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Hier:
There is a phone with a virus

There is a phone without a virus

The virus doesn't affect the hardware, it destroys the software

A phone with a virus can be removed and if not removed would lead to the destruction of the phones program hence making the phone good as bad.

Bad phones goes to the trash, good phones lives on

Hier:
God is a Spirit

Whatever God sees, He weigh the level of their spirituality, either positive or negative

All negative spirits goes to hell. Case closed, it's simple maths

Dami12345:


Ask questions, you are on your way to become enlightened

frosbel2:
Jesus is not the only way to God and Muhammed does
not possess the absolute truth.

Truth to each and everyone of us is relative.

madrid5:
really you nor be atheist again,a lot of writings got me out of church(thankfully),

Chidany:
When a man is born blind, how can you describe the WHITE COLOUR TO HIM? You are not savable until you drop the STUPIDITY OF ATHEISM... The only way a blind mind can see light is to believe an enlightened mind...Follow a mind that is not stupid

Chidany:
You are right sir...Stupidity, the height of it can be proved... I concur with you on that...You will not understand the benefits of a belief in God until you have a taste of God...And you can't have a taste of God if you do not read my posts as suggested - thoughtfully, with an enlightened mind

servercodes001:
So,
A man touched by someone he doesn't know and he immediately handed over his money he just collected from the bank, it's the science of the mind for an adult to give his entire money and cry afterwards??

Do you mean people choose to become insane and roam around after someone buried items on their doorstep, why do they become Normal again after it's dugged out and destroyed

I can give you thousands of examples, please tell me whether all this are setups for entertainment or deceit

LordReed:
We are largely agreed.

Let's boil this down a bit. There is no objective basis of morality. There are no objective values. We assign value to things. When we assign value to something we consider positive we call it good. Good is not an inherent property, it is a result of the value we assigned.

Now unto where we differ. You think because we assigned value that it remains good because one frame of reference is as good as the other.

Am I correct so far?

festwiz:
The guy's reply weak me sha.

LordReed:
You mean survival and procreate are not the "goal" of almost every biological organism?

Of the all the participants.

So what is the basis for change.

Don't put words in my mouth I never mentioned inherent anywhere. And I if you don't want to use well being as the basis that is fine. You can tell us what your own basis is.

I already pointed out the contradiction. In one place you say morality is about good and bad in another you its not about wrong or right. Maybe you should define morality so we are clear what it is we are discussing.

It is good because we assigned value to it.

Again you can choose to say it is no good but you'll have to show me how impeding your well being is a value we should want or if you reject well being tell us the alternative.

LordReed:
Well being is the "goal" of almost all biological organisms.

It is neither good nor bad, it just is. No humanist will say those things are good because for one they impede the goal of achieving well being.

So 4000years ago impeding the well being of people was good?

Does the time when a thing happened matter?

Couple that with them saying an all knowing god instructed them to continue to impede the well being of others and I am pretty sure those people were talking out their arse.

I throw the question back at you. You seem to be contradicting yourself. This you:



So maybe you should be clear about what you mean by morality.

If you apportion positive value to the things that aid well being then that thing is good and vice-versa.

LordReed:
Is it that you don't understand what I wrote or what? I have given the basis for why genocide and slavery are wrong and you ask me the same question again and again.

How about you tell me how we should judge these matters, I have said my piece.

It is not good, it is well being,

if you don't want well being that's fine.

LordReed:
Exactly. If the basis is wellbeing how can it be correct?

We have had this discussion before, objective morality doesn't exist. All morality is subjective because we are the ones giving value to anything. Not even the so called god issued moral edicts are objective.

What is important is that we find a good basis for evaluating action and consequence. I choose well being as my basis and I dare say that so far there is little to fault with such a basis.

LordReed:
No it does not. For instance no humanist will agree that slavery or genocide is correct. If the basis of your morality is wellbeing how can you ever say genocide or slavery is correct?

LordReed:
It shows up how the logic of a morality based on gods turns out to be nothing but hot air.

In the first part if morality is defined by the statements of god then everything the god does is correct so genocide is correct as well as slavery, things we in this day and age outrightly reject. By extension it means our morality is superior to the god's own.

jesusjnr:
I see you've suddenly lost your voice, that you now needed to ask for the help of a God you don't even believe exists!

jesusjnr:
It's strange that it yet hasn't occurred to you the reason you don't feel at home was because you were in the wrong place.

For this is a religious section for crying out loud, not an atheism/non-religious/paganism hang out that you would expect to cater for your obsessive and insatiable craving for pointless arguments and debates.

So if you're so bored, what's stopping you from leaving us alone in our own section. Na by force?

Better still why not request for a nonreligious section so that you guys can argue with yourselves till death do y'all part for all we care.

But it seems that, that would be hell compared to the religious section as this where you really get your groove on.

So quit complaining and give us some credit for at least making your already boring lives not even more boring than it would have been without us in the mix.

HappyPagan:
Ww probably got used to each other's arguments. It isn't the section that's declining in new contents.. We need contributors that spark new ideas, bring new perspectives to topics and issues.

Or old contributors should just close accounts and come back with new names. And new arguments.

HappyPagan:
True.

This section never recovered from HBG and Ajibams modship. Spread poison round like Mourinho.

But thata the past. Surely we could revive it? A lot of people learn from threads here. Our posts influence thinking, whether they make front page or not.


Of course, you have people like Anas who will forever be Christ's bride, or MrPresident who will be waiting for Jesus till his last breath..


But there are a few, who have doubts, for whom our words fertilize the grounds of skepticism, counter fear and illusions that keep the mind captive.. For them, keeping this community alive would be worth it.

Ranchhoddas:
Oasis of godlessness!

MrPresident1:
Her patience will be rewarded. Your intransigence will be rewarded too. African atheist, what a contradiction.

Greed will not kill you

Anas09:
Oh, how i wish He comes this night. I don taya wif dey nonsense of the atheists.

DonBenny77:
If you don't believe in tithing it means you can't comprehend the bible, because it is crystal clear and if you are against it then you are an Antichrist. And its even worse because you can't face your front and mind your business. Trying to discourage others who believe tithing works for them is evil and demonic of you.

Calling you Antichrist isnt an insult, I'm jus being logical.

You think you know more than the millions of people that pay tithe, think again. Stick your opinion up your ass

Note I'm not a born again and dont even have a church I call mine not to talk of tithe but I can read and assimilate

francis247:
Two words - Moderation and Equality.
A universe devoid of all forms of extremism, unhealthy rivalry, bitterness and strife. A universe where extreme pain, sorrow and anguish is but a dream and real joy, laughter, merriment and satisfaction is a core part of our reality not only for a select few but for each and everyone. A universe where everyone is mentally, physically and psychologically placed on an equal pedestal, if not completely, at least almost. The parity is simply too much. A universe of one tribe, race and religion. A universe totally devoid of all forms of discrimination, hate and abuse, one where we would not have to tolerate each other because we're all exactly like each other. A universe where each and everyone matters, I mean truly matter in the scheme of things.

francis247:
Reorder and re-engineer the entire universe. The whole system is quite 4ucked up. He did a poor job.

Martinez19:
True. His first post made it sound like he saw, live, a man being shot and the bullets didn't penetrate. I branded him dishonest but his reply to me shows that his first post is an exaggeration of baseless conclusion.