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 Christianity Etc › Re: What If You Suddenly Wake Up, Only To Realised You Been Living On A Mere Dream? by johnydon22(m): 8:29pm On Nov 22, 2015 |
Princewell2012: I think i do understand, sometime we feel we should never have made THAT mistake but to me personally, Call it a personal belief i believe such eventualities are the very fabrics that define human life. There is no up if there is no down, there is no cold if there is no hot, how can we recognize soothing feel of water without being thirsty? So these negating values give meaning to each other in maintenance of an equilibrium. . . Same goes to us making mistakes. . If we never made mistakes i doubt if we would ever know what mistakes are Is not that am regretting, but am actually wiser now. Excellent, that is all there is to it and all we can do.. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Athiests And Their Logic (how Logical) by johnydon22(m): 8:23pm On Nov 22, 2015 |
finofaya: We cannot even observe every part of our own universe, what we call Observable universe are just factions of this universe visible to us .. So how can we notice these other universes if there are any when we still can't even see all of ours .. If we could observe a wormhole in actuality then it could throw a light to the reality of an alternate or parallel universe or multiverse.. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Athiests And Their Logic (how Logical) by johnydon22(m): 8:19pm On Nov 22, 2015 |
BETATRON:This is just your own emotional need of what you want or feel should be. Following your emotional yarn of an intelligent planner of every master piece then it appeals to logic that this master planner must be far more a master piece than his creation. For something to be intelligent enough to create this master piece that thing must be far more complex than this, so going by your assertion such wonderful intelligent masterpiece cannot be unless there is another intelligent master planner to create it and same goes to the next creator and so....... Infinite regress of of master planners.. If you think this Super complex creator do not need a creator to exist then something far less complex like us can't be said to need one since supercomplex entities don't.. I initially stated that in chemical combinations each atoms gives to another that which it in itself possess (I.e how can a man with no money give money)..both are lifeless and give this attribute to each other,,the spark of life that is seen in man and other living creation is the result of a master planner who with his touch of brilliance and knowledge ignites this life into them lmao you agree chemical combination each atom contributes and then try to remove the collective result of these atoms so as to impose it on your unfounded deity. My question to you is who or what put all this millions of billions of trillions of photo-receptors together to make a living organism.were they the result of chance,or some unconscious nature or the result of brilliance and masterclass?[b] Oh last i checked nobody did, biological cells have combination abilities, abilities to replicate, react and interact. Secondly there is nothing like chance in nature: Once two reacting values interact there must be a result, it is not chance it is result.. Emergence of life is not Chance but a result of a reaction of natural values.. A spermatozoa fusing with an ovum to form a zygote is not chance but a result of the reaction of two interacting value (sperm and ovum) Your assertion of some unfounded deity in itself is what can be classified CHANCE..(It just existed forever and then got bored and decided to create the universe, how come you don't term the existence of this deity Chance?) Now let me teach you one thing about arguments: This question "WHO" is a fallacy of ambiguity called Begging the Question.. Because by asserting "who" you have established your answer must be a "who" even if it's not a who.. Rather "How" is the question . . . Because it is open to every field or possibility of the result [/b] 1 Like 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is A Nonbeliever? by johnydon22(m): 8:02pm On Nov 22, 2015 |
BETATRON: Believe in? Pink unicorn? Well if atheists believe in the pink unicorn then someone who is not one is an unbeliever of the pink unicorn.. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What If You Suddenly Wake Up, Only To Realised You Been Living On A Mere Dream? by johnydon22(m): 4:23pm On Nov 22, 2015 |
Princewell2012: I regret nothing in my life, everything i have done even some that are huge mistakes i realized were always what i wanted to do at that point in time.. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Athiests And Their Logic (how Logical) by johnydon22(m): 4:18pm On Nov 22, 2015 |
