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Christianity Etc › Re: Amen....to This. by johnydon22(m): 2:16pm On Jul 23, 2015
Sarassin:
@Johnnydon22

I stand to be corrected, my reference is to the Egyptian universal, omnipotent God referred to as "King of Gods", Amen Ra. In its short form Amen being the substantive and "Ra" being the appellative.

I do agree with you that there is considerable early canaanite influence on the Hebrews, we see that "Yahweh" was a lesser god of the canaanite pantheon of whose supreme being was "EL". The divine council in its original form in Deuteronomy clarifies this.

Likewise, there is considerable Egyptian influence on early Hebrew literature, the Book of Psalms, Proverbs and Deuteronomy attest to this, you will find passages word for word taken from the Instructions of Amenemope (an Eggyptian codex) in these books, indeed the book of Amenemope has been used to clarify verses in the book of proverbs.

The term Amen is Egyptian in origin, its present day usage may connote something else indeed it first appears in Hebrew writings in the book of Numbers when a woman is accused of adultery and is asked to utter the words to exonerate herself. However, in its original form it was used as homage to the Egyptian king of Gods.
Yeap i agree that the egyptian text Amenemope influenced some passages in the book of proverbs as well psalms. . . its very obvious and too clear to deny. . . Historical scholars hold this to be a historical fact !!!
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Memes by johnydon22(op): 1:37pm On Jul 23, 2015
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Works real well bro and its faster than before... Thanks so much!!!
Christianity Etc › Re: Amen....to This. by johnydon22(m):
[b]OP you are correct about the word AMEN it was for the egyptian God Amen-Ra...

The similarities between Amen Amen Who art in heaven, and Our father who art in heaven" May be just coincindental i think. . .

The egyptian cult of Aten was the first monotheic religion recorded in history of egypt and it is true the jews might have borrowed this monotheistic concept in the formation of their own religion.

But i think the jewish deity developed more from Canaanite descent. . . Isreali is just another canaanite civilization like jebusite, hizitess, peruzites etc.

And the Canaanite pentheon worshipped El as the chief and most high God, his consort is asherah and father of 70 gods including Baal, saleem and in some texts Yakub. Melchizedeck was a priest of the most high God (El) by then the tetregramaton (Yhwh) have not developed yet.

In simitic tongue calling these two deities together (El and Asherah) gives you the word Elohim.

Ancient isreali society was very polytheic just as every other canaanite civilization. it gradually developed into a strict intolerant monotheic religion.

Even the israeli name speaks tons to this. . . the name isra-el has EL instead of Yahu, Samu-EL, El-ijah and many of others.

tho other names started bearing Yahu (yahweh) instead like Yahushua (Joshua and Jesus).

acheological findings have shown israeli worshipped Yahweh alongside other canaanite gods and they worshipped asherah as his consort.
Even in the bible the canaanite god Baal and asherah were mentioned many times as regard being worshipped by the people.

The Israeli religion just like others before it where it borrowed some styles and concepts evolved from a loose polytheism to a strict and intolerant ever modifying monotheism. . .
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Christianity Etc › Re: Is Homosexuality Dangerous To Society? by johnydon22(m): 8:41am On Jul 23, 2015
finofaya:
Go and tend to your er.ection, priapus. Don't concern yourself with what others do with theirs.
The guy has no argument here, he was severely battered and his argument rubbished..

Look up the thread, he couldn't even make one single constructive statement, just spew childish trash and post a meme. . Imagine such childishness, i am ashamed of such nonsense. .

He should go find another Copy and paste thread to open and leave other people to what they do with their joystick
Christianity Etc › Re: Any African Who Accepts Foreign Religion, Christianity Or Islam Is A Traitor ? by johnydon22(m): 8:31am On Jul 23, 2015
gragraboy:
You should also stop using their technology, language and clothing because these things are instruments of destruction too. If not you are also a traitor and hypocrite.
Technology is not the product of religion, language is not the product of religion and clothing is not the product or religion.

Learn the difference between civilization and religion
Science/Technology › Re: How To Become A Brilliant Scientist. by johnydon22(m): 12:13am On Jul 23, 2015
[b]A very commendable piece and educating. . . I would encourage every bright mind to pay attention to it.

The most important to ME is LOVE. . . Developing an unbound love for science, developing an unbound love for nature and the study of it.

Being appreciative of your reason, embracing the librating power of curiosity instead of being scared of it.

When one develops Love for something, a hunger and a drive to know it keeps raging within, and only through this love of knowledge can the mind be opened to the wealth, beauty, satisfaction, balance, knowledge and the hunger it envokes in us to know more.

Appreciate the uniqueness in what you see, there are many things to be learnt and known, the exploration of these knowledge is vital to our intellectual growth, and never they be a limit to what you wish to know.

