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Christianity Etc › Re: Debate An Atheist by johnydon22(m): 2:37pm On Apr 22, 2016

KingEbukasBlog:
Same God different concepts . Is there any cause for alarm ?

How did we get to that situation? . . . How come everyone gets to say what and hoe they want 'God' to be ?

is that really how vague the idea of God is?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Debate An Atheist by johnydon22(m): 2:36pm On Apr 22, 2016

KingEbukasBlog:
Jesus is God .

Hahahahaha ok ... Don't you think Olumba Olumba Obu is also proof of God since he also claims to be God in human flesh?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Free Will And Divine Plan = Irreconcilable And Incompatible. by johnydon22(m): 2:09pm On Apr 22, 2016*

2cato:
Mr copy and paste whatever arguement i put forward will still be rejected by you. Why not do away with all these destrucive logic and use ur time well in doing positive things that will bring glory to man and GOD

This is all you could come up with? This is not disappointing but disgraceful rather..

every idea of human making is prone to be scrutinized to deduct a reasonable outcome and not just swallowed hook line and sinker no matter how absurd it sounds.

if we let every idea go and fly about unchecked no matter how absurd, humanity will be thrown into a demeaning stage of accepting any ridiculous idea, whim or coercion out there.

that is like asking humans not to think, if we don't what then are we? Mor0ns?

So this is not the point of the OP, it is about scrutinizing the notion of a predetermined nature of humans which is a human idea.

The point of the OP is

If humans are like a programmed android robot with every second of their existence already programmed to go a certain way THEN humans are not free creatures but rather our choices are an exercise of a preprogrammed plan.

therefore was not even a choice in the first place.

So if humans have freewill then there cannot be predestination but if human lives are already predestined then there is no freewill and none really lives.

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Science/Technology › Re: Big Bang And Evolution Theory Are The Two Greatest Scam In Science by johnydon22(m): 2:01pm On Apr 22, 2016

dorox:
As a christian I believe that the universe was created by God, But I cannot presume to have the definitive knowledge of how He accomplished this great and complex work. We will spend an eternity searching for answers, as we succeed even more questions will be uncovered in our previous answers. That is why Solomon in the bible book of Ecclesiastes 3:11 said this: "He has made everything appropriate in its time. He has also set eternity in their heart, yet so that man will not find out the work which God has done from the beginning even to the end."

The problem with many christians is that they imagine that God just blew some fairy dust to bring forth the universe, I find that notion ridiculous.
Advancing scientific knowledge is not anti-God, an obstinate desire to wallow in ignorance is anti-God to me.

I want to pull off a little discussion here.. Let me assume the universe was created by a being or race of beings.

Tell me assuming there was nothing at all only God or God(s) from what exactly did the God(s) create everything from?

Science/Technology › Re: Big Bang And Evolution Theory Are The Two Greatest Scam In Science by johnydon22(m): 1:57pm On Apr 22, 2016

donnffd:
I don't argue with that, I am wondering why you wish to sit on the fence when it comes to Natural selection when we are closer than ever before...do you think there is any proof right now that would disprove the idea that the earth revolves around the sun?, would you say you won't subscribe to the idea until a better theory comes and disproves it?...please note I am not saying science is dogmatic, and anyone who understands the scientific method has to be open minded, but some aspects of science right now are so rock solid, that it would take a miracle to overturn them on their head. E.g Heliocentric model, Germ theory, and Natural selection...if you disagree, I want to hear your view

The bolded is very far from my points...

I asserted above that Evolution is a fact of nature in the sense that everything in nature improves and modifies.

Our understanding of evolution is what i am sceptic about and agree to it's limits ..e.g: Newtonian model of gravity dubbed gravity a force while Einstein corrected this notion.

More discoveries may yet change or improve our idea of gravity. . .

so i do not by anyway doubt Evolution understanding that nature is always evolving, Only our current understanding of prompts my sceptic position which might change with my further understanding or human general understanding of the evolutionary mechanism improves.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Debate An Atheist by johnydon22(m): 12:50pm On Apr 22, 2016

KingEbukasBlog:

Jesus Christ is a historical figure . For someone to be a historical figure , he has to be famous and existed at some point in history - verified by historians and scholars . You have the internet to inundate you with proofs of His existence .