BETATRON:You see the point? You are only trying to equate your emotions of what you feel should be to what is.. It's not a matter of what you rather accept, it is about agreeing to what is ... You are made of atoms found to be products of stars, these unintelligent atoms are here working together to be you.. Individually these atoms are unintelligent but working together as whole the product is here "You" a seeming intelligent entity. Intelligence is a product of perception When I said there should be a prime mover I meant one without a cause,,one who is self existent not one who is the result of unitelligence. Then it can be simply put that the universe is without any independent cause since this your prime mover is needed to be exempted from the principle of causality affirming something actually can be without being caused. I wonder what you call unintelligence in relation to causality because there is nothing like some form of intelligence needed for hydrogen to get dense enough to trigger nuclear fusion, it is just a result of two reacting values. Saying for every1 cause there should be a more intelligent cause is correct the fact is you cannot keep moving backwards infinitely,,that why there should be a first cause who in turn has no cause and who directly or indirectly is the cause of all effects[b] I repeat there is no where it is established that something needs anything intelligent to cause it. This claim of an intelligent nothingness that caused the Universe cannot just be an infinite intelligence uncaused and has existed literally infinitely backwards ..You yourself said that we cannot keep moving infinitely backwards How then do you hope to assert your mover to have been around infinitely backwards. Intelligence is not established to be a product of another intelligence, Intelligence is a product of perceptibility and that is a product of countless neuroperceptive atoms interacting together. There are up to 130million photoreceptors in an eye with up to 100trillion atoms and these atoms are products formed in star cores but yet are being utilized to capture photoreceptibility when interacting as different units of a whole.. I think you should stop banking on what you would rather accept and be open to where ever the study leads not assume up an infinite conscious intelligent nothing [/b] 1 Like 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Athiests And Their Logic (how Logical) by johnydon22(m): 1:25pm On Nov 22, 2015 |
finofaya: Let me put it in a more scientific term "Before the Big Bang"... Remember a Quantum Vacuum contains no physical value |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Religion; A Curse To Man by johnydon22(m): 1:19pm On Nov 22, 2015 |
Krystalzkris: It's more like "All alcohol is bad but Orijin is not alcohol  " 3 Likes 2 Shares |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Athiests And Their Logic (how Logical) by johnydon22(m): 12:51pm On Nov 22, 2015 |
finofaya:Exactly!!! Quantum vacuum affirms that there is nothing like "Absolute nothingness" and so shows that the initial state of things before the universe is not "Nothing" but rather a state of a quantum vacuum.. " Our knowledge of this universe will change as we know it soon enough if you ask me, with more study and understanding of the quantum field |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Athiests And Their Logic (how Logical) by johnydon22(m): 12:42pm On Nov 22, 2015 |
finofaya: There is something known as Quantum fluctuation in science that postulates a slight temporal change in energy levels that can make energized particles emerge from nothing. It is a mathematical postulation in the quantum field 1 Like 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is A Nonbeliever? by johnydon22(m): 12:31pm On Nov 22, 2015 |
A muslim is a believer of islam -----> to every other religion is a Non-believer A christian is a believer of Christian faith -----> to every other religion is a Non-believer A Hellenist is a believer of Hellenistic religion -----> to every other religion is a Non-believer A traditionalist is a believer in traditional beliefs -----> to every other religion is a Non-believer A Hindu is a believer in Hinduism -----> to every other religion is a Non-believer An atheist is one that is an unbeliever to all and a believer of none.. If you all find out why you don't believe all the religions around except yours, you will find out exactly why we don't believe all of them too including yours 6 Likes 6 Shares |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Athiests And Their Logic (how Logical) by johnydon22(m): 12:21pm On Nov 22, 2015 |
BETATRON:[b] And who said intelligence which is a product of perception cannot develop from simple interactions of reacting atoms. If going by your logic something intelligent cannot emerge without another intelligent cause then this cause must have been far more intelligent and therefore cannot emerge without another intelligent cause behind it which in turn must also need another intelligent cause. If you argue that this intelligent cause doesn't need another intelligent cause then you have failed in your own argument because you have established that something intelligent can be without another intelligent thing causing it. So there is nothing like something intelligent must come from another, something hot do not need another hot thing to cause it.. A star is caused by nebula densely packed that it gets hot to trigger nuclear fusion, so stars did not come from another extremely hot nuclear cause So do not establish your emotions or wish on universal Cause and effect to be a standard because it is not... [/b] 2 Likes 1 Share |
