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HardMirror:
I know. Thanks for the heads up

I have this idea of Organizing a Live Discussion or Seminar for freethinkers, irreligious, religious who ever is interested.

But maybe we will start with a Seminar for freethinkers, deists, pantheists, atheists, agnostics, irreligious and with time we could consider putting christians and muslims into the picture.

what do you think? Typing is becoming more ....tiring...

Live chat will be fun

HardMirror:
They don't think of this.
The motto is let's leave it to god. In the last day we shall know. Just serve god and make heaven

Lets be fair nobody actually thought of it when you are neck deep in a religious belief only when you unshackle from it.

Millex:
I read it and it makes sense I repeat God doesn't need man's verification to be real.

says a man who was quoting from a book written by man Dastardly ironic and funny!!!

urahara:
.............. And wasnt god gambling with job.

A serious unsure gamble. . . It baffles me, this was supposed to be an all knowing entity got easily swayed and taunted by the devil

CoolUsername:
I'm so jelly right now!

take Gelosil

matrix199:
Are we still on this matter? I thought this argument would have stopped by now. It's a stalemate. The christians won't budge, neither would the deep thinkers.



If the "Cs" think they're on the right track, when they die, they'll find out if they are or not. If the "As" think they're on the right track, they'll find out as well.

We just having fun boss keeping the thread afloat, it will be a great read for a long time for coming Religiolanders

Ayomikun37:
Is God going to enforce his will on man in heaven, or is he going to give them free will?

they always forget this question when swimming in the fantasy of an eternal blissful paradise.

will freewill be taken away from man? then man's existence in Paradise will be nothing more than a zombie-like existence just like a robot gallivanting up and down in an infinite repetition forever... who in the world wants to live like that?

Will man also have freewill in heaven? then the same problem will occur all over again as an exercise of freewill.

and we are back again to the same show all over again..

wirinet:
No. Humans would never evolve into something else in the one day , it will take tens of millennia according to environmental and ecological changes. Evolution is a gradual process of allowing living things to adapt to changing climatic and ecological conditions. Without evolution, all living creatures on this planet would have been extinct by now.

Your pascal wager cost you more than a dime. First it will cost you millions if not tens if millions of naira in the guise of tithes and offerings, but it will cost you much more in time wasted. Time you should have used to add value to yourself and the world in general, you are wasting in church services, fellowships, night vigils, Etc. For example, the op is obviously a very brilliant and gifted fellow, imagine what he would have achieved for himself and his society had he used the energy and efforts he used for Christian activities for more productive activities?

He invoked Pascal wager to show that religious beliefs are really driven by uncertainty, he is unsure that is why he would rather opt for a gamble like the pascl wager.

And affirms religious beliefs are fueled by fear and that fear drives their faith. . He is afraid of what a God might do to him in case it turns out to be real and is belief monger and childishly vain.

So that fear drives his belief and faith.

I think Myths, fantasies and religions are like a drug.. People would rather take the easy religious pill of gullible faith and believe things that will make them feel all good warm and cozzy in a world of unparalleled delusion.

Rather than brace up, shed off these myths and see the world as it really is whether it feels good or not..

We should all judge our progress by courage of our questions and the depth of our answers and our sincerity to agree with what is true rather than believe what we want because it feels good.

neoapocalypse:
I'll recommend he reads the Codex Gigas, the Devils Bible as we know it.

they are all the same bullshiit.. regurgitating the same myth and crap all over and over

DrDxtrz:
Lol claro, obviously he realized he made a ridiculous statement.

i am not sure he does or ever will

swaggzo:

BRO YOU AND THE OTHERS TALK TOO MUCH. YOU TRY TO BACK YOUR SELF UP TO THESE GUYS LIKE THE BIBLE IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

MAN THAT BOOK IS SIMPLY FUNNY. I CAN'T STRESS MY SELF TALKING ABOUT THAT WHOLE LOAD OF CRAP.


RELIGION WAS CREATED AND DESIGNED BY MERE MEN.

AND NOW THEY KNOW THEY CANNOT MODIFY ANY PART OF IT CUZ THE WORLD HAS GROWN UP TO A HIGHER LEVEL OF EXPOSURE, AND THE FAKENESS OF THE BOOK IS NOW BEING RECOGNIZED BY EVEN TODLERS, THEY'RE TRYING TO REMIX IT BY CREATING DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THE BOOK, CHANGING CERTAIN NAMES OF PEOPLE AND PLACES IN AN ATTEMPT TO COVER UP THE SCAM AND MAKE THE COMIC BOOK SEEM MORE AUTHENTIC. ..

BUT IT ONLY GETS FUNNIER!

hahahahahahaha isn't it funny how every religion lays claim to the words of God but humans are the ones doing the talking?

wirinet:
The story of Job paint God and Devil not as enemies or adversaries as assumed by Christians but as competitors for man's worship and loyalty. That god and Satan can sit around the same table and discuss shows the is no mortal hatred between the two.