I don't understand this..

So if a Jesus existed then automatically Yahweh does huh

How did you say this is a proof that your concept of God exists?

I'll like to see this

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Christianity Etc › Re: All Atheists, Some Questions For You by johnydon22(m): 12:46pm On Apr 22, 2016*

Ok good question by the way but let us first of all treat one misconception..

[b]Complexity does not connote design. . Just because a rolex watch is known to be designed doesn't not mean that other complex systems especially natural ones are designed too..

Now you mentioned how the Rolex watch is very precise and every parts and then pointed out parts for other complex biological entities like ants and humans to suggest design.

Remember that if complexity means something must be designed then anything intelligent enough to design the complex natural system must even be more complex than nature, doesn't this being require a thinking complex mind?

Humans designed a watch and we are far more complex than watches, so if you say something must have also designed humans that thing will be far more complex than humans. (You see the problem compounds rather but doesn't get solved)

Then if going by your question since a watch is designed, nature is complex then must be designed then this designer must be super-complex therefore doesn't this imply that this designer must need a designer too in order to exist?

Unless of course this designer is just a conscious intelligent nothingness which is just preposterous.

So if complexity of the universe makes you assume a designer then this extra-complex designer must also require another designer and a chain of infinite regress is achieved.

Now don't you see how it doesn't hold sway [/b]

Now in respect to your question, A rolex watch surely as we know didn't assemble itself, but nature is quite the reverse.

Nature doesn't require an assembly line, it is random and imprecise and these random manifestations leads to a pattern at a point.

Take for example Planetary Orbits - It will take a planetary body a long time of uncharted wobble or straight line travel before encountering a body of larger mass and therefore births an orbit from a wobbly effect of the initial direction and the new force (body of larger mass)

It was not a designed system but achieved stability from long time of instability while reacting to interacting values in the picture.

Now further more as we know before a Rolex watch to exist the materials needed for it are already existing, we didn't just speak them out from nothing..

Now here is the case where the universe is said to be initially not there, no material, no matter needed for a design and all of a sudden this designer designs something out of nothing?

That is not design rather abracadabra

For design to hold sway then matter and other materials must have always existed and if there always existed then we now see that there is no need for a magical word saying or vomit creating being.

(Remember too this being is complex and intelligent so must need to be designed)

How come there is design when there is nothing?

Isn't it an even bigger coincidence that you somehow got an eternally living perfectly intelligent and complex being (that somehow doesn't need to be designed) that has existed forever and somehow in that line of infinite loop suddenly decided to create everything and you.

-If you say nature is complex then needs to be designed at the same time assume up a designer who is supposed to be more complex than nature but claims this extra-complex designer does not also require design.. then totally that kills the whole "complexity connotes design" argument.

-Because since this complex entity does not need to be designed to achieve complexity that means something can be complex without being designed therefore nature can be very complex without being designed.

Natural manifestations are random and are not precise or planned but consistent interactions of conflicting values births results and the vastness of the cosmos makes the possibilities of it's manifestations limitless.

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Science/Technology › Re: Big Bang And Evolution Theory Are The Two Greatest Scam In Science by johnydon22(m): 10:06am On Apr 22, 2016

donnffd:
Hi Johnydon, i wasnt going to say anything on this thread because the OP lack some basic understanding about the scientific method, and great response by the way, but this part of your post got me thinking...so i wanna ask you, what do you define as absolute truth? and what makes you think that science doesnt have an open mind towards Evolution?

and also, if every single evidence that has been found points to Evolution, doesnt that mean Evolution is the closest to absolute truth Why do you feel science would be very wrong on that?

Science does not aim at establishing immutable dogmas, the scientific method recognizes chances of being wrong and this doubt of self prompts unending studies which improves the quality of truth.

Evolution is a universal Fact as every natural manifestations are always developing and evolving ranging from the stars to simple plants to the universe itself.

But our understanding of this observed Facts is where out short comings are...

Absolute truths entails that there is nothing more to be known about that particular enquiry as a precise truth has been reached therefore curtails need for more study since the knowledge is already perfected.