| TV/Movies › Re: Any Filmmaking Enthusiasts In Ibadan? by johnydon22(m): 11:19am On Nov 22, 2015 |
TheFilmmaker: No longer have BBM on my phone.. http://www.coolval22.com/Vforum/topic/adventures-of-johnysky-2-over-the-fence/ you will see my number on that link.. It's one of my stories.. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What If You Suddenly Wake Up, Only To Realised You Been Living On A Mere Dream? by johnydon22(m): 11:14am On Nov 22, 2015 |
Princewell2012: I have but that is what i call LIFE.. You cannot live and hope not to ever make mistakes unless you don't want to ever live at all. So no need wishing to correct them the most important thing is that you have learnt not to repeat them.. 7 Likes 3 Shares |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What If You Suddenly Wake Up, Only To Realised You Been Living On A Mere Dream? by johnydon22(m): 10:54am On Nov 22, 2015 |
I will do what i always do when ever i wake up from a dream... "Continue living the real-life just as i was doing before i started dreaming.." 6 Likes 4 Shares |
| TV/Movies › Re: Any Filmmaking Enthusiasts In Ibadan? by johnydon22(m): 10:52am On Nov 22, 2015 |
TheFilmmaker: Am interested in film making |
| Christianity Etc › Re: In Islam, Non-believers Are Considered As Dirty As Feces, Urine, And Semen. by johnydon22(m): 10:50am On Nov 22, 2015 |
Henry22:We all have no choice but to give a rat ass cus what ever destroys this planet destroys us too because we are all in this together.. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: In Islam, Non-believers Are Considered As Dirty As Feces, Urine, And Semen. by johnydon22(m): 9:54am On Nov 22, 2015 |
Henry22: I can swear you didn't read all that But seriously Islam is a huge tooth ache to the planet's peace.. |
| Science/Technology › Re: The Solar System And Its Waters And Oceans by johnydon22(op): 9:41am On Nov 22, 2015*. Modified: 10:44am On Feb 19, 2016 |
Nmeri17:Cracks on it's soft icy surface, what causes the colour is what i don't really know probably reaction if minerals in the surface with the ice. But Europa is one of the leading planetary bodies that promises High chance to harbour life probably in microbile form... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Do Atheists Disbelieve In Impersonal God? by johnydon22(m): 7:31pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
Folykaze8:Alright then but i believe i have answered the Question of the thread at least from own part.. You have defined what you think Impersonal Gods are.. And the Question was "Do atheists believe in Impersonal Gods?" As we have established the definition of that concept i have tendered my answer which is.. "No I don't" 1 Like 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Do Atheists Disbelieve In Impersonal God? by johnydon22(m): 5:58pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
Folykaze7:You are welcome to give me a link that describes this concept , BrahmanDefinition of the concept Brahman " they concur in the definition of brahman as eternal, conscious, irreducible, infinite, omnipresent, and the spiritual core of the universe of finiteness and change. " http://www.britannica.com/topic/brahman-Hindu-concept This postulation as a concept asserts a general universal consciousness that is unknown.. Since it is an unknown unproven value, i do not believe such ideas until proven or it's actuality represented and Ein sofAnother way of asserting an infinite conscious value, refer to the above post.. I do not believe such assertions of infinite conscious value that are unsubstantiated... it remains an unproven claim 2 Likes 2 Shares |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Do Atheists Disbelieve In Impersonal God? by johnydon22(m): 4:57pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
Folykaze05: You see this definition can also be related to personal Gods because there are many who are asserted not to interact with human affairs... Any God depicted in the form of a person whether it interacts with humans or not is a personal God.. Now the Question continues Give me one example of an impersonal God you know..? Or is this force another way of asserting Gravity? A singularity? A quantum fluctuation? Let us know the values you quantify as an impersonal God 1 Like 1 Share |
| Science/Technology › Re: Scientists Witnessed The Birth Of Planets For The First Time by johnydon22(m): 3:52pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