Asin eeeeeehn ... isn't ridiculous how some people believe the alleged creator of the vast cosmos comes to a tiny lost planet amongst countless others.

and starts struggling for worship and loyalty of tiny men

7Randall:
This is the more reason we need to pray for those who don't believe in God. You can't just wake up into existence. There muse be something or someone behind it

But their is nothing behind God's own existence?

Following your line of logic since something Must be behind every existence then something must be behind God's existence and that thing in turn also must have another thing behind it's existence and we enter an infinite regress of somethings

But if you say there is nothing behind the existence of God then you have shown that something can exist without another thing being behind it and that makes rubbish of your whole argument.

DrDxtrz:
Lol please drop the query, that was a ludicrous statement he/she made.

E tire me bros. . . People don't actually think before posting any rubbish that comes to their mind online

kolinz:
Your evolution theory,
Now educate me on the origin of man

Again incorrect, where did the evolution theory assert that man is billions of years old

Why is it that people always argue ignorantly over what they don't even know... I am sure you never read a book on evolution.

wirinet:
You people are so in love with fairy tales, so much so that your whole existence is rooted in fairy tales.
Now, if God and Devil are always also conferencing to test humans on who commands more loyalty between the two of them, why disturb the rest of humanity? Let two of them get into the ring and test their powers or popularity, it has nothing to do with the rest of humanity.

The story of Job painted a rather simpleton-like God who could be easily swayed by just a little trick of the devil.

"Just take away all his wealth and you will see he will renounce you" Said the devil.

God thought for a while and was like "Hhmmm eeehm ok let's do it"
(for goodness sake he was supposed to be all knowing!!! )

how come such taunting childish trick worked on him, like seriously

The bible paints a rather ignorant, childish, easily taunted and deceived concept still claiming all powerful, all knowing which contradicts all it's actions in the bible

yungchop:
even if there is no god, live like there is!

you are not even understanding your own words.

How does one live as if there is a God or vice versa?

yungchop:
its a simple statement. Its a double chance option. that is to say if you're the confused type just live in peace.

This doesn't answer the question sir.. my question was what exactly does "live as if there is a God" mean?

kolinz:
Great one from you, since you guys don't believe in the existence of any God or god could you please tell me here what you believe to be the true account of the creation of earth and the origin of man using empirical evidence.

Take the following in consideration,
1, logic is not enough to counter the existence of God i. e because u don't believe doesn't mean he doesn't exist.

Oh logic is not enough to counter the existence of any fantasy i can imagine up here..

example: There is a pink diamond flying blue white unicorn somewhere in space...

that you probably don't believe it doesn't mean it doesn't exist and that i believe it will never make it true..

So you see? It is left for me to substantiate my claim and not just claim logic cannot counter it, if i can't then it is just a baseless claim...

same goes for your claim of God(s).. if you cannot substantiate then it is a baseless claim and there is nothing to counter

empirico-rantionalism...

2, man have existed for over a billion years

This is incorrect i wonder where you got that

yungchop:
Live like there's a God, if there isn't a God then you have nothing to lose, but if there is? you're safe!! its simple logic..

Please sir tell us what you mean by that bolded phrase?

cckris:
You UNDERSTAND them?Mohammed that raided caravans, & enjoined his followers to do likewise is not a TERRORIST?
Usman dan Fodio that without provocation, destroyed flourishing & peaceful Hausa states is not a TERRORIST?
Wetin be your own definition of terrorism?

Good question

urahara:
The movie gods not dead reinforces this daft stereotype.


Meanwhile johnnydon22" when shall i be expecting my godchild"(in patience ozokwor voice ). Name him urahara.

soon

PastorAIO:
I think I get what many here have been wanting the OP to get to.

They were waiting for some traumatic event in the story of the op that would explain his change of beliefs.

Armed with such a traumatic incident they can explain away his apostasy by saying that it's an emotional reaction.

As the op told the story though it seems that it was a slow process of rational evaluation. Very unsatisfying.


Very unsatisfying.

They always want to imagine that it takes a traumatic event in the life of someone to make them change stance in religion and God(s).

but this is an ill conceived lie, the real cause is really curiosity …

stepping out of bound, a hunger to know more...

I always point out to people that atheists are not the ones crying in crusade grounds seeking favour from heaven when ever they say situations caused their change of stance.

it's outrightly ridiculous.

Like you pointed out they were actually expecting that part in the OP's story but it was a different case caused by a conflict of his personal reason with his beliefs.

it's rather disappointing indeed.

kolinz:
FAITH IS WHAT ATHEIST LACK.

Yes because Faith is the excuse people give themselves to believe something that they absolutely have no reason to believe at all in the first place.

Faith is what it takes to believe something you ordinarily wouldn't have believed.