This has never been the scientific method, it never at any point claims absolute truth has been achieved but recognizes chances of being wrong which fuels it's studies in development of the already approximated truths.

Science is self correcting and this is why it remains the most reliable way of truthful deductions..

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Christianity Etc › Re: Christianity/islam Two Sides Of The Same Coin by johnydon22(op): 9:15am On Apr 22, 2016

Pr0ton:
You want to deny that the OT God is not the same as the NT?

Isn't it obvious? there different versions of yahweh.

Old testament Yahweh version 1.0 - Angry, wrathful, vengeful, lustful, vainful, childish and petty brute. Created the universe but thinks moon is a light, created the cosmos but likes the jews more than all

New Testament Yahweh version 1.1 - Anger issues treated a little bit, still wrathful, vengeful, outstanding blood lust, vainful, childish and a petty brother. Thinks stars could fall, gets a hell chamber and plans a last fight with his arch nemesis (satan)

Mormon Yahweh version 2 0 - Dude gets a wife (makes more sense than having a son without a wife grin

) lives in some weird planet somewhere with his Godly nuclear family and loves watching people who masturbate or have sex.

Pentecostal Yahweh version 2.1 -Always like sending anointing all the time, needs 10% of your money but still holds qualities of new testament yahweh above

catholic yahweh veesion 2.2 - a bit traditional but more conservative but still holds qualities of the new testament yahweh above .

Jehovah witness yahweh version 3.0 -doesn't have a hell chamber, murders his son, plans a massive earth invasion to battle humans and his arch enemy (satan) the creator of the universe involved in such petty thing as warfare grin

and this one likes you to wear suits all the time.

So it goes different versions of yahweh for more than 30,000 sects of Christianity, Judaism.

What you get when people worship their assumptions

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Science/Technology › Re: Big Bang And Evolution Theory Are The Two Greatest Scam In Science by johnydon22(m): 8:09am On Apr 22, 2016

Gluthatione:
No 2 question .u said dark energy is what is still causing d inflation.Pls can u shield more light about dark energy, dark matter and even blackholes.

Dark energy is what scientists usually call the energy of nothingness.. it is an unknown energy but mostly makes up the entire cosmos.

it provides a negative pressure and this negative pressure accelerates the universe..

More the fabric of space/time itself and as LoJ pointed out there is nothing to stop it .. First law of motion: A body at rest will always be at rest unless acted upon by another force same goes for a body in motion ..

Since u didn't subscribe to any of these theories, what's ur stand then, are u a theist,an antheist, agnostics or free thinkers?

I am an agnostic atheist that recognizes Science as the most reliable way and the best chance we have at ascertaining what is what about the cosmos..

here is my reason for not subscribing to any origin model yet as i stated above

i do not see the need to dogmatize it rather i see need to keep an open mind to push for more critical studies so we can reach a near truth.

note this :With d recent technology it will take 30 000 years to reach alpha centuari not 160000 years as u stated above. Mark Zuckerbag announced 3 days ago that he is teaming up with Stephen Hawking and one other guy to build a nano space Craft that will take 20 years to reach alpha centuari.

Apparently we were wrong as it would take just 100years with current propulsion tech https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Longshot

yeah the nano crafts propelled with laser beams seems efficient and fast enough..

I still have many questions I will be back soon.
Once again thanks very much.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Debate An Atheist by johnydon22(m): 7:46am On Apr 22, 2016

KingEbukasBlog:
lol . Load of tosh . How can a pastor be an atheist or agnostic . Its like an epigone who is not sure who he is pastiching or a follower who is not sure of his master - it does not make any sense . Such people need to be immured because they have that tendency to use their religious position to carry out despicable acts . And if it were in Nigeria , irrational atheists like Pyrrho would use it as proof to show God does not exist .

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Christianity Etc › Re: Debate An Atheist by johnydon22(m): 11:11pm On Apr 21, 2016

MrPresident1:
Interesting.

So, to what end is the religiosity of an atheist who does not believe in God?

Religion is not belief in God, there are people who are theists but do not subscribe to any religion as well as Deistic people too.