Let your imagination run wild and remember there is no impossiblity in what you can achieve. . . Man once thought it was impossible to fly.
Open your mind to learn new things and your eyes to see things differently. . .

And don't forget "There is no limit to what we can KNOW" the beauty of science!!!

We hope to join the pack of nobel prize winners soon teempakguy, lets see who gets it first... you or me wink
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Christianity Etc › Re: Can One Lie Disqualify A Truth ? by johnydon22(m): 9:14pm On Jul 22, 2015
krattoss:
yes. And if it does. That means my previous words shouldnt be banked on.


And u knw what? Such parents doesnt exist.
Hehehehehe thats the christian idea of LOVE
Christianity Etc › Re: How Is Jesus A Descendant Of David? by johnydon22(m):
Scholar8200:
Exactly! Just like the extant gnostic teachings, this (horus/osiris/isis/semiramis) also existed but the semblances to Christ were later incorporations (the pre-christian gnostics did it afterall). The questions engendered by their action ( see this thread: Horus is not Jesus Christ And can Never Be)still solicits for answers.
Lol not at all, comparative similarity exist in various religions and these similarities were in no way later additions.
E.g: The ressurrection of Osiris has been a popular ancient egyptian myth even before the emergence of judaism talk more of christianity...

The Gnostic gospel of philip likened the Trinity as father, mother and son depicting the egptian concept of Osiris, isis and horus...which have been an ancient egyptian concept and not a later addition to egyptian mythology.

The comparative similarities in christianity found in many egyptian mythologies were not later additions on the part of the egyptian religion and myth but rather is on the part of the christian write ups.

The Jesus is not horus thread is absolutely unecessary because there is no way Horus is Jesus, both are distinct characters with comparative similiarities within the myths


But you said they incorporated some Christian teachings to Ancient eastern beliefs which I guess was attributable to those that Merriam-webster pointed out were of the pre-christian era.
I said MOST (and am sure "most" means not all) of the Gnostic gospels are not really gnostic write ups, speaking of real gnostic gospels incorporated with ancient eastern beliefs like i rightly asserted, then the Gospel of philip comes to mind. . . Other gnostic gospels like the gospel of thomas are of the same background with their counter part synoptic gospels.

Parallel lines with no interception in substance no matter how many inscriptions of the form they incorporate!
Parallel in the sense of catholic/pentecostal parallelism...
Christianity Etc › Re: Can One Lie Disqualify A Truth ? by johnydon22(m): 8:44pm On Jul 22, 2015
krattoss:
Now let me give an instance whether is this what the op means?


Now i born 20 children. I tell all of them that i love them, and that they should obey my orders. Now i come back to tell them that if any of them didnt obey my words, i will disown him and make sure he suffers until he repents. If he doesnt, then i will put him in a hole where he will rot.


Now.... The first truth i told was that i love all of them...... On the process u came to ask urself, if i said i loved all, why suffer someone i love maybe for dissobedience. Then is my barbaric action not worst than the disobedience?

Then u now descovered that i lied that i lied. Then u might just begin to contemplate that since i lied that i deceived u with my fake likeness.

THen it is highly possibly that all i have been telling u since are just gibberish and shouldnt be banked on.
In this context. . . .The very barbaric idea of yours that mets out such barbaric punishment on the children you claim to love, kills that truth (I love you) in entirety
Celebrities › Re: Ghana Actress Zynnell Zuh Shares Sexy Pics Ahead Of Her Nigeria's Film Premiere by johnydon22(m): 8:26pm On Jul 22, 2015
Wow really catchy!!!

Thank you almighty photshop!!!

Christianity Etc › Re: Can One Lie Disqualify A Truth ? by johnydon22(m): 8:20pm On Jul 22, 2015
AdeniyiA:
Help me to understand by answering this question "can darkness nullifies light? ... Or can you find darkness in light?? ?....
to me TRUTH is 100%, no single iota of lie can be found in truth ...
There is a place where light and darkness meets in our perception. . its called twilight. . and cannot be regarded as absolute light or absolute darkness. .

Same goes to some truths, remember in my context i am putting a whole large amount of truth into consideration in my answer knowing fully well the angle the Op was hewn from.

So i maintain there are no absolute lies or absolute truth in it. . .
Christianity Etc › Re: How Is Jesus A Descendant Of David? by johnydon22(m): 8:16pm On Jul 22, 2015
Scholar8200:
Since this is so, then it further reinforces the fact that the Gnostic 'gospels' was syncretic and deceptive! {I perceive this action of 'stealing from Christianity' is what gave rise to horus and other personalities who, being Jacob (in the sense of being usurpers) , try to cover themselves with the wool of the Lamb (Jesus Christ)! Meaning they already existed before but later incorporated features of the Truth in order to retain adherents! In fact, Paul's epistle to the Colossians was a rebuttal to the lies of gnosticism being offered, by its exponents, to the believers in Colosse. }
If by horus you are in anyway referring to the egyptian God then you are dead wrong. . .Horus is an ancient egyptian concept and in no way a product of christianity rather one can discern the christian conept borrowed from it because it predates the christian concept with a huge margin.

