₦airaland Forum

hahn:
She is a taekwando start. Did you see that kick?

UncleSnr:
@Johnydon22 where are you, see free visa.

hahn:
In a theistic sense the nature of god's interaction is more as an evasive maneuver that anything else and it is also very contradictory

hahn:
From the theistic position 1 is more likely because god can do whatever it likes

hahn:
But theists who worship their pastors and cannot make simple decisions on relationships, business and life in general without consumption their religious leaders and who apply their religious teachings and refuse any logical evidence, like those who believe the world is 4000 years old because it is written in the bible, greatly outweigh those who think independently.

No. Even children show that skepticism is natural. A child who is taught the bible without coercion will easily see the flaws in it. Theism imposes it's beliefs and insists on blind faith without evidence.

But then believing in these things to the point that they argue, insult, disown their family members and even non believers is an act of foolishness

I didn't realise the op is comparing atheism and theism. I understood that theism is the topic of discussion Herr.

Lol. We are the dominant species because of our ability to survive and create tools.

I stand by the statement that religion is one of the reasons why we have not progressed even farther as a species.

Theism was our first shot at explaining the universe and it is our worst try because it was born out of our ignorance of the world and how it works

LordReed:
Not for an intelligent transcendental being supposedly in contact with us. If you are arguing for a deist or noninteracting deity sure why not, knock yourself out. The moment you try to argue into existence an interacting god, I think you've lost the plot.

LordReed:
Why do we need arguments for a god's existence? Do you need arguments for the Sun's existence?

vaxx:
The atheist comment here are laughable .

To suggest that theistic arguments are weak is to dismiss the capability of philosophical and theological heavyweights from Augustine to Maimonides to Aquinas to Erasmus to Descartes. To suggest the arguments of these figures are weak is to suggest many of the greatest thinkers in history were philosophically inept - is beyond absurd. It is utterly clear, at this point, that you are measuring the strength of an idea by how much you agree with it.

There are plenty of rock solid arguments for the existence of God, but some of them need to be developed gradually like a complicated court case.

Some theistic arguments are weak sure, while some ate very strong but some atheists just lack the rational capacity to understand them. Both represent the poorest end of a richer narrative

LordReed:
OK. The evidence should be recordable, testable and repeatable. Say for the Christian god and the claims of the ability to resurrect its own body. It should manifest a body, allow scientists to dismember the body then put the dismembered parts back whole and living. Do this as many times to ascertain there is no trick involved and it is beyond our capacity to perform.

Scientific speculations are acknowledged to be wholly human so debate is allowed and welcome but a transcendent god capable of interacting should have no such problems.

Analogy: I assume you have never seen Barack Obama in person nor have you medically examined him but you are fairly certain he is of African decent, male, was one time president, has a mother and father, etc. We have no such certainty for almost any characteristic of the god claim. Why would an intelligent being be unable to so clearly communicate its nature and render such scholarly debates frivolous?

Martinez19:
Seems your were right after all. I respect your objectivity

LordReed:
Apparently the god claims are not the same. Its kind of unfair to demand a piece of evidence that is out of character for the particular god claim.

No they aren't. Just within Christianity alone there as many as 30k+ denominations with different ideas of the god and its message. That's one hell of a cacophony.

Martinez19:
The claims of theistic positions have no concrete basis in reality. In fact, they have no basis at all. They all have to be accepted by faith and they cannot survive critical thinking and logical analysis.

hahn:
How so?

The theistic position forces us believe in things without any evidence

and suggests that without a god we are incapable of being good.

The mere fact that theists promote ridiculous claims and fictional characters as reality proves that it is an implication of man's stupidity. Not intelligence

Believing in god brings out the stupidity in humans

LordReed:
Whatever is sufficient to justify the claim ie define the god, define the evidence.

Doesn't justify the cacophony. Messages from a disparate group of gods should be coherent enough to distinguish.

hahn:
The moment you believe in any god you voluntarily have to

- Give up your common sense
- Become a slave to your spiritual leader ie pastor, imam etc

Everything is wrong with believing in any god. The idea is an insult to the human intellect

LordReed:
As a former theist here are some of the problems I came up against:

1. Lack of evidence: the evidence for a god or gods is severely lacking and the ones usually presented are not unequivocal ie they can be explained by other means.

2. The necessity of faith: I came to the realisation that no truth in this universe currently requires faith for its operation. Truths are independent of belief.

