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Christianity Etc › Re: Society And Atheism by johnydon22(m): 10:19am On Jul 19, 2015

theAtheist101:
Better still, get the man am education and a job, so you wouldn't need to feed him again.

That too falls within the scope of a moral action and is a very good one

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Christianity Etc › Re: Society And Atheism by johnydon22(m): 10:18am On Jul 19, 2015

superior1:
How did you know my God?, the question then is what is wrong in slavery?

This i think should be my last reply to you, if you had looked carefully on the definition of morality i gave you should have known everything is wrong in slavery........ Let me define it again so as to show you the premise from whence conclusion is drawn.

Moral Actions are actions that DECREASES individual human suffering, and/or betters societal well being, EQUALITY, FREEDOM AND JUSTICE

going by this definition SLAVERY we all know INCREASES individual suffering of the victim instead of DECREASING IT.

and SLAVERY is a DETRIMENT to the FREEDOM, EQUALITY AND JUSTICE meted to the victim instead of bettering it.

I am sure any sane human will know this to be clear

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Christianity Etc › Re: Society And Atheism by johnydon22(m): 10:11am On Jul 19, 2015

dalaman:
Tell me what is good when I come to your house. Abduct you and your kids. Sell you off to a person in a far away land that considers you to be his property the way he considers hoe. He beats you and treats you badly. You work for him and he doesn't pay you any wages. He only gives you food and basic clothing to survive. He decides what you do with your life till you die. He can sleep with your wife or daughter anytime he wants. You are just to keep working for him most of your time. He brutalizes you when ever he wants. Your entire existence is just tp serve him. Tell me why that is a good system.

This is the type of question that sells theists out to be barbaric and daft. . .How can a human not know what is wrong in slavery . . . The guy has no idea he is busy down writing his moral basis from anyway he got it from

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Christianity Etc › Re: Society And Atheism by johnydon22(m): 10:06am On Jul 19, 2015

superior1:
You obviously don't understand my original post, who/what determines this as being good or bad?

Humans, the society and you... Your good actions are towards others and so others knows when you were good or not. . . MORALITY IS SORELY A HUMAN CONCEPT and so it takes humans to recognize a moral action when they see one

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Christianity Etc › Re: Society And Atheism by johnydon22(m): 10:03am On Jul 19, 2015

superior1:
Why should I give my food to the hungry man since I worked to make my own living, how is it morally right to share what I earned with another person, isn't that violating my own right to what I earned? and who is the judge and the maker of this moral actions?

[b]I think you purposely is swimming in your own misconceptions abou the simple concept above.

Nobody makes it mandatory that you should give the food to anybody, so that you give it is by choice and not obligation.

I give to the hungry because i care for them, because i want to and because am compassionate and empathic towards them.

So why you should act that way is sorely your choice and not in any way being forced on you by anything or anyone but YOU.

Please the bolded makes me want to forgo this discussion because its beginning to sound am talking with a minor.
Please how is what you decide with your own property violation of your right?
You have it and you decide if you want to share or not, how exactly has that got anything to do with violation of right.

Or you don't know what right is? If somebody forced you to give against your wish then it is violation of right But nobody is forcing you or making it mandatory you give, it is sorely YOUR choice and RESPONSIBLITY.

For the last part, Morality is a human concept.....

i.e:Please i wouldn't entertain any more childish questions like the one you asked about rights. . i would appreciate mature discourse.[/b]

Christianity Etc › Re: Society And Atheism by johnydon22(m): 9:49am On Jul 19, 2015

davien:
You've become a pro in discussing morality

Lol yeye boy

Christianity Etc › Re: Society And Atheism by johnydon22(m): 9:49am On Jul 19, 2015

superior1:
What do you mean by societal morality, how is measured and how can we judge it?

Perhaps you didn't read where i defined secular definition of morality, cus if you did you wouldn't have asked this question... Let me define it again.
Actions that DECREASES individual human suffering and/or betters sociatal well being, freedom, equality and justice
Am sure this definition is enough to show you actions that falls within the moral scale and so have answered your question on how it is meausred.

Let me give you an example in case you did not get it.
e.g: You gave a meal to a hungry man......... Judging from the definition of morality above, that your action DECREASE the suffering of that individual. . .So you see? it falls on the scope of a moral action.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists Are Very "Wise" by johnydon22(m): 9:43am On Jul 19, 2015

NumberOne2:
Many Atheist claim that Theist have mental problems by believing in a "non existent" God. They feel they are more intelligent than religious folks.

