That is sorely your business.[/size]

You need not kill yourself over nothing brother, Don't develop a heart attack. I'm not on an attack against your beliefs here..

when i am, you know it

kenny1795:
what happened

Long tale brother, long story

kenny1795:
So guys has anyone figured out the mystery which nickeledeon left us with??

WHAT HAPPENED TO ZUKO's MUM?

it was explained in the avatar comics

Episode 2

The excitement grew in as the time for the 'God and Sons' meeting came closer and closer,
The royal court curtains where raised and decorated, tables and golden chairs brought out into the banquet hall while the jolly excitement buzzed inside the kitchen as several meals were made.

Heavenly sapphired pork
Golded chicken
Diamonded meshed beef

The meetings of 'God and Sons' always was a good time for many heavenly inhabitants, the foods were exceptionally better and most angels would be sent on an errand to earth afterwards since each Son of God brought a different complaint, request or plan.

So every messenger angel cherished the moment cus they all loved to go on a field trip to earth or some other corner of the universe.

By 9:30aon, the heavenly Sons were already arriving as punctuality was a virtue in heaven, a golden limo parked and out came a very big and handsome creature almost looks like Jesus but slightly bigger, that was Jessel, he ruled the galaxy of Andromeda.

Ran to Jesus and they greeted and hugged, more and more cars, chariots and even flying carpets trooped in as different bright shinning men of distinct personalities trooped in taking their seats around the golden royal hall.

9:58aon after most thought the Godly sons were all done, a black tinted limo with a bull's horn on the hood parked in the parking lot, a smattering touch of fine chassis work and an art work of flames bordered each side.

The door flung open as a small stout and petit figure stepped out, barely 5'2ft tall, face always looking around and a personality bigger than it's body, he walked faster than his shadow and blinked more frequent than was normal.

"Yeah Lucifer is here, that bastard is always late" Jesus whispered to Jessel who laughed.

"You haven't changed one bit brother, still have not forgiven Lucifer for not agreeing to be sent to the galaxy of ambrosinia, not only did he stay in the milky galaxy he always made your precious earth his play ground" Jessel said laughing heartily.

"Stop Jessel, this is not funny" Jesus threw back working his face into a minor frown "He should have gone and ruled Ambrosinia, it's way bigger than the milky galaxy and the planets there are even hotter"

"Too bad he likes the milky galaxy, here he comes" Jessel whispered as Lucifer approached both of them.

"I always find it hard to distinguish between you two twin-like birds" He joked with a voice that sounded throaty but weirdly feminine for a man figure still blinking fast.

Jessel laughed and Jesus forced out a weak smile.

"Good to see you both Jesus and Jessel, its being quite long. And Jesus i haven't seen your break light on earth since Father sent you to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, he knew i loved those guys" he sighed.

"Lucy those guys were immoral and sinners" Jesus replied in a sure stern voice.

"Aaaaah always the righteous one brother, at this age you still stayed here in Heaven with Father. they just knew how to enjoy themselves. Left to you earth would have been a place of abject boredom, virgin inhabitants drinking cow milk only" Lucifer replied still laughing, Jessel too was laughing but Jesus wasn't.

"Don't start now lucy!!" Jesus said

"Jessel tell him, he should be out there exploring and ruling a galaxy not hang in here dotting around father, no wonder father loves him the most. His precious little Jesus" Lucifer laughed throwing Jessel into another bout of laugh.

Jesus' face worked into a mean frown now but he felt warm inside, Lucifer always teased and made fun of him when ever he came around

"Oya e don do" he said as they walked into the royal hall.

The hall buzzed and oozed with humming sounds of chartless chatters here and there, the angels stood guard at every corner with flaming swords and stinging guns.

24 elders sat behind the bigger throne now, none of them moved or talked just sat and watched, after the meeting they would resumed their positions around the throne and continue their worship routine.

Lucifer, Jessel and Jesus grabbed seats around a round table just in the front row, a transparent rose flower was in the center of the table and it shimmered like rain.

