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analice107:
Did you hear that God was going to spare the city if Ten (according to you) innocent people, children or not were found in that city? Weren't children and pregnant women included in the intercession?
there was no innocent human being in that city.
Oga, it's like this. Look at my mouth. God created everything and everyone. It is his earth. He makes the rules. You keep those rules or you rebel and join Satan in hell.

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frank317:
wow! you must be living in real fear. I understand how you feel. You just can't comprehend the fact that people actually exist freely without fear of hell or your mythical God. Its difficult for you to understand and accept right? lol...

Deep inside us we know its true? like, seriously? Is this what you tell yourself? You jut stay in your bedroom, read our mind and guess its a mind of fear just like yours?

guy... you need salvation.

Asin eeeehn no be small thing my brother ... People don't want to hear the truth cus they don't want their illusions destroyed..

I won't stoop low as to reply these emotion yarns up there.. the truth has been said i know it hurts many people, i don't apologize for it

analice107:
How is it a threat? Malvis asked you a question. Telling a guy "Smokers are likely to die of lung Cancer" Is it a threat or warning? Answer pls.

Here is the actual case

If the person offering you salvation is exactly the same person threatening you, then it is not salvation but blackmail, tyranny and sheer abuse.

she said God doesn't send you to hell but your rebellion, who exactly prepared hell..

you?

Check another similar scenario.

Mr John was walking along the way enjoying the music from his newly bought phone, and then all of a sudden Mr Yahweh jumps out with a gun pointed at John's face.

Give me that Phone or i shoot you..

Now John has two options either give the phone to Mr Yahweh and live or refuse and bite the bullet.

Mr John rebels and refuses and Mr Yahweh pulls the trigger and runs later apprehended by the police and charged to court.

His lawyer Analice107 makes a case for him, she rents.

"Your honour, Mr Yahweh here is innocent of murder, Mr john actually committed suicide"

"How so?" Asked the baffled judge.

"Your honour, my dear mr Yahweh lovingly asked Mr John for his phone or he gets the bullet and this is rooted in Mr John's freewill, he either chooses to obey the authority or choose the bullet.

He chose the bullet by refusing and rebelling against my dear loving mr yahweh. so you see, it was not Mr yahweh that killed mr John rather it was Mr John's rebellion and refusal to comply with the demands of the loving gentle Yahweh."

And then the Judge declares Yahweh innocent.

So you see?

As she said, Yahweh is innocent of abuse and blackmail by threatening you with hell just as much as an armed robber who demands your phone or get shot is innocent of abuse and blackmail.

they are both warning you on what will happen if you refuse

analice107:
Yes, atheist loose sleep over it.
You don't think I expect you to admit it.
If you don't lose sleep over it, you wld ignore it, but you can't. God doesn't exist but you won't let the matter lie. Anywhere Christians gather, like Satan, you guys are there. Why? We are delude, stupid and all other insults you hip on us, but you can't see us gather and you rest.
Deep down you seriously wish these things are not true. But you know there are that's why it bothers and eat you guys up.
You've advised, dont that road trip with the guy.

Haaaa as usual

analice107:
Oh finally we see that Johnnydon's ish is not that God doesn't exist at all, but that God is Wicked, tyrannical and sadistic right? Man, you have got issues.

As usual the point is lost to you... as a matter of fact i think your God is completely an ancient assumption and does not exist.

and then this post is not an attack on any particular religion or God concept but on all religions that reveres a God concept that has such abhorrent characteristics as the OP mentioned.

so this is not a debate of whether any deity exists or not but showing people the idiocy in glorifying completely disturbing beliefs and chronic sadism.

and perhaps free many minds still clutched deep in the bonds of these religious blackmail and abuse.

I have freed many of such and still do

" Most of these beliefs and myths are relics of an ignorant primitive past, holding
such to be true is an insult to modern human intellectual development and
holding the barbarism to be right is an insult to modern human ethical
positions.

Some mistake my reasons as rebellion when i make nonsense of these myths,
that is so wrong..

Such myths and ignorant philosophies are unworthy of modern humans, maybe
good for entertainment but when peddled as truth is an enemy of truth so
becomes a dangerous value.

I dispel these myths and absurd belief not out of rebellion but out of respect to
human ethical position and intellect."

MrPresident1:
The point is proved that Oduduwa the famed ancestor of the Yoruba ia an Annunaki who came from the skies or heaven.

The onus is on you to prove that Amadioha is the father or ancestor of the Igbo race.

I don't think he ever said Amadioha is the father of Igbo race...