Most The gospels regarded gnostics are in no way all materials of gnostic writings, most of them have background from second generation christians just like the other gospels you have in the bible e.g The gospel of Thomas.

The exclusion of these gospels in the canonical christian book collection is what relegates them to being referred to as Gnostic write ups .

There are mostly regarded as the new testament deutrocanonical books. . . Gnostic movements became imminent in 2century AD.
Orthodox and Gnostic Christianity still remains paralell lines and all partakes wholesomely from the same fable
Christianity Etc › Re: Can One Lie Disqualify A Truth ? by johnydon22(m): 7:47pm On Jul 22, 2015
AdeniyiA:
Only atheists find lies in truth.
for the rest of us, wherever there's truth(light), lies(darkness) disappear .
cool
Am not sure you even understood the question at allhuh
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Meaning Of Life, As An Atheist? by johnydon22(m): 7:45pm On Jul 22, 2015
herald9:
I use to reason like this, but sometimes my humanity floods in and I can't help being immersed.

You know it's normal for humans to want a better/sugar-coated description to something terrible in order to escape it's full blow.

Just hoping one day I'll be evolved enough to accept reality as it is without blinking.
Alright then. .
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Meaning Of Life, As An Atheist? by johnydon22(m): 7:31pm On Jul 22, 2015
Dapo777:
There is also no reason to assume there is nothing outside our perception
Exactly, so let us maintain the position of agnosticism for that question..
Christianity Etc › Re: Can One Lie Disqualify A Truth ? by johnydon22(m): 7:30pm On Jul 22, 2015
Lies within a truth reduces the quality of that truth. . . And it shows that truth is no absolute truth and therefore cannot be taken as such.

These lies within the truth cannot be taken as absolutes too because in this context one must maintain there is no absolute truth or lie in this regard.

I don't think the lies disqualifies it entirely because there is no absolute in the negate... lets wait for others to teach us more on this
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Meaning Of Life, As An Atheist? by johnydon22(m): 7:23pm On Jul 22, 2015
Dapo777:
I do not know. That's why I asked.
That is it bro, since all we know are encompassed in our perception, there is no way we can know or determine what is outside our percepion and there is absolutely no reason to assume up one
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Meaning Of Life, As An Atheist? by johnydon22(m): 7:21pm On Jul 22, 2015
herald9:
When you realize that no matter how you enjoy, there's something waiting for you.

And as an unbeliever, you don't have the benefit of hoping for something like them religious folks. That's saddening you know.
Nope, maybe for you but not others.

There is a sense of satisfaction that comes with forgoing to live in the hope of abstract fantasies like the one you are proposing.

so i would say for me not living in such fantasies and wishful thinkings gave me a sense of fulfillment in what i have got and no happiness could be greater than that for me
Christianity Etc › Re: How Is Jesus A Descendant Of David? by johnydon22(m): 7:16pm On Jul 22, 2015
Scholar8200:
If I consider the definition of Gnosticism from http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gnosticism as:


: the thought and practice especially of[b] various cults of late pre-Christian[/b] and early Christian centuries distinguished by the conviction that matter is evil and that emancipation comes through gnosis;

then I wont be wrong to say that the gnostic movement existed before the Church and ,like other false groups have done and are doing, tried to squeeze in the true Gospel, into their teachings! This therefore means we can dispense with their writings (aka 'gospels') as a deceptive, syncretic piece of literary work. Unlike the synoptics and John, the gnostics appear to make claims of which there is no OT declaration or prophesy.
I think i would go with scholarly consensus that Gnostic movement emerged as a reaction to Christian movement incorporating many ancient eastern religious teachings to Christianity. That is why they are called Gnostic christians.

Just like the jewish sects Pharisees and seducees and essens differ in belief and theology. . so too is Orthodox christianity and Gnostic christianity a paralell form of christianity
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Meaning Of Life, As An Atheist? by johnydon22(m): 7:06pm On Jul 22, 2015
Dapo777:
Is my perception of what is, the same as what actually is?
And now the questions just swerved into a whole new dimension of which i cannot make any absolute statement on. . .

