₦airaland Forum

wordcat:
Location matters, most atheists here on nairaland are in Lagos

we'll put that into consideration, Lag will be a good place though

wordcat:
Not a bad idea but involving muslims is a no no no.

Lets leave out Muslims and Christians and other organized religions out of it for now...

Just organize our talk show among ourselves and discuss

wordcat:
Lol Good you know. Muslims are the worst people to argue with in any issue that has to do with religion

Yeah but we could organize seminars for discussions for irreligious folks .. Atheists, agnostics, pantheists, deists and what have you.

wordcat:
If you have a friend who's a muslim, just try have an argument with him about his faith for like 5 minutes

I don't have a close up muslim friend, you rarely find muslims this part of the country.

And i'm not gonna try it if you see the kind of animosity NL muslims argue with you'll understand that they have a very innate terrorist tendency in the name of Islam.

IamRespected:
Although it's not really pleasurable for me as an individual but if she gives I will accept

Chai bros make una deh talk true for once naaaa unless of course the person weh give you na complete novice..

shoyemiayodeji:
Good I guess you have to laugh again in Arabic when u go on Google search for miracles on the above case and come back here to say it is acted .

Oh i just googled it and couldn't find 1 case of any deity healing an amputated limb with pictorial evidence.

but here

https://media.ottobock.com/prosthetics/knees/x3/andrew_x3_ramp_169c_content_16_9_teaser_onecolumn.jpg

Science is doing what all the 4,000 deities humanity ever conceived cannot do do not even 1 real case!!!

That is really curious and funny!

wordcat:
My guy, I won't be fun debating with a muslim not to talk of muslims

before Allahu akbah and kadooooooom!!! right?

urahara:
No where did he say it is impossible to be one . he is simply asking you why you believe the creator is 1 and not 1 million creators.

I'm simply tired of repeating the same simple question over and over again and getting unnecessary rigmarole without an answer.

they all think 1 is less an assumption than 200,000,000

BiafranNigerian:
Depends on what you called and call God. You are a part of what God is, every photon is part of the whole called God. We are a spark of God having an earthly experience. Earth itself is a bigger spark of God, so it the sun and the entire things in the universe and multiverses. Soul is the photon that powers all existence and brain is the interface that modulates the frequencies and channel the energy to our organs. This is purely scientific.I could not rationalize God without the science behind it.

Religion is just a tool that ignorant people use to seek God and its just too confusing. Yes, I was theist, I became atheist, still I am in the context of religion, pantheism made more sense, but then I am in that place of God realization that I came to know that the God I have been searching for, I am a part of it, I am God experience earthly existence.

Hhmmm pantheisn... Profound Philosophy!

H2Ossss:
@ jonnydon and urahara... really respect you guys.. wish God can reveal himself to you guys in a way you cant deny his existence.. i hope sooner rather than later.. and you open a thread saying 'once a born again atheist, now a Pastor'... lol... hardmirror complete our story ohh...

Hahahahaha a public announcement as God allegedly did during Jesus' baptism in the bible would be nice.

We wonder how God went awol when we got video cameras after he usually showed his talents well in the bible

Let me draw out another discussion that i will take On when my phone is charged..

You know the bible paints a human-like God, even has a back as moses saw so more or less looks like humans.

Do you have that idea of a personal (can be said to be a person) God?

H2Ossss:
lol... i remember.. quite funny.. but who your wisdom epp?

hahahahaha nobody im wisdom epp oo my brother

H2Ossss:
you do this stuff for fun ehh? lol

Yes but in the real essence i do it out of respect for human intellect.

urahara:
If god is so real, you wouldnt have to tell us

Only a man made God need man to make itself known to man. . . . All religions boast of the WORD OF GOD(s) but always notice that humans are the ones doing the talking and the writings for it.

zzzzy:
what I'm trying to say is that we do not have enough information to rule out the existence of God. We haven't even found out enough information about oyr own earth. Recently, i read an article about blackholes eating stars more than physics would allow. I actually took that as how we think physics will allow. We are lacking much info

Exactly! Neither is our lack of information necessary to invoke a God in the equation...

That we don't know doesn't mean a deity did it, it simply means We don't know

So let us be sincere and accept we don't know than invoke primitive superstitions to fill a gap left by ignorance going exactly the same road the ancient men went.

we are far better than that..

We are lacking much info yes it is true and this calls for more study, observation and scrutiny.

not an avenue to simply assume up a god and fill the gap marring our ability to probe and know what actually happened.

Like i told urahara above

Gods may exist or not, we do not know but they are not needed to explain the cosmos or other random natural manifestations.

If you cannot find some other places to place your God(s) except behind the
curtain of scientific ignorance then just as history has proven "God" will always
remain an ever receding factor in the face of scientific breakthrough.

Once upon a time humanity thought hurricanes was because God(neptune) was
pissed off, we now know the cause of hurricanes and God (neptune) has been
canceled from that equation.

Lack of information is a call for study not for assumption!!!

urahara:
It ll go like this

........................... Johnny since u have admitted u dont know everything about the universe , doesnt that prove that there is a jewish god who hates gays and loves the smell of meat.

I am used to that argument "if you don't know this then God did it" that is a sad appeal to ignorance using "God" not as an answer but as a placeholder for ignorance.

Once that problem is solved God shatters from the equation and moves on to the next curtain of ignorance.

I have always told them: Gods may exist or not, we do not know but they are not needed to explain the cosmos or other random natural manifeststions

If you cannot find some other places to place your God(s) except behind the curtain of scientific ignorance then just as history as proven "God" will always remain an ever receding factor in the face of scientific breakthrough.