Rossikki:
Amadioha, the fearsome Igbo god, is said to have descended from the sky in a hail of thunder and flashing light.

Naijaboy007:
The religious bigots will say it doesn't make sense

because they can't understand


Btw op nice poem. Pls keep posting something like this to make my day

I was so impressed by the beautiful poem and then salient points it made that i couldn't help applaud lawani for the beautiful piece

CoolUsername:
You're no longer trying to make a point. Could it be that you've lost this argument?

ad hominems always betrays the one who have lost a reasonable basis for their arguments.

dorox:
Josh from the illustration given by the op is a bad man whose relationship with Mary is abusive, and his love for her is like a prison of nightmares that anyone would be happy to be freed from. It would be disingenuous for us to say that there is no truth to what the op is saying and to dismiss it as unworthy of deliberation.
However we slice and dice it, the concept of everlasting torture in fire can never be reconciled wih a loving God. Continuing with the analogy of the op, let us assume that Mary owes her existence to Joseph her creator who made her out of clay and gave her the ability to think and feel. Most religions believes that if Mary does not please her master/ creator he has the right to keep her in a furnace that is so hot and painful but incapable of killing her as an everlasting punishment to her disobedience of a few years. How sick is that? To me this is the height of wickedness, bringing someone to existence of your free will and not given the person a choice to stop existing should the person choose to do so.

You did more justice to it boss!!!

UncleSnr:
The truth is that logically, we all are going to hell... Allah will burn the Christians and co, while Yahweh burns the Muslims and other sects.

@Johnydon22 Thanks for trying to bring humanity into people.

Most of these beliefs and myths are relics of an ignorant primitive past, holding such to be true is an insult to modern human intellectual development and holding the barbarism to be right is an insult to modern human ethical positions.

Some mistake my reasons as rebellion when i make nonsense of these myths, that is so wrong..

Such myths and ignorant philosophies are unworthy of modern humans, maybe good for entertainment but when peddled as truth is an enemy of truth so becomes a dangerous value.

I dispel these myths and absurd belief not out of rebellion but out of respect to human ethical position and intellect.

Thank you to brother!!!

IAmTobore:
Stick to your beleif. And I will stick to mine. I see no big deal there.

This will never save your beliefs from criticism and even ridicule when it is ridiculous ... It is the long whip of sceptic criticism that has been keeping religions on a leash without it, things would have gone out of hand.

osesology:
This is really wonders. I believe the scientists must have an explanation for this.

This is your answer below

annunaki2:
This is perfectly natural, this occurs when a typhoon or hurricane passes through a river or lake. Fishes in the lake are picked up and they travel with the hurricane till it weakens, when it weakens, the fish fall back to land.

the phenomenon waterspout... Good one Annunaki

Mark 16:18
They will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison,
it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and
they will get well."

The pastor was a more bible believing Christian, others will give you one excuse or the other to dodge carrying out the biblical litmus test of a christian above

They all know shiit doesn't work

The Christians has gone mad again they never disappoint when show casing unparalleled imbecility and gullibility.

Africa!!! #Sighs It's well

lawani:
I got the job and took a loan
And did the job on Sabbath day
And Jehovah went berserk!


All year long the famine raged
With pork I fed the starving child
And Allah went berserk!



Out the trees we wouldnt breathe
So to the forests we made a bow
And Jehovah went berserk!


70 virgins and booze in Allahville
On Earth, I took a pint of beer
And Allah went berserk!



He sacrificed self to self on a cross
I sacrificed a cock and to eat
And Jehovah went berserk!



The Father God is always there
We follow His lead by divination
And Jehovah went berserk!

This is a very deep salient message deep in a classical eloquence of good poetry.. Only the wise will understand the points made here..

Nice one brother!

SidL:
Ok, first of all, don't be rude!

Second


You asked a question, and I answered. Who now is bantering? Who is jumping in? Understand that you are talking to a person next time you say such nasty things.

Thank you.

I asked a question and that post was your answer? then obviously you have a rather convoluted way of bringing up an answer that goes round and touches unnecessary things and doesn't still answer the question.

SidL:
I merely used "God" since that is what most are familiar with. For the record, I am not religious, neither am I into aethiesm, a vibe I'm picking up here.

The source of creation, or what most think they refer to when they say "God" is the "blackness" of space itself. Space is everywhere and it is intelligent.
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And so I asked, what need has "God" for parallel universes as touted by academia and supported by Hollywood of Jet li's The One type-fame?