KingEbukasBlog:
What the heck is this Bro . This does not make sense . Expatiate !

Lmao.. i guess this is new to you? Yeah it's expected..

analice107:
Atheists can still be religious?
I thought religion is the adherence to a god or gods?

here is the definition of Religion Religion is a cultural system of behaviors and practices, mythologies, world views, sacred texts, holy places, ethics, and societal organisation that relate humanity to what an anthropologist has called "an order of existence".

An atheists can still be religious, atheism only means disbelief in Gods not irreligious.

One can be religious but do not believe any deity exists e.g Buddhism is a religion but averagely atheistic, one can be irreligious and still have a belief in a deity.

You can practise Christianity, islam, buddhism, etc but as long as you agree that you don't believe Gods exists, you are an atheist.

so do not confuse the two, religiosity and irreligiosity has nothing to do with atheism.

There are even Atheist who still practise Christianity but agree that they do not share belief in any God just adhere to Christian doctrines and religious practices ..

1 out of every 6 priest or pastor in neatherlands is either atheist or agnostic..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism ...

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Christianity Etc › Re: Debate An Atheist by johnydon22(m): 8:48pm On Apr 20, 2016

analice107:
What have you now said with regards to my question? No christian has ever said the world or earth was perfect. Perfect ke? This earth perfect with all the evil people commit?

johnydon22:
I continue to wonder how that simple sarcasm is difficult for people to understand... Atheists hold a view that nothing controls nature and they blame nothing for natural disasters…
so when a believer thinks his/her God does control nature or caused nature, they now point at natural disasters and then tell the believer his/her god is directly responsible for that.
99% of the universe will kill you instantly

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Christianity Etc › Re: Debate An Atheist by johnydon22(m): 8:46pm On Apr 20, 2016

analice107:
Na waoo. Judgement day go shele oo.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Debate An Atheist by johnydon22(m): 6:54pm On Apr 20, 2016

verboten now i understand what you mean and i will reply when my phone is charged.. ^^^^

Christianity Etc › Re: Salvation Or Abusive Blackmail by johnydon22(op): 4:49pm On Apr 20, 2016

stonemasonn:
Yes I agree totally.

Probably Jesus after studying the entire scriptures wondered how God can be so narcissistic and decided to come
up with his own assumptions.
Because honestly his method was completely different from that of all other messianic pretenders.

Most Christian doctrines were based on apostle paul's teaching rather

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Christianity Etc › Re: Debate An Atheist by johnydon22(m): 4:42pm On Apr 20, 2016

Oluwaseytiano:
When believers use the earth as being perfect to sustain life as proof of existence of a creator, its only natural that an atheist points to the disasters to counter the claim

I continue to wonder how that simple sarcasm is difficult for people to understand... Atheists hold a view that nothing controls nature and they blame nothing for natural disasters…

so when a believer thinks his/her God does control nature or caused nature, they now point at natural disasters and then tell the believer his/her god is directly responsible for that.

99% of the universe will kill you instantly

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Christianity Etc › Re: Debate An Atheist by johnydon22(m): 4:36pm On Apr 20, 2016

analice107:
Atheists can still be religious?
I thought religion is the adherence to a god or gods?

Nope here is the definition of Religion Religion is a cultural system of behaviors and practices, mythologies, world views, sacred texts, holy places, ethics, and societal organisation that relate humanity to what an anthropologist has called "an order of existence".

An atheists can still be religious, atheism only means disbelief in Gods not irreligious.

One can be religious but do not believe any deity exists e.g Buddhism is a religion but averagely atheistic, one can be irreligious and still have a belief in a deity.

You can practise Christianity, islam, buddhism, etc but as long as you agree that you don't believe Gods exists, you are an atheist.

so do not confuse the two, religiosity and irreligiosity has nothing to do with atheism.

There are even Atheist who still practise Christianity but agree that they do not share belief in any God just adhere to Christian doctrines and religious practices ..

1 out of every 6 priest or pastor in neatherlands is either atheist or agnostic..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism ...

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Christianity Etc › Re: Debate An Atheist by johnydon22(m): 3:46pm On Apr 20, 2016

MrPresident1:
Sir, atheism, is it a disbelief in God or a disbelief in religion?