You know i do not regard religious folks to be mentally deranged, in fact i strongly opposed and disagreed with this notion even in the thread about it more than you who is a theist.
Most atheist do not agree with that notion and is against it yet somehow you stereotype atheist in order to pour out your sentiments.

Actually this thread wreaking of misconceptions and misinformation actually leans you off towards that notion you were trying to refute. . You have added more weight to that notion because this thread is totally disapointing. I don't know why but i expected better.

Ok lets see some facts out of many:

Ok let me show you none of them are facts and has absolutely nothing to do with atheism, Just your misconception and poor cognition of scientific facts. . .Its nobody's fault you didn't read your science books

1) Many Atheist are superstitious. They believe in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus but those that believe in God are crazy.

First misconception, superstition is a personal ideolgy and belief. . .Individuals differ in this regard. Being superstitious has nothing to do with belief and unbelied in deities. . So this has nothing to do with atheism and most atheist do not share any of your superstition, so this shouldn't have made the list, its not so surprising tho

2) They believe a Big Bang came from nothing. So, in the begining there was nothing, then NOTHING exploded and something formed.

[b]
(n.b: I still maintain i do not know how anything started so do not agree with any thoery until that branch of study is perfected) so having shown an not a Big Bangist, lets proceed.

Honestly this is very disgracing, NumberOne2 at least you should have read the Big Bang theory even if you don't believe so you wouldn't be making this type of laughable presentation in public forums.

LAW OF CONSERVATION OF ENERGY states; Energy cannot be created nor destroyed but changes from one state to another.

Looking at this it is easy to discern science never stipulated there was nothing.
Again Big bang is not an explosion but an expansion...

Many theist as well as many atheist agree with this scientific theory, so this has nothing to do with atheists... SECOND MISCONCEPTION AND POOR ANALOGY.

Actually on the other hand it is you who is a theist believes the world came from NOTHING.
first god came out of NOTHING, created the universe by just talking (NOTHING) now tell me who thinks the universe came out of Nothing?[/b]

3) They believe in Evolution which is probably "VERY SMART" in that given enough time, glass, plastic, water, engine oil and metals can EVOLVE into a car.

Again am not an evolutionist but atleast read before saying in public.

Many THEIST as well as ATHEIST agree with the scientific THEORY of evolution. You can google to know what a theory means...this has nothing to do with atheism...THIRD MISCONCEPTION.

Comparing inanimate objects with organic materials again sells you off to be quite a disappointing figure when it comes to scientific knowledge.
You forgot oil, plastic, glass and many other materials up there existed naturally in an organic state before MAN refined them. The products are inanimate so stop comparing it with a biological or organic entity .

Ok Man is known to reproduce, why do cars not reproduce? . . . . This one characteristic of reproduction should have been enough to show you not compare biological entity and inanimate objects. . and this shows transfer of genetic traits from parent to offspring is a well know undisputable knowledge. . Wildly put; Its exactly what evolution entails.

So how wise are these folks? One scripture comes to mind... Romans 1:22-23

Actually you ended up selling yourself instead and proving those atheists that regard theist to be retarded right.

And drop the bible quoting and pick up 21st century science books for your own good.. Because this things you presented on this topic are just pitiable as well as laughable.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Society And Atheism by johnydon22(m): 8:58am On Jul 19, 2015

superior1:
There cant really be societies without laws, the laws give face to a society. The problem however is that each societies/countries have their own laws which may not be in tandem with others, the issue is how do we determine which laws/behaviors are good, bad and human outside religion?

I will like to get opinions of Atheists on this

[b]You are not serious right? So you are meaning to tell us you have no independent morals except what your religion gives you?

Tell me, do you need to consult the bible, quran or any other religious book before you know murder is wrong?

If you don't then how come you can't differentiate between sociatal morality and religious morality.
Secular states and country have no business with religious morals when enacting laws, thats why you see legalization of homosexuality even when your religion is against it, Nobody cares what religion thinks.

Morality is not Islamic neither is it christian or hindu. Morality is human, it belongs to no ism. and it is not dependent on any creed, book or supernatural for foundation because morality itself is a foundation.

Secular definition of Morality is: Actions that decreases human suffering and/or betters societal well being, freedom, equality and justice. . .

Am sure judging from this you can simply discern how moral actions are determined and not what religion says.[/b]

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Christianity Etc › Re: Belief In God Is A Mental Illness by APA by johnydon22(m): 10:21pm On Jul 18, 2015

Formidable1:
It is not really about the belief in the thing that matters, but the effect of that belief on your reasoning capacity and your behaviour.