Nmeri17: Now this is an unnecessary chatter .. Actually, I do believe in God (or whatever name you choose to call the superior and unfathomably advanced intelligence responsible for what we know today as nature) and at the same time, I'm just as much an evolutionary theorist as yourselves. Now this is the difference, You think nature as it is was a handiwork of some supreme intelligent person that somehow doesn't need something else to cause it into existence. I on the other hand do not believe such assertion of some form of person causing the universe but rather agrees to the fact that everything we see are manifestations of natural fluctuations in different levels. If nature must be caused by something intelligent then it appeals to logic that same thing must require another intelligent cause before it can exist, if it doesn't it means something can exist without some form of intelligent cause being behind it and so nature had none.. You don't just go assume up some consciousness to explain yours and forget that consciousness must then require explanation it self. And don't just go assuming people are evolutionists until they assert so themselves You don't simply rule out the existence of things you do not know just because they go over your head. Oh you take claims as they are until tangible empirical substantiation is provided... But would you open minded enough to see things from my perspective?? See it this way: God built the observable (and non observable) universe literally. And by God you mean some form of intelligent person somewhere, that is a claim thag requires substantiation. Because if the universe that is a chaotic interactions of causality is the work of an invisible deity then the sand dunes of a desert which is the action of wind on sand is the work of an invisible artist. You don't expect [size=20]Him [/size]to have carried those rocks that constituted the big bang theory manually like a bricklayer from point A to point B. He, from the omnipresent standpoint, did the background work and set these things in motion which we uncover today and study as the origin of the universe. The other universes are most likely earlier workbenches.Now from the bolded word all can discern what you call God is a form of a person that you think caused the universe.. -That person existed literally forever -Got bored and then pointed the Big bang -then sat back for 13billion years Well one can see that this claim remains an unfounded one until your provide empirical substantiation of such anthropomorphical entity. Cus last i checked Infinite singularity Quantum fluctuation Parallel or alternate universes are hypothesis of universal origin, one can simple see you are trying to anthropomorphically represent these values as a person which i would disagree. Recently I was quite fortunate to come across this[b] Yea as i expected another way to attribute natural interactions and results to be the work of some unfounded deities you assume up. Nature do not have one way of manifestation, action of Gravity on matter makes stars and planets, Galaxies colliding on another can either rupture the interacting bodies or form one huge galaxy. These are all interactions of simple values that produces results. . Sand dunes in a desert show a form of artistic precision going by your logic it was done by some invisible intelligent artist somewhere because it can't just happen on its own, can it? You see the absurdity of such ideas, Sand dunes didn't just happen on their own because they only happen when two values comes into Interaction which is Wind and Matter (dust) This doesn't make it the work of an intelligent artists somewhere, shows that chaotic interactions can produce results that can be perceived to be artistic in all serenity. Please am not here to banter words over deities, if you want to ruminate over that you can head to the religion section ..[/b] 4 Likes 4 Shares |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Do Atheists Disbelieve In Impersonal God? by johnydon22(m): 3:29pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
Now it has been established Atheists disbelieve Personal Gods ----> which are deities that take a form of a person, regarded or conceived as a person... Zeus Brahma Yahweh Thor Enki Apollo Allah Amadioha and 5,000 other Gods are all deities depicted as a person and so someone who is atheistic do not believe such concepts. (With all their very many characteristics.) Now the Question is When you say IMPERSONAL gods, what do you mean by them and give me an example.. I wont reply Long post .. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
| Science/Technology › Re: Scientists Witnessed The Birth Of Planets For The First Time by johnydon22(m): 3:02pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
Nmeri17: I don't know what is wrong with you people, whether you all read at all or just see GOD in block letters in everything you read because i am sure i mentioned that the "Something" was a RAPID INFLATION in block letters and not some weird entity.... Read a post next time before replying 1 Like 1 Share |
| Politics › Re: Nigeria Will Wish They Never Let Goodluck Jonathan Go! by johnydon22(op): 2:59pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
hahn: I am not campaigning for GEJ, He already have moved on. . . I am only ashamed that we settled for less thinking we are going for more. GEJ had his flaws but PMB was never supposed to be an option in the first place... I don't want to believe we can't find better.. |