"His almighty, majesty and holy one!!!" Angel Sechel yelled announcing the presence of God as he walked into the hall with his youthful but old self smiling and nodding to himself as he walked towards his throne admiring his sons.

Everyone stood up until after he had taken his seat then they sat back down and the meeting start.

Continued in next episode..

urahara:
Uncle johnny don22 longest tym

Where u dey since

Being busy with work brother, it has been a tight schedule at my work place...

Episode 1


Just another day in heaven, the voices of the 9heavenly choirs are heard in the background reeling out a melodious morning tune harmonizing the mood of the heavenly environments high pitched soprano taking up a solo every now and then.

The crystal clear waters running effortlessly through the glassy plains making chimming sounds that strangely could also be reconciled with the 9choir music, strange birds of gold flew around and the golden mansions gleamed from the beam of a strange but very bright light.

Angels could be seen heading towards every direction, their wings folded behind their backs neatly and their white robes tied around the chest with golden sashes touching the very ground their walked on.

some where in a hurry getting to their destination, others were taking their time while some already were flying as fast as they could to meet up with time, the 'Heaven Mass Transit' headed for earth was almost full about to make it's usual daily visit to earth so angels could deliver their messages and also carry back messages to heaven.

Just another day among other blissful ones of heavenly activities.

Back on the highest biggest and shiniest mansions of the host, a throne stood with another on it's side.

There sat a figure, old figure but weirdly still so young and vibrant, shiny robes that could dwarf the reflections of a diamond on a sunny day, he hung one leg on one part of the throne with his head leaned towards the other and his hand supporting his head from under his cheek with a face that betrayed a lot of boredom.

God sat, bored but with an aura of eternal authority looking dreamly at nothing exactly as his bored mind dreamed far away from the usual maneuvers of heaven that went on around.

the other smaller throne at his side was empty but there were 24 other thrones, nothing fancy but still were fashionable.

On these 24 sat 24 manly elderly figures each with a crown with a name written in the heavenly language on it, every now and then they would go down on their knees, remove their crowns and bowed their heads touching the glassy floors singing.

"holy holy holy our lord god almighty
who is like thee in all heavens and earth"

then they would stand up again put their crowns back on and seat back on their thrones the next minute they repeat the same routine.

"Morning Dad!" A young fine well built man greeted the Old Godly one on the big throne.

"You don't look bright today" the young one remarked looking at God's face. "What could be the matter?"

God let out a sigh then slowly looked at his son sighed again betrayed just how bored he was early this morning

"My son, i am totally fine have you forgotten i'm an all powerful God, it's just that......" he paused looked around again then continued "I am just bored, common for eons and eons this 24 guys have been bowing and throwing down their crowns and singing the same shiit over and over again" when he spoke it was not in a hurrying tone.

"Yeah but wasn't that why you made them?" the young one asked still not understanding where God was heading to.

"Uuuhm yeah i know but seriously it's cliche, boring and seriously who does that?"

He shook his head after taking another quick scan of everything, it was still the same thing, Angel Findel was just cleaning the door of the throne room as he always does this particular time in the day, he could see Duriel fixing up the curtains.

"I really need something exciting, eheeee let me call Lucifer and see what he's up to?" an idea suddenly popped up and he beamed down a smile but the young one rather wore a disappointed and disapproving look.

"Lucifer dad, really? Seriously i don't like that guy, he is always acting weird and cunning and shadowy" the younger one remarked.

"Jesus, he is your brother why the long face and complaints" he finally called the younger one by name"

"Fine Dad" Jesus said in resignation.

God picked up the receiver of a golden telephone beside him with diamond, sapphire number buttons, dialed some numbers and placed the receiver on his ear and the other end towards his mouth.

dropped it after a while and repeated the same thing over again.

"He is not picking up" He announced his smile fading slowly.

"Oh thank goodness" Jesus said in relief "are you surprised Dad, he has probably gone off as usual he never stays at home down there in hell, always running around like a priest without parish"

"Yeah your are probably right" God said thought for a while and decided to call the royal court secretary angel Sechel who appeared without delay.

"Any different schedule today?" God asked.