Sometimes emotional sentiments towards a particular subject affects our reason. . . It still doesn't make you retarded in any way. . . I strongly disagree with the fact that belief in God(s) is a mental disorder. . its a very wrong analogy. . it may impair logic in fields that defile this belief but it is not a mental disorder in anyway. . Its a position of belief riddled in emotion

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Christianity Etc › Re: Belief In God Is A Mental Illness by APA by johnydon22(m): 8:41pm On Jul 18, 2015

[size=16]This is an absolutely wrong analogy. . . very stupendous as it is preposterous. . . Belief in a thing does not in anyway equate mental disorder. . . I totally disagree with this [/size]

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Christianity Etc › Re: Major African Gods And Their Origin by johnydon22(m): 6:13pm On Jul 18, 2015

peedeeasobie:
And you answer John and not ogbunigwe or akenrolu or tanko?
Change your name and start answering something more native!

Whenmenchoosetheirowngods#

My name is Chukwuemeka ...

Christianity Etc › Re: Major African Gods And Their Origin by johnydon22(m): 4:43pm On Jul 18, 2015

Teempakguy:
it is high time we matched these people in the film making industry.

And also religion propagation. . . We have our own african Gods and deities yet we leave ours and swallow theirs and carry their mythology for head like our own...

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Christianity Etc › Re: Major African Gods And Their Origin by johnydon22(m): 4:22pm On Jul 18, 2015

An2elect2:
Did i tell you i didn't understand the op?

Then can we keep it African and leave the jewish concepts to the jewish tilted Ops?

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by johnydon22(m): 4:18pm On Jul 18, 2015

IsaacBuchi:
I don't see God but I feel his impact.....I cannot attribute the whole world, the tiny atom, the billions on billions of memory card in my brain, the precise mathematical movement of the universe, the millions of data in my DNA to mere chance. I would be taking the credit that belongs to someone away. That could hate, even mere humans are hurt by plagiarism.

But ironically you would attribute the existence of that god to a mere chance and not take away the credit that belongs to another god that created that god?

Its more like you deify the laws of the universe, This notion shows of a pantheistic tilt rather than a theistic one

Christianity Etc › Re: Major African Gods And Their Origin by johnydon22(m): 4:11pm On Jul 18, 2015

An2elect2:
I only know Jesus

And Jesus is Jewish, the Op said AFRICAN

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by johnydon22(m): 4:05pm On Jul 18, 2015

timonski:
At least, as a rational person, i would first ask myself..."how did this lunatic know my full name?"...
Your reply shows that you are not willing to consider any evidence for the Almighty Creator!

You see what assumptions have done to you? . . assumptive scenerios are now your proof of your supposed god? you must be joking i see...

so lets move on AFTER ASKING YOURSELF THE QUESTION, WHAT THEN WILL YOU DO?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by johnydon22(m): 4:03pm On Jul 18, 2015

IsaacBuchi:
So if I get it clearly, you are doing findings for the logical source of human existence. So how far have you come?

Many thesis have been put up for this of which the God hypothesis is one, abiogenesis etc. . .Until one is proven and substantiated. . I still maintain i do not know

Would not living a life of being irresponsible for once action or being accountable drive human life crazy?

Actually it won't unless you mean to tell us it will for you.

I am an atheist, i disbelief your god and judgement concept yet you do not see me going about killing people, blowing up houses. . actually boko haram and other militias who do this actually believe the notion of judgement and all, But how come they still act in a morally depraved way?

If there isn't human life won't go crazy; there will still be good people doing good things and bad people doing bad things

Christianity Etc › Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by johnydon22(m): 3:57pm On Jul 18, 2015

bi0nics:
Do you believe in materialism?

Actually i do

Christianity Etc › Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by johnydon22(m): 3:51pm On Jul 18, 2015

timonski:
lol. This makes you sound close-minded

Let see who exactly is close minded here. . . .tell me exactly what you will make of it if a madman calls you by name and tell you that you serve Osiris ? (When you employ assumptive questions, it is very ok to make you answer it first)

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by johnydon22(m): 3:48pm On Jul 18, 2015

hahn:
Op. Please format your post to be more readable

The Op as copied and pasted as it is, is riddled with many misconceptions, assumptions, misrepresentation of many notions to cook a poorly worked christian apologetic article.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by johnydon22(m): 3:46pm On Jul 18, 2015

timonski:
So if a madman calls you by your name and tells you serve yahweh, what would you make it?

exactly what you will make of it if a mad man calls you by name
and tell you that you serve Osiris

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by johnydon22(m): 3:45pm On Jul 18, 2015

IsaacBuchi:
But science do not see a lot of things such as air, but believe in them and base their theories on them.

statements like this sell you off to be naive honestly. . . . Air can be measured, air in motion (wind) can be seen. . .Now tell me the method you used to determine the existence of YOUR own god concept...