I'd rather base my confidence in reason, logic and empirical study other than blind faith because faith in essence is blind and dishonest.

it entails insertion of stoic conviction asserted without reason and needs to be protected against all reason.

none of us needs faith when something is clearly evidential, it is only when people want to substitute emotions for proof and fantasy for reality that they invoke faith.

If you only need faith to believe something then it's obvious you have no reason to believe it at all

urahara:
Uncle johnnydon22 answer my question is she freecocoa

Biko leave me jooor … Amebo

soulpeppersoup:
Now compare the book the people you mentioned read. Who wrote it? how did he live his live? Did those who read his books follow his steps?

I say read book that you will like to resemble. For giving yourself to enjoying books on this kind of topic tells me where you will end up tomorrow if your not already one

..LOL.. Its useless engaging this one

soulpeppersoup:
Do you know most serial killers are a product of information (books they read) they have acquired.

Yes for example BOKO HARAM and ISIS .. they did exactly what you suggest we do, read only one book, develop a belief around it and shut our mind out from every other book..

You are literally asking humans to become simpletons just to protect some shabby weak beliefs.

Blind conformity to an authority is the greatest enemy of truth so too is Blind faith to a belief is the greatest enemy of truth..

HardMirror:
Only lies survive that way.
If the bible is the truth no need telling people to be careful what they read.
No matter how much I tell you that if I cut off your head you won't die, does it make it true. No matter stories of people you read that tells you that if your head is cut off you will live, does it make it true.
The bible claims to be universal truth so no need trying to protect it. Truth can protect itself

The truth should be naked, plain and simple. it does not fear conflicting ideas or is vulnerable to contradicting ideas.

It is open to scrutiny and questions, that is how it grows.

Anything afraid of scrutiny and questions, any thing that discourages doubt and scepticism to uphold blind faith is not far from being a fat lie.

But notice how the bible/quran are always to be protected from questions, scrutiny and people discouraged from doubt in their quest for enlightenment...

that is the trademark of a large destroying lie

Absurdities should be scrutinized and questioned not swallowed ...

HardMirror:
I plan not to marry a Nigerian for many reasons. Won't be easy if both parents are from this country and live in this society.

It will be a long run raising free kids in a country such as this where religions are given the free hand to rub their beliefs on people's face, literally force it down your throat.

-Little kids are taught religion in the school
-in the bus shouts from these religions
-field
-street
-they even bring it to your house
-their loud speakers won't let you rest
-literally everywhere.

It's a long run but it's doable

HardMirror:
I would be rounding up with my next post. But before that.

I DID NOT OPEN THIS TOPIC TO MAKE PEOPLE DROP THEIR RELIGION
This thread is only to make information available to those who need this information. I did not have the privilege of reading such a story when I was going through my identity crisis.
It is to educate and make information available ONLY to those who need it.

This is the story of a real person and the details given are all verifiable.

I know thousands appreciate me coming out with this. If you find comfort in god all good for you. It takes a lot of courage to drop god and only very responsible people can dare it. If you are not strong and ready to take full responsible for your life and actions, pls keep your religion. Dropping religion is not a joke. No false hope to keep you going, you face reality squarely.

Thanks everyone for the comments so far.

I am here to have fun. I have opened some ridiculous threads in the past and I will open more in future. Not here to please anyone.

Will be signing out soon. Already missing romance section were we discuss rubbish.

Carry on .. we deh here, na we deh here, na we get am

Well go on, i've got your back

urahara:
You truly are the luckiest bastard.
Is she freecocoa .


Doesnt beeing agnostic make one automatically an atheist .

It does in some way but this time around i intend to keep them pure agnostics as a default state from birth.

when you were born you were never taught to believe in any God so you simple dd not know..

I won't teach them such superstitions will leave them on that default state, teach them the importance of reason and logic in developing ideas.

when they are old enough they can reaffirm what they want

Loisemm:
Lolzz. I sure wont get into you people's arguments. Wont do me no good. Some situations that turned around 360 degrees in my favour, miracles and healings, getting things I never imagined etc are some personal proofs to me of God's existence. I alone could not have made some of those mega things to happen to me. So bros, there is indeed a God...

Just take a look... i knew this was what to come

Children are dying of hunger everyday, famine are killing in it's thousands everyday and all other dire problems facing millions on earth.

But oh the children that die don't matter neither is the ones dying of famine relevant, the Christians are busy thinking the alleged creator of the universe is turning their situation around, making circus shows and miracles cus maybe you are more deserving than them?

you deserve for the creator of the cosmos to solve your little problems but not the serious fatal ones happening in their millions.

if there is anything responsible for solving problems but choose to dabble into childish cases as the ones you listed above and not serious world troubles like Children dying of cancer, then that is a sheer mark of imbecility and misplaced priority.

Someone who worships a stone would credit his positive situations to the stone too, this is just some shabby belief..

Ridiculous...!!!