Since your knowledge of what is depends on your perception, how then would you know if what you percieved is not actually what is outside your perception ?
Christianity Etc › Re: How Is Jesus A Descendant Of David? by johnydon22(m): 6:57pm On Jul 22, 2015
Rilwayne001:
Everything grin lmao.
Lol. . . frosbel is a bit confused concerning what he thinks he believe and what he doesn't. . . Its a journey towards self actualization and emancipation.

A severe conflict between faith and reason.. Belief and reality. .
Christianity Etc › Re: How Is Jesus A Descendant Of David? by johnydon22(m): 6:47pm On Jul 22, 2015
Rilwayne001:
grin Lol.
Whats funny wink
Christianity Etc › Re: How Is Jesus A Descendant Of David? by johnydon22(m): 6:46pm On Jul 22, 2015
McSterling:
In fact, one of the non-synoptic gospels made it to the Bible: the gospel of John. It isn't synoptic. It makes no claims of a virgin birth and contains ideas and many accounts not found in the previous three. Again, it was written later than the other three. It's only John that contains the idea that Jesus is the word or "logus" in Greek. And it is John who tries to make Jesus God or equal with God.
And you know the names the gospels bear are all later additions to it. . . . All the 50 gospels vary in timeline as well as content, individual perception and ideas
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Meaning Of Life, As An Atheist? by johnydon22(m): 6:41pm On Jul 22, 2015
Dapo777:
How is the perception of existence objective? Give me a logical explanation for that.
To percieve existence you must have the ability to percieve which you showed clearly when you distinguished living things from none living things.

So your knowledge of existence is as a result of your perception of what is
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Meaning Of Life, As An Atheist? by johnydon22(m): 6:37pm On Jul 22, 2015
Dapo777:
I mean purpose or value, when I say "meaning" I am not talking about semantics here
And i still maintain just like i and every other person have maintained on this thread. .

Purpose and value is subjective and is independent of others. . . It remains yours and only what you determine yours to be.

You cannot determine the collective purpose or value of every life form
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Meaning Of Life, As An Atheist? by johnydon22(m): 6:35pm On Jul 22, 2015
Dapo777:
That means existence is also a perception that cant be verified objectively? shocked
Just as perception differs, definitions differs. . . In this case PERCEPTION is already an objective factor
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Meaning Of Life, As An Atheist? by johnydon22(m): 6:31pm On Jul 22, 2015
Dapo777:
Put Ur emotions aside for a minute and let's reason.
This isn't about me trying to "encompass others in my meaning or purpose." Its about me finding objective meaning or purpose of life.
Actually i don't employ emotional sentiments in my discussions.

There you go, How can you find the Objective meaning of life. . .There are many forms of life out there like i mentioned earlier, so your meaning must include them, until you find out the meaning of these life forms you cannot hope to make an objective statement regarding the meaning of life (Everything alive)
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Meaning Of Life, As An Atheist? by johnydon22(m): 6:25pm On Jul 22, 2015
Dapo777:
So nothing exists outside the perception of your brain?
Simply put "The perception of existence is rooted in the brain"
Christianity Etc › Re: How Is Jesus A Descendant Of David? by johnydon22(m): 6:23pm On Jul 22, 2015
McSterlin very correct, there are in fact up 50 of these gospels written. . . The ones that made it in the bible are called Synoptic gospels while the ones left out are called Gnostic gospels of which Gnostic christians and churches still make use of some of these texts too. . Many catholic Oral tradition developed from the Gnostic gospels like Mary being born without sin, The parent of Mary being Joachin and Anna and so on
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Meaning Of Life, As An Atheist? by johnydon22(m): 6:17pm On Jul 22, 2015
Dapo777:
Can you say for sure where the stimuli is coming from, outside the perception of your brain?
And this is exactly an irrelevant question because it already has been answered. . Unless you didn't see where i said

Every perception is a product of the brain
Simply put, No perception is independent of the brain. .
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Meaning Of Life, As An Atheist? by johnydon22(m): 6:15pm On Jul 22, 2015
Dapo777:
I don't have any preinformed point to prove here, you are the one saying life is anything i make it to be
This where your misconception started maybe its due to not paying attention to my exact words. . .i said
"The MEANING to your Life is EXACTLY what you give" and meaning in this context was purpose not what life is

And i tell you if thats the case, then life isnt real.

If the intrinsic value of life can't be discovered, can you say life is real? undecided
Again, Value remains subjective and not collective. . .Stop making absolute statements by subjecting everything under one collective umbrella.

You started asking me to define the purpose of micro organisms, trees and insect, seriouslyhuh
Because you seem to limit LIFE to humans in your post. . . You could have included LIFE as we know it and that includes every living organism.
What are you driving at, or what is Ur logic behind this?
Do not wish to encompass others in your meaning or purpose. . . If it is the definition of life you are looking for then there are many of them out there there that does it justice. . . But if it the purpose of life, that part remains Subjective

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