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Tjayjosh:
Seems so barbaric. Is it really
necessary? Why doesn’t God
simply forgive us?” Because God
is holy, He must judge sin. Would
a just and righteous judge let evil
go unpunished? At the cross,
God poured out His judgment on
His Son, satisfying His wrath and
making it possible for Him to
forgive us. That’s why Jesus shed
His blood for your sins, my sins,
and the sins of the whole world.

dalaman:
Not really the first organized religion, no one knows the first organized religions because the religion and its adherents are already dead. Hinduism is the longest surviving organized religion.

Tydies:
The difference is in there ideology. Next time, take your time and interact with them.

scarred9jan:
wait a minute, that guy believed that there is a store house for snow?!!!!!!! choi see stupidity.. no wonder the skydaddy belief.....

Tjayjosh:
The sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so. (Romans 8:7). Jonnydon22. Like i always say to you: you can never comprehend what the scripture says about christ unless you have the spirit of God in you.

italo:
lol...

I see how you dodged the bulk of my post exposing how Plato didn't justify his claims...and how that makes it way off today's Science standard. Infact, today, scientists would call it bogus claims or 'guess' at best.

I see how you cannot show me anywhere in the book - Timaeus where Plato justified or proved his claim.

Typical Atheist who thinks that a good logical argument is made by shouting many insults at the opponent, while avoiding the issue at hand.

If the Eucharist is delusion, then Plato and Aristotle's works were also delusion.

They didn't use the standard scientific method in use today, which was invented by the Catholic Church.

Tjayjosh:
Constant study of the word of God.

italo:
Now, one question for you and your like which I expect you to dodge: cc adsonstone, freecocoa, herald9,

Cc winner01 pls watch.

The Catholic Church has said that the Eucharist is the actual body and blood of Christ and has said it has observed many eucharistic occurrences affirming this.

Does that declaration make it a scientific fact?

italo i think your desperation have taken you off balance... You are asking an atheist that the wafer and 12apostles mass wine really turn into blood and flesh..

Everybody reading this will surely know that you have gone deranged because only One word for that claim is "Delusion" Chronic "Delusion"
Quote me on that anywhere, That you are too childish and gullible enough to swallow the stories of wafers turning into flesh is in no way my problem.

italo:
Forgive me. I meant to say "not the science that Aristotle used to prove that the earth was the Centre of the universe."

Now you can answer to the post.

Hahahahahahaha you are lying italo, what you implied; aristocratic philosophers thought the earth was flat was exactly what you meant... because you even advanced more to ask me more questions on Hellenistic spherical earth which sounded quite new to you...

Don't lie now, you can simply agree to the fact and change grounds without having to lie to cover your as$. that is "science" knowledge improves when new facts are uncovered..

FOLYKAZE:
Does that makes you believe in God (regardless if it exist as an ideal) existence?

Atheist battle about human like being who live in the sky. You leave the ideal and fight after expression

I refer to ideas as ideas

italo:
It was an Atheistic agenda...yes or no?

italo:
.

How did Hellenistic astronomy "establish" that the earth was spherical?

What was the process? Was it recorded? Can you demonstrate that the process was reproducable by any random scientist at the time

These are all compulsory ingredients of Science (the Scientific method) today.

Or did one or two Greek astronomers just say that they have "established" that the earth was spherical? And people accepted it because they were astronomers?

Hahahahaha and now you fall on this shabby defence?

Exactly the same way msgr Georges postulated the Big Bang, the same way Larmarck instigated evolutionary trend... Simply through OBSERVATIONS.

But again let me break it down to your level as to further reveal more of you shabby and desperate defence..

Notable greek philosophers who inferred the spherical earth are..

1)Plato: His works on the spherical earth analogy are well recorded in his book Timaeus..

2)Aristotle: Aristotle (384–322 BC) was Plato's prize student and "the mind of the
school". [18] Aristotle observed "there are stars seen in Egypt and [...] Cyprus
which are not seen in the northerly regions." Since this could only happen on a
curved surface, he too believed Earth was a sphere "of no great size, for
otherwise the effect of so slight a change of place would not be quickly
apparent."..

You see Aristotle's conclusion was based on his usage of the scientific method of OBSERVATION of star constellations.... His works are also recorded in his book meteorology ..

