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GeneralShepherd:
I agree with you but where I strongly disagree with atheists is when they proclaim anyone who isn't an atheist as delusional.

There are other rational worldviews that are not atheistic.

Delusion isn't really an insult.

See, there are several beliefs we can possess. Belief can be factually wrong or factually correct.

Factually wrong beliefs are delusions.

No big deal

that is just silly

Lol. Funny but ok.

Nwaikuku2:
But the bible gave a concrete prove on how God created everything on earth with the power of words

This is just nonsense

CoolUsername:
In principle, you should hit back but in practice you'll just end up getting lynched by the white-knight beta cuck squad.

Can a beta male beat an alpha?

Evangkatsoulis:
Simple! See the woman as a weaker guy. Would you hit back at a 5' 7 60kg guy?

in a way you could still do way more damage

Shelumiel:
When a person sees a fool wallowing in his own thoughts , it is best to move on

Ways to avoid the question 101.

raptex:
Nah.... You don't need to. I'll update it later.

Just send it.

HellVictorinho:
Wow,you are defending something you don't believe in an argument (with Lord Reed).
I love that.

wow

HellVictorinho:
And people fail to understand me,too!!!!

shouldn't you then try to eliminate one side of it?

raptex:
I was just going through this forum and found this closed thread created by Limerick.

Link-www-nairaland-com.0.freebasics.com/2353508/atheists-chatroom-discussion-thread-sticky?iorg_service_id_internal=1646953538912597">https://https-www-nairaland-com.0.freebasics.com/2353508/atheists-chatroom-discussion-thread-sticky?iorg_service_id_internal=1646953538912597%3BAfrWBm3GHavnpcn5

I want Limerick to comment on this thread if he's still active on Nairaland.

Send me your number bro

HellVictorinho:
Goodness!!!!
The square of the speed of light is still the speed of light!!!!
Einstein couldn't have disproved that,let alone you.!!!

somehow you don't understand what people say before replying

HellVictorinho:
But you believe in transcendent beings
Yet,the other 'Forms of Existence' apart from the 'Universe' are just matter.
Anyways,Man is matter as well.
If spirits exist,they must be jobless.
As a human, you might wish to have one(afterlife desire).
But what would my spirit be doing as a human spirit that can still remember how he used to be?
Would it enjoy spiritual rice?

No. I didn't imply that i believe in transcendent beings too.

HellVictorinho:
Having read my post about the Timing of Existence, you shouldn't assume that the other Forms of Existence are beings.
They are actually nothing but matter.

I didn't assume anything

HellVictorinho:
Look, the cosmos is not a miracle.
It is actually a Form of Existence.

ok

HellVictorinho:
Stop pretending.
You have mentioned something related to transcending beings.

so? Pretend over what? What the heck are you talking about?

HellVictorinho:
You called the theist/deist gods transcendent beings or something similar to that

Do you know what that means?

HellVictorinho:
Yes,you did.
And don't even try to assume you have the facts.
You are talking about beings somewhere else,yet their activities can't be described by you.
Awesome.

how did i?

HellVictorinho:
Your 4D beings

what

LordReed:
Quite a lot of speculation going on here. You should discuss your ideas with actual cosmologists they may be able to help you refine these ideas better.

I think i resonate with his idea.

I once discussed a concept i referred to as hyperspace and hypertime.

Take for instance: When we are watching a movie, the timer of this movie ticks and the movie plays.

We, the watchers are transcendent to this movie space and time (we are not inside the picture) so, imagine that as a universe.

It is a 2d universe caused inside our 3d universe with it's own time and space totally different from ours.

Our 3d world is transcendent of that 2d realm.

So, I'd imagine that perhaps our own time and space has a beginning but this may probably have occurred inside a much more complex reality. A hyperspace and time that transcends this but this one is contained within.

HellVictorinho:
If you can personify the so-called mastermind, why can't I tell you how it behaves?

Have i? And No. You still can't.

HellVictorinho:
So it is necessary for people to be deformed?

Yes.

LordReed:
Maybe I worded that improperly but the idea is if a transcendental being interacts with this universe then its interactions will necessarily be consistent with reality or else its indistinguishable from a nonexistent god.

Actually No. It still won't be. A 4dimensional being interacting in our 3D realm would be so inconsistent with our reality that we won't even be able describe it. no transcendent being can be consistent with the reality of a dimension it transcends.

HellVictorinho:
What is the being doing now?

I don't know and i don't know if there is one. What sort of question is this?

HellVictorinho:
Do you think what Man is going through is normal ?
It is actually absurd.

No. I think it is necessary

HellVictorinho:
They say it has a sane mind,yet Nature acts like a lunatic.

so, you get to decide whether nature is lunatic or sane? Makes sense.

LordReed:
Why does the god not have characteristics consistent with reality? What persistent, repeatable demonstration of unexplainable event are you referring to?

Actually, a transcendent being cannot be consistent with the reality which it transcends. This is a scientific idea.

That's like asking why a coke doesn't taste like fanta.

Martinez19:
Logical speculations? No way. Let's start with the Abrahamic religions. Unlike the multiverse theory, the proponents of the Abrahamic religions don't present their religions as mere speculations but the absolute truth and when you read their holy books, it's illogical poo from beginning till the end. Illogical poo with no basis in reality.

Deism and other similar religion are more logical. What says you?

I agree that it is silly to assert an absolute truth without absolute proof

HellVictorinho:
Well,the designer has been said to have a mind/brain.
But Reality is bitch.
So,such an artiste must be nuts if this is artwork.
The only proof people have for its existence is the possibility of genetic misdemeanors/biological disasters/natural hazards/hormonal misfortunes, etc.
It allegedly masterminded these things.
But I don't think it is responsible.
You are not convicted until proven guilty.

You have not really given an answer that is reconcilable with the question.

The question is; why do you say this designer must be nuts?

What points to this?

HellVictorinho:
If there is a Designer,he or she or it must be nuts.
But,there can't be one.
Lest,it would have passed out by now.
In fact,he/she/it would be tired of masterminding nonsense.
Or,he/she/it must be thinking of ending the human race.

why do you think the designer must be nuts?

hahn:
Johnydon22 we can add this to the thread

hahaa those ones are idiots

hahn:
Do atheists consult Dawkins before getting married?
Do atheists go to Dawkins for healing when they are sick?
Has any atheist killed a theist because Dawkins said so?
Do atheists put pictures of Dawkins on their walls as protection?
Has any atheist disowned their kids because Dawkins said they are witches?
Do atheists pray to Dawkins so their businesses will grow?

Ideological regurgitation. That's not even remotely close to what i am saying.

Most theists do this. At least a larger proportion than does who don't and those who don't are often regarded as the less faithful ones by other theists.

Do what exactly? To be sure what we are still talking about.

Is that what happened on the other thread?

Interestingly, no theist played that card. If they did, I'd refute it just the same.

Sure go ahead

Perhaps a different thread. A debate thread for you and i specifically?