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Xsem:
I have pm you

malvisguy212:
when you say its wrong, is it your instinct that told you it wrong or Because other people say it's wrong ?

malvisguy212:
why? is abortion right or wrong ?

long time Johnny.

raptex:
I became a freethinker(not an atheist) in 2018.

budaatum:
Post, so we can rejoice your freedom from religious slavery with you.

And remember, it's never to late!

malvisguy212:
are you an atheist ?

LordReed:
Only when one is considering absolutes like religious people do. If as you say it is all relative then a utopia that has relatively eliminated evil is a possibility. I don't believe in a heaven concept so I cannot be considering an absolute perfection,

a world like that as johnydon22 has pointed out is a dead one.

gensteejay:
I think OP has done justice to the principle of polarity, which is also related to the principle of correspondence in philosophy.

Good forces will always be balanced by evil forces in our world of duality. Good people, scientists, etc. strive to join the former group and bad ones associate with the latter. It's all a matter of choice, one that comes with consequences.

Recognising the fact that good and bad are relative, and not universal, doesn't mean one should condone evils and not seek ways of eradicating them. But an utopian world, devoid of evils and bad things, is unrealistic and is only attainable in reverie.

Xsem:
I hope beer will not affect that your super brain, because I need you to feed me with some of your knowledge.

Anyways, I am a student in ESUT parklane. I stay there in the dormitory didn't go for Xmas.

Xsem:
Hello Sir John, Happy New Year already.

I learnt that you abide in 042 , please is it possible I get to meet with you?

HellVictorinho:
Are you guys really doing this? "Good" and "Evil" are just words.Reality is a bitch and these arguments can't fix that.

Chidany:
CHECK OUT THIS FACTS

1) The Bible told us that God spoke this world into existence.

2) About 90% of Bible predictions have come to pass in the world's history.

3) About 90% of Jesus predictions about the church and the world has come to pass.

You don't need to argue, just read Matthew 24 and check out what has happened to Christians and the world in history and what is still happening now. Repent and give your life to Christ today, tomorrow maybe too late. And if you claim to be a Christian begin to do all that Jesus has commanded his disciples to do, otherwise you are going to find yourself in hell should you die now.

hahn:
What was your question again?

LordReed:
You are lumping objects with their potential to be misused or to create bad situations. Thats a bad argument. You are saying that because lack exacerbates desire then removing desire gets rid of lack, that is putting the cart before the horse.

How about we remove lack and leave desire intact. Then you are free to have all your desires without lack. That IMO is much better solution than removing desire or any other thing just because it has the potential to be in a bad situation.

Desire and lack are very separate concepts.

Desire is a the longing to fulfil a need or want and even after being fulfilled that desire still potentially exists. Lack is the absence of the object that will fulfill a desire. Desire does not cease even when an abundance of fulfilling objects are present.

One thing is at any particular time in the presence of an abundance of all fulfilling objects not all desires are being fulfilled. For example you have a harem of every type of desirable woman food and drink of every type and taste, entertainment and very other thing you desire. There is no way you will be eating, drinking, watch television, read book, listen to music, have sex, talk to friends, indulge your hobby, etc all at the same time. No matter how many groups of things you do at any moment there others you can't do. Therefore there must remain a desire.

Anoher thing is satisfaction is usually temporary. Nobody remains satisfied forever. Desires are always temporarily satiated.

I posit that if we lived in a universe that did not constantly threaten to annihilate us we would seek other ways to drive ourselves.

Take for example the difference between religious theists and atheists, the former asserts that purpose is to serve a god or gods while the latter denies. Does it mean atheist can no longer find purpose for life because they no longer think worshipping a god is not a purpose they ascribe to?

Any universe into which we evolve will provide its own linchpins for purpose.

This just lumps everything with no regard for discerning what is can be categorized as bad/evil.

Desire is not bad,

temperature difference is not bad,

these are some of the factors that enable one to appreciate things like icecream or a chilled drink. Do you need to taste shit in other to appreciate the taste of icecream?

Evil/bad is NOT necessary,

it forms a part of our experience does not mean we will lose anything substantial if it doesn't exist.

hahn:
It would be evident

hahn:
Ogbeni if there was a supreme we'd know by now

Ranchhoddas:
Santa be praised
I am eager to read your explanation.