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by johnydon22(m): 3:43pm On Jul 18, 2015

bi0nics:
.

The Existence of God x Incapable of proof

More Like Einstein

Exactly,

and i disblief exactly the notion of spiritual
god concepts like Wotan, thor, yahweh, allah, osiris and every other concept humanity have cooked up within the years

Christianity Etc › Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by johnydon22(m): 3:35pm On Jul 18, 2015

bi0nics:
What are you?

Agnostic?

Agnostic atheist

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by johnydon22(m): 3:34pm On Jul 18, 2015

IsaacBuchi:
I think it is logical to say that every thing created is by a higher intelligence. That is what I think is scientifically true. I accept that logic unless, you prove me wrong.

it is absolutely illogical and irrational to fill a gap you don't have answers to with any thesis that pops in mind, it is misleading as it is preposterous. . it kill the intellectual curiosity that drives the zeal to learn what exactly happend.

If we have swallowed the god did answers of the ancient men, we wouldn't have gone to space by now, we would still be of the opinion that the sky is the abode of the gods.

Your analogy is like "I don't know how a child is formed, heck that means i will just believe a god does it" But just a simple touch of science with the use of ultra sound you can monitor the formation of a child first hand see exactly how it forms. . .

"God did it" is never an answer to any question

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by johnydon22(m): 3:30pm On Jul 18, 2015

IsaacBuchi:
But, Atheist belief is based on faith and religious belief is based on faith. So atheist should not also claim the non-existence, is it not?

Disbelief is not a weight on the negate. . . atheism in a nutshell is simply "I don't believe you" so until you as the claimant of the god thesis proves your claim it is still as good as nothing. . . . Only Gnostic atheist will make the absolute statement "Am sure there is no god"

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism by johnydon22(m): 3:05pm On Jul 18, 2015

IsaacBuchi:
Pls I don't understand this thinking? How did the amazing universe and the intricate beauty of man came about?

That you don't know how something came about doesn't imply you should cook up any imaginary fiction to fill this gap. . .just say you don't know until study and observations proves otherwise

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Ping-pong Masters -- God And Satan. by johnydon22(m): 3:02pm On Jul 18, 2015

emrain:
we are all manifestation of The creator.

the choice is yours to either be good or bad.

it's all about choice.

Yes exactly but it depends on what exactly you are referring to as the creator

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Science/Technology › Re: Who Can Explain Any Of These? by johnydon22(m): 12:52pm On Jul 18, 2015

Teempakguy:
@ Frehage

Sorry . . . I could not find out . . . perhaps if I were to see the rotor itself. I would be able to deduce what type it was.

Have been OFF for a while, data issue and my opera is not working. . . if i get this opera working might attempt the questions . . firefox sucks!!!

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheost. What Is Your Best Religion by johnydon22(m): 12:49pm On Jul 18, 2015

menesheh:
yea but your answer didn't say anything abt the post.

theAtheist101 , johnydon22 , plaetton , davien, onanaira6 and other freethinkers

which amongst those numerous religious illusions would you be more confortable with or accept as in the case of dilemmas.

We have many options to consider. . . Christianity, they have really cool music
Buddhism, toaism. . Very cool guys and beautiful ways.
Islam: Pheeeeeeeew joke
Hinduism; Many Gods are involved even an elephant God..lol
Judaism; A twisted barbarism in the name of morals

i think amidst all this i will have to go with the religion of my own people, the igbo traditional religion.

Let the jews, chinese, arab believe their own myths

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Lies Christian Fundamentalism Taught Me by johnydon22(m): 9:28pm On Jul 16, 2015

frosbel:
you say that because you were born into a Christian family, what if you had been born a Muslim or Hindu ?

Besides I still believe in God and the Christ, I have only discarded the disgusted veil of Christianity and its scam.

Isn't it ironic frosbel that you now think christianity is a scam but yet again the same Scam (christianity) sold you the concept of God and Jesus to which you still believe. . . I can say its kinda of very amusingly ironic...

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