3. The inconsistency in the knowledge of what a deity is supposed to be as well as its characteristics: I would surmise that if a deity wants its existence known it would provide the same information to everyone who is interested. Instead we have a whole bunch of differing doctrines of what a deity is. Either the deity is not giving the information and men are trying to conjecture it or the deity is incapable of maintaining information about itself.

budaatum:
No. Your 2, does not necessarily follow. The fact that a thing exists does not imply that a thing maker must exist, and is shown by the simple fact that believers in creators would argue that there is no creators creator ad infinitum. You got to wonder why they don't extend 2 to their gods, unless one wishes to be lazy. Thats why we call it the god of the gaps. The ignorance we fill in our ignorance with.

MrPresident1:
Everyone who does what the spiritual favours will be blessed, and this principle is, loving your neighbour as yourself.

People must arise and take control of their lives and destinies, they must disbelieve all fables, they must work hard and care for friends and families and even foes just as the Master commanded. He who has should share with he who does not have.

This is 2019, all messages must be about the commonsense application of wisdom (fear of God) and knowledge, no more place for fuzzy thought processes.

We must start and continue to strongly encourage the people to take responsibility for their lives!

Proverbs 22:29
Seest thou a man diligent in his business? he shall stand before kings; he shall not stand before mean men.

Atheists, Agnostics, Theists, Freethinkers etc., work on your environment, in your immediate sphere show the people how to care for themselves. Tell them to take control of their lives

malvisguy212:
I read your damn thing, and this is what I was referring to:

"
The churches were huge magnificent edifices
with magnanimous decoration, mostly still at
construction with work incessantly on going -
they must have cost millions.
The schools? They were old, dangly, tattered
roofs, some parts of the roofs were totally off,
old rusted zincs, death traps of a building
spotting bright paints.
This was a clear depiction of the idiocy of the
Nigerian people.
The poor people that lived and attended these
churches, contributed money for the construction
of these marvelous wonder house for God whom
they all ironically agree do not live on earth."

hope you understand now ?

OpenYourEyes1:
Government schools are government responsiblities. Are the missionary/church schools not well funded too?

HellVictorinho:
Yes,there are many idiots in Nigeria.
But the same thing can be said of the U.S,Germany, Japan,etc.
You can find IDIOCY displayed in different ways in different countries all over the world!!!!

TheKingdom:
Don't you guys know that the Nigger Army is only there for one reason-to keep the status quo the same so that Queen Eliza and her societies can continue to rule and reap una?

They have fought any war, they dont have any professional institutes or mindset, they have quacks they call Major General this and that, and only can fight unarmed civilians well.

England put us together, as did Europeans in Africa, and they have armed a small bunch of thugs that they call Nigerian Army, Sierra Leone Army, etc, and allow men from those ranks to become President and Head of state day in day out.


OPEN YOUR EYES to the manipulation

asuustrike1:
What point exactly that op doesn't research well or choose to write something that doesn't make sense or what?

Blitzerz:
So this is what you have donated to the school nearest to you?

Talk about idiocy!

asuustrike1:
It seems you are ignorant or you choose to be admant on what is on ground. First of all your write up is myopic because you use one village to judge the entire country. Have you visited other parts of the countries to see good schools?. Please try and tour round the 36 states to see numerous schools. That the government is inefficient in their responsibility doesn't mean the church should be shoulder with responsibility of building schools as the ones built by them have been taken over by the government.

Blitzerz:
You are still sounding ignorant
By claiming people dont give to schools
There are many members of the community who give back to schools only for the resources to be mismanaged by govt officials.

But no, its their donations to Church that is painful for u. Yeye.

By the way, what have you donated to the school nearest to you?

nwakaibe:
Most of the Schools near the churches, Catholic and Anglican, were built by the churches. Gowon ordered Government take over of schools from the churches after the civil war. But Government is not maintaining the schools. In some states like Lagos, Anambra, the churches have gotten back some of the schools especially the secondary schools.

malvisguy212:
its gives you joy to criticized churches and pastors. most of this schools are government school, pastors or churches has nothing to do here.

what most churches has provide for book haram victims in Kaduna, not even government or army can do it.

Blitzerz:
The people you are criticizing have built more schools than you, ran more charities than u.

Since you are an atheist, start with your own free well furnished schools free for the masses.
Then come back and rant.