| Politics › Re: Nigeria Will Wish They Never Let Goodluck Jonathan Go! by johnydon22(op): 2:42pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
hahn:Hahahahaha mumu  seriously i can't get over the fact that old men that have been ruling since Adam are still ruling us in the 21st century.. Its embarrassing |
| Christianity Etc › Re: #my Name Is #abdullah.. And Am Not A #terrorist by johnydon22(m): 1:08am On Nov 21, 2015 |
[b] - Muslims are people - Islam is a religion -Islamism is a theocratic political ideology that seeks to be governed by the sharia. - Jihadists use military and forceful violence to achieve Islamism around the world. - Jihadi terrorists are militant jihadists who attack everyone including civilians mostly. -ISIS, boko haram, al queda are Muslims militant islamist jihadi terrorists... These people are kind of following Islamic fundamentals, to the muslims if you find your religion's fundamentals and those who follow them to be disturbing and you don't find it right to follow the fundamentals of your religion then there is something wrong with your religion's fundamentals, in fact everything is wrong with it.. Who said Islam is not the cause? last i checked Islam is the reason why there are muslims and muslims are the reason why there are Islamist which in turn is the reason why there are jihadists and which in turn births terrorism.. Something is wrong with Islamic fundamentals[/b] 5 Likes 2 Shares |
| Politics › Nigeria Will Wish They Never Let Goodluck Jonathan Go! by johnydon22(op): 12:42am On Nov 21, 2015 |
[b]Many would think that this would be another platform where someone lays out the achievements of Goodluck Jonathan and compare it with that of Muhammadu Buhari.. But this is not the case because as a matter of fact i find that to be an unfair comparison since obviously President Muhammadu Buhari has not stayed up to even 1 year in office talk more of completing his 4 year tenure. This year perhaps was one of the few years in the history of Nigeria that saw an outstanding political show, a gigantic political play that will not easily be erased in the history of this nation. I was thinking about the whole political saga, the activities, the endless debates, campaigns and promises, the chants and feverish excitement of the whole event and a question kept ringing in my mind which probably many of us here might be nursing. What were we thinking? -What was Nigeria thinking -what was our youths thinking If you ask me this will be a question that will haunt many in the coming years as the events the years hold are revealed, this will be a question that many will have no choice but to ask as they make comparisons of what they regarded as a clueless past to what they chanted as a CHANGE future. This political year was a shame to us the youths of this nation, it was a huge slap to our face and an embarrassing show of another shameful recycling of a past leader.. In the 1999 elections, Nigeria saw one recycling of a past leader in the person of Olesegun Obasanjo who was once a military head of state. 2015 we saw another recycling of another past leader who also was once a military head of state. These Old men - I choose to call them but agree or not that is what they are joined the political field of Nigeria as Vibrant youths. -We have been chanting that we are the leaders of tomorrow but The fathers of yesterday who were once the leaders of their own tomorrow are still yet the leaders of our today if not our tomorrow already Is this our fate, our legacy? To continue chanting under the hot sun for the old men who had their chance spanning over 40 years to make things right but didn't and yet again have handed over the polical reins of our country. - What were we thinking when we voted out a 58 year old man to recycle a 73 year old under the chant of CHANGE? What are we changing when we are only moving back in time recycling past leaders? - What were we thinking when we voted out silent actions and consistent gradual development for a smark soup of highly volatile noise making and unending propaganda.? -what were we thinking when we voted out a true Democratic leader, educated, gentle and compassionate only to replace him with a half schooled, military mind in civilian regalia? -what were we thinking when we voted out a peaceful Democrat I've always affirmed, nobody's ambition is worth the blood of any Nigerian.only to replace him with one that threatens violence in the face of competition that possess lose? “If what happened in 2011 (alleged rigging) should again happen inWhat were we thinking? - What were we thinking when we turned against humility in governance In presenting myself for service, I make no pretense that I have a magic wand that will solve all of Nigeria’s problems or that I am the most intelligent Nigerian.for a show of military background body language. -What were we thinking when we voted out a man who understood the demands of a 21st century world, a man who understood that SCIENCE and TECHNOLOGY is what determines the development of a nation and not oil in this present world, an ever evolving world .. In exchange for one who was delusional enough to think he