Your arguments here are interesting, but you are arguing theories made up by people who pretend they know what they are talking about.

It has been said that every conclusion is only as good as the premise upon which it is based. If the premise is in error, so will the conclusion be. Now being that it is... 'human' to base one conclusion atop another, it is self-evident how humankind multiplies its errors in conclusions exponentially and predictably.

Source of Creation or the cosmos or space or God--whatever--is orderly and has no need for parallels of the sort you argue.

What I see here is arguments for arguments sake, more so on conjectures. I mean no disrespect in so saying.

Perhaps if science and religions would be so kind as to extract their heads from their collective rectums to work together as two equal and necessary halfs of a sphere, we as a species would be much further ahead in discovering Truths of Existence.

I initially wrote a long response to this thread in the particlar post your have quoted but scrubbed it. Just fyi. We indeed have much to learn as a species. Religions and science have failed woefully in that regard. It is little wonder why people tell themselves that are atheists, the theologies are truly sickening, but... unfortunately, so is science.

what from whence came all this unnecessary banter and who in the world said i was arguing for a multiverse.

everybody knows when i argue..

and what in the world brought atheism into this..?

This is a discussion on what people think on the Hypothesis of multiverse not an argument please do not go about jumping into what is not there.

from the OP

So now our subject of discussion is, what is your personal opinion about the
state of nature, is it only restricted to 1 universe or is our universe 1 out of
many?

Give your reasons and points for holding such speculation..

Is our universe alone or One out of many??

Now i'd appreciate next time you don't go jump conjuring up arguments where there is none, read things and try to comprehend before meshing up unrelated posts in response, and if what you wrote above is supposed to be an argument then it's totally a pity.

DrLazDevitan:
Science is not a field rendered to satisfy the fraught of religion,rather it should be the opposite...because if science is to satisfy theology,then it is no longer science but a propaganda to pilot affairs of ignoramus based on mind guesses and selfish idiosyncrasies.

Theology is a philosophy of Ignorance because it does not aim at tendering answers objectively true to satisfy the question rather it aims at tendering answers aimed at satisfying the questioner even though untrue.

Don't you it's usual tactics.

Simply get any verse of the bible that is starkly ignorant and falsified by scientific findings then reinterpret it in your own way and say it means something else or it was a metaphor.

that's just what the OP is desperately trying to do.

when a claim is falsified in science it is discarded as bogus and thrown into the trash can of nonsenses, but when a claim is falsified in religion they reinterpret it as a metaphor or allegory..

This is how it works, when science makes a discovery that directly or indirectly debunks a religious claim.

-They reject it as false
-Accuse it as work of the devil
-they say it's biased
-they fight as much as they can to discredit it
-then they go back to the contradicted verse
-reinterpret it
-come out and say it was exactly what their holy book meant

LoJ:
Oh you want a proof that Lion do not eat vegetables? Or you want proofs that the sun does not rotate around the earth (reverse is the case) ?

Well, could you start be explaining to us how according to the Bible, there can be a day and a night on the first day of creation, when the Sun had not yet been created. Then I will give you simple down to earth proofs that Lions do not eat grass.

Greetings

Isn't remarkable how books supposedly dictated by the all powerful creator of the universe still desperately try to reconcile with the punny knowledge of humans..

Humans are proving to be more knowledgeable than the alleged creator of the universe whose knowledge could not surpass that of ancient primitive men who speak for it.

LoJ:
Hello donnffd,
The hypothesis of a multiverse and the quest for a greater understanding of the beginning of what you call reality, are independent. For the hypothesis of a multiverse to be investigated, it does not HAVE to answer all other scientific questions. So I don't see the reason, why Multiverses should not be examined, just because according to some, it may not answer this or that other question, which they hold more imporant.


I mean no offence, but this approach is unscientific. When you proclaim right from the beginning that some questions do not have answers, or that we can't have the answers, you give yourself only one option: to give up.

Back in the middle age. the understanding of earthquakes or the lightning, were inaccessible to men. Today, such phenomenon can be well explained.

So we should not assume that what we don't yet, is unknowable. Whatever is still unknown is just that, unknown. Let's investigate, and with time, passion and consistent efforts, we get a clearer light.

Greetings.

well done brother.. Lalasticlala mynd44 help push this to FP for a bigger audience!!!

SirWere:
so where the hell is alternate universe then, since thorectically we will never be able to contact them.



Seems like a Physicist's wet dream to me

Hahahahahaha this is just a utilization of logic and rationalization to broaden the imagination of what might be.

without empirical confirmation it remains a hypothesis and a blind speculation in essence.