Once upon a time humanity thought hurricanes was because God(neptune) was pissed off, we now know the cause of hurricanes and God (neptune) has been canceled from that equation.

the appeal to ignorance and employment of God of the gap argument never works brother

zzzzy:
what percentage do you know yourself?

If you have anything to say just go right ahead and bring it out cus i am sure there is no known statistic to what i personally know about the cosmos.

Let me hope this won't be another appeal to ignorance argument.

zzzzy:
just wanted to mention you. That was the closest post.

Alright you just and i know we do know up to 5% of what is to know about this vast deep and weird cosmos..

Anything else sir?

zzzzy:
what percentage of info on the universe do you think mankind have?

what has that got to do with my question or what i am discussing exactly?

absoluteSuccess:
OK I got that.
We humans are the measure of the universe, get it.
I believe your premise is from the look of things as with "human race".

If the creator is of the same descriptions as humans, as regards to race, then he is the godfather of gods.

As long as you ascribe to "race", then your present argument favors one or more race for gods.
If human beings is a race, god being are also god race, their number increases like our numbers.
This makes gods extraterrestrial intelligences that exist in the space,

a different species of "man kind" (intelligent life) in other planet(s).
I'm trying to map your concept of gods to establish a framework of discourse.

Let me just simplify the premise for you.

Since you think there can exist 1 creator to cause the universe, since there can be such a being and not nothing at all since the odd rests on a 50/50 chance.

Then how are you to think that if there can be 1 of such there cannot be 100,000,000 of them all as uncaused as the one you assumed for the universe and all unanimous in the causality of the universe.

Do you think 1 makes less of an assumption than 1000? if there can be 1 then there can be 10000000 of them..

freecocoa:
Devil that he was supposed to be quarrelling with o, btw.

How can you chase someone out of your kingdom for insubordination, yet entertain that person's request to try and shame you?

Very serious tales by the moonlight

HardMirror:
I am a published writer and I did not publish or market my book in Nigeria. So will cross that huddle when I get there. Make nigerians no kill my career.

Hahahahaha eheee better!!!

urahara:
Nigerians are more inclined to read books like possessing your possession. God of overnight mirqcle. And prayerpoints against witchcraft

I am considering writing one of those soon ... lol..

absoluteSuccess:
The answer is, you are not interested in either one or billion, but a quest to be right. That's self-defense.

I am not interested in back and forth games. Tell me the characteristics of the billion of gods you know.

Not really sir i think you are the one assuming i am on self defence thereby going on self defence.

I am sure my question was very simple..

Why do you think a creator of universal causality should only be 1 and not a whole race of such beings just like humans are creators but we are 7billion not 1 ?

I hope you reply

Ok guys please nobody should derail this sweet thread with emotional straw mans and insults please.

Let's keep in interesting and educating!!! HardMirrow, urahara no more insults no matter how pissed off you get please bosses.

In a way that scepticism is applied in the issue of public concern like religion there is a always an unsaid tendency to belittle and condescend and ignore the facts that deluded or not supporters of superstitions and pseudoscience are humans with feelings too who like all are also trying to figure out how the world works and what our role in it might be.

Their motives and ideas sometimes are consonants with science and realities but since these cultures has not provided them everything they need, let us therefore tamper scepticism with kind words.

None of us comes fully equipped.

If we take this condescending part, it will never turn out well.

HardMirror:
I am writing a sci-fi novel about cybergenic Immortality. Know anyone who is a good writer and inclined to scientific gibberish?

Teempakguy or SirWere i think but do you think Sci-fi novel is a good idea in a country like Nigeria?.

Asin like this Nigeria Nigeria ooo Bro it's 9ja ooo

HardMirror:
Jeez! Why are people so dumb?
Where did I say I believe in heaven. You don't even know when someone is making a sarcastic statement.
Jeez!
Jonnydon22 are these the people you want to have live chat with? :-O

I weak abeg asin eeeehn serious weak This one pass me oo

chubbyswit:
now i know u're a fool, no offence, you just confessed that God exists and have even experienced him. Why have you then made up your mind to insult him? Are you trying to drag people down with you with all these lies?

Blood of God !!! More incoming!!! I am dead, where do these guys come out from that sarcasm is so elusive than a programming code

HardMirror:
I have stated my ground.
Got no biz with christians and muslims. That is what many of them here fail to understand.

urahara:
I m. In

Good ...!!!

Zzyco:
So you now believe there is heaven? God cannot be mock , he will surely get back to you.. Am laughing at you.

Jesus Christ like PastorAIO said if Sarcasm actually comes and slaps these guys in the face there still wouldn't recognize it..

I am short of words

swaggzo:

BEFORE THAT, MAYBE A SOCIAL NETWORK GROUP WOULD BE OKAY FOR A START??

There are many of such groups on facebook, i have been invited to many of them but not really interested neither do i take facebook serious... rarely log in.

But we do have a Nairaland Freethinkers lodge on whatsapp though..

So we need to slowly take that step and organize discussions.

i also have ideas for science seminars and debates, that i will take up with LoJ, Teempakguy, Blackjewelry, Joshuabase , SirWere and others

urahara:
I think thats a swell idea

Lets plan then

HardMirror:
Life chat with freethinkers - Fine.
Life chat with christians and muslims - OYO

Hahahahaha i have debated many, pastors, Jehovah witnesses even bus preachers, there is nothing new.

it will be fun... You game?

urahara:
A gamble that cost poor job his children and properties. EVEN HIS SERVANTS. WHY THE Bleep DID THE SERVANTS HAVE TO GET INVOLVED. EVEN ANIMALS

It's a ridiculous story but its not a surprise nearly 2billion people believe it after all up to 1.8billion believe one medieval dirty sun baked arab man rode a flying horse named Buraq.

People can believe anything once it involved Blind faith and reason thrown out of the window