could stabilize global oil prize and make 1 dollar equal to 1 naira betraying stark illiteracy in common economic principles. . . what were we thinking when we believed such baseless promises? Goodluck Jonathan may not be a tough somebody with any form of military Aura that might instill intimidation on the people around him in order to ensure submission to his principles but let us be truthful to ourselves he (Goodluck Jonathan) had good intentions and took this nation on a ride of slow, steady and gradual development but we were too quick minded to notice it... "Development as i know it is always a gradual but consistent process" He promised Nigerians freedom to make their choice in peace and he gave us that, now we have made that choice like a severe case of willful hypnosis we settled for less sold in a platter of more. I know Goodluck was not a perfect man, he had his flaws and weakness like every other human and the people around him might have constituted to the many loop holes in his tenure but he was a far more better and effective option that what we chose in place of him. Before these coming years fully play out many of us would wish We had not lost faith in Goodluck Jonathan, many of us would wish he would come back or we could undo our choices I have always considered myself to be apolitical which made me not even bother participating in the last election something i regret but i have learnt that it taught and affirmed Plato's philosophy to me. He said One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being ruled by your inferiors The adamancy of the youths to step into the political pitch of this country has relegated us to a pitiable state where we stay in the sun chanting and singing praises for the past incompetent old men of yesterdays as they devour our own turn to make things Happen. It is either we step up and take back our tomorrow from our old fathers or we keep living in the shadows of the old men who had once had their own turn during their own time but yet unfortunately still running the show when it's our own time. Is it that we have no Competent and qualified youths among us that we settle for shameful kakistocracy .. In all sincerity i do hope that Our present government under President Muhammadu Buhari works out well for us, i would have prayed for that if i believed in such. But with what is being played out now and the unsure promises of a pregnant 3 and a quarter years to come i hope it won't come to the point we would wish we never let Goodluck Jonathan Go [/b] 30 Likes 13 Shares |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Differences Between Islamic War And Biblical War by johnydon22(m): 9:10pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
i don't understand but are you trying to see to us that one blood drenched charge written in your own book is better than the other blood drenched charge written in the other book? That is a nonsensical idea because last i checked there is nothing morally acceptable in blood charges and promotion of uncalled violence. Both the Quranic and the biblical charges are relics of a barbaric past that no human should be trying to rationalize or give excuses for because there are none. Rather as beings of the 21st century you should be vying to make sure you don't slip down the drain of such an inhumane and outstanding act of savagery in this civilized world just as Islam is more or less making some people to do.. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: We Are All Human by johnydon22(m): 7:09pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
kaybext: Anything Imaginary feels real in the mind of the person who thinks so, once you have that psychological mindset that it is. If you have the mindset that there is a house of clear cut diamond somewhere right now and believe it with a form of stoic conviction then it will seem real in your mind. everything is possible in the mind .. But believing in anything no matter how stoic or emotional your convictions will never make it true.. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: We Are All Human by johnydon22(m): 6:33pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
Truer than true. . . We are being betrayed by our own greed, we are being marred by our own selfish desires. We appreciate diverse colours in other species as beauty but diverse colours in our own species is not seen as beauty but a ground to discriminate against each other. We create imaginary boarders and kill ourselves over imaginary feuds. . We really have a lot to learn as a little specie that is overwhelmed by the vastness of the cosmic arena we are in.. |
I'd love to think that on the front line of the battle of advantages with eras preceding ours, the most lethal weapon in the armoury of the 21st century man, is his open mindedness. But sadly, very few are really making commendable use of such a powerful tool. I simply mentioned God and you're all going bonkers about me 'attributing something I don't understand to God.'1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 ... 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 (of 489 pages)