HellVictorinho:
Everything is Meaningless!!!! Atheism is what we call 'I don't believe in God'. But I don't really think atheists should even explain their position.Stating it should be enough as they are definitely not scared of the unknown. But theists won't allow them to stop talking about their Gods.I just desire all positives. Even the 'untestable' ones. I am not an atheist/theist/freethinker/agnostic/gnostic/Whatever Humans Practice.......I'm Hell and my intellect burns everyday.Anything that REALLY makes me happy is my stuff.You might hear me saying 'Thank God' or 'Jesus is Lord' but it is for a specific purpose.My Philosophy involves a lot of "Practical Wisdom/Informed Logic-related thoughts".I can't always be what I am and I am always what I can't be.

HellVictorinho:
"Everything is Meaningless" .And the fact that you could think of all these only validates the quoted statement.Why should you be comfortable with negativity?

What caused you to imagine something that only exists in dictionaries(perfection)?

Why do you think you have proved anything? Why do you celebrate the 'possibility of masterminded nonsense'?

LordReed:
When I think of a perfect world this is not what I think about. This world you have imagined is dead, there is nothing but living husks, of course such a world will be purposeless.

I am sleepy right now, I will dissect your world tomorrow and see if we can't reimagine one that is free of bad but yet still lives.

gensteejay:
Interesting.

Gggg102:
OF COURSE TECHNICALLY, CHRISTIANS HAVE FREE WILL, ITS NOT LIKE THEY ARE REMOTE CONTROLLED ROBOT.
HOWEVER, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING THIS WILL, THINGS LOOK DIFFERENT.

LEMME USE THIS HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO BASED ON CHINA'S ONE CHILD POLICY.

CASE 1: CHINA ENCOURAGES THE POLICY, NO REWARDS FOR COMPLIERS AND NO PUNISHMENT FOR NON COMPLIERS. BOTH GROUPS LIVE THEIR NORMAL LIVES IRRESPECTIVE OF CHOICE.

CASE 2: CHINA PROVIDES SCHOLARSHIP AND TAX BREAKS FOR COMPLIERS AND NON COMPLIERS LIVE THEIR NORMAL LIVES. COMPLIERS GET SPECIAL TREATMENT WHILE NON COMPLIERS ARE NOT DENIED THEIR NORMAL LIFE.

CASE 3: CHINA PROVIDES SCHOLARSHIP AND TAX BREAKS FOR COMPLIERS AND NON COMPLIERS ARE JAILED. COMPLIERS GET SPECIAL TREATMENT WHILE NON COMPLIERS ARE DENIED THEIR NORMAL LIVES AND PUNISHED.

1 IS A TRUE DEPICTION OF FREEWILL
2 USES A POSITIVE BLACKMAIL SYSTEM WHICH IS OKAY AS THOSE WHO DO NOT COMPLY DON'T LOSE ANYTHING THEY HAD BY DEFAULT. THOSE WHO COMPLY ARE REWARDED WHICH IS ALSO GOOD.
3 USES NEGATIVE BLACKMAIL WHICH I DON'T FIND OKAY. THOSE WHO DO NOT COMPLY ARE DENIED OF WHAT THEY HAD BY DEFAULT. THIS FORCEFUL.

OPINIONS

gensteejay:
Nice one. Your depth in philosophy (as a field) is commendable. What's your own philosophy? Atheism? Theism? Spinozism?

LordReed:
I think were you make a mistake is in including things like wants and desires in bad.

You have practically constructed a world devoid of feeling literally.

How is cold ie feeling the temperature difference in your environment bad?

How is the desire to have sex or eat bad?

A world devoid of all feeling is a dead world not just a world devoid of bad.

If I was to imagine a world without bad it won't be devoid of desires or feeling.

Martinez19:
Well. It's not apparent, at least to me but when you have time, you can make your case.

Ranchhoddas:
My problem with the atheistic position is that it does not account for the supernatural/paranormal things that happens around us. It simply dismisses, chalks it up as coincidence or outrightly denies them.
This in my view is dishonest.

To the believer, no proof is necessary, to the unbeliever no proof is enough --Thomas Aquinas.

Martinez19:
Necessary? Care to explain please? bad in the world is certainly inevitable but I don't know how it is necessary.

LordReed:
For what exactly? If we lived in a world that didn't have it what would we be missing?

edicied:
The bad in the world is a necessity You have to endure and be a good boy if you wanna make Heaven

LordReed:
Most of them don't even know the definition of atheist talk more of the position. They are taught atheists are satanic and insane so that's all they know of it.