You want argue more on it?

italo:
I don't see anywhere you proved that the Greeks scientifically proved that the earth was round.

Maybe it miraculously got deleted.

Would you be kind enough to repost the evidence Sir?

Thank you.

italo:
Not the science that Aristotle and others used to discover that the earth was flat...without proof.

"The concept of a spherical Earth dates back to around the 6th century BC,
when it was mentioned in ancient Greek philosophy, but remained a matter
of philosophical speculation [size=16] until the 3rd century BC, when Hellenistic astronomy established the spherical shape of the earth as a physical given.[/size]
" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth

Lets hope you also know hellenistic refers to greek....Further shows you philosophy is birth parent of science..

Now choose the ignorant one between us

italo:
@ Johnydon22, you said I was naive, ignorant etc...

You said the ancient Greeks used the ingredients of the modern scientific method...and they knew that the earth was round.

I asked you to show me where the ancient Greeks ever proved scientifically that the earth was round.

You suddenly went silent.

Can we then agree that you're the one who speaks in ignorance and naivete?

Or you're still looking for the evidence?

Thoniameek:
Ahn ahn..... Not refuting anything there
As matter of fact I agree with everything you just wrote

But, am not denying the presence of my creator

Hahahahaha am not asking you to lay waste your convictions abeg...

At least give credit to the people who deserve it, we all know how you came into existence..it was a long night..hahahaha

Eddlad:
Read the story I wrote in response to 'davien'
Atheist have gotten it backward,God doesnt own it to you or anyone to prove anything for crying out loud,he can create a million of you if he so wishes so tell me why he would show up,cause you dared him?Sure.

Thoniameek:
Noted, I'll be delighted to,,,,,,,, whenever my plan is fully birthed

Whatever you're on right now, more grease to your elbow

And I still do not mind helping in whatever way that I can now..... Maybe volunteering

Eddlad:
Of cause not, I infered u must be an atheist and last I checked that was one of its pillars.(the big bang)

freecocoa:
It's not a misconception

I am telling him that a group of atheists deciding to do something and tag it a result of atheism does not make it true, since he(Italo)is ignorant of the meaning of atheism, let's just sarcastically assume.

No one can do anything in the name of atheism is what am saying.

Thoniameek:
[Actually, I've plans of starting my own foundation

And there's this thing say when I have the opportunity to speak at any gathering...... I tell them that in their lifetime aside their children they should endeavour to train up a child to whatever level they did their children

Thoniameek:
How I wish I have something to say to you

Since I can't tell God to you, I resort to telling you to God

plaetton:


You can't be serious.

This is a joke , right?

FOLYKAZE:
Idealogical God exist only as an idea. You cant deny it existence seeing how it direct one mind to every which way.

Exactly, this is precisely the point atheists are trying to make

Thoniameek:
Correct!

Oh my! Am surprised you knew that

Well..... Maybe not

You know everything, so that you're lost in your own knowledge....

I don't know any of those logical nonsense you're expecting from me. But hey! I know what I know, now that's called conviction

italo:
Yet the Albanian constitution said the state pursues an Atheist propaganda.



And it killed for that purpose.

Remains a political agenda boy. . . Anything constitutional is governmental and political, deal with it

italo:
Show me where Ancient Greeks ever proved that the earth was round...for starters.

Let's see who is ignorant.

To kill this once and for all..

"The concept of a spherical Earth dates back to around the 6th century BC,
when it was mentioned in ancient Greek philosophy, but remained a matter
of philosophical speculation [size=20] until the 3rd century BC, when Hellenistic astronomy established the spherical shape of the earth as a physical given.[/size]
" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth

Lets hope you also know hellenistic refers to greek....Further shows you philosophy is birth parent of science..

Now choose the ignorant one between us

italo:
Now this sounds like Atheism is a doctrine, Johnydon22.

Its a clear misconception on her part of which is obvious..

Whether someone is good or bad has no effect or anything to do with atheism...anybody's behaviour GOOD or BAD is sorely their doing..

Atheist simply means "This guy disbelieves the existence of deities

italo:
I'm talking about Science in the modern sense of the word, which mainly refers mainly to the Scientific method that Roger Bacon developed...with full observation, experimentation, verification, peer review etc

Not the science that Aristotle and others used to discover that the earth was flat...without proof.