Disbelief in all Gods.. an atheist can still be religious

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Christianity Etc › Re: Debate An Atheist by johnydon22(m): 3:05pm On Apr 20, 2016

verboten:
What do you think about spirituality? Is it something that atheists can benefit from and should they try to embrace it?

It depends on your idea of spirituality ... what does the word 'spirituality' mean to you?

Christianity Etc › Re: Salvation Or Abusive Blackmail by johnydon22(op): 2:53pm On Apr 20, 2016

stonemasonn:
Could it be that in Christiandom the deity of Old Testament is different from that of the New Testament? Could it be that the Old Testament's deity is egotistical, insecure, jealous, paranoid and sadistic God and the Jesus came with a mission to the world to save us from that dangerous deity and propose to us a new deity who is loving and forgiving.

At least some early Christians believe that ..

it's all one deity but with different versions. . . doesn't mean the deity changed but the people who determines what these deities do changed.

Haven't you noticed how Gods behave exactly how the people who worship it want it to?

thats the reason why there is a difference, ideas of the people who speak for it changed.

that is what you get when people worship their assumptions

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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist And Agnostics, How Do U Console A Friend That Has Lost A Love One by johnydon22(m): 12:00pm On Apr 20, 2016

ToughAngelTufa:
Time doesnt heal everything, defenitely not the loss of a loved one. So if you dont want to hurt someone even more, dont ever say this.

we have all lost someone dear to us at some point, i am sure i am still not mourning over it and have moved on with my life

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Physical And Spiritual Consequence Of Multiple Sex Partner by johnydon22(m): 11:43am On Apr 20, 2016

verboten:
It's a serious question my brother. I need to know because I have been looking up to those guys.

in terms of marriage, those guys really should not be anybody's role model wink

Christianity Etc › Re: The Physical And Spiritual Consequence Of Multiple Sex Partner by johnydon22(m): 11:35am On Apr 20, 2016

verboten:
Kings David and Solomon?

Hahahaha this one cracked me up grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Salvation Or Abusive Blackmail by johnydon22(op): 11:29am On Apr 20, 2016

frank317:
Yeeeeeeeee!!! you have killed me. Please I need your help. Save me from the fire you created for devil. save me from what will happen to me if you dont save me.

Lord Jesus... forgive me for all my sins. deliver me from the pit of hell you lovingly created for the devil but coincidentally, human are also going there. Release me from the bondage of your creation, the devil. Help my freewill make the right choice. Millions are going there, but its their fault, its their choice. They have died and can't have a second chance. Let them BURN! Burn them for eternity for misusing their free will. But save me, help me not God to hell. Amen.

hahahahahaha am dead... abeg frank no kill me ooo grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Salvation Or Abusive Blackmail by johnydon22(op): 10:56am On Apr 20, 2016

frank317:
u see seriously need to see how I am shivering her and shitting on my pants. Please what must I do to be saved? I dont want to end up in hell. Oh father God in hevean... molester of Mary... please save me.

Hahahahaha wicked grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: Does Science Agree With The Bible? by johnydon22(m): 10:41am On Apr 20, 2016

LoJ:
So according to you, the misunderstanding is tied to the fact that people could see the light right from day one, but could only observe the source of the light on day 4. mmmkay.

- And what is it that prevented them from seeing the sun right from day one and that could not prevent them to see it by day 4?
- Who are the people that could not see the light from day one, since according to the Bible it is on day 6 that Adam and the animals were created?
- Why should a God narrating the way he created things, be limited by human's perspectives?
- And why did you not address the other issues? Did Lion eat grass? Could the more than 7 millions known species and the many millions unknown species multiplied by 14 (7 pairs of the pure ones) or by 2 (the impure ones) have found place in the Ark of Noah, whose dimensions are well indicated?? Is Joshua right when he asks the Sun and the moon to stop rotating around the earth?

Good day to you.

Wow ... this is brilliant!!! There is no argument here.. done well sir

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist And Agnostics, How Do U Console A Friend That Has Lost A Love One by johnydon22(m): 10:36am On Apr 20, 2016

sonOfLucifer:
Sorry about your loss. Take heart.

also add "time heals everything, so it will get better my dear"...