SidL:
What need would 'God' have for parallel universes.

What is God (which ever one you are talking about) doing with this one?

CltrAltDelicious:
Yea right

they have no idea it sounds like a kid telling you there is a ghost in the dark stairs we are just trying to help them understand that they need not fear the ghost as the adults here

malvisguy212:
thank God, you have brain.

to be a theist doesn't mean you should become dumb please upgrade i beg you, start reading and quit always sounding daft

malvisguy212:
very good, if the op has nothing to do with the scripture, why bring christianity into it ?

why are you being purposely daft... Please show me one place the OP mentioned Christianity..

I see you cannot even read, the OP encompassed all theistic religions with threat doctrines and never mentioned one at all.

Please if you cannot show me where the OP mentioned Christianity then it will be your own cup of shame as you cannot even read a simple post

malvisguy212:
yes according to the op, mary is being abuse. BUT what does the BIBLE really say ?

I doubt if you can read at all. . . Please mine is to write not to read it for people or comprehend it for them.

If you don't understand the OP read it as many times as possible.. it's obvious your beliefs are vulnerable that a post that addresses majority of religions weighs more concern on you.

No apologies there

malvisguy212:
silly, were did you get the story of mary and joseph ? Is it not from the same bible you are claiming to big to read ? Smh

Bros it's Mary and Josh not Joseph , you see why i say you should upgrade your brain Malvisguy, you need to develop a healthy reading culture..

Mary has been dating Josh for as long as she could remember or at least
she thought so, he was a handsome tall young man with a charming smile,
intelligent and smart and was sweet.

They had been childhood sweethearts all through primary and secondary
school and now in the University their relationship flourished and bloomed.
Until she started noticing gradual change in Josh, he got angry easily these
days and sometimes would attempt slapping her out of anger, Josh who
usually opened the door for her now went ahead without looking back, he
even blamed her when one of his friends slapped her.

Malvisguy said this is the biblical stories of Mary and Joseph, never knew they went to the university

Now it's obvious you can't read, who is the stupi_d one here..

it is so obvious

malvisguy212:
give me biblical reference of this your accusation.

Ooh i am way above regurgitating over some nonsensical book, i am well above that..

The OP was about all religions with such doctrines but the insecurities in yours weighs so much on you that you are trying to make it about yours.

Lets keep the thread General rather its about all not one... so what ever you don't get then read the OP again if it doesn't hit your religion where it hurts then you have no business with it..

we understand the vulnerability of your religion that posts like this is a threat to it, i don't apologize for it

the truth will never cease to hurt and will never cease to be spoken

malvisguy212:
Everyday we see this kind of people on the internet writing nonsense, something they have no knowledge of. but hardly you meet them face to face. Salvation is BIGGER than your imagination son.

malvisguy212:
there is absolutely NOTHING to defend here. You misunderstood salvation. I hope bro joe is reading this trash.

then why are you whinning all over the thread if not trying to defend your mor0nic beliefs, the truth hits the spot doesn't it

Everyone who reads the above story can agree Mary is being abused here by
a very dangerous boy friend who is blackmailing her into loving him or she
gets murdered.

As bad as this is, this is done globally in a large scale and nobody is seeing
anything wrong in that profession of blackmail, act of abuse and show of
tyranny.

More than 4 billion people are under the umbrella of such situation in the
name of one religious belief or the other.

Classic case of Stockholm syndrome, we understand ... We are trying to help you do what you lack the courage to do.

Without the long whip of sceptic criticism, religions would weigh the world down a sorry state. We whip you lot into line

We are waiting for other religions to come defend theirs too before you deluded lot make it about your faith then conclude you are being attacked..

malvisguy212:
So telling someone, don't smoke or you will die young, mean I am threatening him with death ? Alright. Goodluck.

Telling someone to either love you or die is a threat, a blackmail, abuse and for a human to uphold such lunacy is demeaning to human nature.

We also waiting for followers of other religions to come defend their doctrines

malvisguy212:
That is your opinion, your way of thinking. Staying with jesus , your salvation is secure. Living Him, mean you want to earn your salvation through your effort. Jesus the Christ, describes the two roads open to men. One is a straight, narrow pathway leading to God and eternal life. The other is a broad and easy road leading to final
destruction. On this broad road are many
travelers, enjoying the fellowship of their
comrades and thinking little about their
destination.

If the person offering you salvation is the same person threatening you then
it is not salvation, it is an emotional genocide and abuse of an individual's
choices..

Carry on