"Yes almighty, today you have a meeting with all your sons" angel Sechel read out looking at the bold golden letters that spelled out the day's schedule from his book. '10:50aon meeting with all the sons of God'

"Oh yeah, it is today?" God's face gleamed up again "And lucifer will be there definitely he never misses a meeting" he clapped out excitedly.

"Oh not again!" Jesus bemoaned and walked off slowly.

"Yeah complain all you want but lucifer is fun, he probably will come up with some exciting things for us to carry out and cure this boredom" he said after Jesus' resigning figure.

Sighed and leaned back on his throne allowing his mind dream away on the on coming meeting.

Continued in next episode...

The story you are about to read is a fantasy, a fictitious work of the writer Johnydon22 inspired by the biblical myth of Job.

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By virtue of your beliefs if you'll find this work of literature offensive to your person or belief please DO NOT READ!!!

But if you care to read, see it as a work of literature inspired by a fascinating myth for your pleasure or as a tickle for some deep serious thoughts..

The writer is not responsible for how ever this story makes you feel, happy, sad or angry. That is sorely your business.


I'll be posting episode by episode ..

In order to make reading easier i will be adding links that will take the reader directly to the episode they want to read for easy access.

Episode 1

Episode 2

Episode 3

Episode 4

Episode 5

Episode 6

Episode 7

Episode 8

Episode 9

Episode 10

Episode 11 New Update

This is wonderful, we are making progress little by little...

If i die and it turns out there is an afterlife and a god after all, what i will do?

I'd first ask which one are you?

Sometimes even though i try to hold myself seeing posts like this make me sad to my marrows how religious beliefs and simplistic superstitions has murdered youthful minds in africa.

How on earth is Mars being to the earth something ominous to warrant the nonsensical 'end time mantra'

The two planets have elliptical orbits around the sun and have their closest and farthest points to the sun within this orbital journeys so are bound to have situations of being closest and farthest from each other from orbital calibration..

the closest the planets could come together would be when Mars is
at its closest point to the sun (perihelion) and Earth is at its farthest point
(aphelion). In that situation, the planets would be 33.9 million miles (54.6
million kilometers) from each other.

emrain:
You need help. Smh

Tell me how he needs help? How is this 'smh' a refutation for his posts? . . . .

emrain:
All for what?

Superiority contest? Smh.

Nigerians!

It is a freethinker's discussion not a debate. . . we are not inviting religious people.

Just want to discuss several topics amongst ourselves and learn from each other...

I believe Shaking your head is misplaced, you should have just kept it to yourself

reallest:
I pity ur black ass dat I will burn till eternity

I will drown you in hell water instead

dblackninja:
@ johnydon22 Finished reading about the Fermi's paradox. In a summary what's your take on the paradox. Do you accept Enrico Fermi's view?

My thoughts are

-If there actually are intelligent extra-terrestrials more advanced than us then they probably are ignoring us as we most likely are ignoring ants who we see less intelligent than us.

we can't teach ants physics as they won't understand so it's of no use. so myabe these being likely do see us as per their intellect the way we see ants in intellect.

- Technological intelligence is rare in the universe even at that considering the number of planets it could still amount to millions if not trillions if live evolved on other planets.

But may like us they are all young species still trying to figure out left from right and have not developed enough tech to explore deep space.

the possibilities are endless

Meanwhile I saw an article somewhere about the solutions to the paradox.

Whats your take on it, and what's this solution according to the article?

OgundeleT:
johnydon22.. see one of ur product, hell await you o. lols

Hahahahahaha

Gombs:
If God could spilt the red Sea, make water come out of a dry rock, make an 80 year old bear a child, why marvel at a small thing as a man knowing color he never knew since he was blind from birth...

In a fairy tale book, the day you split a sea then you can come here and talk, i am sure muhammed also rode a flying horse and split the moon in the Quranic fairytale

Do you know what it means to be made whole?

We get that from hospitals

cloudgoddess:
You sure do love making false equivalences.

Most child's talks are meant to ignored, not everyone that seeks attention deserves to get one at least only when they seek it with a normal reason