Never comfort me with a lie, if the truth hurts let it hurt, it can never hurt for too long

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Science/Technology › Re: Big Bang And Evolution Theory Are The Two Greatest Scam In Science by johnydon22(m): 10:24am On Apr 20, 2016

Gluthatione:
Big bang is the explosion leading to the formation of universe,that is the cosmic event that mark the beginning of time and rapid enpansion of space for the visible universe.
Now this is the reason i will never believe in big bang theory

Ok let us treat many of these misconceptions we have here.. But now you have to remember, science does not require belief because it is not a dogma. it is a systematic approach through consistent study to arrive at a truthful approximation but never claim at any point that absolute truth has been reached but recognizes chances of being wrong. that intellectual humility gives room for improvements and stands scientific method of enquiry out amongst others.

So if the Big Bang or evolution theory is untrue whether you believe it or not won't make it true, if these models are proven beyond reasonable doubt and established as a known scientific fact, you need not believe it because it doesn't change if it's true.

That being said, i'll address these points not to make you believe them but to teach what they really are.

1 What causes the explosion in the first place & what formed it?

Now the first answer to this was outrightly given in the Big Bang cosmological model which is known as a singularity .. A very small almost atomic sized but infinite dense and hot point.

And by the way the Big bang wasn't an explosion but more so a rapid inflation

what brought about the singularity is a subject of immense study of which string theory intends to answer soon.

there are many prospects to the answer one should bear in mind.

-Dark matter
-Quantum fluctuation (which still happen till today in this universe)

2 Why is it still expanding ?

Dark energy is causing the inflation

3 Out of several trillions of planet in the universe why is it that life is thriving in just only one of them ? Even in our own galaxy there are 200-400 billions planets no evidence of life in them.

Now this i must say is rather disappointing. . . We do not even have the technology it takes to probe planets within our own solar system for signs of life.

Up till today man has recently launched a probe for the purpose of probing traces of organic compounds and life or mars which has not even reached the planet yet.

there are 8planets and 5mini planets and more than a 100 moons just in our solar system and we don't even have the technology to check them for life yet and you are talking about our galaxy and the universe?

The nearest star system to us the alpha centauri is 4light years away, which means 9trillion km multiplied by 4..

our present technology (fastest space probe we have) will take more than 160,000 years to reach it, so how can you possibly check if it has life?

we cannot even reach the closest star system to us not to talk of billions of stars and planets in our galaxy let alone more than 200,000,000,000 galaxies in the observable universe.

so how can you ask 'why life only thrives on 1 when you have never reached or possess the technology that can check the others?

we are tiny creatures, the universe is very big we have not even probed for life in the nearby planets and moons inside this solar system talk more of checking other star systems let alone dreaming of ever leaving this galaxy of 100,000 light years diameter.

this question was rather disappointing... We have no idea where there is life or not because we still are not advanced enough to possess technologies that can travel outside our system..

earth is just a tiny rock out of billions of trillion others ...so don't hold your breathe on that

4 Now as complex as universe is,do you think it is possible for universe to have created itself and life randomly formed on earth as evolutionists claimed?

The universe itself is random and chaotic, there is complexity in every interaction. as long as two values interact to give a result, it will be more complex than the original interacting values.

The universe is not planned neither does it have a schedule, galaxies slam into galaxies, planets into planets and even stars into one another, asteroids can crash down on earth and our galaxy is even on a collision course with Andromeda.

the universe is complex from interactions of different values but random in it's manifestations.

Now lets talk about evolution which is the change in the genetic composition of a population over successive generations.
Now the first protein which is building block of life how does it
formed?(Abiogenesis).Don't tell me it formed by chance 'probabilistic calculations' because experimentally this is highly impossible.

The bolded words are starkly ignorant, stop making confident assertions without looking hard enough.

even though research about how life began on earth is still going on as we speak, protein molecules has been created in the laboratory by recreating the early stage of earth and a meteor impact.

One of these is the Miller-Urey experiment a chemical experiment that simulated earth's early conditions and surprisingly complex amino acids were formed in the experiment.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller–Urey_experiment

also many discovered in meteorites

Like Murchison Meteorite

This meteorite, that fell near Murchison, Australia on 28 September 1969, turned
out to contain a variety of organic molecules including:

purines and pyrimidines

polyols — compounds with hydroxyl groups on a backbone of 3 to 6 carbons
such as glycerol and glyceric acid . Sugars are polyols.

the amino acids listed in this table. The amino acids and their relative
proportions were quite similar to the products formed in Miller's experiments.

also The ALH84001 meteorite.

Astronomers, using infrared spectroscopy, have identified a variety of organic
molecules in interstellar space, including
methane (CH 4 ),
methanol (CH 3OH),
formaldehyde (HCHO),
cyanoacetylene (HC 3N) (which in spark-discharge experiments is a precursor to
the pyrimidine cytosine).
polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons
as well as such inorganic building blocks as carbon dioxide (CO 2), carbon
monoxide (CO), ammonia (NH 3), hydrogen sulfide (H 2S), and hydrogen cyanide
(HCN).

and yes through random meteor showers that bombarded the earth in it's early state, complex proteins compounds can also arrive as i have shown with instances of such meteors discovered in this present age

Please please that you never knew amino acids have been recreated in the lab or can be recreated should not have given you the alacrity to infer they are impossible to recreate.

I am sure i have corrected that naive impression.

We are still studying grasp well enough the origins of life, and this noble acts of study has not claimed perfection yet but progresses has been made in this sense.

and with time our questions will definitely get answered through consistent study...

Great guys out there what do you say about this ,do you believe in evolution and big bang theory.What do you say about this?

What i say is that humanity is on a quest to answer many questions that plagues us, and the only way we can do this is through careful study, consistent and empirical scrutinization in order to arrive at a truthful approximation..

The Big bang model has many cosmological observations pointing towards it.

-Cosmic mircowave background radiation
- Big Bang Nucleosynthesis
-Expansion.. And many others.

Same holds true for many evidences pointing towards evolution but we must not claim absolute truth has been reached, further studies may prove us very wrong.

which is why i do not subscribe to any theory on the origin of the universe or life yet, i do not see the need to dogmatize it rather i see need to keep an open mind to push for more critical studies so we can reach a near truth.

I hope this helps your enquiry

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Science/Technology › Re: Big Bang And Evolution Theory Are The Two Greatest Scam In Science by johnydon22(m): 9:30am On Apr 20, 2016

Gluthatione:
Johydon22, tauraus other great sciencelander I summon u I know u will have a sth to say about this

I am going to take you on o this, not because i think Big Bang or Evolution are absolute truths (I do not subscribe yet to any origin theory) but because i know this thread was inspired because of religious influence .. and to answer most of these questions in order to teach exactly what the thesis proposed.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Malaysia School Shuts After Students And Staff See Ghosts by johnydon22(m): 9:24am On Apr 20, 2016

fistonati:
I don't believe in ghost, once you are dead - you're dead.

But I like the Holy Ghost

You don't believe in Ghosts but you like the holy ghost... that is like i don't eat vegetables but i eat tomato

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Christianity Etc › Re: Can This Be True (pic) Fish Rain by johnydon22(m): 9:22am On Apr 20, 2016

donnelly:
A friend posted this on Facebook, can it be true: It rained fish in Thailand today according to BBC news
Wonders of God! How will science n evolutionists xplain this? A mystery, a phenomenon that only God understands. Instead of rain falling, fishes fell.

I hope this thread has taught you a very vital lesson, you have known how they happen naturally.

The bolded is exactly what i am always against "God of the gap" you did not know the cause of fishes raining, instead of trying to know you invoked 'God did it' which did not even answer the question but diminished your own drive to try to know.

at the end of the day you ended up with a "wrong naive answer" that is a mockery of human intelligence.

it is a philosophy of ignorance.

If you will only invoke your god only at a place where you feel knowledge is lacked then you'll see your god will always be an ever receding factor.

Just as this thread has shown you, when ever you don't know how something happened try to know not fill the gap left by your ignorance with assumptions of deities.

That is dangerous to human intellectual evolution

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